Finders again....

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Finders again....

Postby Dreams End » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:36 am

I thought that it might be of interest to revisit this likely pseudonymous post about the "Finders" a US intelligence "cult" which also seemingly ran a fairly sophisticated child procurement operation. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Finders cult group has moved to Taiwan, the Taipei group is run an American Journalist who had researched them in the 1990's and became a convert.The group is expanding in Taipei now.They have affiliated themselves with orphanages.The American journalist tried to set up a branch of the Finders in Korea but was expelled in 1997 by Korean police under a cloud of accusations that he had undressed pre schoolers in his care and photographed them naked.There was no evidence found in his apartment or on his laptop but he was promtly deported and moved to Taipei. He is involved in efforts to smear various anti pedophilia groups using his status as a journalist. He claims that a friend of his,ex New Zealand Police Officer, Graham Cleghorn, was set up by anti pedophila groups in Cambodia.Cleghorn was jailed in Cambodia earlier this year.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It was posted <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/17342/index.php">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> at the Indymedia site in New Zealand. I found the link on Kathy Sullivan's site. <br><br>I admit, the reason I looked it up is because originally I remembered incorrectly....thinking they'd moved to Thailand and so I was thinking about JohnBenet Karr...err, John Mark Karr.<br><br>However, it is still of interest, especially a new little discovery. Two of the "former finders" including one with whom I've actually corresponded, did write for some innocuous looking Japanese Magazine (all this in the data dump under Finders). <br><br>anyway, I looked up "Graham Cleghorn" thinking there would be some news articles about him. But the first site I got to was <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~41~page_num~17.html">here.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> It is a site purporting to be written by fourteen different writers (anonymous) called "Inquisition 21st Century". It does that little dancing act that I've seen before at saying child porn is not a big problem AND that it should be legal anyway....probably over simplifying a bit as I just found the site, but that would sum it up. And they are receiving letters from Cleghorn as he languishes in prison:<br><br>I have to go at the moment. Cleghorn could have been set up for all I know. We know that Thailand is a center of the sex trade, including of underage kids...it just seems NO ONE actually runs the sex trade...guess they are all "freelancing" or in the parlance of 21st Century US, "independent contractors." <br><br>The info on Cleghorn came via Swiss Hotelier Rudolf Knuchel, also falsely accused in Cambodia...so it claims.<br><br>Others should check this site out...I feel certain it is significant. May have nothing to do with John Mark, but I bet anything our Finder "convert" (I'll find his name later, I actually sent him an email as he is actively writing for an Asian online magazine...no response, of course) is one of the writers.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finders again....

Postby Dreams End » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:13 pm

The website above is by "Brian Rothery". He has his own domain, Rothery.com which gets you to a Ireland/Chinese cultural sharing/business networking site.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rothery.com/">rothery.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Brian Rothery is public affairs manager for Ireland's Science and Technology Agency. He is the author of The Art of Systems Analysis, The Myth of the Computer, and Survival by Competence.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>says <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.tomkins.org/store/category.aspx?id=5">this blurb</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> about a book he wrote the forward to. <br><br>The Inquisition21 makes a PR decision that is second only to Ralph Underwager's interview with Paedika (sp?...a pro-pedo journal) which got him booted off of the FMSF Board (still a member though, I believe.) Inquisition21 makes an eloquent case about how several men have been convicted falsely in Cambodia on child sex charges. How odd, then, they also choose to feature all sorts of books in their online bookstore that have images of nude teen and pre-teen girls. These are books by Jock Sturges, David Hamilton, etc. One can make a case that these aren't porn, but it seems a questionable tactic to feature them on sale on a site claiming that people are being framed for having this sort of material.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,63391-2,00.html">Wired Magazine</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> mentions Rothery, who has come to the defense of someone who had child porn found on his computer. Rothery says the browser was likely "hijacked" and the porn placed there unknowingly. This is entirely possible...if not careful, you might not only have such content but, to the point of why it's on there in the first place, you may have your computer turned into a little server, sending the stuff back out.<br><br>So any Irish around here know anything about Rothery? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finders again....

Postby Dreams End » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:29 pm

This may be a bit of "free association" for those not familiar with the Finders. Read the data dump on the Finders. I found it interesting that this guy, who develops export business for Ireland and specifically has an organization to foster business relationships with China has a website defending those accused of child sex charges as well as a defense of such behavior.<br><br>Customs officials who raided the Finders found instructions about moving children, seemingly for "sale" and specifically from Hong Kong. The Chinese Embassy was also mentioned, so you see why I found this link significant. <br><br>Here is Rothery, in an official capacity developing trade with Asia and also Rothery defending child sex perps (allegedly...can't claim I know for a fact they WEREN'T set up) in ASIA. <br><br>I can't connect Rothery to the Finders themselves, obviously, but it is of interest for sure. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finders again....

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:20 pm

Thanks for all that, DE. Those look like significant associations you're making, whether they're "free" or not.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finders again....

Postby Dick Decent » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:47 pm

Fantastic work DE<br>Cap doffed<br><br>D x <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finders again....

Postby Dreams End » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:49 pm

One "ex" finder, Steven T. usdin has written a book. Here's an excerpt from a talk he gave about how he got into writing it (about an alleged Russian Spy in the "Rosenberg Spy ring". <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My first step toward this podium was a meeting in September 1990 in Moscow with an American investment banker. I was visiting Moscow researching articles on Soviet technology and he was doing tech transfer deals. When I asked him for referrals to Russians with promising technology he suggested that return the next day to meet an engineer named Joseph Berg, a Russian, he said, who spoke flawless English and had invented a novel technology for small-scale custom integrated circuit manufacturing.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.raleighspyconference.com/news/news_11-17-05.aspx">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>When the Finders were busted in '87, says the Customs Officer report:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The State Department in turn, advised the MPD that all travel and use of the passports by the holders of the passports was within the law and no action would be taken. This included travel to Moscow, North Korea, and North Vietnam from the late 1950s to mid 1970s. The individual further advised me of circumstances which indicated the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD report has been classified SECRET and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counter Intelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired. No further information will be available. No further action will be taken.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/10/phantoms-daemons-and-finders.html">link (a Jeff post)</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>So clearly, these guys were doing intel work waaaay back in the fifties and in fact, Pettie, the founder says:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Going back to World War II, I kept open house mainly to intelligence people in Washington. OSS people passing through, things like that.” Pettie was not, mind you, an intelligence asset himself. In fact, he has spent his entire life serving as a counter-spy. As a private citizen, he has taken on the job of monitoring the agency. As for his wife, Pettie claims that he sent her “in as a spy, to spy on the CIA for me. She was very happy about it, happy to tell me everything she found out. She was in a key place, you know with the records, and she could find out things for me.” Presumably, the same applies to Pettie’s son.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Pedophocracy/child_sexual_abuse_and_the_CIA.htm">quoted in McGowan's "pedophocracy" from "Steamshovel Press"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Well, that's finders stuff. My idea is that these guys are part of the same network...but who knows..... <p></p><i></i>
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Found this mining the web

Postby FailureToThrive » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:12 am

First time poster here but I thought I would share something I just found on the net.<br><br>by Daniel Brandt<br>"Finders": Kooks or Spooks<br>Wed Mar 8, 2006 14:08<br><br><br>"Finders": Kooks or Spooks?<br><br>by Daniel Brandt<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.namebase.org/news05.html">www.namebase.org/news05.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>In August 1984, two twenty-something young men wearing ties knocked on my door and gave their names: Steve Usdin and Jeff Ubois. A tiny newsletter had mentioned the database I was developing, and they were interested. They began pumping me on my activities and associates, and took notes. Their questions reflected a familiarity with obscure leftist personalities and publications that is found only among seasoned activists, and even more curiously, they expressed no politics of their own. Usdin and Ubois had to be "sent men."<br><br>But they wanted to be helpful. My own attempts to interest progressives in my project had been met with quizzical looks, because at the time most leftists were still using typewriters. These two fellows at least knew all about microcomputing. So I rewarded them with the first edition of what today is called NameBase. At the same time I mentioned that I needed the IBM BASIC compiler to get the program transferred from CP/M, and a few weeks later they came by with just what I needed, complete with a photocopied manual in a binder. I probably should have asked them for new computers and an office.<br><br>They said their group went by the name of "Information Bank," and they wanted to approach certain organizations in the Washington DC area and volunteer their technical skills. The following June I visited their warehouse headquarters and met Randolph A. Winn and Robert M. Meyer. I asked questions about who or what was behind it all, but their answers were evasive. From their perspective, I was a potential recruit.<br><br>In July 1985 I got a call from Kris Jacobs, a DC activist who did research on the right-wing. She said that Ubois was caught looking in her office files, and when she confronted him, he claimed to be from the National Journalism Center. Since NJC is a right-wing group that was then doing research on the left, his answer didn't pacify her. Ubois had been dropping my name to talk his way into certain places, so Ms. Jacobs wasn't happy with my excuses either. I alerted two other organizations who were getting assistance from the Information Bank. The next time Ubois came over in early 1986, I casually brought up the name "National Journalism Center" in a different context, and asked him if he had ever heard of it. "Nope." That's when I opened my own file on the Information Bank.<br><br>Louis Wolf helped me check crisscross directories and we visited the recorder of deeds. Several group names were listed under each address, and the two properties we knew about were both in the name of Robert G. Terrell, Jr. While returning from the recorder of deeds office, cross my heart, we spotted Usdin walking with an older man. He didn't see us so we followed them on foot for about two miles like Keystone Kops (they kept stopping at store windows), but eventually lost them. Sometime later Ubois dropped in on Wolf (they never call ahead) and whipped out a business card that read "Hong Kong Business Today." He wanted to know how to get a visa for Vietnam. It was clear by then that most group members were world-class travelers, which included travel to numerous Eastern Bloc countries. It was all a game to them. This was a small group -- perhaps 40 adults -- but they had no visible income to support their far-flung activities.<br><br>In February 1987, two young men from the group were arrested in Tallahassee, Florida because the van they were driving contained six children with dirty faces. The term "child abuse" was trumpeted in all of the media, all over the country, for several days. Customs, the FBI, and DC police raided three group properties and made off with their files and computers. The group (it was a "cult" to the media) was called the "Finders" (years earlier they had been known as the "Seekers"), and it was run by Marion David Pettie, then 67 years old. At least now I knew who the older man was and I had another name for the group. No charges were filed and the children were soon returned to their mothers in the group. After realizing that they had been feeding on a nonstory, the media suddenly dropped everything with no apologies. I called the Washington Post city desk at the height of the hysteria and explained that there was another angle, but when their reporter called back he was only being polite.<br><br>Three years later I obtained a three-page nongovernment memo of undetermined origin that summarizes Pettie's intelligence links. Most of it seems to check out. According to this memo, Pettie began his career with assorted OSS contacts, served as a chauffeur to General Ira Eaker, became a protege of Charles Marsh (an intimate of FDR and LBJ who ran his own private intelligence network), and was trained in counterintelligence in Baltimore and Frankfurt, Germany. His wife worked for the CIA, and Pettie himself was run by Col. Leonard N. Weigner (whose September 1990 Washington Post obituary confirms that his career was spent in air force intelligence and the CIA). Pettie's case officer was Major George Varga, who relayed Weigner's instructions until Varga died in the 1970s. The memo says that on Weigner's advice Pettie resigned from the military and surrounded himself with "kooks" so that he could infiltrate the "beat," human potential, and now the New Age movements.<br><br>Okay, so file this memo under "P" for "Paranoia." Except that in December 1993, first the Washington Times (which was picked up by AP), and then U.S. News and World Report, both carried essentially the same story. It seems that the Finders investigation was stopped cold shortly after it started in 1987, and now the Justice Department has formed a task force to figure out what's going on. Why was it stopped? This is from an internal "Memo to File" written by a Customs agent who participated in the raids, dated 13 April 1987:<br><br>CIA made one contact and admitted to owning the Finders organization ...but that it had "gone bad." ... [I was advised] the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD [DC police] report has been classified Secret and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counterintelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired. No further information will be available. No further action will be taken. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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