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Loose Ends

Postby antiaristo » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:30 am

It's now one month since 56 persons were murdered in London.<br>Remember how they had the names of the "suicide bombers" within about 48 hours?<br>I've just watched an interview with the Met Commissioner on TV. He's giving out excuses as to why they STILL have not released the names of the dead.<br><br>Are they having accounting problems similar to the 9/11 flight manifests?<br><br>What if two men were really shot at Canary Wharf?<br>And those two men were the "suicide bombers"?<br><br>How would they come up with 56 names? <p></p><i></i>
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Police State

Postby antiaristo » Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:09 pm

HERE IT COMES<br><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>August 07, 2005 <br><br>Special forces turn sights from Iraq to hunt terrorists in Britain<br>Michael Smith<br> <br> Sunday Times<br> <br> <br> <br>BRITAIN’S special forces commanders have temporarily switched the main thrust of their attention from Iraq and Afghanistan to hunting down suspected terrorists at home. <br><br>A number of special forces teams are on an hour’s notice to move anywhere in the UK to support police operations against the terrorist threat. <br><br>The teams have a number of aircraft, including civilian helicopters and two small executive jets, assigned to them to ensure they can get anywhere in Britain as swiftly as possible. <br><br>“The UK is now at the top of our agenda and the two (terrorist) incidents will result in significant changes to our workload for the near future,” a senior defence source said. <br><br>Each of the rapid reaction teams includes a mix of SAS and Special Boat Service counter-terrorist experts, specialist human surveillance operatives and special forces bomb disposal officers. <br><br>They also include technical surveillance experts from a fifth special forces unit, 18th (UKSF) Signal Regiment, which was secretly created this year. The regiment is the third new special forces unit set up to support 22 SAS Regiment and the navy’s SBS in an expansion of Britain’s special forces to cope with the war on terror. <br><br>The new regiment includes soldiers who can monitor mobile and satellite phones and has a number of high-tech methods of listening in to conversations from up to half a mile away. <br><br>The Sunday Times revealed last week that special forces intelligence personnel were part of the surveillance operation that resulted in the shooting of an innocent Brazilian. <br><br>SAS troops also played a role in the capture nine days ago of three men suspected of taking part in the failed July 21 bomb attacks. The soldiers provided expertise in explosive entry techniques to back up raids by police firearms officers. <br><br>The extent of the involvement by special forces and the scope of their capabilities have remained secret until now. “Our people are carrying out what I can only describe as a vital role within the current operation,” one source said. “It is complex and spread across a large part of the UK. The team includes aspects of the new units assigned to UKSF (UK special forces) within the past year.” <br><br>Part of this role is understood to involve special forces merging into the background in London and other British cities. Plainclothes SAS teams have also monitored airports and main railway stations to identify any security weaknesses. <br><br>Members of the SBS have worked alongside Home Office officials on exercises at key ports to try to spot security problems. One exercise scenario involved suicide bombers hijacking an oil tanker which they aimed to blow up in a port. <br><br>However, defence sources said that although the elite military teams are under the overall control of the director of special forces, any counter-terror operations will remain under the authority of the police. <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Suicide Bombers? What Suicide Bombers?

Postby antiaristo » Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:18 am

I've only just seen this. I know people are being frustrated by all the conflicting stories. But given that "suicide bombers" are the excuse for de facto martial law in Britain. why give Blair the benefit of the doubt?<br><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>NEW YORK (CNN) -- The bombers responsible for the July 7 blasts in London used commonly available products to make their explosives, New York police told security officials in a briefing Wednesday.<br>According to the New York Police Department, investigators in London believe the bombers used a peroxide-based explosive called HMDT, or hexamethylene triperoxide, which can be made with such common items as hydrogen peroxide, which is used to bleach hair; citric acid, a food preservative; and heating tablets used by the military for cooking.<br>New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told private security officials that while it was initially thought the bombers used high-end military explosives, it was "more like these terrorists went to a hardware store or some beauty supply store."<br>Through a law enforcement source, CNN confirmed the information was disclosed during the meeting between NYPD officials and security heads from an array of organizations, including financial institutions, hotels and schools. <br>The briefing was part of an effort to increase terrorism vigilance in New York. <br>In London, Deputy Chief Constable Andy Trotter of the British Transport Police said the release of the information was "unhelpful" to the ongoing investigation in Britain.<br>Trotter said Thursday that British authorities only release information deemed necessary "to protect the public." <br>The U.S. briefing was based partly on information learned by NYPD detectives dispatched to London after the bombings to monitor the investigation, the law enforcement source said.<br>Because HMDT degrades at room temperature, the bombers preserved it in a commercial freezer that had been installed in a "flophouse" in Leeds, England, Michael Sheehan, the NYPD's deputy commissioner for counterterrorism, told security officials at the meeting.<br>He said the presence of a refrigerator in such an incongruous setting should have been "an indicator for a problem."<br>British investigators also believe the bombs were transported in coolers carried by two cars to the outskirts of London, according to the NYPD, and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the bombs were detonated by using alarms on cell phones that were set to go off at 8:50 a.m. BST (0750 GMT).</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Similar explosive compounds were used in four attempted transport bombings in London on July 21, although the detonators used in the second set of attacks were activated by hand, rather than timed, according to the NYPD. None of those bombs exploded.<br>Kelly warned the security personnel at Wednesday's meeting that the materials and methods used in the London attacks could easily be adapted for use in New York.<br>Sheehan told them that the types of organizations with which the bombers were believed to have affiliated "are very much present in New York City."<br>"That's something we're studying very, very carefully," Sheehan told attendees. "This could happen here."<br>NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said the NYPD had clearance from British authorities to present the information during the briefing.<br>In London, Scotland Yard declined comment. However, one British police source told CNN he considered it "reckless" for another police force, in another country, to give out "privileged" information on the investigation.<br>A law enforcement source also told CNN that the NYPD's counterterrorism and counterintelligence departments were looking into whether a sweatshirt worn by one of the suspects in the July 21 attempted bombings in London might have been a "symbolic gesture."<br>A surveillance photograph released by British police showed Ramzi Mohammed wearing a sweatshirt emblazoned with the words "New York" on the morning of the incidents.<br>CNN's Shannon Troetel, Maureen Madden and Roger Clark contributed to this report.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/03/london.bombings.briefing/">www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/03....briefing/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Hiding the Mastermind

Postby antiaristo » Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:49 pm

Maybe it's just my cynicism getting the better of me. But it sure looks like Sir Ian Blair is trying just as hard as his predecessor Sir John Stevens and his "Diana Investigation". Maybe both crimes had the same perpetrator?<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>London Detainee Charged In NY Court<br> <br>(AP) NEW YORK A man detained in connection with the July 7 suicide bombings in London has been charged in a New York court with providing material support to terrorism in the United States, according to court documents unsealed Monday.<br><br>Haroon Rashid Aswat, 30, a British-born citizen of Indian descent, is accused of being part of a 1999-2000 plot to set up a terrorist training camp in Bly, Ore., according to a six-page complaint unsealed in federal court in Manhattan.<br><br>Aswat was taken into custody in Zambia last month, where he had been detained in connection to the bombings. British officials want to question him about 20 phone calls reportedly made on his South African cell phone to some of the four suicide bombers who killed 52 people in the London attack, Zambian officials had said last month.<br><br>He was brought back to London over the weekend, and a judge on Monday ordered him to remain there until Thursday pending an extradition request from U.S. authorities.<br><br>According to the complaint in New York, Aswat and another man were dispatched to the United States in 1999. After arriving in New York, they traveled by bus to Seattle, where they allegedly conspired to set up the training camp.<br><br>A witness told U.S. investigators that Aswat once boasted that he had "been in a training camp in Afghanistan and he once saw Osama bin Laden," according to court papers.<br><br>The London extradition hearing was based on accusations that Aswat tried to set up the Oregon camp to provide training in weapons, hand-to-hand combat and martial arts for people aiming to fight in Afghanistan.<br><br>Aswat's lawyer, Hossein Zahir, indicated his client would challenge the extradition.<br><br>"He wishes to stress that he has nothing to hide," Zahir told the court. "He denies any suggestion that he's a terrorist or engaged in any terrorist activity."<br><br>Aswat had expertise in combat training and remained at the Oregon camp for a month at the end of 1999, said the complaint, filed in federal court in New York on June 20.<br><br>It closely tracks the indictments of James Ujaama, a Seattle man who the government said first identified property in Bly, and Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, who faces charges that include his role in the camp.<br><br>Ujaama, who pleaded guilty to lesser charges in exchange for his cooperation in terrorism investigations, provided crucial help in last year's indictment of al-Masri, federal officials have said.<br><br>Aswat was referred to, but not named or indicted, in the charges against Ujaama, officials have said.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Out of the blue.....?

Postby antiaristo » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:31 am

As you read this, recall that the official threat estimate had been LOWERED a few weeks before the bombing which killed 56.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;font-size:large;">France and Saudis knew of plans to attack UK</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br><br>French intelligence warns of risk from al-Qaida Pakistani activists <br><br>Jon Henley in Paris and Duncan Campbell<br>Tuesday August 9, 2005<br>The Guardian <br><br>Both France and Saudi Arabia had advance warning that Britain was about to be attacked by al-Qaida, according to a classified report and claims by the Saudi ambassador to London. The warnings came at a time when the British intelligence services had concluded that there was no imminent attack planned. <br>In a classified report on the Pakistani community in France, presented to the French interior ministry in late June, the Renseignements Généraux, or DCRG, France's equivalent of the Special Branch, said Britain "remains threatened by plans decided at the highest level of al Qaida ... They will be put into action by operatives drawing on pro-jihad sympathies within the large Pakistani community in the UK." <br>Three of the four July 7 London bombers were Britons of Pakistani origin. <br>The 20-page report, parts of which were published in the daily paper Le Figaro, was presented soon after British intelligence chiefs had lowered the al-Qaida threat to "substantial", from "severe - general". At the time, a report by the Joint Terrorist Analysis Centre concluded that "there is a not a group with both the current intent and the capability to attack the UK." <br>An interior ministry official in Paris declined to comment on the report and refused to say whether or not the DCRG's warning had been passed to London. UK security sources have consistently denied that they received any specific threat on which it was possible to act before July 7. <br>…………..<br><br>Saudi Arabian authorities also informed the UK of a potential attack, it was confirmed this week. The Saudi ambassador in London, Prince Turki al-Faisal, said in a statement: "There was certainly close liaison between the Saudi Arabian intelligence authorities and British intelligence some months ago, when information was passed to Britain about a heightened terrorist threat to London." However, the threats were not specific and, according to security sources, there was no detailed intelligence that could have disrupted the July 7 bombers. <br>........<br><br>Britain and Australia warned yesterday of imminent attacks in Saudi Arabia.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1545168,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/attack...68,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Out of the blue.....?

Postby DrDebugDU » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:42 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Saudi ambassador in London, Prince Turki al-Faisal, said in a statement: "There was certainly close liaison between the Saudi Arabian intelligence authorities and British intelligence some months ago, when information was passed to Britain about a heightened terrorist threat to London."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>One of the most amazing part of the overall deceipt is of course that the person who hand picked Osama bin Laden as the CIA/Saudi liason person became the ambassador to Britain. ( <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.countercurrents.org/ipk-saleem150703.htm">www.countercurrents.org/i...150703.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> )<br><br>P.S. Is it just me or is ezboard terribly slow again. It takes almost a minute before any response... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 8/9/05 6:43 am<br></i>
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The Next Phase of the Plan

Postby antiaristo » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:48 pm

"Everything changed on 7/7"<br><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:large;">Rights laws 'blocking terror fight'</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br>Press Association <br>Wednesday August 10, 2005 10:18 PM<br><br><br>Human rights laws are standing in the way of attempts to crack down on terrorists, a retired senior judge has said.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Gerald Butler QC said that post-July 7 Britain was no longer in a "normal" state where human rights legislation was always beneficial.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>"In normal times I have no doubt it would be an excellent thing ... but these are not normal times," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.<br><br>"And what is happening here is that this legislation, to some extent, is standing in the way of the kind of measures we do need to deal with the dreadful threat we face."<br><br>The former presiding judge at London's Southwark Crown Court, who was picked to hold last year's inquiry into the 1981 New Cross fire which killed 13 black youngsters, said it was wrong to "force" judges to make political decisions.<br><br>His comments came as Tory leader Michael Howard repeated calls to see the Human Rights Act repealed or amended, adding that other European countries were better equipped to tackle terrorism because their judges left key decisions to the politicians.<br><br>"The whole problem has been made much more difficult and much worse by the Human Rights Act which has drawn our own judges into this political field," he said.<br><br>"The Act, I believe, was a mistake; I think it should either be amended or repealed.<br><br>"While we have it in its present form, if we are effectively to confront the great danger the country faces, judges ought to use their powers with restraint."<br><br>Mr Howard added: "There's been a lot of comment about the ways in which governments in France and Spain, both of which are subject to the European Convention on Human Rights, have been able to deal much more robustly with the terrorist threat."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>The Human Rights Act was always a sham, what with the missing Article 13 and the Treason Felony Act. Britons always were subjects with no rights against the Old Slag.<br>Now they can't even bother to maintain the fiction. <p></p><i></i>
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What do others think?

Postby antiaristo » Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:50 pm

I post this without comment.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:medium;">London bombings: the truth emerges</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br>By Jason Bennetto and Ian Herbert <br>Published: 13 August 2005 <br><br>The suicide cell that killed 52 people on 7 July is not linked to those alleged to be behind the second London attacks on 21 July, according to the initial findings of the biggest anti-terrorist investigation held in Britain. <br><br>An investigation into the four suicide bombers from the first attacks and the people alleged to be behind the July 21 plot has found no evidence of any al-Qa'ida "mastermind" or senior organiser. The inquiry involved MI5, MI6, the listening centre at GCHQ, and the police.<br><br>The disclosure that the July 7 team were working in isolation - and were radicalised by Mohammad Sidique Khan, the oldest man - has caused concern among anti-terrorist officers.<br><br>Police and MI5 fear it increases the chance that more "self-sufficient" units similar to the July 7 suicide cell are hiding in Britain. Anti-terrorist officers are worried by the evidence that previously unknown "clean skin" terror cells are forming in Britain with little or no help from abroad.<br><br>The alleged plotters behind the July 21 bomb incidents in London are thought to have been "copycats", targeting Tube trains and a bus.<br><br>The intelligence assessment was made in the past few days. "The key point is that the events are not connected," said one counter-terrorist source. "It appears they were self-contained, rather than being organised by some kind of mastermind.<br><br>"It is concerning that none were on the intelligence radar. There are quite probably others we do not know about out there. Over the past 10 years, we have been successfully disrupting a number of groups of people who could have carried out bombing attacks similar to those we have seen in the past few weeks."<br><br>"We can't disrupt them all. They only have to be lucky once - and they have been. At some point there will be another suicide or bombing group."<br><br>The intelligence agencies and the police have been trawling through telephone and computer records, e-mails, forensic evidence, and investigating friends and associates to build up a picture of the suicide bombers.<br><br>They have found that the July 7 cell, three of whom were of Pakistani background and came from the Leeds area, while the fourth was living in Buckinghamshire, did not conform to previous al-Qa'ida units.<br><br>A police source said: "All the talk about 'Mr Bigs' and al-Qa'ida masterminds looks like something from a film script at the moment. Of course, things could change if new intelligence comes through, but it looks increasingly as if these people were largely working on their own. It is not something we expected."<br><br>Meanwhile, an Egyptian chemist from Leeds who admits knowing two of the four-man suicide team - and left Britain a week before the attack - is still being investigated as a possible bomb-maker. The police are waiting for the results of forensic tests to discover whether his fingerprints or DNA was among the explosives and equipment found in a Leeds bomb-making factory and in a hire car used by one of the terrorists.<br><br>Magdi Mahmoud el-Nashar, the chemist, was released from custody in Egypt earlier this month, after three weeks of questioning by the police. Egyptian authorities said they found no evidence to link the former Leeds University student to the attack.<br><br>Intelligence officers now believe the four British-born suicide bombers - Shahzad Tanweer, 22, Hasib Hussain, 18. Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, and Germaine Lindsay, 19 - were probably organised and radicalised by the eldest bomber, Khan. The 30-year-old teaching assistant who, like Tanweer, spent three months in Pakistan before returning to Britain in February this year, may have been instructed in bomb-making techniques at a foreign camp. Alternatively it is thought that he could have been assisted in Britain or obtained information from the internet.<br><br>Senior police sources in West Yorkshire suggest that gyms and boxing clubs in Leeds - rather than mosques - were the key to the development of the young men into bombers.<br><br>It was at a gymnasium in Lodge Lane, Beeston, that Khan is thought to have begun radicalising the two younger Leeds-based men - Hussain and Tanweer.<br><br>Already an accomplished youth worker of 10 years' experience, he appears to have brought both Hussain and Tanweer to a gym established in the basement of the Hardy Street mosque, also in Beeston.<br><br>Khan was eventually forced to leave the gym at the Hardy Street and he set up another gym at the former Hamara youth centre in Lodge Lane, where he was noted for not allowing adults in while the boys were training. One of the remaining mysteries of the July 7 bombings is the link between Lindsay and the other three attackers. Lindsay hailed from Huddersfield, 20 miles away and, unlike Tanweer and Khan, he was not known to Hussain's family. Yet Lindsay's telephone number was stored in Hussain's mobile. Evidence of a recent link between Lindsay and Hussain is provided by Mr Nashar, who described how he and Lindsay met last October at the Leeds Grand Mosque, five miles from Beeston, where Lindsay had asked him to find him somewhere to live. He says he introduced Lindsay to the flat that eventually became the attackers' bomb factory.<br><br>* A memorial service for the victims of the July 7 bombings will be held at St Paul's Cathedral in London on 1 November. <br><br>The suicide cell that killed 52 people on 7 July is not linked to those alleged to be behind the second London attacks on 21 July, according to the initial findings of the biggest anti-terrorist investigation held in Britain. <br><br>An investigation into the four suicide bombers from the first attacks and the people alleged to be behind the July 21 plot has found no evidence of any al-Qa'ida "mastermind" or senior organiser. The inquiry involved MI5, MI6, the listening centre at GCHQ, and the police.<br><br>The disclosure that the July 7 team were working in isolation - and were radicalised by Mohammad Sidique Khan, the oldest man - has caused concern among anti-terrorist officers.<br><br>Police and MI5 fear it increases the chance that more "self-sufficient" units similar to the July 7 suicide cell are hiding in Britain. Anti-terrorist officers are worried by the evidence that previously unknown "clean skin" terror cells are forming in Britain with little or no help from abroad.<br><br>The alleged plotters behind the July 21 bomb incidents in London are thought to have been "copycats", targeting Tube trains and a bus.<br><br>The intelligence assessment was made in the past few days. "The key point is that the events are not connected," said one counter-terrorist source. "It appears they were self-contained, rather than being organised by some kind of mastermind.<br><br>"It is concerning that none were on the intelligence radar. There are quite probably others we do not know about out there. Over the past 10 years, we have been successfully disrupting a number of groups of people who could have carried out bombing attacks similar to those we have seen in the past few weeks."<br><br>"We can't disrupt them all. They only have to be lucky once - and they have been. At some point there will be another suicide or bombing group."<br><br>The intelligence agencies and the police have been trawling through telephone and computer records, e-mails, forensic evidence, and investigating friends and associates to build up a picture of the suicide bombers.<br><br>They have found that the July 7 cell, three of whom were of Pakistani background and came from the Leeds area, while the fourth was living in Buckinghamshire, did not conform to previous al-Qa'ida units.<br><br>A police source said: "All the talk about 'Mr Bigs' and al-Qa'ida masterminds looks like something from a film script at the moment. Of course, things could change if new intelligence comes through, but it looks increasingly as if these people were largely working on their own. It is not something we expected."<br><br>Meanwhile, an Egyptian chemist from Leeds who admits knowing two of the four-man suicide team - and left Britain a week before the attack - is still being investigated as a possible bomb-maker. The police are waiting for the results of forensic tests to discover whether his fingerprints or DNA was among the explosives and equipment found in a Leeds bomb-making factory and in a hire car used by one of the terrorists.<br>Magdi Mahmoud el-Nashar, the chemist, was released from custody in Egypt earlier this month, after three weeks of questioning by the police. Egyptian authorities said they found no evidence to link the former Leeds University student to the attack.<br><br>Intelligence officers now believe the four British-born suicide bombers - Shahzad Tanweer, 22, Hasib Hussain, 18. Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, and Germaine Lindsay, 19 - were probably organised and radicalised by the eldest bomber, Khan. The 30-year-old teaching assistant who, like Tanweer, spent three months in Pakistan before returning to Britain in February this year, may have been instructed in bomb-making techniques at a foreign camp. Alternatively it is thought that he could have been assisted in Britain or obtained information from the internet.<br><br>Senior police sources in West Yorkshire suggest that gyms and boxing clubs in Leeds - rather than mosques - were the key to the development of the young men into bombers.<br><br>It was at a gymnasium in Lodge Lane, Beeston, that Khan is thought to have begun radicalising the two younger Leeds-based men - Hussain and Tanweer.<br><br>Already an accomplished youth worker of 10 years' experience, he appears to have brought both Hussain and Tanweer to a gym established in the basement of the Hardy Street mosque, also in Beeston.<br><br>Khan was eventually forced to leave the gym at the Hardy Street and he set up another gym at the former Hamara youth centre in Lodge Lane, where he was noted for not allowing adults in while the boys were training. One of the remaining mysteries of the July 7 bombings is the link between Lindsay and the other three attackers. Lindsay hailed from Huddersfield, 20 miles away and, unlike Tanweer and Khan, he was not known to Hussain's family. Yet Lindsay's telephone number was stored in Hussain's mobile. Evidence of a recent link between Lindsay and Hussain is provided by Mr Nashar, who described how he and Lindsay met last October at the Leeds Grand Mosque, five miles from Beeston, where Lindsay had asked him to find him somewhere to live. He says he introduced Lindsay to the flat that eventually became the attackers' bomb factory.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article305547.ece">news.independent.co.uk/uk...305547.ece</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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What do others think?

Postby Anonymous » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:33 pm

* Clarke believes bombings linked *<br>It would be "very, very surprising" if the two sets of London bombings were not connected, says Home Secretary Charles Clarke.<br>Full story:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/1/hi/uk_politics/4155322.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/1/...155322.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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First Leak?

Postby antiaristo » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:02 pm

<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:medium;">Mistakes led to tube shooting</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>8.25PM, Tue Aug 16 2005<br><br><br>ITV News has obtained secret documents and photographs that detail why police shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead on the tube. <br><br>The Brazilian electrician was killed on 22 July, the day after the series of failed bombings on the tube and bus network. <br><br>The crucial mistake that ultimately led to his death was made at 9.30am when Jean Charles left his flat in Scotia Road, South London. <br><br>Surveillance officers wrongly believed he could have been Hussain Osman, one of the prime suspects, or another terrorist suspect. <br><br>By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body. <br><br>The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed. <br><br>He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper. <br><br>He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police had agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran. <br><br>A document describes CCTV footage, which shows Mr de Menezes entered Stockwell station at a "normal walking pace" and descended slowly on an escalator. <br><br>The document said: "At some point near the bottom he is seen to run across the concourse and enter the carriage before sitting in an available seat. <br><br>"Almost simultaneously armed officers were provided with positive identification." <br><br>A member of the surveillance team is quoted in the report. He said: "I heard shouting which included the word `police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket. <br><br>"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 officers. I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side. <br><br>"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage." <br><br>The report also said a post mortem examination showed Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, but three other bullets missed, with the casings left lying in the tube carriage. <br><br>Police have declined to comment while the mistaken killing is still being investigated.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.itv.com/news/index_1677571.html?image=1">www.itv.com/news/index_16...ml?image=1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Why the leak?

Postby antiaristo » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:21 pm

I'm sorry but this is out of sequence.<br>I now see why the leak came today.<br><br>On Saturday 17 August the Daily Mail published this<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:medium;">NO CCTV TO REVEAL WHY POLICE SHOT BRAZILIAN</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br>by Stephen Wright - Chief Crime Correspondent<br>UK - Daily Mail Saturday 13th August, 2005<br>50% of Page 11 - again NOT included on the Daily Mail web site.<br><br>Scotland yard came under renewed pressure last night as doubts grew over its account of the killing of an innocent man mistaken for a suicide bomber.<br>Details have emerged which undermine the force’s claims that officers had no alternative but to shoot Jean Charles de Menezes.<br>The revelations are a blow to the Metropolitan Police, which is expected to pay more than 500,000 compensation to his family.<br><br>In the aftermath of the shooting, it was claimed that Mr de Menezes, a Brazilian, vaulted over a ticket barrier and sprinted down the escalators to escape police. The 27-tear-old electrician was also said to have refused to surrender and to have been wearing a bulky winter coat.<br>But it has now emerged that:<br>Mr de Menezes used an Oyster travel card to go through the ticket barriers.<br>Initially, at least, he walked to the platform.<br>It is believed the officers did not properly identify themselves before opening fire.<br>he was not wearing a heavy jacket.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>It has also emerged that CCTV footage of the shooting, which could have been vital to an inquiry, will not be available because most of the security cameras at Stockwell Tube station, South London, were</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/i][/b].<br><br>This will come as a severe disappointment to Mr Menezes’s family, who had hoped that security footage would prove officers had no reason to open fire. It is also likely to fuel claims that the public were misled over the events leading up to Mr Menezes’s death.<br><br>In the aftermath of the July 7 and 21 attacks in London, Police seized thousands of CCTV tapes from the capital’s Underground and rail system. The CCTV blunder at Stockwell means <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>investigators will now have to rely on witness testimonies and the accounts of police officers.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Mr de Menezes was shot eight times - seven times in the head - on July 22.<br><br>Three plain clothes officers followed Mr de Menezes after he came out of a block of flats in Tulse Hill, South London, where police believed one of the failed July 21 bombers Lived. They tailed him for several miles before he arrived at Stockwell Tube station.<br><br>It is understood that the officers were given strict instructions that the suspect should not be allowed to get on the Underground.<br>When he got on a train, Mr de Menezes, who had no connection to terrorism but may well have been afraid of having to answer questions about his immigration status, was pinned down and shot. The senior officer in charge on the day of the shooting, Commander Cressida Dick will face questions about the decisions made in the run-up to the incident.<br><br>It is understood that once the officers went underground, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>they lost radio contact with Scotland Yard and the decision to open fire had to be taken by the pursuers.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The First Commander Dick knew of the shooting was a terse radio message which said: ‘Man down.’<br><br>The Independent Police Complains Commission is investigating Mr de Menezes’s death. Sources close to the case say the operation which led to the shooting was hampered by ‘communication problems and misunderstandings’ between undercover police, marksmen and senior officers.<br><br>The commission is assessing whether rules for dealing with suspected suicide bombers were complied with, and whether Mr de Menezes was killed lawfully. An inquest will also be held into the death, which has raised widespread concerns about the police’s ‘shoot to kill policy’. Insiders say the case shows guidelines for tackling suspected suicide bombers, code named Operation Kratos, are unworkable.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Kratos is based on the theory that shooting a bomber in the head is the only way to ensure his device is not detonated.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Senior police officers have described Mr de Menezes death as a ‘tragedy’ but say they have <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>no option but to continue with the policy.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->Last night, it emerged that the officer who killed Mr de Menezes is due to <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>return to work</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in the next week after being sent on a free holiday by his force. The unidentified marksman will not be on frontline duties pending the outcome of the commission’s investigation.<br><br>Two weeks ago, a senior Metropolitan Police officer flew to Brazil to offer compensation to Mr de Menezes’s parents.<br>John Yates, a deputy assistant commissioner at Scotland Yard is thought to have agreed to make an initial payment - running into thousands of pounds. The offer was ex-gratia, meaning it will not affect the final amount paid. Some legal experts believe the force could end up paying up to 570,000 in damages.<br><br>a London Underground spokesman last night refused to discuss the CCTV blunders at Stockwell, saying he was unable to comment on individual stations for security reasons.[/i]<br><br>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<br><br>The next day, also in The Mail on Sunday<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:medium;">Innocent Brazilian was shot by TWO officers</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br>By Christopher Leake and Martin Smith<br>UK - Mail on Sunday 14th August, 2005<br>50% of Page 10 - again NOT included in their web site.<br><br>The innocent Brazilian killed by police after being mistaken for a suicide bomber was shot by two officers, the Mail on Sunday can reveal.<br><br>It was originally thought only one marksman was involved in the death of 27-year-old Jean Charles de Menezes.<br><br>But it has now emerged that the seven bullets to his head and one in the shoulder were fired by two guns.<br><br>last night a source close to the case confirmed: ‘There were, in fact, two policemen who fired the fatal shots.’<br><br>The tragedy happened on July 22 after Mr de Menezes, an electrician left a block of flats at Tulse Hill, South London, where police believed one of the failed Tube and bus bombers from the previous day had been living. Three plain clothes officers tailed Mr de Menezes for several miles before he arrived at Stockwell Tube station. As he got to a train Mr de Menezes was pinned down and shot from close range.<br><br>‘Why was CCTV at Tube not working properly?’<br><br>In a separate development it was claimed yesterday that CCTV footage of the shooting, vital to the enquiry into his death, will not be available because most of the cameras at the station were not working.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Tube Lines, the company responsible for the maintenance of CCTV on the Underground ,denied the allegation, saying its cameras at Stockwell were working on July 22.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>The police have already stated that 24 hours before Mr de Menezes was shot, three of the four bombings suspects had assembled at the station at 12.25pm, suggesting they had confirmation of that fact from security cameras.<br><br>Last night both Scotland Yard and London Underground refused to comment on whether cameras had been used to identify the suspects. And the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) which is investigating Mr de Menezes’s death, said only: ‘We have all the evidence that is available.’<br><br>But Harriet Wistrich, the lawyer representing Mr de Menezes’s family told the Mail on Sunday: ‘It beggars belief that there was no CCTV at Stockwell Tube station at a time when London is on a high security alert. Ever since 7/7 every station should have been fitted with CCTV cameras and they should have been working properly. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It begs the question whether we are being given a true and accurate picture of the evidence available.’</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>The two officers who shot Mr de Menezes - from the Yard’s elite firearms unit, SO19 - face possible prosecution for murder or manslaughter when the investigation is complete. The IPCC’s report, which will take months to compile, will be sent to the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Crown</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> prosecution Service. The CPS will decide if the officers should be taken to court. An inquest will also be held.<br><br>The day after the shooting it was claimed that Mr de Menezes vaulted over a ticket barrier and sprinted down escalators to escape police. He was also said to have refused to surrender and to have been wearing a bulky winter coat. But it has now been disclosed by witnesses that he used an Oyster travel card to pass through the ticket barrier, and that, at first, he walked to the platform.<br>It is believed the officers did not properly identify themselves to him. Also, he was not wearing a heavy jacket which might have hidden a potential suicide bomb.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>The Keystone cops were exemplary compared to this lot.<br>Can you really believe that?<br>Or is this the "cockup" theory, so no-one is to blame?<br><br>I submit Operation Kratos went to plan. And that it is in the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>cover-up</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> that they have made the cock-up. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Loftus: London bombing mastermind is MI6 agent

Postby Col Quisp » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:43 pm

See also this article:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4157892.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4157892.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The message is: If you see a subway getting ready to pull out of a station, don't run for it. You'll be shot in the head 8 times. <p></p><i></i>
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Cover-up in progress

Postby Starman » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:58 pm

Antiaristo posted:<br>"The day after the shooting it was claimed that Mr de Menezes vaulted over a ticket barrier and sprinted down escalators to escape police. He was also said to have refused to surrender and to have been wearing a bulky winter coat. But it has now been disclosed by witnesses that he used an Oyster travel card to pass through the ticket barrier, and that, at first, he walked to the platform.<br>It is believed the officers did not properly identify themselves to him. Also, he was not wearing a heavy jacket which might have hidden a potential suicide bomb.<br><br>The Keystone cops were exemplary compared to this lot.<br>Can you really believe that?<br>Or is this the "cockup" theory, so no-one is to blame?<br><br>I submit Operation Kratos went to plan. And that it is in the cover-up that they have made the cock-up. "<br>--unquote--<br><br>This makes me sick.<br>Who the FUCK made the initial reports about Mr. Menezes vaulting the turnstile and wearing a bulky coat?<br>THAT seems to be a fundamental point where a likely cover was being fabricated -- <br><br>Also, the utter lack of accurate details all thru this debacle-- we now find two shooters and a communication cock-up, and serious questions about whether or HOW could the critical CCTV cameras be non-functioning? That just stinks, even all the way across the atlantic and the USA to the west coast.<br><br>Is there still question about total shots fired?<br><br>And Mr Menezes being in his seat, sitting, when he was called, stood-up, grappled and brought back into his seat, and cold-bloodedly executed -- what a major balls-up tragic fuck-up.<br><br>I think the stone-walling is deliberate, to allow public interest and attention to fade. What is the public mood there? Are they still outraged?<br><br>And how STOOOPID -- They didn't enter the flats on a search-warrant, instead tried to play-along to try to maximize intelligence, but because their system was so bolloxed, an innocent man was snuffed-out. How incredibly inept. Downright inexcusable.<br><br>Utterly appalling.<br><br>Of course, we're familiar with incredible official duplicity and hidden-agenda and counter-purposes, with extra-legal assassinations and false-flag ops that horribly kill and maim, justified by outrageous claims of 'national security' and covered-up by a variation of State Secrets privelege -- but to see such a public display of mendicity and misfeasance resulting in murder really shows what the stakes are, they're REAL and TERRIBLE.<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Loftus: London bombing mastermind is MI6 agent

Postby Al Gomas » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:15 am

Waldo bin Bush...Hahahahahahahaha. That is priceless and I am going to pass it along<br>.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Premeditated Murder

Postby antiaristo » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:29 am

Time to resurrect this.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Anthony Larkin<br>Submitted by a very observant reader! <br><br>Remember Anthony Larkin? <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man appeared to be wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out". <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706913.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706913.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Commuter Anthony Larkin, who was also on the train at Stockwell station, told 5 Live he saw police chasing a man. <br><br>"I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting 'get down, get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two shots being fired." <br><br>................................. <br><br>I wonder if this is the same guy: <br><br>www.cmr.qmul.ac.uk/cmrpeople.php?uid=130 (Accessible via a Google search for Anthony Larkin, cached page) <br><br>Mr Tony Larkin <br><br>Lead scientist, MET police. Forensic scientist <br>Tel: <br>Location: Mile End, , <br>Email: <br>Expertise: Forensic Science <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.scotsman.com/headlines.cfm?id=211762005">news.scotsman.com/headlin...=211762005</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>Anthony Larkin, the lead evidence recovery scientist with the Metropolitan Police, said an attempt had also been made to wash the blood out of the boot of the white Nissan Almera. <br><br>...Mr Larkin, 38, said he had carried out more than 400 crime scene investigations and more than a dozen cases where bodies had been transported in car boots. <br><br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>Seems clear enough to me. Shame WRH pulled it. <p></p><i></i>
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