Joe Cannon wrote:
If you Google "Tim Osman," you will discover that many fringe web sites accept the Osman/Osama identification without question. (Here's an example.) Most of the sites devoted to debunking 9/11 conspiracy lore don't even bother with the Osman allegation. However, this skeptical page confronts the issue head-on, asking some questions which I consider pertinent and sensible.
Where's the evidence? There is a document which allegedly confirms the Osama/Osman identity. I reproduce it here; click to enlarge.
Although certain conspiracists accept the document at face value, its provenance simply cannot be established. We don't know the issuing agency or the purpose of this document. We don't know if it was retrieved under FOIA. We don't know if it was written by a private individual or for an organization. As far as I can tell, we have only this one page -- which is neither the first nor the last. The format of the document makes little sense to me. The text zooms from one topic to another with no rhyme or reason.
In short, this piece of "evidence" proves nothing.
How did this document become known to the public? It comes to us via a couple of notorious figures. I hesitate even to mention their names...
Jailed covert "genius" Michael Riconosciuto and former FBI agent Ted Gunderson.
And that's why I dismissed the "Tim Osman" tale when I first caught wind of it. The claim came out only after 9/11. If Riconosciuto or Gunderson had ever mentioned Osama Bin Laden during (say) the 1987-1997 period, I would have been much more impressed.
Yet now I'm beginning to wonder. Milt Bearden confirmed at least part of the story. Afghans did come to train in the United States -- in the year 1986. The same year figures in Riconosciuto's tale.
Riconosciuto did not mention Nevada (as Bearden did), but he did mention that Osman and his mujahadeen had visited American military bases for training. Moreover, they (supposedly) were trained to use unusual advanced weapons that had never been employed in actual combat conditions. Nevada is, I believe, the likeliest place for that kind of exercise.
Not only that.
At the retrial of Scott Weekly -- remember him? The C4-in-the-luggage-compartment guy? -- his witnesses said that the effort to train the mujahadeen in Nevada was paid for by Stanford Technologies. You might recall that name from Richard Secord's testimony at the Iran-contra hearings. The paymaster was a man named Osman Kalderim, and he seems to have played a role similar to that ascribed to Ralph Olberg. (Whoever he really is.)
"Osman" is an unusual name, at least in America. The overlapping nomenclature does suggest one possible inspiration for the "Tim Osman" pseudonym.
Gunderson said that Olberg ran or worked for a company called Management Science for Health -- MSH. There is a real company by that name. Near as I can tell, it operates in a very above-board and honorable fashion, with no discernible links to world of covert ops. Nobody named Olberg serves on the board of directors or on the management team.
Osman Kalderim -- or Kaldirim -- appears to be a real person. I think it is fair to presume that the man mentioned in this story is same fellow mentioned in the Weekly trial. He is described as a "controversial Turkish businessman," and he seems spookier than the Jersey devil.
Before you say it: There is no need to tell me that this story has problems. I am very aware of the credibility issues surrounding Riconosciuto and Gunderson. I do not trust them. Milt Bearden's blabby interview harmonizes with some of the Riconosciuto/Gunderson information, but not with all of it. Bearden did not address the "Osman" claim.
John DeCamp, Ted Gunderson's former landlord and close personal friend since college years, is the legal advisor the Montana Militia. The gun toting, right wing militia is the common denominator between the Nichols control of the Cabazon, Hughes, G. Wayne Reeder, John Patrick McGuire.
Today, John DeCamp, Attorney and Author of the best seller ‘The Franklin Cover Up’, practises law in Lincoln, Nebraska, raises his children and is extremely active nationwide as Attorney in some of this country’s most famous cases including the Militia cases in Montana, the Oklahoma Bombing, the Gordon Kahl case, Senate hearings on Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Percival wrote:Can we really trust Decamp? I am starting to wonder about a lot of shit now. He has his hands in too many things.
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