by Starman » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:49 pm
OK: This is what I found; Recall, 2 weapons were reportedly shot, so less than a third of each magazine was used (assuming near-equal shots fired by each). The most probable weapon was the semi-auto Glock 17 in 9 mm (standard-issue, as news reports detailed spent shells, which eliminates use of the other standard-issue weapon, a six-shot S&W revolver). The Glock 17 weighs 21.175 ounces -- the '17' refers to total 'loaded' capability, 16 rounds magazine capacity, one in the chamber (designed-in trigger safety). Standard alternative-issue magazine capacities include 10 and 15 rounds also (mostly for compliance w/various US state laws). The larger Glock 18 in 9 mm can apparently be fitted with an after-market, relatively HUGE 32 round magazine (that sticks-out below the reciever-grip -- extremely unlikely as use by undercover officers).<br><br>Other models of Glock in 9mm or 40 cal. or the updated replacement H&K P2000 in 9mm might also have been issued to 'special' Police Forces, or to paramilitary-type anti-terrorist squads -- which information might be hard to verify.<br><br>from: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.flyinglead.info/bb/viewtopic.php?p=20785&">www.flyinglead.info/bb/vi...p?p=20785&</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.global-defence.com/2003/police_03.htm">www.global-defence.com/20...ice_03.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>--excerpt--<br>Standard UK police weapons are the semi-automatic Glock 17 pistol, the Smith & Wesson .38 Model 10 revolver and the highly effective Heckler & Koch MP5 sub-machine gun. The Model 10, first produced in 1899, has become a standard law enforcement weapon of good standing for very many years and it, along with its predecessors and its many variants, is in use by police forces around the world. A more recent addition to the arsenal is the Austrian Glock 17, an efficient, compact (186mm x 138mm) 9mm pistol that is proven in action. <br><br>This robust and reliable weapon first appeared in 1983 and although it is being improved continually it may soon be replaced in British service. A possible replacement for the Glock 17 is the newly introduced Heckler & Koch P2000, also 9mm and already chosen by several continental police forces. The military variant P8 also has been chosen for use by the German army. <br>*<br>This (below) is a very typical comment among hundreds I skimmed on maybe a dozen or more blogs while researching what kind of weapon the British Police are issued, posted during the week after Menezes was shot, and suddenly drying-up as attention was diverted to another issue; In this light, the longer the British officials didn't correct the initial reports, which we now know were WRONG, the more people tried this issue in their mind and sided with the police. -- Invariably, the story they backed was some variation of -- he jumped the turnstile and ran when challenged, he was wearing an unseasonable bulky coat, he didn't obey police orders to stop. Thus, he brought it on himself. In this context, the failure of officials to correct the record for 3 WEEKS was absolutely reprehensible, and those responsible for not disclosing true facts need to be held accountable for betraying the public trust.<br><br>By Belize:<br>Six armed men yell "Stop! Police!" and his reaction is to jump a turnstile and run toward a subway train? Would he try that in a major Brazilian city, especially one that just days earlier had experienced a major terrorist attack?<br><br>If he truly had no connections with an Islamic terrorist cell--a supposition that is not the final word, by any means--then his death is unfortunate, but brought about by his own actions. I now echo Apollo11's chanting of the Vonage theme. <br>--unquote--<br><br>AND, From the VERY wierd section that I stumbled on:<br><br>Posted by dsquared on 7/22/05 9:00:39 AM Permalink <br><br>I find it strange there aren't many press stories about an incident at Vauxhall. My colleague was on the tube and a rucksack had smoke coming out of it and the station was evacuated, with according to him people fighting each other to get out first. It's on the BBC's 'have your say' feature, but not mentioned anywhere else, except the Sydney Morning Herald, bizarrely. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stalinism.com/shot-by-both-sides/full_post.asp?pid=1282">www.stalinism.com/shot-by...p?pid=1282</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Starman<br> <p></p><i></i>