Nico Haupt's 7/7 Timeline

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Nico Haupt's 7/7 Timeline

Postby proldic » Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:22 pm

if it hasn't been posted yet:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?9.879">www.team8plus.org/forum_v....php?9.879</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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What a great link

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:35 pm

Thanks, Proldic,<br><br>I have cross-linked it to "de Menezes execution".....<br><br>Pam <p></p><i></i>
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Haupt vs. Kubiak: You Decide

Postby proldic » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:17 pm

This response from David Kubiak to Nico Haupt's 21 questions is now making<br>the rounds. <br><br>Nico,<br><br>Am currently traveling in India and have been rather gratefully out of<br>touch with the doings of the Empire and the 24/7 rattle of manufactured<br>news, propaganda and internet tirades. Occasionally do stop in a<br>sweltering cybercafe to check the email spew and find you have been busy<br>disgracing thyself again with astonishingly goofy smear attacks.<br><br>Let me begin by stating that since your first year or two of rather<br>admirable work, I have watched you devolve into an increasingly credulous<br>twit ? always earnest, often adorable, but a twit nonetheless. I see from<br>the screeching interrogation below, however, that you now aspire to the<br>ranks of Torquemada, Robespierre and the House Un-American Activities<br>Committee.<br><br>I guess it was inevitable that as the 9/11 movement widened we would<br>develop our own fundamentalist fringe who would happily crucify anyone who<br>did not share their brittle dogma and effectively splinter us from within.<br>"Don't believe in holograms, pods, Pentagon missiles, America's Manifest<br>Destiny, papal infallibility or the Virgin Birth? Would you prefer the<br>rack, the garrote or a good old fashioned 'guilt by tertiary association'<br>assassination smear?"<br><br>In earlier US movements these radical purist provocateurs were often well<br>paid mercenaries, and many Pinkerton and cointelpro agents, for example,<br>got quite decent dental plans. I know you well enough to realize you are<br>not working for "them" in this regard, but think if you started handing<br>out your recent resume you might find some surprisingly appreciative<br>recognition and compensation thrown your way.<br><br>In any event, Nick Levis was wise and right to ignore you since there is<br>real work going on, but I have a little time on my hands right now, so<br>will humor your Monty Python reprise of the Grand Inquisitor's stance.<br><br>First off, I should clearly say that I am not writing on behalf of<br>911truth.org or any members thereof. These are all quite personal<br>reflections on the pathetic internecine war now going on, and why if Rove<br>is not paying you now, he's a bungling ingrate of the first order.<br><br>Regarding 911truth.org, however, there are a few things I can say. One is<br>that we chose quite consciously and early on, that capital punishment for<br>treason was quite sufficient justice for our cause. LIHOP was treason,<br>MIHOP was treason, so we really didn't care if we hung the bastards with a<br>six or twelve foot rope as long as all the relevant feet twitched in the<br>air.<br><br>All that concerned us was building the case, outrage and public support<br>necessary to achieve this task. Unmasking the fraud of 9/11 was not only<br>critical to halting fascist consolidation and the accelerating war<br>machine, it also stripped bare the malignant roots of the entire corporate<br>coup d'état. In other words, it offered a teachable moment to awaken the<br>fat, dumb and hapless populace to the scale of bipartisan perfidy and<br>corruption now running the spectacle we see.<br><br>The peculiar virtue of the current crowd was their overt corporate<br>codependence, documented aspirations for full spectrum dominance, total<br>reliance on fear-driven obedience, and obvious ruthlessness toward anyone<br>or thing that dared stand in their way. Exposing and hanging them would<br>not simply gratify the thirst for justice, it could educate an entire<br>generation to the murderous corruption that has usurped our democracy<br>since Kennedy's death and now is nearing global control.<br><br>That is the real issue at hand, not the posturing of a half-retarded,<br>fully scripted Howdy Doody dolt like Bush, not even the bloody conquest of<br>a few oil-rich lands, and certainly not your stupid and self-righteous<br>litmus tests about which 9/11 scenarios are canonical and which are not.<br><br>9/11 was just another means to the long sought end of monotonic economic<br>dominance of every inch of earthly life. It has succeeded thus far, and<br>will continue to as long as you insist on turning the issue into dogmatic<br>religious cult. September 11 was not just a cold-blooded overreach, it was<br>critical instrument of global dominion, greed and war. We can only redeem<br>and reverse its meaning by reverently exploiting it to wake the world.<br>This is a painful purging process and demands more sustained courage and<br>effort from the American public than we have ever witnessed before. We<br>have seen such popular heroism recently in the Philippines, Chiapas and<br>Eastern Europe so we know it is humanly possible, but we also know that<br>fear, ignorance and disinformation here are more powerful than ever too.<br><br>We in the movement all know how central 9/11 now is to maintaining fear,<br>centralizing control and terminating democracy, and that is why so many of<br>us virtually destroyed our lives to see this education, discovery and<br>contagious awakening process through. That is why it is so inexpressibly<br>annoying to have to deal with ankle-biters like thee who are far more<br>concerned with 9/11's tactical trivia than world engulfing holocaust those<br>murders put in play.<br><br>In any event, if only for the benefit of your extensive cc list, quite a<br>number of whom I do respect, let us now repair to the thumbscrew room<br>where I shall gladly give you all the facts you seek (plus a few editorial<br>ejaculations regarding the quality of your work).<br><br>You wrote:<br><br>:: David Kubiak,<br><br>:: it's time to finally speak out and please don't send your backers to do<br>the dirty work for you.<br><br>:: There is some serious background information about 911truth.org and now<br>you have the opportunity to speak out in front of other popular 9/11<br>researchers, -authors and -activists. Your final answers will be mirrored<br>here: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7803">bellaciao.org/en/article....ticle=7803</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>:: Please keep in mind, that 911truth.org member Nic Levis aka Jack<br>Riddler didn't respond on any of these informations yet and only tried to<br>distract with logistical issues of your so called "9/11 truth protest<br>march" and instead stated, that i fabricated facts.<br><br>:: So let's go through these facts step by step by answering the following<br>questions:<br><br>:: 1) Are you still in touch with Russ George, who presented seminars at<br>U.S. Secretary of the Navy, NASA Space Power Division, Los Alamos National<br>Laboratory, The Naval Research Laboratory, Lockheed Martin Corporation and<br>other military organizations?<br><br>Answer) I am not only still in touch with him, I am working with him to<br>make two projects happen that would help end global warming and terminate<br>the rule of energy corporations and dependence on fossil fuel. All this<br>activity is documented in some detail at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://planktosinc.com">planktosinc.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> and<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://d2fusion.com.">d2fusion.com.</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Russ's unpaid lectures to the above organizations were about his cold<br>fusion work and essentially warned them that this new phenomenon would not<br>only change the world of physics, it would unrecognizably alter their<br>political, economic and security environments as well. He was rarely if<br>ever invited back.<br><br>Interogatee Editorial Observation (IEO): You are a twit.<br><br>:: 2) You worked with Professor Dr. Y.C. Zhang at the Tsinghua University.<br>Are you aware, that this University received donations by the James Baker<br>Institute and their Micro-Nuclear Technology research?<br><br>A) I knew, assisted and still greatly admire Dr. Zhang at Osaka University<br>where she was doing all the instrument engineering and experimental design<br>for Dr. Yoshiaka Arata, Japan's foremost hot fusion physicist who had gone<br>rogue and was then doing cutting edge research in cold fusion at the time.<br>I helped them with their English correspondence, journal report editing,<br>and getting their work replicated in foreign labs.<br><br>And are you really not aware, Nico, that virtually every major university<br>on the planet has received questionable funding from some very unsavory<br>hands at some point in time?<br><br>IEO: You are a dolt.<br><br>:: 3) Can you explain in one sentence, why this "cold fusion" research is<br>from any pratical use and how can you assure an independent research, not<br>abused by any military influence?<br><br>A) By 2010 cold fusion reactors the size of dishwasher will offer every<br>household in the industrial world a clean, cheap and totally decentralized<br>source of heating and electrical power. Larger community facilities will<br>electrolyze water into oxygen and hydrogen offering pollutionless<br>vehicular fuel, and can also be used to cheaply power recycling<br>facilities, public transport systems and seawater desalinization plants.<br>This breakthrough will not only end our foreign fossil fuel dependence and<br>forestall the imminent water crisis, it will shatter the economic and<br>political power of our dominant energy corporations, and return an<br>extraordinary measure of autonomy to communities around the world.<br><br>I can't guarantee the military won't try to abuse it anymore than I can<br>assure you they won't try to abuse the power of the computer, internal<br>combustion or the washing machine.<br><br>IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language and<br>research disserve us all.<br><br>:: 4) Have you ever been in touch with japanese intelligence or<br>-intelligence contractors or US intelligence or -intelligence contractors?<br>What about military contractors?<br><br>No.<br><br>IEO: You are a twit.<br><br>:: 5) How was 911Citizen's Watch able to rent space in the very same<br>building, when the first meeting of the 911 Commission took place? Did the<br>connection of some 9/11 family members help and if so, who was it?<br><br>A) They cunningly looked in the phone book, called up the building rental<br>office, and rented the room just as you or anyone with $1200 could have<br>done that day.<br><br>:: Did the connection of Guy Vantresca (ex-NSA) help? Is Guy Vantresca<br>still in touch with 911truth.org?<br><br>A) Guy has never "been in touch with" or had anything to do with<br>911truth.org (although he did help me buy a computer cable once).<br><br>:: (In case you wanna refer to Kyle Hence to answer this, it's your<br>choice, though Hence is still connected with 911truth.org via registration<br>and public events)<br><br>A) Kyle remains an important ancestral spirit of 911truth.org, and through<br>his C-SPAN work, web networking, and impeccable event organizing has done<br>more to open up the public mind to 9/11 skepticism than you will ever<br>comprehend.<br><br>IEO: You are a dolt.<br><br>:: 6) Can you explain, why the "support" of the following persons who<br>signed your 'truth petition', are helpful for 911truth.org and the 9/11<br>truth movement?::<br><br>:: Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D.-a member of the ultra-hawkish neocon think<br>tank, Committee on the Present Danger, whose honorary chair is George<br>Shultz (Bechtel). Jim Garrison, Ph.D.-founder of the State of the World<br>Forum with Mikhail Gorbachev and co-founder with Jesuit Daniel Sheehan of<br>the Christic Institute, which was widely suspected of deliberately<br>bungling and wrecking Iran-Contra investigations in the 1980s.<br><br>:: John Gray, Ph.D., -associated with weapon dealer Adnan Khashoggi<br><br>:: Daniel Ellsberg, ex-RAND Corporation employee, who's supportive of<br>official negligence spin of 9/11<br><br>:: Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, who's supportive of official<br>negligence spin of 9/11<br><br>:: Melvin Goodman, former Senior Analyst, CIA, who's supportive of<br>official negligence spin of 9/11<br><br>:: Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under<br>Nixon, Ford, and Carter. New Hampshire venture finance tycoon Goulder was<br>the founder of defence electronics giant Sanders Associates which was<br>acquired by Lockheed/Martin in the 1980s and is now known as BAE Systems.<br><br>:: John Cobb, Ph.D., associated with Club of Rome member and former World<br>Bank economist, Herman Daly (Daly has also worked with the U.S.<br>Sustainable Population Policy Project).<br><br>:: Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., co-author of a 1974 report from Stanford Research<br>Institute together with Willis Harman and Duane Elgin (Club of Rome). One<br>of SRI's main funding sources is Bechtel (as in, George Shultz's Bechtel).<br><br>:: David Korten, joined the new generation of Club of Rome.<br><br>A) The 9/11 Truth Statement was a call for a new criminal investigation<br>that outlined a list of dramatic indications that the official story was a<br>pack of lies and government foreknowledge and complicity were quite<br>apparently involved.<br><br>We then threw it out to a suprapartisan audience of non-movement figures<br>who had nothing personal to gain from publicizing this demand. We were<br>just trying to demonstrate that 9/11 skepticism had escaped the sweaty<br>basements of usual suspect paranoia and pave the way for ordinary people<br>from every political and religious persuasion to feel safer expressing<br>their doubts and seconding the independent criminal inquiry demand.<br><br>We didn't give a damn who signed really as long as they believed the<br>official story was a fraud and were respected by a sizable constituency<br>whom 9/11 activists had no normal recourse to and we could thus hope to<br>finally reach.<br><br>IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose lazy and ignorant free association<br>witch-hunts disserve us all.<br><br>:: 7) Why did you stop supporting former 9/11 Truth presidential candidate<br>John Buchanan, after he was allegedly arrested by Secret Service?<br><br>I was John Buchanan's campaign manager during his NH GOP primary bid in<br>2004, bailed him out of jail in Florida, and sheltered him at my home for<br>several months after he was "allegedly arrested by the Secret Service."<br>When I'm home we talk on the phone at least twice a week and we remain<br>close friends to this day.<br><br>IEO: You are a twit.<br><br>:: <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Can you confirm, that you cancelled one speech from Lauren Moyet at<br>the DC "truth"-emergency conference and if so, why?<br><br>A) No, I can't because I didn't. Leuren was invited to lead off a Sunday<br>"Lethal Deceit" workshop on depleted uranium and to brief the afternoon<br>plenary on the state of the DU truth movement today, both of which she did<br>quite admirably. She was also our security backup for the Lafayette Park<br>event in case Sunny Miller, whom we had originally consulted regarding DU<br>and veteran issues, could not come.<br><br>IEO: You are a dolt.<br><br>:: 9) Why do you think, it's productive to let a 9/11 victim speak at the<br>anniversary march, who actually supports the official story? Donna Marsh<br>O'Connor, Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer.<br><br>A) Why do you think - when you can't even read the internet correctly, you<br>can read a person's heart? And why in hell would you ever think that Donna<br>Marsh O'Connor is a dupe or government apologist? Just because she doesn't<br>gush support for whatever dingbat theory you're pushing as flavor of the<br>month? Have you ever read her writings or noticed the passion and<br>precision with which she skewers the whole neocon cabal? Unlike your nerdy<br>tech obsessed approach to 9/11, she clearly comprehends the Big Picture of<br>what went down and the strategy in play. To call her an official story<br>supporter is an unimaginably imbecilic thing to say.<br><br>IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language and<br>research disserve us all.<br><br>:: 10) Do you believe that the current policy of 911truth.org can stop<br>fascism and a worldwar scenario between US, Russia and China?<br><br>I seriously doubt whether any current group's policy will forestall future<br>wars, cure cancer or stop the locusts eating Senegal. I do believe,<br>however, that opening more and more surprising windows on the workings of<br>the corporate coup could rouse enough old-fashioned patriotism to<br>overthrow this fascist crew. Despite often being labeled a lefty Green<br>myself, I somehow feel we're going to get most of our help in this effort<br>from totally apolitical mothers and the Libertarian right. The current<br>left just seems riddled with too many dogmatic ego freaks like your<br>eminently divisive self who are less concerned about the action or result<br>than where they stand in line.<br><br>IEO: You are a twit.<br><br>:: 11) Why did you not vote for a protest anniversary march to GROUND ZERO?<br><br>A) GZ is certainly a great crime scene and a vital place to teach some<br>facts, but it is also a truly sacred public tomb.<br><br>We have been asked repeatedly by victim families - many of whom support<br>our cause - to keep it peaceful, private and holy on just that single day.<br>I would wish to honor that sentiment, especially since silent grief and<br>questioning, even the simple repetition of "Why?" can often lead people<br>quite intuitively past denial and propaganda to quite deep perceptions of<br>the truth.<br><br>Besides I just don't see how another march could do anything new or<br>powerful or even useful at Ground Zero on that day. It could open new<br>fronts, however, if it took our outrage straight to the stupefaction<br>sustaining media and to the United Nations press corps whose members may<br>not know the full script yet but certainly see some bloody writing on the<br>wall.<br><br>IEO: You are a dolt.<br><br>:: 12) Why are Nafeez Ahmed, Peter Lance and Danny Schecter connected with<br>911truth.org, who actually support the official story of 9/11?<br><br>A) You are obviously operating in some parallel semantic universe if you<br>can uniformly label these guys as "official story supporters" with a<br>straight face. Just what is the Inquisition's current definition of<br>"official story" these days? And if these fellows were supporting it, why<br>would they be shouting for a brand new inquiry? The Kean/Zelikow<br>Commission supported the official story to the max, so if that was these<br>men's intent they should have shut up a year ago.<br><br>IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language and<br>research disserve us all.<br><br>:: 13) What is your personal view of controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, 7<br>and the missing or contradictory BTS records of the official flights on<br>9/11?<br><br>A) My personal view is that the physical case for demolition is virtually<br>undeniable, especially with Building 7, but the proponents of this view<br>have been excruciatingly lazy and/or unimaginative in following up on its<br>implications.<br><br>If the conclusion that science and logic lead them to is true, the<br>questions then quickly become the highly researchable issues of who, when<br>and how. Simply hollering "demolition" over and over in greater detail<br>does not advance our case an inch. Where are the researchers willing to<br>get off their computers and go out and solve this thing? There must be a<br>thousand supportive details and witness recollections lurking out there in<br>the streets, but most of our crowd is Google delimited, so we're going<br>nowhere on this front. The BTS questions are too conflicted and confusing<br>at this time with too many family members - some whom I trust - saying<br>they watched the planes take off.<br><br>IEO: You are a twit.<br><br>:: 14) What's your take on democracyNow!, ANSWER, United for Peace and<br>MoveOn.org, who are blocking the truth about 9/11? Why isn't there a<br>protest march against them, too?<br><br>A) Regarding 9/11 and the real war we face, I think they are all myopic,<br>weak and pathetic, but for four different reasons which I don't have time<br>here to explicate. When we finally turn the corner though, a few or all<br>will finally join our side, unlike the mainstream leviathans which are<br>structurally committed to the corporate coup. In fact some key players in<br>these groups are already on our side, but continue to keep their silent<br>distance because of the dingbat faction wars in our midst.<br><br>I don't generally believe in unity at any cost, but pretty damn soon all<br>9/11 activists who want to have a real effect are going to have to come<br>together and find some basic grounds on which we can agree. As mentioned<br>earlier, as long as that position recognizes treason - MIHOPish or<br>LIHOPesque, demands a fully empowered inquiry, and reveals the lethal<br>corruption of the coup at sufficient depth and breadth, I'm on board.<br><br>In other words, I really, really don't care what kind of hardware hit what<br>target, who was driving or what opportunistic bells & whistles were added<br>on. In my mind, they are all relatively trivial technical details well<br>downstream from the real crime which was the top level literal conspiracy<br>to a) let it come or b) bring it on.<br><br>IEO: You are a dolt.<br><br>:: 15) Why did 911truth.org support John Kerry, having been aware of<br>rigged e-voting machines and his past at Skull+Bones?<br><br>A) I may be having a senior moment, but can't for the life of me remember<br>us ever endorsing the Kerry ticket. He never offered more than a kinder,<br>gentler rape & pillage imperialism, was death on 9/11 truth, and served<br>the corporate oligarchy like a wholly owned obedient son.<br><br>IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly research disserves us all.<br><br>:: 16) Why did 911truth.org not look into the suspicious background of the<br>7/7 london attacks?<br><br>A) Because we are stretched so damn thin attending to America's coup and<br>destruction that explosive sideshows in London, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,<br>etc. are well beyond our current competence and ken.<br><br>IEO: You are a twit.<br><br>:: 17) Why did you write on 911truth.org, that "the next few months will<br>decide what, if any, September 11th truth will ever be revealed for many<br>years to come"?<br><br>I wrote that in the see/hear/report-no-official-evil wake of the 9/11<br>Commission hearings, predicting that if we the people did not start to<br>stir up some fierce demand for real truth, the 2004 political spectacle<br>would enshrine the Kean/Zelikow mythology as official reality for a long,<br>long time. It was offered in exhortative mode, not in resignation, and<br>introduced the Summer of Truth concept which thanks to the work of scores<br>of people generated a lot of inspiring events and earned a widely<br>gratifying response. In fact, I remember a lot of important NY<br>contributions in this period from Kyle, Nick, Cynthia McKinney, Sibel<br>Edmonds, John Judge, Indira Singh, Jenna Orkin, Les Jamieson, Sander<br>Hicks, Lennie Charles, Jimmy Walter, Alan Duncan, Bob McIlvaine, Jim<br>Ridgeway, most of our 911truth.org crew and many, many more, but I can't<br>recall a single bit of useful help at any point from you.<br><br>IEO: You are a dolt.<br><br>:: 1<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Why did 911truth.org allow, that David Ray Griffin wasn't allowed<br>to speak at the public Mckinney hearings? What about Morgan Reynolds? Why<br>wasn't he invited into the panel? Who took the decision for Paul Thompson,<br>who did not publicly speak out yet, that 9/11 was an Inside Job?<br><br>A) Will have to answer this one somewhat intuitively because sometimes the<br>logic and meaning of your charges get pretty dim, especially since we<br>didn't have anything to do with Cynthia's event except helping persuade<br>Mindy and Lorie to appear and finally speak their mind.<br><br>In any case, Griffin was not invited to McKinney's event because she was<br>starting off her 9/11 resurrection in softball mode to coax other<br>congressional sponsors on board. He is scheduled to speak at her all day<br>Congressional Black Caucus 9/11 briefing in September though, when she<br>will let loose with the bigger guns. Not sure about Reynolds situation.<br>You should probably ask him. Cynthia knew and trusted Thompson from<br>before, and he had already earned his own breakthroughs with Regan Books,<br>Air America, etc. If you can read through Paul's meticulous timelines and<br>not understand what he is doing and how infinitely more powerful it is<br>than your scream, shout and slander approach to turning public<br>consciousness around, then we seem to be involved in very different<br>enterprises.<br><br>IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language and<br>research disserve us all.<br><br>:: 19) Why do you allow a LIHOP/MIHOP diversion by Nic Levis, who<br>believes, that these labels can coexist with each other?<br><br>A) Because they can and do co-exist, sometimes in the very same people<br>(e.g., the Big Wedding crowd who believes that "we" knew when and where<br>"they" were coming with such precision, "we" decided to graft on some<br>bells & whistles of our own, like building demolitions, planted personal<br>effects, etc.) The overriding point that I feel obliged to keep belaboring<br>is that both are equally TREASONOUS!<br><br>We could prove LIHOP to a fair minded grand jury now. Winning a neocon<br>focused MIHOP indictment with the evidence now at hand is exceedingly<br>dubious. If both paths would gain us a capital crime proceeding with full<br>subpoena and discovery powers, why choose the most problematic way in?<br><br>This is where you really lose me, Nico, since it seems you care far more<br>that your half-baked theories are venerated than that justice might<br>finally be done. It's not good enough to hang the bastards and expose the<br>whole rotten establishment, they have to be hung with your own autographed<br>rope. Otherwise you will not lift a finger to help and indeed spend most<br>of your time attacking the prosecutor for inadequate shrieking zealotry.<br><br>IEO: You are a twit.<br><br>:: 20) What's the purpose of letting Ray McGovern (ex-CIA) speak at public<br>911truth.org events, who did not publicly speak out yet, that 9/11 was an<br>Inside Job?<br><br>A) Ah, this gets truly tiresome, bro, but let's just try this one more<br>time. The purpose of 911truth.org events is not to toe your highly<br>idiosyncratic ideological purity line, it is to draw new minds, resources<br>and energy into the anti-corporate fascist fray. Some approach that task<br>in different ways depending on their passion, knowledge and expertise.<br>McGovern brings us a lot of all three and has also read both of Griffin's<br>books and reveres him deeply. When or where he will announce his own<br>interpretation of events is entirely up to him, but given all that he has<br>sacrificed and the beating he has taken to expose the murderous hypocrisy<br>of this government, I feel that he has earned our trust and he sure as<br>hell has mine.<br><br>Those of us who had nothing to lose by following this path often forget<br>the complex equations others face when they try to maximize their impact<br>on this issue by maintaining some decent level of credibility.<br><br>IEO: You are a dolt.<br><br>:: 21) Who is payrolling David Kubiak, Nic Levis and 911truth.org? What's<br>your both regular jobs?<br><br>A) Well, Nick and I and several others are supposed to be payrolled by<br>911truth.org but that sweet fiction sort of burned out last September when<br>we poured all our meager resources into project work instead of feeding<br>the staff and our online fundraising never raised more than $4~5 hundred<br>per month. So I am approximately 7 months behind in rent to my mother no<br>less, though I now draw a small contingent salary from planktosinc.com<br>which got me over to India to look into some carbon forest restoration<br>work. Nick can speak for himself, but as far as I know his last real<br>paycheck was for organizing Jimmy Walter's NY gig last fall and believe he<br>now does odd-job translations and lives from hand to mouth.<br><br>911truth.org itself has only survived thanks to the volunteer passion of<br>its few remaining "staff." Its project events, like the DC Truth<br>Convergence, were entirely funded ? to the tune of $24 thou and change ?<br>with the help of the 60% of attendees who actually paid for their rooms<br>and registration and a few big private benefactors including a couple<br>doctors from NY and NJ and a couple of entrepreneurial truth advocates<br>from California. We are currently looking for some professional<br>fundraising help (20% mercenaries will do), because this is where we<br>clearly suck.<br><br>IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose lack of vision, humor and<br>generosity really truly disserves us all (and must make life pretty<br>deathly grim for you, too).<br><br>++++++++++++++++++++<br><br>OK, Robespierre, time's up. Allow me to re-insert my fingernails and bid<br>you fond adieu. Any further questions will be gladly answered same time,<br>same place, next year.<br><br>Meantime would recommend you study Uncle Karl Rove's "Master Course in<br>Character Attack" if you really want to improve your skills. Trying to<br>smear someone by linking them to someone else who once gave a speech or<br>took a leak in the Pentagon is a pretty amateur approach. You should have<br>gone after my mother who was scanning maps in the DC War Department from<br>'44 to '45. Since I was in fetal residence for half that time, that's some<br>mud that could really stick.<br><br>Yours since the womb in the war machine,<br><br>W. David K-<br><br>PS: Sorry for the repetitive IEOs but you are a pretty monotonous twit. <p></p><i></i>
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My take

Postby Peachtree Pam » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:56 pm

My take on Kubiak:<br><br>You are a petulant egomaniac whose lack of vision, humor and generosity really truly disserves us all (and must make life pretty deathly grim for you, too).<br> <p></p><i></i>
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oh he's much worse than a petulant egomaniac

Postby proldic » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:11 pm

Are you starting to see how this stuff goes down, Pam?<br>It's a classic scenario.<br><br>Re-read Kubiak's responses, and compare them to Nico's original questions.<br><br>Compare it to the responses Angie911 got from Griffin, et al.<br><br>Compare it to the responses I get on this board sometimes.<br><br>Nether me, Nico, or Angie are professionals, nor entirely emotionally stable (it's the cold and calm dispassionate ones I worry about). <br><br>But we are trying to bring the truth. <br>And those pretty-writing sophisticates like Kubiak are seen as credible, and we're the ones seen as wackadoos. Where's the fucking justice in that? <p></p><i></i>
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Too right

Postby Peachtree Pam » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:22 pm

Pro, <br><br>Nico Haupt is severely challenged in writing English, which he sometimes just translates literally in his head from German, and it seems there is no one helping to edit his thoughts into better English...but his heart is in the right place, his research is unrelenting and superb, and yes, I did note the careful ways in which this guy, whoever he is, ducked and dived around the questions. I would not trust him three centimeters... <p></p><i></i>
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