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Postby Searcher08 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:21 am

sw wrote:Weak justice. He did enough to look like the saving grace for survivors but he does not possess the drive or persistence of someone who was out to bring true justice.

When I spoke to him, it was like talking to a person who had done their part and had taken the whole thing as far as he was going to. Like a deflated balloon. His words were empty and lacked interest. It's the kind of conversation that delivered a clear message to me that he was not the person to align with at all. Plus, he was really talking up Mark, Cathy O'Brien's handler telling me how great this man was. Hang up and run from that call.


Sorry, sw but I just buy don't that smear speech at all. How are you in a position to know about his drive or persistence? Maybe he was in intense physical pain. Maybe he wanted nothing to do with you because he WAS tired and fed up and drained by the whole thing? Because of all the stuff on RI, Franklin IS probably among the most enervating.

Maybe he was trying to give you a big hint instead of directly saying "No matter how awful your case is, I have no energy for this stuff anymore bye"
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Postby Free » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:27 am

Searcher08 wrote:
Really? What agenda is that?

I think he was a right wing 'Patriot' type with 'old fashioned' spooky connections, very ambitious, big ego, who unexpectedly came across something that caused him to choose between 'justice' and 'career'.

IMHO he choose 'justice'.



Hi Searcher.

I don't know for sure what his true agenda was (and is). It could be like you say and he's doing these things out of some true belief in a right-wing, patriot agenda... as opposed to conscious containment of something that might have the potential to outrage many Americans and incriminate loads of high level pols, spooks, etc.

That said, most career politicians (and some lawyers) are highly verbal, eloquent even, excellent debaters who are very skilled at defending their positions.

When I heard that radio show it really bothered me that, with DeCamp's extensive knowledge of details of the Franklin affair, Bonacci, Caradori, etc, that he just sat there, barely saying anything in the two women's defense, when he had supposedly accompanied them as their advocate.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:27 am

Excellent and timely thread, just found a used 2nd edition of The Franklin Cover-up and I'll be ordering the Bryant once this is done.
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:56 am

From sw's quote of deCamp.


It is not just that Roskens is a personal friend of the President--although he is.... [A]n unimpeded investigation into Roskens could expose the link between Bush's little publicized birth control mania--much of which is carried out through the State Department's AID in the Third World--and the sexual depravity rampant in U.S. political and intelligence elites


I find this little nugget to be rather illuminating. It would seem to imply a rather conservative Catholic(?) agenda, which may reveal more about deCamp than people realize.
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:23 pm

William Colby was considered a very conservative Catholic who was reputed to be a member of Opus Dei, and that in the 1950's, he was a key CIA operative in Rome.

Was this what Colby was looking for when he checking out profiles of recruits in Vietnam?
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Postby Searcher08 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:25 pm

This is a video of deCamp being interviewed in 2007 that covers a lot of the points in this thread.

Interestingly he said that at one point he was addicted to pain killer meds - to the extent that his law firm staff confronted him about it as he was being so flaky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtpZTVKu ... L&index=11

He relaxes as the interview progresses - there are only two subjects that he speaks / treads very carefully about - the first was in connection with Johnny Gosch's father and the second was in connection with Michael Aquino.
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:32 pm

DeCamp makes reference to death row inmate here:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20 ... _abuse.htm

....I had a visitor from the federal public defender’s office in Las Vegas. They called me and said: “I think we have a common interest.” They said: “Well, you know about a place called Boys Town.”

I responded: “You federal prosecutors have been part of the problem, helping to cover up what’s going on there.”

They said, “Would you be willing to meet with us?”

I agreed and they were there the next morning waiting at my office door.

They were representing a fellow named Paine who is on death row in Las Vegas. He had a bad habit of killing taxi drivers. This Paine had a number of brothers and they had all been raised in Boys Town. When Paine was convicted it turned out that, as they explained it to me, he was a multiple personality that was deliberately created.

In other words, someone had used psychiatric techniques and sexual abuse to alter this young man’s mind.

Yes, and this happened at Boys Town. The story he told was that all of these mind control experiments were being carried out.

Now, the first time you hear this, you think, “Oh, they are in la-la land.” However, the federal public defender went on to explain that Paine had revealed to them a host of very serious problems going on at Boys Town. Both he and his brothers had been involved, and Paine’s attorneys wanted me to share with them any information that I had come up with. They are appealing Paine’s death sentence and hope to use this information in the appeal.

The attorneys told me that this boy had another brother, Andre, who lived in Omaha. It turns out that many years before, on the very night the Franklin Credit Union was raided and closed by the federal authorities, he and a group of boys were taken out of Boys Town in the middle of the night and moved to an institution out of state.

I told these federal public defenders, after giving them a copy of my book: “I predict that after you read the book and before we get very far into this case that you will suddenly get intimidated and lose your interest. You’ll find that the FBI was involved in the cover-up of all of this.”

They said, “Oh no, no, no.”

So they lined up the brother, Andre, who is now in his early 20s, to meet with me. Andre told me all of the same things that my previous client, Paul Bonacci, and others had told me. But he had never had any contact with any of them. They had the same stories, the same information, the same people. However, Andre gave me some more information on how organized it was at Georgetown and how he was taken out of Boys Town on a regular basis to participate in sexual parties where they did pornographic films. They would say he was being taken on a visit to his mother, but, in fact, he was not visiting his mother.

It wasn’t 24 hours later I got a call from the kid and he told me that he was heading out of town. The reason why was because the FBI had shown up at the place where he was registered to go to computer school and seized the computers and told them the boy was involved in all kinds of things. He was kicked out of school. The FBI then went to his apartment and scared his landlord into evicting him. And they went to the place where he worked as a clerk and that place fired him.

The kid knew he was in trouble and he said, “If they come after me again, I’m going to kill myself.” But I’ve put this young man in touch via e-mail with Noreen Gosch, whose son Johnny was kidnapped and brought into these sex rings. They’ve been exchanging information.

What’s happened with the federal public defenders representing Andre Paine’s brother?

They stopped contacting me....


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JOHN L. SMITH: Cabbie's killer accepted his fate but still fights

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His name was Kenneth Marcum. He was a 50-year-old Checker Cab driver.

He hadn't been driving a taxi long. The few acquaintances he'd made at the cabstand liked him after just a few months on the job.


You're forgiven for forgetting his name after all these years. Marcum was shot twice in the back of the head on the morning of Jan. 19, 1990. He died a day later. His killers escaped with about $45.

I was reminded of Marcum on Friday after learning that his killer, Frederick Paine, was about to have the latest appeal of his death sentence heard this week in Carson City before the Nevada Supreme Court. Before his original sentencing back in October 1992, Paine told a three-judge panel, "They call me a murderer. It's just a title. It's what's inside your heart. That's what you are. ... One day, this storm will blow over, and I'll still be standing here and still be a caring person. ... I can't express my sorrow for the pain I caused. I'd gladly trade my life for his."

Well, I guess that depends on what your definition of "gladly" is.

Through his court-appointed attorneys, Paine has spent the past 19 years appealing the death sentence he received after he admitted killing Marcum and nearly murdering cabdriver William Walker, whom he shot three times in the back of the head with a cheap .25-caliber pistol during a bloody robbery spree after New Year's in 1990. Paine was joined in his exploits by fellow Boys Town graduate Marvin Doleman, who also received the death penalty.

Blessed with a thick skull, Walker recovered and was able to identify Doleman and Paine as his attackers. He also recalled their laughter as they ran away after robbing and attempting to kill him.

Back at the time of sentencing, we learned that Paine was regularly beaten as a child. He traveled from one foster home to another before ending up at Boys Town, Neb., where witnesses for the defense testified Paine was forced to steal to feed himself and his housemates.

Paine was a decent student and a gifted athlete. He earned a college track scholarship and, despite his nightmarish start in life, had an opportunity to make something of his life.

Instead, as he described it, he fell under the influence of Doleman, his more violent Boys Town running mate. It was Doleman who had talked him into the idea of robbing cabdrivers, Doleman who had dropped the .25 in his lap as the two sat in the backseat of the unsuspecting Marcum's cab.

Doleman was the devil, but Paine did the deed.

The killers were caught within hours of shooting Marcum outside the Viking Villas Apartments at 1503 E. Viking Road.

After Paine's confession, he was interviewed by court-appointed psychologists and psychiatrists. One veteran would write, "His description of the killing is told with little feeling, no remorse, and an acknowledgment that he has no reason to deny anything. ... The affect was memorable only by the lack of appropriateness to the heinous quality of the crimes."

In fact, witnesses testified Paine had laughed after each shooting, according to published reports. Paine and Doleman even found reason to smile during one of their District Court appearances.

Back in 1992, that three-judge death penalty panel deliberated about 10 minutes before determining Paine's fate. When he heard the bad news, Paine was emotionless. He had agreed to plead guilty and had agreed to accept his fate.

But that was then.

All these years later, the state Supreme Court is once again asked to determine whether the District Court wrongly denied his second post-conviction petition for a writ of habeas corpus. That's long hand for his attorney's attempt to have his death sentence reconsidered on procedural grounds.

I could go on for days about the ineffectiveness of the death penalty in our society, but why waste the ink?

Fact is, inside the justice system the death penalty is a game. Advocates on both sides of the complex issue take their place and battle it out daily in courts across the land. They argue the law, the investigative flaws, and the moral questions inherent in the state's decision to take a life.

I prefer to remember Kenneth Marcum, rookie cabdriver, would have turned 69 this year.

John L. Smith's column appears Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. E-mail him at Smith@reviewjournal.com or call (702) 383-0295. He also blogs at lvrj.com/blogs/smith.
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:40 pm

http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab015/ ... Paine.html





The New Abolitionist
May 2000, Issue 15



Looking For A Pen Pal On Death Row
Fredrick Paine



To whom it may concern:

I am writing because I am interested in receiving a pen pal.

I am 29 years old, and I've been on death row for 10 years.

I was born in Daytona Beach, Florida, and I attended high school at Father Flanagan's Boys Home (Boys Town) in Omaha, Nebraska.

From there, I went on to receive an athletic scholarship to a college in Kansas.

It was during this time that I came to Las Vegas to visit a friend and ended up making the greatest mistake of my life.

My interests are reading novels, writing short stories, drawing, and anything that involves sports.

I won't bore you and mention how my family and so-called friends have deserted me through this trying time because that's pretty much a given to anyone who's on death row.

Thank you very much for your assistance and for caring.

Sincerely,

Fredrick Paine, #32945
Ely State Prison
P.O. Box 1989
Ely, NV 89301
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wonder

Postby sw » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:37 pm

Anyone else heard of Operation Baby Lift? I hope it was legit and the kids didn't end up like many of the Omaha kids.


John W. DeCamp- Fluent in six languages and a law school graduate, John DeCamp, a native of Nebraska, went into the Army during the Vietnam War as an infantry captain and was later assigned to serve as a top staff aide to the Deputy U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam, William Colby, who was later named CIA director. Colby remained a close and life long friend of DeCamp. In 1974, during the closing days of the Vietnam War, DeCamp won election to the Nebraska state senate campaigning (while still stationed in Vietnam) on a platform saying that if the U.S. government was not going to permit America's military to win the war, it was time to bring the war to an end. In 1975, DeCamp initiated Operation Baby Lift, which evacuated 2,800 orphaned Vietnamese children to safety. DeCamp served four terms in the state senate where he was described by The Omaha World Herald newspaper as the most powerful and effective member of the legislature. The Associated Press once described DeCamp as one of the 10 most influential people in Nebraska. Since taking on his investigation of the Franklin Savings & Loan debacle and its connection to high-level criminal activity, involving the laundering of funds for the CIA's Iran-contra arms-and-drugs smuggling operation and the sexual abuse of children used to compromise U.S. politicians in Nebraska and Washington, D.C., DeCamp is regularly reviled by the same newspaper that once praised him so thoroughly.



In 1976, the Des Moines Register reported that, "A year after they arrived by the planeload from embattled South Vietnam, hundreds of "Operation Babylift" children remain under a murky legal status in this country. And, more important, the Americans who took the young refugees into their homes still are uncertain about whether the children are really theirs to keep and rear."
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:28 pm

It looks like there were more families who were willing to take the babies in than there were babies.

http://www.adoptvietnam.org/adoption/babylift.htm
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:33 pm

Searcher said:

Sorry, sw but I just buy don't that smear speech at all. How are you in a position to know about his drive or persistence? Maybe he was in intense physical pain. Maybe he wanted nothing to do with you because he WAS tired and fed up and drained by the whole thing? Because of all the stuff on RI, Franklin IS probably among the most enervating.

Maybe he was trying to give you a big hint instead of directly saying "No matter how awful your case is, I have no energy for this stuff anymore bye"


sw's entitled to relay her impression of a first-hand discussion without it being called a smear.
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Postby Searcher08 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:52 pm

This was from Wiki on Operation Babylift

http://www.adoptvietnam.org/adoption/babylift.htm


Sorry, chig and sw, it wasn't intended to be offensive; it wasnt impressions, it was 'mind reading' as to what those impressions meant, which for me is something to be aware of in something as sensitive as Franklin.
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DeCamp

Postby sw » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:01 pm

I wasn't calling DeCamp to ask for his help. I was calling to thank him for his work. I am a big believer in contacting those who have helped me even if it was through writing a book. Just like I had contacted Renee Fredrickson and thanked her for writing her book.

But, when I called DeCamp, it felt weird. Not like he is a perp, just like it was very odd. He talked the most about Mark and how he stayed for a long time at his house because he had no where else to go.

I was just kind of silent during the call with DeCamp talking to me. He said he was sure I was part of it (I don't know why he thought this because I had not talk him any details) and then he ended with telling me to call this specific number and leave my name, phone number and address and he was going to personally send me a free copy of his book signed.

I said,thanks so much and hung up.

The call just did not feel right at all. Maybe it was me, but I felt creeped out by the whole call. Never called the number....
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Re: DeCamp

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:14 pm

sw wrote:I wasn't calling DeCamp to ask for his help. I was calling to thank him for his work. I am a big believer in contacting those who have helped me even if it was through writing a book. Just like I had contacted Renee Fredrickson and thanked her for writing her book.

But, when I called DeCamp, it felt weird. Not like he is a perp, just like it was very odd. He talked the most about Mark and how he stayed for a long time at his house because he had no where else to go.

I was just kind of silent during the call with DeCamp talking to me. He said he was sure I was part of it (I don't know why he thought this because I had not talk him any details) and then he ended with telling me to call this specific number and leave my name, phone number and address and he was going to personally send me a free copy of his book signed.

I said,thanks so much and hung up.

The call just did not feel right at all. Maybe it was me, but I felt creeped out by the whole call. Never called the number....


Thanks for those extra details. I'm wondering if the time you called him may have intersected an episode with his back, or been during his Oxycontin addiction phase? Was this a few years ago?
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paul B.

Postby sw » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:12 pm

Read on Internet that Lawrence King Jr. does in fact work at BMW of Sterling working for Thomas A. Morehead.

Here is a post from Paul Bonacci on a message board where people were asking if Alisha had died. I can only wonder if it was really Paul.





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Paul Bonacci wrote:

First of all yes I am the real Paul Bonacci. I can tell you all Alisha is alive and well. I have had no contact with her well since before the Franklin case. But I have friends who are in regular contact with her.
I can also tell you I do not live in New England, never have never will. I also do not live in Omaha. I do live in Nebraska.
David did call my house, but he sounded a little unstable and I want nothing to do with that. I am doing well and I wish people will remember that my family has nothing to do with this and just leave them out.
I am not a mental case and am not Suffering from the past. I am an over comer, and do not look at myself as a victim. I am not living in fear and I don't dwell on the past. I would rather live in the present and look to the future.
So for all who pity me please don't I am not a child anymore I am a 41 year old Man. I am a husband and father who is enjoying my life that I have made for myself.
As for some thinking I have been paid somehow. I was awarded a Million dollar Judgment against Larry King, yet I have not received a penny of it. If I ever do DeCamp will receive 40% and any amount I would receive will go toward starting a Foundation to help abused kids.
As for Johny he is an adult and from every contact I have had wants to live his life FREE from any circus that his life would become if he was to come out of hiding.
I realize some of you may doubt that I am really Paul. I can tell you that Nick Bryant is a good friend and could verify what I say. Also his book is coming out the Beginning of April as his lawyers are going through the thousands of documents provided to him. It is not a conspiracy as to why it is taking so long to come out. After he was almost finished gathering information. More people decided to come out and talk for the first time. That of course pushed the book back. Also this book was not an easy thing to write. Nick said it is a very dark book and mentally challenging to him personally. My wife who is in frequent contact with him said on numerous occasions that Nick sounds very depressed with all this information.
I have laughed at many of these post as some people seem to think of us as still kids when we are all hitting middle age. If Johny wants to come out some day he will. Nothing these post say will convince him to come out.
One other note the Jimmy Gibson that was busted for cocaine was a different guy. I never knew what to think of Jimmy as I did not know him very well. And was warned by some of my friends to keep my distance.
If you have any questions for me I will answer them if I deem them serious questions.

Note from sw: here is site where I found this discussion:

http://www.franklinfiles.net/index.spar ... D=24231847
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