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Postby Dreams End » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:21 pm

Thought I'd start a separate thread on this. someone asked about the Finders. <br><br>Now THERE is a rabbit hole. I don't have time to post all that I've learned...you can find info in Dave McGowan's book called Programmed to Kill and there is SOME info on the internet, but I wanted to relay a bizarre discovery.<br><br>Someone asked about the new community founded by Pettie's "wife" or "daughter". Here's an article about it:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=257">www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=257</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Now go read it. Pay attention to the name of the person who wrote it, Kristin K. Nauth. I wrote her to ask about it as I was doing some research and she basically just invited me to come and visit.<br><br>Then I got the longest article in the press about them, written in a DC weekly called the City Paper. The author, Jon Cohen, was kind enough to send me a copy since it isn't archived online. It goes into lots of details, though leaves out important stuff...but that's for a later post.<br><br>In any event, some kids were found being transported by the two men stopped by police in Florida. The kids were dirty and ill-kempt and initial reports indicated possible sexual abuse but this was later denied. This led to the whole Finders investigation. <br><br>One of the women whose kid was there was Finder member, Kristin Knauth. Oh, you clever readers...you noticed the similarity to the name of the writer of the article in the link. <br><br>I wrote her to ask about it. Unfortunately I have lost all the emails in a computer snafu. Basically, I said, hey, you said you "knew a little about the Finders," not that you used to be one!<br><br>She wrote back...GOD I'm sorry I don't have that email anymore....in a sort of poem that sometimes she goes by Kristin Knauth, sometimes by Kristin K. Nauth and sometimes by Merrie Shaker Pettie. Yep, she's not his daughter or wife, she's a fictional creation of or alternate personality of (K)Nauth. Now, I have no way to prove this, even if I did have the emails, because I could have made it up...but maybe you can track her down and write her yourself. All my links went away with the email and I haven't tried to recreate them, but there are a few references to be found, fairly innocuous mostly, and through one of them I found an email address. It's an unusual name, whichever way you spell it, so you'll know you've got the right one.<br><br>She and another former finder are both doing "futurist" type work and there is a company that has one of the former finders rather high up in it, though I can't prove or even speculate whether that implies a greater connection or not. If people are interested I'll try to recreate some of the research I did, but it may take awhile as I think I just googled on every name in the article.<br><br>Here's how she bills herself at the end of one article:<br><br>Kristin K. Nauth, a Washington, D.C.-based specialist in intelligence/counterintelligence reporting and future studies, has contributed articles to numerous business, technology and policy publications. <br><br>Here's the article for those interested:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.topsecretnet.com/knowmag.htm">www.topsecretnet.com/knowmag.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It's an article about balancing information sharing with security in the intelligence community.<br><br>Here's another article by her at something called "Knowledge Management" magazine and I think I see another familiar Finder's Name there...have to look into it all later.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.kmmag.com/articles/default.asp?ArticleID=512">www.kmmag.com/articles/de...icleID=512</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The Finders, you'll remember, when not slaughtering goats for fun with their children did all kinds of computer tech and information gathering work. It was all just a "game", of course, and rumors of intelligence connections are greatly exaggerated. More later.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finders

Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:29 pm

I started looking into them in early 90s, after an anonymous source emailed me (on Compuserve) and told me to "look into the Finders."<br><br>Out of all the topics I've ever researched, the Finders remains one of the most unsettling. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Dreams End » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:47 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>an anonymous source emailed me (on Compuserve) and told me to "look into the Finders."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'll bet you my lunch money it was one of the Finders themselves...serious game players. <p></p><i></i>
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Boy, do I feel like an idiot

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:52 pm

I just started a thread asking for a Finders data dump before seeing this one. Thanks for it, Dreams End.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Boy, do I feel like an idiot

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:55 pm

Arrrrgh. I just spent over an hour transcribing from the documents I had saved from Stew Webb's site years ago, which have been sitting in my photo file--saved there so I can enlarge to enable reading. Then along comes the fricking electic comepany, shuts off my electricty to put in a new meter, and I lost it. Will try to get it done again. VERY^interesting stuff. Police reports from Talahassee. <p></p><i></i>
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bad stuff....

Postby zangtang » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:02 pm

copy that professorpan - i was going to add on the original thread - in all my truffling, i've yet to feel as chilled and depressed as the finders story - particularly the way the investigating police are told to just drop it - its when you realise 'oh god this shit is REAL' - then you feel very cold all of a sudden..... <p></p><i></i>
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"its when you realise 'oh god this shit is REAL'"

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:27 pm

And what an absolutely horrifying feeling that is. It's the dread that makes you wish sometimes you never began this journey.<br><br>The Finders is one of those stories that did it for me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "its when you realise 'oh god this shit is REAL'&qu

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:43 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stewwebb.com">www.stewwebb.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Hope those documents are still on his site. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "its when you realise 'oh god this shit is REAL'&am

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:50 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stewwebb.com/Finders%20Through%20a%20glass%20very%20darkly">www.stewwebb.com/Finders%...y%20darkly</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Ted the dog » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:09 pm

Wow, Dreamsend...that's insane! thanks a lot for posting all that info. I'm saving it for later. <p></p><i></i>
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US Customs Service documents re the Finders

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:35 pm

From <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.kathleen-sullivan.com/Finders%20Part%20II.htm" target="top">Kathleen Sullivan's site</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br>Document #1<br><br>REPORT NUMBER 1, PAGE 1 OF 3 To: Resident Agent in Charge Date: 021287 From: Special Agent Subject: Finders <br><br>This office was contacted by the Tallahassee Police Department on February 5, 1987, who requested assistance in attempting to identify two adult males and six minor children, all taken into custody the previous day. The men, arrested and charged with multiple counts of child abuse, were being very evasive with police in the questions being asked of them pursuant the children and their condition. This agent contacted SS/A, [deleted], RAC/Reston, Virginia, and requested telephone numbers and names of police persons in area police departments in an attempt to follow-up on two leads which were a Virginia license number and that the children had commented about living in a Washington, D.C., commune. Subsequently, this office received a telephone call from the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department inquiring about the men and children. This office put the MPD and the TPD in contact with each other. PAGE 2 OF 3 DETAILS OF INVESTIGATION: On Thursday, February 5, 1987, this office was contacted via telephone by sergeant, [deleted] of the Tallahassee Police Department, Juvenile Division. Sgt. [deleted] requested assistance in identifying two adult males and six minor children ages 7 years to 2 years. The adult males were tentatively identified by TPD as Michael HOULIHAN and Douglas AMMERMAN, both of Washington, D.C., who were arrested the previous day on charges of child abuse. The police had received an anonymous telephone call relative two well-dressed white men wearing suits and ties in Myers Park, (Tallahassee), apparently watching six dirty and unkempt children in the playground area. HOULIHAN and AMMERMAN were near a 1980 Blue Dodge van bearing Virginia license number XHW-557, the inside of which was later described as foul-smelling filled with maps, books, letters, with a mattress situated to the rear of the van which appeared as if it were used as a bed, and the overall appearance of the van gave the impression that all eight persons were living in it. The children were covered with insect bites, were very dirty, most of the children were not wearing underwear and all of the children had not been bathed in many days. The men were arrested and charged with multiple counts of child abuse and lodged in the Leon County Jail. Once in custody the men were somewhat evasive in their answers to the police regarding the children and stated only that they both were the children's teachers and that all were enroute to Mexico to establish a school for brilliant children. The children tentatively were identified as Mary HOULIHAN, white female, age 7; Max LIVINGSTON, white male, age 6; Benjamin FRANKLIN, white male, age 4; HoneyBee EVANS, white female, age 3; B.B., white male, age 2; and that they lived in tents in a commune in the Washington, D.C., area and were going to Mexico to go to a school for smart kids. This office contacted the Office of the RAC/DC and spoke with SS/A, [deleted]. This agent requested telephone numbers and names of police persons in area departments that might be aware of said activities described by the children and to follow-up on leads which were the Virginia license number and a check on the men's names with local law enforcement. PAGE 3 OF 3 A short time later this office was contacted by Detective, [deleted] of the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department. [deleted] indicated that the case here in Tallahassee appeared to be strongly related to a case he was currently working in the Washington, D.C. area. He stated that the actions of the two men in custody in Tallahassee relative the children just might give his case enough probable cause for search warrants to search premises occupied by a cult group called the FINDERS. This agent directed [deleted] to telephone TPD and discuss with police directly any activities forthcoming relative the instant case. At this time it was determined that there was no Customs violations found to exist and therefore, this case is being closed pending receipt of additional information. ACTION TO BE TAKEN BY LESD/TECS: Create a permanent DRR/TECS record. IDENTIFYING DATA/TECS-FIN QUERIES: AMMERMAN, Douglas Edward SUBSTANTIATED NCIC: Negative (CF-23B attached) TECS: " CMIR: " CTR : " FBA : " PAIRS: Negative HOWELL, James Michael SUBSTANTIATED NCIC: Negative (CF-23B attached) TECS: " CMIR: " CTR : " FBA : " PAIRS: Negative "FINDERS" ALLEGED NCIC: Negative (CF-23B attached) TECS: " CMIR: " CTR : " FBA : " PAIRS: Negative <br><br>Document #2<br><br>MEMO TO FILE To: Resident Agent in Charge Date: 02/07/87 From: Special Agent Subject: Customs cooperation/interest in Tallahassee/Washington MPD child abuse investigation. <br><br>On Thursday, 2/5/87, the duty agent, SS/A [deleted], received a call from SS/A [deleted], USCS, Tallahassee, Florida. SS/A [deleted] was seeking assistance in contacting an appropriate local police agency to coordinate a child abuse investigation in with the Tallahassee Police Department. SS/A [deleted] further requested assistance in checking some names, addresses and a vehicle through the Customs Child Pornography Unit data base, and stated there was some suspicion of the subjects being involved in supplying children for the production of child pornography. Further, he was informed by the Tallahassee Police Department that the children may have been enroute to Mexico from the Washington, D.C. area. The possibility of Customs interest in the investigation due to possible violations of the Child Protection Act of 1984, and the alleged nexus with the U.S./Mexican Border were discussed and agreed upon. SS/A [deleted] related the following background information. SS/A [deleted] was contacted by the Tallahassee Police Department for assistance in identifying six children and two adults taken into custody in the Tallahassee area. U.S. Customs was contacted because the police officers involved suspected the adults of being involved in child pornography and knew the Customs Service to have a network of child pornography investigators, and of the existence of the Child Pornography and Protection Unit. SS/A [deleted] stated the two adults were well dressed white males. They had custody of six white children (boys and girls), ages three to six years. The children were observed to be poorly dressed, bruised, dirty, and behaving like wild animals in a public park in Tallahassee. The police were notified by a concerned citizen and all eight persons were taken into custody. The subjects were living out of a white 1979 Dodge van, Virginia license no. XHW 557. Upon being taken into custody, the adult white males refused to cooperate, one of whom produced a "business" card with a name on one side and a statement on the other. The statement indicated that the bearer knew his constitutional rights to remain silent and that he intended to do so. Upon interviewing the children, the police officers found that they could not adequately identify themselves or their custodians. Further, they stated that they were enroute to Mexico to attend a school for "smart kids." SS/A [deleted] was further advised the children were unaware of the function and purpose of telephones, televisions and toilets, and that the children had stated they were not allowed to live indoors and were only given food as a reward. After receiving the request from Tallahassee, SS/A [deleted] contacted me while I was on official business at Customs Headquarters. He requested that I conduct computer checks on the Customs Child Pornography Unit data base. The checks were to be conducted on the names, addresses, and a vehicle provided by SS/A [deleted]. After conducting the computer checks, I made direct contact with SS/A [deleted] to inform him that all the checks were negative. At that time I was informed by SS/A [deleted] that the Tallahassee police had discovered large quantities of records, to include computer discs and a U.S. passport in the van. From some of these records the police had obtained tentative identification of the two adults, and partial identification of the children. Furthermore, the two Washington, D.C. addresses had been discovered through these documents, one of which was verified through the vehicle registration. I advised SS/A [deleted] I was leaving Headquarters and he would be receiving a response to the remainder of his request from SS/A [deleted]. I then left as stated and proceeded to conduct other business in the District. A short time later, at approximately 11:30 a.m., SS/A [deleted] contacted me by radio, and advised me that a Detective [deleted] of the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) was interested in the information provided by SS/A [deleted], was in contact with Tallahassee, and would very probably be conducting search warrants in the area later in the day. He also informed me that U.S. Customs was invited to participate due to the continuing possibility of violations of law enforced by the Customs Service. As I was already in Washington, I terminated my other business and proceeded to make contact with Detective [deleted], Intelligence Division, MPD. Upon contacting Detective [deleted], I learned that he had initiated an investigation on the two addresses provided by the Tallahassee Police Dept. during December of 1986. An informant had given him information regarding a cult, known as the "Finders" operating various businesses out of a warehouse located at 1307 4th St., N.E., and were supposed to be housing children at 3918/3920 W St., N.W. The information was specific in describing "blood rituals" and sexual orgies involving children, and an as yet unsolved murder in which the Finders may be involved. With the information provided by the informant, Detective [deleted] was able to match some of the children in Tallahassee with names of children known alleged to be in the custody of the Finders. Furthermore, [deleted] was able to match the tentative ID of the adults with known members of the Finders. I stood by while [deleted] consulted with AUSA [deleted] and obtained search warrants for the two premises. I advised acting RAC SS/A [deleted] of my intention to accompany MPD on the execution of the warrants, and received his permission, and was joined by SS/A [deleted]. SS/A [deleted] accompanied the team which went to 1307 4th St, and I went to 3918/20 W St. During the execution of the warrant at 3918/20 W St., I was able to observe and access the entire building. I saw large quantities of children's clothing and toys. The clothing consisting of diapers and clothes in the toddler to preschool range. No children were found on the premises. There were several subjects on the premises. Only one was deemed to be connected with the Finders. The rest were renting living space from this individual. He was identified as Stuart Miles SILVERSTONE, DOB/061941, U.S. Passport No. 010958991. SILVERSTONE was located in a room equipped with several computers, printers, and numerous documents. Cursory examination of the documents revealed detailed instructions for obtaining children for unspecified purposes. The instructions included the impregnation of female members of the community known as the Finders, purchasing children, trading, and kidnapping. There were telex messages using MCI account numbers between a computer terminal believed to be located in the same room, and others located across the country and in foreign locations. One such telex specifically ordered the purchase of two children in Hong Kong to be arranged through a contact in the Chinese Embassy there. Another telex expressed interest in "bank secrecy" situations. Other documents identified interests in high-tech transfers to the United Kingdom, numerous properties under the control of the Finders, a keen interest in terrorism, explosives, and the evasion of law enforcement. Also found in the "computer room" was a detailed summary of the events surrounding the arrest and taking into custody of the two adults and six children in Tallahassee the previous night. There were also a set of instructions which appeared to be broadcast via a computer network which advised the participants to move "the children" and keep them moving through different jurisdictions, and instructions on how to avoid police attention. One of the residents was identified as a Chinese National. Due to the telex discovered referencing the Chinese Embassy in Hong Kong, he was fully identified for future reference: WANG/Gengxin, DOB/092747, POB/Tianjin, People's Republic of China Passport No. 324999, entered the U.S. on January 22, 1987, admitted until December 31, 1987. He is in the U.S. as a graduate student in the Anatomy Department of Georgetown University. His Visa was issued on November 10, 1986, in London, England, number 00143. During the course of the evening, I contacted Sector 4 to initiate a TECS check on SILVERSTONE, and initiate an archives check on him for the last four years. I also contacted SS/A [deleted] to keep him advised of the proceedings and asked for and received permission to contact SS/A [deleted] of the CPPU to query some names through the CPPU data base. SS/A [deleted] told me he would call Southeast Region Headquarters to keep them posted on the proceedings as well. I later contacted SS/A [deleted] for the stated purpose, and in the discussion that followed I gave him some background on the purpose of the request. I advised him that the information was not for dissemination at Headquarters, that Region was being notified, and that Region would probably contact Headquarters later if deemed necessary. SS/A [deleted] assured me that the information would go no further until official notification was made by Region. No positive matches were obtained from the CPPU data base. I was later joined at the W Street address by SS/A [deleted]. SS/A [deleted] advised me that there were extremely large quantities of documents and computer equipment at the warehouse, and that MPD was posting officers inside the building there and sealing the building until morning, in which a second warrant for that premises would be obtained and executed. SS/A [deleted] also advised me that the news media had been notified and had been waiting for the execution of the warrant at the 4th Street address. Detective [deleted] later stated that the MPD Public Information Officer had been contacted by a Tallahassee reporter. When it became apparent that the PIO had no information on the search warrants , the reporter contacted local media representatives and a check of public records containing the affidavits for the search warrants disclosed the locations and purpose of the warrants. Detective [deleted] surmised that someone on the Tallahassee Police Department was the original source of the information for the press. I advised SS/A [deleted] of the involvement of the press, and he stated that he would, in turn, relay the information to Region. SS/A [deleted] and I assisted in the transport of the evidence seized pursuant to the warrant and cleared MPD after the press left the area. On Friday, 2/6/87, I met Detective [deleted] at the warehouse on 4th Street, N.E. I duly advised my acting group supervisor, SS/A [deleted]. I was again granted unlimited access to the premises. I was able to observe numerous documents which described explicit sexual conduct between the members of the community known as Finders. I also saw a large collection of photographs of unidentified persons. Some of the photographs were nudes, believed to be of members of the Finders. There were numerous photos of children, some nude, at least one of which was a photo of a child "on display" and appearing to accent the child's genitals. I was only able to examine a very small amount of the photos at this time. However, one of the officers presented me with a photo album for my review. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The album contained a series of photos of adults and children dressed in white sheets participating in a "blood ritual." The ritual centered around the execution of at least two goats.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The photos portrayed the execution, disembowelment, skinning and dismemberment of the goats at the hands of the of the children. This included the removal of the testes of a male goat, the discovery of a female goat's "womb" and the "baby goats" inside the womb, and the presentation of a goat's head to one of the children. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Further inspection of the premises disclosed numerous files relating to activities of the organization in different parts of the world.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Locations I observed are as follows: London, Germany, the Bahamas, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Africa, Costa Rica, and "Europe." There was also a file identified as "Palestinian." Other files were identified by member name or "project" name. The projects appearing to be operated for commercial purposes under front names for the Finders. There was one file entitled "Pentagon Break-In," and others referring to members operating in foreign countries. Not observed by me but related by an MPD officer were intelligence files on private families not related to the Finders. The process undertaken appears to be have been a systematic response to local newspaper advertisements for baby-sitters, tutors, etc. A member of the Finders would respond and gather as much information as possible about the habits, identity, occupation, etc., of the family. The use to which this information was to be put is still unknown. There was also a large amount of data collected on various child care organizations. The warehouse contained a large library, two kitchens, a sauna, hot-tub, and a "video room." The video room seemed to be set up as an indoctrination center. It also appeared that that the organization had the capability to produce its own videos. There were what appeared to be training areas for children and what appeared to be an altar set up in a residential area of the warehouse. Many jars of urine and feces were located in this area. I should also mention that both premises were equipped with satellite dish antennas. I discussed the course of action to be taken by MPD with Detective [deleted]. He stated that he was only interested in making the child abuse case(s). I was assured that all of the evidence would be available to U.S. Customs in furtherance of any investigative/criminal action pursued. MPD personnel were to begin around the clock review and sorting of the evidence until completed. Customs will have access after this is accomplished. This will include several U.S. Passports discovered during the search. Upon leaving the 4th Street premises, I encountered a news media representative and was asked the reason behind U.S. Customs involvement in the investigation. I advised the reporter that I could not discuss anything and I referred her to the RAC/DC. I left immediately thereafter. There is no further information available at this time. It will take three to five days for all the information to be sorted, reviewed and logged by the MPD. I will maintain contact with Detective [deleted] until the evidence is again accessible. Respectfully submitted, [deleted] Special Agent, USCS REPORT NUMBER 2, PAGE 1 OF 2 To: Resident Agent in Charge Date: 04/13/87 From: Special Agent On Thursday, February 5, 1987, Senior Special Agent [deleted] and I assisted the Washington D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) with two search warrants involving the possible sexual exploitation of children. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>During the course of the search warrants, numerous documents were discovered which appeared to be concerned with international trafficking in children, high tech transfer to the United Kingdom, and international transfer of currency.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> PAGE 2 OF 2 DETAILS OF INVESTIGATION: On March 31, 1987, I contacted Detective [deleted] of the Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). I was to meet with Detective [deleted] to review the documents seized pursuant to two search warrants executed in January, 1987. The meeting was to take place on April 2 or 3, 1987. On April 2, 1987, I arrived at MPD at approximately 9:00 a.m. Detective [deleted] was not available. I spoke to a third party who was willing to discuss the case with me on a strictly "off the record" basis. I was advised that all the passport data had been turned over to the State Department for their investigation. The State Department in turn, advised the MPD that all travel and use of the passports by the holders of the passports was within the law and no action would be taken. This included travel to Moscow, North Korea, and North Vietnam from the late 1950s to mid 1970s. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The individual further advised me of circumstances which indicated that the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The MPD report has been classified SECRET and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the FBI Foreign Counter Intelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> No further information will be available. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>No further action will be taken.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> ACTION TO BE TAKEN BY LESD/TECS: No action to be taken on the basis of this report. --------------330A221D468E--<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/13/05 3:44 pm<br></i>
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Re: "its when you realise 'oh god this shit is REAL'&am

Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:35 pm

From Kathleen Sullivan's site:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.kathleen-sullivan.com/Finders%20Part%20I.htm">www.kathleen-sullivan.com...rt%20I.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Other links:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.spiritualteachers.org/the_finders.htm">www.spiritualteachers.org...inders.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.whale.to/b/mcgowan2.html">www.whale.to/b/mcgowan2.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Lots more, but many of them are rehashes. Ted Gunderson has an article about the case, also. <p></p><i></i>
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hotDOG!

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:44 pm

Those are the ones, RI. Good thing I hadn't started re-transcribing them yet. Thanks. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finders

Postby DrDebugDU » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:49 am

The Illuminati Formula Used to Create <br>an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave<br>by Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier<br><br>Chapter 2.2 How Children Are Transported To A Major Programming Site<br><br>A list of major programming centers is given in an appendix, along with each site’s programming specialties. In this chapter, an example of just one of the bases used for early programming is given, the large and very secret China Lake facility in California near Death Valley. The children are brought into the China Lake NWC (aka NOTS) base by trains, planes and cars. A number of the small airfields which fly these children into China Lake have been identified.<br><br>One, which is no longer in use for moving children, was a private air strip at Sheridan, OR which was beside a large lumber mill. The lumber mill had an agreement to secretly house the children who had their mouths tapped. Neighbors in the area were bought off, and warned that if they talked they would be in trouble for broaching national security. The area has lots of mills joined by train tracks, which were used to shuttle the children around. Tied into this network was a Catholic Monastery which lies between Sheridan and McMinnville, close to the rail network.<br><br>The Union Train Station in Portland, OR has underground tunnels where children were temporarily warehoused in cages before continuing on their journey. The Jesuits were active in this part of the child procurement. Catholic adoption agencies (which are many), nuns who get pregnant, third world parents, and parents who will sell their children were all sources of children for programming.<br><br>When one thinks about how many corrupt people there are and how many towns and cities are on the West Coast, and how many children are produced by Satanic breeders, illegal aliens and other parents who’d rather have the money than children and the reader begins to realize how procuring batches of 1,000 or 2,000 children was no problem for the Illuminati working through intelligence agencies such as the CIA, NIS, DIA, FBI, and FEMA.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Finders, a joint CIA/FBI group procured children for the Network for years.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Some of the children needed for programming are to be used for sacrifices to traumatize those being programmed. (The names of some of the people who work at procuring children for programming/sacrifice have been released in Fritz Springmeier’s monthly newsletter).<br><br>The secret FEMA airstrip at Santa Rosa has planes landing and leaving all night. Some of these flights go east and then land at the secret 1800-square-mile China Lake Naval Research Base, and are believed to carry children for programming. This airstrip is called the SANTA ROSA AIR CENTER. When I tried to get FAA information on this airstrip they played stupid as if it didn’t exist, yet it is in operation.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Near Santa Rosa is the Bohemian Grove</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, southwest of Santa Rosa, is this air center which is not used by the public. This airport was recently used by private pilots as a F.B.O. It was built during W.W. II as a training base for P-32 pilots, and deactivated in 1952. After the war, it was leased to private companies (such as the CIA).<br><br>The paved areas are 4’ of concrete and can land the heaviest planes in use. There are no buildings over two stories in the entire area, and no control tower. The FBI have a contingent in the Federal building downtown Santa Rosa, and "FEMA" has a radio station at the airport. The Army reserve also has some buildings in the area. However, there is some highly secret activity going on underground at the airport. 6- 7 small planes sneak out of the closed base a day, and for a base of its description that is closed, that is very interesting.<br><br>The planes take off in the evening and do not turn their lights on until hundreds of feet into the air. The Press Democrat of Santa Rosa ran an article on Thurs., Apr. 22, 1993 about the Federal government selling 70 acres of property just to the east of the airport. However, when one reads closely, the land is going to be offered to a host of Federal agencies. The property was "being used by FEMA" (707-542-4534). If one thinks about it, it is unlikely that the radio station is a FEMA transmitter station.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The close vicinity of this secret activity to the elite’s Bohemian Grove makes this an interesting site for study</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. The airport used for the Bohemian Grove visitors is north of Santa Rosa on hwy 101, the Sonoma County Airport. United Express and American Eagle (which flies to and from San Jose) fly into this airport, which has a control tower. In 1964, the airport was reported to have also carried about 600 military operations (either a takeoff or landing) per year.<br><br>It was around this time that the Federal government made an agreement with Sonoma County Airport to help pay for the runway to be extended, the runway to be strengthened and the airport to be upgraded in numerous ways. The elite from around the world fly into here to go to the Bohemian Grove, which is in the Monte Rio area. Monarch slaves are regularly abused at the Grove for the entertainment of Bohemian Grove members in kinky sex theme rooms, such as the dark room and the necrophilia room.<br><br>Secret NWO order business is conducted in the small, dark lounge with a wooden sign naming it U.N.DERGROUND. Slaves are hunted in the woods for sport, and occult rituals, including infant sacrifice, are held outdoors in the Grove. These airfields are described in detail so that the reader can begin to catch on to the network of small planes and airfields the Monarch system uses to transport children. The children are trickled in from various collection points to China Lake.<br><br>Monarch slaves, many of them children themselves are used in this extensive child procurement system. Children are also used to entice and kidnap other children. Teenage slaves are used to escort and transport little children on trains, buses, and planes. The triangular-shaped airfield at China Lake has traditionally begun very early in the morning with lots of activity. The night flights from FEMA’s Santa Rosa airfield being an example of incoming flights. The airfield connects to the main base area via Sandquist Road. Children are landed at this field, while others are driven through the gates guarded by marines, and others come through via the east-west rail line.<br><br>The fact that children are driving through the gates is not alarming because inside the military perimeter is a high school, a junior high school and 3 other schools. Some of the adults of the children being programmed stay in military barracks (Quonset huts and one story buildings) while they wait.<br><br>A male Monarch victim remembers a large hanger building at China Lake with a concrete floor and row after row of cages suspended from the ceiling filling the large building. One of the Programmers was dressed similar to a Catholic Priest. The electric current that ran to the cages made a hum, like an electric fence. There was a marble slab that served as an altar where black-hooded robed people would take a bone handled knife and sacrifice little children in front of the other children in the cages. (Memories from other survivors about the place will be mentioned later).<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/if_chapter2.htm">www.theforbiddenknowledge...apter2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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This could be worth watching for the follow-up information:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.komotv.com/stories/38101.htm">www.komotv.com/stories/38101.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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