Percival wrote:Several people have mentioned the word 'evidence' and just to be clear and have a record of such here in this thread would anyone mind listing what they feel is actual evidence presented in the Bryant book, that proves the existence of the child-sex ring?
\sw wrote:I would say all the jets were chartered jets.
I don't know why Omaha is such a hub. I've wondered that for awhile now.
None of the kids would talk on the planes. It was like zombieville. Tranced out. No one used the bathroom either. I'm guessing that they were told as I was told that the plane bathrooms were dangerous as in if you fell into the toilet, you'd get sucked out of the plane. I fully believed this too. That toilet noise scared the hell out of me even as a result even to adulthood.
I would pray for the plane to crash so we'd die, but that never happened.
The B.Grove was scary too. They'd put us in these very poorly put together wooden boxes that were supposed to look like coffins but they didn't. They put the kids in the "coffins" and then put the "coffins" on this big cart that I think might have been horse drawn. Maybe six or eight coffins per load. They were not double stacked. It was really late at night in the forest and they's cart us to the outer circle of the bon fire which was near the owl. They men were drunk and dancing and smelled of really bad vomit and Body odor. B.O. to this day is a really bad trigger for me.
They would have us kids set back from the bon fire kind of in the dark shadows. The men would pick which service station they wanted based on which kid they wanted to rape. I remember being on my back on what I think was a picnic table being raped. They men were in line waiting. A boy part was made being put in the coffin, a girl part was made during the rape and I think another kid part was made after the rape. It took me awhile to get the whole memory because each part only held a segment. There were all white men, no black men there. Bodyguards who looked like SS were on the very outer perimeter.
At a different event on a different date or year, they were doing a ritual at the owl. That is were I saw what I thought was a little boy being sacrificed by Kissinger who was in a robe doing all the altar stuff like in church. I felt guilty because I was relieved that the kid picked for the owl altar was not me. That kid never moved so my therapist said he was probably drugged and they fake killed him.
One time they took as out to a desert area that I later believe to be the China Lake area. It was really strange. It was hills, desert area. There was this half basketball court. They had driven us out in a van and we were made to play basketball with another group of kids. We only played for about 10 minutes when they stopped the game, took the other team of about six players and put them in another white van. They drove the other team away with all of us just watching. The van drove to a nearby cliff and then pitched the kids off the cliff to their deaths. They told us those kids were killed because they did not follow the rules. We were terrified. As I related this to my therapist, she asked if I ever lost site of the van and I said yes. The van had gone on a turn and then I saw it again on top of the hill. She asked if I saw the kids being thrown off up close and I said well they were wearing the same colored jerseys, it had to be them. She asked me if they were moving or screaming and I said no. I was really getting mad because she was acting like she did not believe me and I was sure they chunked those kids off the cliff. As we went through it , I realized my therapist was right. They must have had another van out there with dummies dressed in those colored jerseys because she was right, there was not movement or screams. So we were tricked into thinking they killed all of those kids.
I always did everything I was told not because I thought they'd kill me so much as they said if I didn't do it, they'd go after my sister and my little brother. That's why I get kind of mad at my family. I did a lot just to protect my siblings and they don't even believe me.
lightningBugout wrote:Percival wrote:Several people have mentioned the word 'evidence' and just to be clear and have a record of such here in this thread would anyone mind listing what they feel is actual evidence presented in the Bryant book, that proves the existence of the child-sex ring?
Perc, I find that request pretty tough. The details of the case are very complicated. Which is not to say the evidence is any less striking. I wouldn't know where to begin. And I'm not sure an evidence list can really be successfully isolated from the book. Or at least not without creating a series of hierarchical connection diagrams that would be equally as labor-intensive to comprehend as the book.
If others feel differently, maybe it would make sense to create a new thread in the data dump solely for that purpose. I'm picturing well over a thousand posts to get the basics down.
Oh I understand what youre saying, I just hoped we could all come up with a list of actual evidence that points to and proves these events happened aside from the actual witness testimonies that fill Bryants and DeCamps books.
Can you clarify something, if you don't mind -- have you read (completed) the book? Because this characterization is incorrect in my opinion. Nick uses a great deal of victim interview material but he does so in a way that is fundamentally legalistic. And I don't think it fills the book.
I appreciate your interest in a legal case but just want to make clear -- if you have yet to read the book, I think you will be pleasantly blown away. It is about as close to a slam-dunk as it could be. That said, I'm looking forward to finding its weaknesses because it will prepare myself and others to defend it carefully, anticipating the angle critics (and worse) will try to use against it.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:working backwards to prepare for a backlash does make a lot of strategic sense...assuming the goal is promoting this to a broader audience and making some noise about it's contents.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:It's worth noting, in terms of the turn this thread has taken, and the other one which was locked, that once this book gains media traction, most of the critics dismissing it will have never read it.
Perhaps RI is not the forum for actual "e-activism" organization, and perhaps it's not our "job" to be defending and promoting Bryant's work, but working backwards to prepare for a backlash does make a lot of strategic sense...assuming the goal is promoting this to a broader audience and making some noise about it's contents.
I am interested in real hard hitting investigative journalism that requires taking a look at both sides, ARGUING to the EXTREME in favor of each side then sitting back and taking a closer look at what you came up with. This pussyfoot shit around here lately where we all have to watch what we say for fear we might offend is just ridiculous and there is nothing rigorous at all about it. If you want to ARM YOURSELF to fight the critics who will soon be rearing their heads and showing their ugly faces and chanting 'carefully crafted hoax' then you need to look closer at that side of the argument and lay it all out there for them to see and show them how such a conclusion is flawed.
None of this has anything to do with Bryant's work and I wasnt suggesting his research was flawed I simply wanted to look more closely at how that GJ came to the conclusion that it was a carefully crafted hoax and I wanted to use our RI collaborative research efforts to lay that case out there for all to see.
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