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Alert - Stockwell victim not connected to bombings

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:57 pm

The police calling shooting a "tragedy"<br><br>Man may have been from from Brazil<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050723/1/3toms.html">sg.news.yahoo.com/050723/1/3toms.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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will they have to answer

Postby AnnaLivia » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:05 pm

what excuse can there be for shooting point blank? if you've already got your hands on the guy, it's not only wrong, but completely stupid police work. <p></p><i></i>
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"Tragic" mistake

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:21 pm

I really don't have any words to express how outraged I am...not to mention the entire Muslim community's anger..it leaves me speechless...<br>Pam <p></p><i></i>
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re:"tragic mistake"

Postby rain » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:38 pm

ditto Pam.<br>am wondering if in this moment the tide could turn.<br>will there be an apology to the people of Iraq, Palestine, and heaven knows how many others.<br>oops, sorry, "tragic mistake".<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Tragic" mistake

Postby mikita » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:43 pm

it SURELY is ...... and do you think they'll also consider it a "tragic" mistake being "our" ally in Iraq and killing all the innocent civilians DAY after DAY after DAY who had NOTHING to do with 9/11, WMDs, and whatever-the-fuck-else we cook up?<br><br>Do you think they'll even THINK about it? NOT!<br><br>The dots are so out there for people to connect it could be a Rorschach, but the blinders stay on.<br><br>I just stay SO pissed off.....<br><br>Peace, Mikita <p></p><i></i>
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re: Tragic Mistake?

Postby Starman » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:54 pm

When a man has been subdued by three 'officers' on the ground and is then executed? What POSSIBLE excuse can there be for such a horrible incident? I always thought it at least highly probably the man didn't understand English and was spooked by three men who he thought might have had Hate Crime in their hearts. The bit about surveilling a 'block' of flats which culminated in a cold-blooded public execution -- Frankly, it leaves me speechless. But then, such mindless, senseless violence has lomng-since become the norm in Iraq, so it's not too surprising GB would reap the whirlwind of its own plotting. This 'incident' could hardly have done more to increase racial tension and suspicions, likely along oversimplistic "Damn you, immigrant scum!" and "What did WE do?" While the real criminals are chortling behind the scenes, plotting further debaucheries as cover for their guilt and decades of betrayals.<br><br>For many people, these events have been long-anticipated as necessary for promoting the globalist's agenda.<br><br>I'm absolutely disgusted. But at least some folks aren't unquestioningly jumping into the Rabbit Hole. Nevertheless, I can't stand seeing so many people being thoroughly buffaloed.<br><br>Of course, the shooting will be judged 'justifiable' so as not to damage State/police relations.<br><br>I can see a spate of 'mistaken identity' and racially-motivated muggings following this 'message' that presumption of authority should not be questioned.<br><br>And too, of course, idiocy must be a virus, eh?<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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More on Stockwell victim

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:45 am

<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Lies, Lies and more Lies

Postby michael meiring » Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:35 am

We get the usual official conspiracy theory version changing yet again daily.<br><br>From shooting him in the head and torso, ( i personnaly wondered why when having him under survalence and suspecting him of being wrapped in explosives would they allow him to go anywhere near anyone or anything let alone pump him full of iron, lucky those bullets missed the explosives on his torso,) but hey lets just change the official conspiracy theorists version of what really happened again) Despite eyewitness accounts of the intel hoodlems shooting him in the head and TORSO, we now have the newly peddled redrafted official conspiracy theorists guide of 5 shots to the back of the head.<br><br>I now here from the government PR firms that theres 4 loose suicide bombers loose.......this, if it was not so serious to the UK's citizens would be so comical as to make the al zaharwi 'soap opera' seem believable.<br><br>Intelligence services? seems more like the DUNCE AGENCY to me. Still i am so long in the tooth now nothing suprises me anymore.<br><br>Speaking of official conspiracy theorists guides to 'newly created mythical terrorists and groups' have you noticed how the official conspiracy theorists guide to suicide bombers changes daily from, suicide bombers, suspected suicide bombers, to suicide bombers tricked by handlers to not suicide bombers and now back to suicide bombers.<br><br>Time to put more funds into the underfunded DUNCE/intel agencies i can hear 'junior BOMBADIER Blair' about to preach, we need these ID cards in now to stop these haters of freedom <p></p><i></i>
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Zymphora on Stockwell killing

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:32 am

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Where was he shot?

Postby antiaristo » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:20 am

Michael,<br>This from the Observer<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Pereira said that the most upsetting part of identifying his cousin was 'to see bullet wounds <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>in his back and his neck</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> when I went to the mortuary in Greenwich.'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1535246,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/attack...46,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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The story stinks

Postby Sokolova » Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:53 pm

The two ends of the story don’t join in the middle. Think about it:<br><br>1. we are told the ‘forensic goldmine’ in the unexploded bombs lead to some addresses, including a certain house in Stockwell.<br><br>2. police surveille the house and follow a man from it on to Stockwell tube station.<br><br>3. the man jumps a barrier and runs off and they shoot him dead.<br><br>4. they suddenly claim this was an accident and the man was a Brazilian who had nothing to do with terrorism!<br><br>So...why was he apparently in this house they say was linked to the ‘unexploded bombs’? And come to that - why has this house just slipped out of the news and vanished? Why was it never raided or even investigated?<br><br>It all stinks. It makes no sense. I am guessing there never were any unexploded bombs last Thursday, or any ‘forensic gold mine’ leading to any addresses anywhere; that the house in Stockwell was just a bit of smoke and mirrors, and our guy was shot for some other mad or esoteric reason we presently know nothing about. <br><br>Ellie <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The story stinks

Postby toscaveritas » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:22 pm

British Cops trained in Israel <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050724&articleId=732">www.globalresearch.ca/ind...icleId=732</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"Operation Kratos": London Met Police Special Operations Unit "Shoot to Kill"<br><br>by Michel Chossudovsky<br><br>July 24, 2005<br>GlobalResearch.ca<br><br><br><br>The cold blooded murder of Jean Charles de Menezes, in the Stockwell underground was no accident. London Metropolitan Police had approved a policy of "shoot to kill":<br><br> "a controversial tactic deployed only in the most extreme circumstances but one police have been preparing to use for the last two weeks.".<br><br>The shoot to kill policy was undertaken under the auspices of "Operation Kratos", named after the mythical Spartan hero. It was carried out by the London Metropolitan's elite SO19 firearms unit often referred to as the Blue Berets. The latter are described as the equivalent to the US SWAT teams, yet in this particular case, they were not wearing uniforms. <br><br>The training of the S019 marksmen was patterned on that of Israel. They had been briefed "by officers who had been to Israel to meet their counterparts there and pick up tips gleaned from the experience of dealing with Hamas bombers".<br><br> "During the Kratos briefings, the Met team were told that, contrary to their normal arms training, they should fire at the head rather than the chest. Although the chest is easier to hit, it is not as reliable in causing instant death, giving a bomber a chance to detonate his device.... "(The Scottish Daily Record, 23 July, 2005).<br><br>The "Israeli counterparts" refers to Israel's National Police (INP), Shin Bet (the Israel Security Agency) and Israel's Ministry of Internal Security. But the police antiterrorist operations conducted by the INP against Hamas and Islamic Jihad are carried out in close coordination with the Military (Israeli Defense Force) and Mossad. Israel has also collaborated in the training of members of the FBI and the LAPD. Top law enforcement officers of the FBI were trained in Israel under a program sponsored by the The Jewish Institute for National Security.<br><br>see <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/2168/documentid/3020/history/3,2359,2166,2168,3020">www.jinsa.org/articles/ar...,2168,3020</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> <br><br>SO13: The Anti-terrorist Branch<br><br>Of significance in setting the antiterrorist policy under "Operation Kratos" is the so-called SO13 or Antiterrorist Branch. . <br><br>The various special operations units including SO13, Special branch and SO19 of the Met police are overseen by Andy Hayman, the recently appointed assistant commissioner. The SO19 is one of several entities under the jurisdiction of the Met police. (see below)<br><br>Once SO13 and Special Branch decided to carry out Operation Kratos, specific guidelines were provided to SO19 to carry out the "shoot to kill" agenda.<br><br> <br><br>Firearms Unit (SO19)<br><br>Essentially what we are dealing with is the formation of a death squadron mentality under the auspices of what is stilled officially considered a "civilian police force".<br><br>Despite the controversy surrounding the shoot-to-kill operations, London mayor Ken Livingstone "had nothing but praise for the police".<br><br>Rather than condemning the killing and calling for an investigation, he casually laid the blamed for the death of Jean Charles de Menezes on the terrorists:<br><br> "The police acted to do what they believed necessary to protect the lives of the public... This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility." (BBC, 23 July 2005)<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.met.police.uk/so/imagefiles/so_structure.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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The final lie: no warning given to Stockwell victim

Postby Peachtree Pam » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:51 am

<br><br>This story increases in horror each day.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/stockwell-murder-shatters-brazilian.html">wagnews.blogspot.com/2005...ilian.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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re: the final lie

Postby rain » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:12 am

figured that yesterday.<br>what's the bet this kid was just running to catch his train, or lose the creeps that seemed to be following him.<br>so, is this really deep, dark psyops?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Psy-op

Postby Peachtree Pam » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:36 am

Hi Rain,<br><br>I still think it was a psy-op in that the three men (were they SAS or Israelis, leaving out any middlemen) had overpowered the Brazilian as he stumbled and fell to the floor as he ran into the train. They then pumped not one bullet into his brain, but five. To me, this was done solely to traumatize and brutalize the people in that train.<br><br>Sokolova's pick-up on the train already sitting waiting for no obvious reason, with the people not allowed to leave, is also very strange. It appeared to me that the stage was set for an ensuing drama, but I could be wrong. Just intuition, but not a lot of rigor <p></p><i></i>
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