British Police Believe "Suicide Bombers" Were Dupe

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British Police Believe "Suicide Bombers" Were Dupe

Postby Bismillah » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:56 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Very</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> encouraging developments in today's Daily Mirror - a large-circulation English paper with a far more serious reputation than the other tabloids. That "suicide bombers" farrago has never made any sense. <br><br>Note the typical, unjustified presumption that these four guys were duped by something called "Al Qaeda" - but that appears to be the Mirror's own extrapolation from the police's more neutral references to unnamed "masters" behind the bombing.<br><br>-----<br><br>Daily Mirror, 16 July 2005<br><br>EXCLUSIVE: WAS IT SUICIDE?<br><br>Why did they buy return train tickets to Luton? Why did they buy pay & display tickets for cars? Why were there no usual shouts of 'Allah Akhbar'? Why were bombs in bags and not on their bodies?<br><br>By Jeff Edwards<br><br>THE London bombers may have been duped into killing themselves so their secrets stayed hidden.<br><br>Police and MI5 are probing if the four men were told by their al-Qaeda controller they had time to escape after setting off timers. Instead, the devices exploded immediately.<br><br>A security source said: "If the bombers lived and were caught they'd probably have cracked. Would their masters have allowed that to happen? We think not."<br><br>The evidence is compelling: The terrorists bought return rail tickets, and pay and display car park tickets, before boarding _ a train at Luton for London. None of the men was heard to cry "Allah Akhbar!" - "God is great" - usually screamed by suicide bombers as they detonate their bomb.<br><br>Their devices were in large rucksacks which could be easily dumped instead of being strapped to their bodies. They carried wallets containing their driving licences, bank cards and other personal items. Suicide bombers normally strip themselves of identifying material.<br><br>Similar terror attacks against public transport in Madrid last year were carried out by recruits who had time to escape and planned to strike again.<br><br>Bomber Hasib Hussain detonated his device at the rear of the top deck of a No 30 bus, not in the middle of the bottom deck where most damage would be caused.<br><br>Additionally, two of the bombers had strong personal reasons for staying alive.<br><br>Jermaine Lindsay's partner Samantha Lewthwaite, 22, mother of his one-year-old son, is expecting her second baby within days. Mohammed Sidique Khan's wife Hasina, mum of a 14-month-old daughter, is also pregnant.<br><br>Our source disclosed: "The theory that they were not a suicide squad is gathering pace. They were the weakest link.<br><br>"We think it's possible they were told that when they pressed buttons to set off timers they'd have a short time to abandon the bombs and get away before the blast. Instead, the bombs exploded immediately."<br><br>Another intelligence source added: "Whoever is behind this didn't want to waste their best operatives on a suicide mission. Instead they used easily recruited low-grade men who may have believed they'd walk away."<br><br><br>--- article continues here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742951&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=was-it-suicide---name_page.html">www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_..._page.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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timers

Postby Dreams End » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:31 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The terrorists bought return rail tickets, and pay and display car park tickets, before boarding _ a train at Luton for London.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It would be interesting to know WHEN the return tickets were for. Was it an immediate turnaround (this would make it somewhat more plausible that they knew there were timers and that they'd have time to turn around and come back. Of course, it also supports the idea that they thought they were part of a drill. So far, no family members have been quoted as saying they'd mentioned taking part in a drill. Maybe they were told they had to keep it secret to make the test effective. Why do I put so much in parentheses? ) <br><br> However, if they knew there were timers in the first place, you'd think they would be able to see how much time there was when they set them. Maybe real bombs don't have those visible counters like in all the movies. (Damn it! Do I cut the blue wire or the red wire next?) However, you'd think there would be some indicator on there in order to be able to set the time in the first place. <br><br><br>On the other hand, if their return ticket was for later in the day, clearly they could not have been aware they were carrying bombs at all. If they knew they were going to blow up trains, they would have known that return train service would be rather unlikely. And for a subway ride, a one way ticket is not at all suspicious, so there would be no need to buy round trip tickets to avert that suspicion.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"We think it's possible they were told that when they pressed buttons to set off timers they'd have a short time to abandon the bombs and get away before the blast. Instead, the bombs exploded immediately."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Another bit of questionable logic. The very reason they suspected timers is that (unless I misunderstand) the bombs went off in such a synchronized fashion. Depending on the "bombers" to set the timers by hand is no different from simply having suicide bombers push the button at a certain time. In fact, come to think of it, I'm not sure why the idea of suicide bombers with reasonably synchronized watches was abandoned for the idea of timers in the first place. <br><br>Or are they trying to say the bombs were set for a particular time of day but didn't start "timing" until these guys pushed the button? Anyone seen any clarifications? <p></p><i></i>
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Very encouraging

Postby Qutb » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:28 am

that the police is looking into this possibility. It has been obvious from the start that little supported the "suicide bomber" theory. What possibility is there that they didn't know they were part of a terrorist attack at all? They must have known that they would be caught on security cameras. The risk of getting caught was significant. <p></p><i></i>
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well, talking about "rigorous intuition"

Postby maggrwaggr » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:52 am

Everything I have read about the "bombers" says to me that these were young men who were indeed duped.<br><br>To me, it screams that they were suckered in by females. These were decent, average kids, who suddenly started acting differently and keeping secrets.<br><br>What would make a kid that age do that? A woman/girl. <br><br>These guys were suckered into doing something for new mysterious "girlfriends". They thought they were doing a favor and KAWHOOM. They're dead.<br><br>These kids were just suckers. For whom were they suckers is the million dollar question.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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