London - the official story and some questions

by **Sokolova** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:18 am

The official police statement now seems to be that the man shot at Stockwell was NOT armed and NOT carrying a bomb. The sequence of events given by the police (as quoted by the UK Independent) is as follows:  The four 'unexploded bombs' from 21/7 apparently provided a 'forensic goldmine' that led police to three addresses: one in Stockwell, one in Brixton, and one in West Kilburn. According to the Independent: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"Shortly before 10 am a man left the premises in Stockwell and was followed by surveillance officers. He got on a bus and headed towards a nearby tube station. Fearing he was going to enter the Tube, officers called in an elite unit of specialist firearms officers to make an armed arrest before he entered the station. "It was at this point, witnesses said, that the man vaulted a barrier in the Tube station and ran down the escalators and on to a north-bound Northern Line train, pursued by police."<hr></blockquote>  This alone seems to raise several questions: a)How exactly did the 'forensic goldmine' of the unexploded bombs lead back to the addresses mentioned above? Was there personal ID left in them? or a sticker reading "If unexploded return to..."? b)Who was this man they shot? How did they know he was dangerous? c) if they had located the house and they believed it had dangerous terrorists inside, why didn't they use their new powers to storm the house and arrest and detain the inhabitants for fourteen days? Why just sit there watching them? d) When exactly did this guy become dangerous? It was okay to let him leave the house. Okay to let him board a bus. But suddenly when he looks like he is entering a Tube station it becomes necessary to stop him with potentially deadly force.If he could have blown up the Tube then he could just as easily have blown up the bus. So, why no intervention while he waited at the bus stop? Why - indeed - no intervention as he left the house? THE TRAIN According to the Independent, the train was delayed at Stockwell station because of 'disruptions' on the line. Though I am not sure what those disrupotions would have been since the incidents didn't begin happening until 10 am, and the train had apparently been waiting for 'four minutes' by the time the man boarded at just after 10. According to one woman witness she could not leave the train, presumably because the doors were closed. Yet the Independent says 'at least the doors were open', though it cites no source for this information. The doors were apparently closed immediately after the shooting as one witness, Jo Parkes, describes seeing people hammering on the doors trying to get out. She then says: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"The doors opened and some people were so shocked they lay on the floor between the seats" <hr></blockquote> Apparently she heard the driver of the train shout several times "stay on the train! stay on the train! get back on the train". NOTE: At least one witness has been misquoted by the Independent to give the impression the man was acting violently when he was not. The witness, Dan Copeland, is quoted as saying the man ‘grabbed a passenger’ before being shot. Not true. I heard Copeland on tv, and what he actually said was that the man stumbled, and grabbed a pole and a passenger to steady himself! In the street outside a bus driver, Duarte Osty was driving a bus that arrived at the Tube station moments after the police dashed inside. He said: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>“…the police were going straight into the station. Within two minutes there were twenty cars and a helicopter overhead . They put the security in place so quickly it was like they knew something was going to happen”<hr></blockquote>  Some questions this seems to raise: a)Why exactly was this train delayed? It seems rather early (just before 10 am) for the incidents in other stations to have percolated through and be causing this train to have to wait. But then maybe it is quite innocent. b) prior to the shooting were the doors open or not? An eyewitness says she couldn’t get off. Yet the Indy rather pointedly says ‘at least the doors were open’, while quoting no witness to that effect. c) why were the doors closed after the shooting? d) when the doors suddenly opened again why was the driver of the train telling everyone to stay on board? In fact WOULD a driver say that? Would he want to tell passengers to stay on a train that might blow up at any moment? Shouldn’t everyone in fact have been told to leave quickly? Was it the driver, or someone else possibly in the driver’s cabin? THE OTHER INCIDENTS Apparently, simultaneous with this incident, there was another event at Kennington station, which is two stops north of Stockwell (The Oval, site of the ‘explosion’) on 21/7 is between the two). According to the Independent: “ at 10 am passengers contact police about a man with a rucksack seen walking between carriages. He is interviewed but not detained. Minutes later a suspicious package is reported but it proves to be a false alarm” At 10. 30am Vauxhall station is closed for “a short time” due to a suspicious package, which turns out to be harmless. At 10.35am the East London mosque is cordoned off after a bomb threat. But nothing is found. At. 12 noon police evacuate and close the Angel tube station in east London , on the other side of the river from Stockwell and Kennington. Nothing is found At 1.15 pm “a large police operation” begins in the Harrow Road near Paddington. There are reports of CS gas and shots fired. But police emerge empty-handed. Any arrests? Not clear Some questions thise seems to raise: a)What about the house in Stockwell? It was being surveilled and a man who came out of it ends up dead, but no one raids the house, and none of the inhabitants are detained? b)Why are the incidents in Kennington and Stockwell happening at exactly the same time? The first explanation might seem to be that the ‘bombers’ planned it that way. But wait a minute: the man at Stockwell WASN’T a bomber. The incident only happned there and at that time because the police chose it happen there and then. They could have taken him sooner at the house or in the street or on the bus, or later after he got off the train he was boarding. But they chose to take him then and there – at exactly the same moment that an apparently innocent guy on another station two stops away is doing odd things with a rucksack? <hr /> Okay… that's how the story is developing today in the UK, and I have tried to highlight some of the more obvious questions it raises. Ellie

by **antiaristo** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:42 am

Much appreciated, Sokolova. Keep doing it. This stinks to high heaven of death squads in London. The stakes ARE that high. We are towards the final stages of a master plan put together perhaps 120 years ago.

by **antiaristo** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:57 am

I should perhaps add that the comment above is enlightened by the personal experience of being pursued by Her Majesty's death squads for seven months. First in England. Then in Ireland.

by **seemslikeadream** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:08 am

<img src="http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/photos/bsunday/bs722.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Bernard McGuigan after he had been shot Photographer: Eamon Melaugh Date Photograph Taken: 30 January 1972 ('Bloody Sunday') Location of Photograph: Rossville Street, Derry <img src="http://users.net.yu/~shamrock/eire/fotoeire/H-Bloody_Sunday2.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://www.stwalburges.org/tpics/talbotreebomb.jpg" style="border:0;"/> The story beins in the loyalist area of Belfast, early in the morning of Friday, May 17 1974, when three cars were procurred - two by hijacking, and one simply stolen. A fourth, stolen in Portadown. These cars were then drive south, three the little less than a hundred miles to Dublin, one the shorter distance to Monaghan city. It must be presumed, that the cars were driven all that way with the bombs already in them. The three cars bound for Dublin were parked in Parnell Street, Talbot Street and South Leinster Street, all busy with pedestrians and bus and car traffic as the Rush hour got under way. The massive bombs all exploded within a two minute time span. No warning had been given, and nobody claimed responsibility. While the dead and dying were being taken to Dublin hospitals, the Portadown car exploded without warning in the centre of Monaghan town, similarly busy with shoppers and drivers going home. By the next morning's papers they were able to report that thirty three people were dead and more than 200 injured in total from the four bombs. Only this year, the tally was increased to thirty-four when a coroner's court ruled that an unborn baby was to be considered a victim in its own right along with its mother. But despite the wealth of evidence, no arrests were ever made, and suspicions of British military collusion become harder to refute as more and more facts have become known. But this is not the place or time for such things. This is for remembering what we know happened, and who it happened to <a href="http://www.pearsecom.com/Ireland/anniversaries.htm" target="top">www.pearsecom.com/Ireland/anniversaries.htm</a> Treaty gives CIA powers over Irish citizens US INVESTIGATORS, including CIA agents, will be allowed interrogate Irish citizens on Irish soil in total secrecy, under an agreement signed between Ireland and the US last week. Suspects will also have to give testimony and allow property to be searched and seized even if what the suspect is accused of is not a crime in Ireland. Under 'instruments of agreement' signed last week by Justice Minister Michael McDowell, Ireland and the US pledged mutual co-operation in the investigation of criminal activity. It is primarily designed to assist America's so-called 'war on terror' in the wake of the September 11 atrocities. The deal was condemned yesterday by the Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL) as "an appalling signal of how the rights of Irish citizens are considered by the minister when engaging in international relations". The ICCL said it appeared to go far beyond even what has been agreed between EU countries. http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sg46g7Ks0cvBEsg7OWirIStPSk.asp

by **Peachtree Pam** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:19 pm

Police calling this a "tragedy", regret the loss of life.. Just heard on BBC World

London - the official story and some questions

London - the official story and some questions

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