Qutb, don't duck this one (London Bombing)

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Qutb, don't duck this one (London Bombing)

Postby antiaristo » Sun May 14, 2006 9:37 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Sunday Times May 14, 2006 <br><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:medium;">Spies ‘hid’ bomber tape from MPs</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br>David Leppard and Richard Woods<br> <br> <br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:small;">MI5 is being accused of a cover-up for failing to disclose to a parliamentary watchdog that it bugged the leader of the July 7 suicide bombers discussing the building of a bomb months before the London attacks. <br><br>MI5 had secret tape recordings of Mohammad Sidique Khan, the gang leader, talking about how to build the device and then leave the country because there would be a lot of police activity. <br><br>However, despite the recordings, MI5 allowed him to escape the net. Tran*****s of the tapes were never shown to the parliamentary intelligence and security committee (ISC), which investigated the attacks</span><!--EZCODE FONT END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2179602,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art...02,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <br> Added on edit<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:medium;">how to build the device and then leave the country</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>A <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>suicide</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> bomber?<br><br><br><br>Important related thread<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm23.showMessage?topicID=65.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=65.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 5/14/06 9:02 am<br></i>
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Re: Qutb, don't duck this one (London Bombing)

Postby dbeach » Sun May 14, 2006 2:24 pm

11 and 13 being trigger numbers and combinations of 11 as in 7/7/05<br><br>Its not quite your topic BUT it has some connections<br><br>and of course 11/11/18 end of WW I Armistice signed on the 11 th hour of the 11 th day of the 11 th month.<br><br>and the date that shook many of us 11/22/63 . the killing of the King designed to truamatize a nation in same way as 9/11 and 7/7/05<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.911fraud.blogspot.com/">www.911fraud.blogspot.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>"The Pentagon is essentially the center of the Pentagram (1) and is prevalent in the street design of Washington DC itself (2). The ancient pyramid with illuminated eye of Horus (ancient architectural structure) on the back of the US Dollar Bill (3) is the very same struture that sits atop Israel's supreme court building (4) with 33 steps in front of it, the number of the Supreme Masonic Degree for which "Ordo ab Chao" (Order out of Chaos) (5) is the mantra.<br><br>But the aspect of occult ritualism I'm briefly going to address here, is occult numerology. Some time after 9/11, I became aware of allegations that not only was 9/11 an inside job but that ritualistic events, namely the execution of terrorist and military operations were being conducted on dates of occult numerological significance and that specific aspects of the events were also executed according to such numbers. I was already aware of the fact that Adolf Hitler waged his military campaigns according to occultism, as he was involved with many occult organizations not unlike our own political hierarchy throughout the world today.<br><br>So I began to study recent events and noticed patterns and relationships between alleged Al Qaida (The Base) attacks and attacks conducted by established governments across the world, namely by the Pentagon (The Base) in the War on Terror, now renamed in classic Orwellian Newspeak as "The Long War".<br><br>A handful of numbers keep presenting themselves in these attacks and other ritualistic events over and over again. For an interpretation of these numbers' meanings, click here. It is important to note that zeros (0) have no numerological significance and that a number's inverse - eg. 13/31, 39/93, 911/119 - is designated the same sacred value.<br><br>The numbers/inverses I'm going to address are as follows:<br><br>11<br>13/31<br>33<br>39/93<br>77<br>911/119<br>311/113<br><br>(911) 9/11/41, Ground Breaking Ceremony for the Pentagon<br><br>(911) 9/11/90, George Herbert Walker Bush declares the New World Order<br><br>(113 & 93) 2/26/93 (113 x 2 = 226), Initial World Trade Center bombing, FBI involvement<br><br>(11, 13, 39 inverse, 77, 911) 9/11/01, World Trade Center/Pentagon attacks, Bin Laden CIA<br>Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 [1+7+5=13] are used in the attacks<br><br>(311, 13, 911) 3/11/04, Madrid Spain bombings, bombers linked to Spanish Security Services<br>911 days between 9/11 and this date<br>13 bombs used in the attack<br><br>(77) 7/7/05, London England bombings, same number as flight (77) in 9/11 attack on Pentagon, Haroon Rashid Aswat MI6 agent<br><br>(11) 10/1/05, Bali Indonesia bombings<br><br>(911 inverse) 11/9/05, Amman Jordan bombings, US connection<br><br>(13, 33, 311 inverse) 11/30/05, Operation Iron Hammer (named after WW2 Nazi campaign)<br>13th expeditionary Unit used<br>33 insurgents reportedly arrested<br><br>(13, 13 inverse) 12/13/05, 1/31/06, Alan Greenspan raises interst rates for 13th consecutive time on December 13th, Schedules next fed meeting, his last for January 31st the following month<br><br>(311 inverse) 1/13/06, Damadola Pakistan bombing raid by CIA<br><br>(911 inverse) 1/19/06, Tel Aviv bombing, CIA releases first "Bin Laden" audio tape in years<br><br>(13) CIA releases audio tape of "Al Qaida" 2nd in command Ayman Al Zawhiri condemning the bombing of Damadola on 1/13/06 (13)<br><br>..and now the Jill Carroll Connection..<br><br>(13, 33, 39, 113) 2/26/06 (113 x 2 = 226), Jill Carroll [J=10 + C=3 is 13] set to be executed by the Brigades of Vengeance (B=2 + O=15 + V=22 is 39) on the 13th anniversary of the initial World Trade Center bombing.<br><br>Just like 13 bombs being used in the Madrid Train Bombings (a date which translates to 13) and the 13th Expeditionary Marine Unit being used in Operation Iron Hammer (a date which translates to 13), Jill Carroll, whose initials translate to 13 is set to be used today, a date which translates to 13."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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no answer....

Postby darkbeforedawn » Sun May 14, 2006 9:55 pm

Well dbeach, looks like he ducked!! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: no answer....

Postby dbeach » Sun May 14, 2006 9:59 pm

OSS = pre CIA<br>OS wald<br>OS ama<br><br>King George Bush the second = KGB II <p></p><i></i>
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Re: no answer....

Postby NewKid » Sun May 14, 2006 10:13 pm

Speaking of Oswald, why is it that nobody really talks about the Kennedy assasination and The Cloud That Lifted by Bluebird author Maurice Maeterlinck?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In this play a political leader by the name of Bielensky is murdered by unknown assailants. Either three or four shots are fired; the number is controversial. The mortal wound is received in the rape of the neck. Bielensky dies without regaining consciousness. The shots come from a garden wall near a thicket of aspens (the grassy knoll?). The victim had been receiving death threats, which he decided would not cause him to alter his routine. Further, the assassin-Axel Thorild-thought "he was serving his master and Holy Russia." He was a member of an underground political faction under surveillance by the secret police; he believed he killed Bielensky, but someone else takes the blame and commits suicide. Was Axel set up? Was he . . . a patsy?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sinister Forces at p 211.<br><br>DBD, dbeach et al., I think you guys need to check out this play. <p></p><i></i>
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M15 -AL-QAEDA -is there a difference?

Postby madeupname452 » Mon May 15, 2006 1:18 pm

M15 INFILTRATED BY AL-QAEDA<br><br>(Sunday Mirror Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge)TERRORISTS from al-Qaeda have infiltrated Britain's security services, the Sunday Mirror can reveal.<br><br>Bosses at M15 believe they unwittingly recruited the Muslim extremists after the July 7 suicide bombings in London last year which killed 52 people.<br><br>They were signed up as part of a drive to find more Muslims and Arabic speakers to work as spies to help prevent future attacks by Osama bin Laden fantatics.<br><br>Spymasters found some of the agents in Britain's universities and colleges and persuaded them to pass on information about suspected terrorists.<br><br>But a senior ministerial source has told the Sunday Mirror: "The truth is that it has now been discovered that some of those people have strong links with al-Qaeda.<br><br>"There was always a risk that with such a speedy and widespread recruitment some would turn out to be bad eggs.<br><br>"But the recruitment has meant we are now in a much better position to stop al-Qaeda attacks than we have ever been before. Several planned attacks have already been stopped thanks to the high quality of our intelligence." But the disclosure that suspected terrorists have infiltrated the security services will be a further embarrassment to Government Ministers.<br><br>They came under ferocious pressure last week after an official report claimed MI5 had failed to follow up vital leads before the July 7 bombings.<br><br>The report from the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) said greater coverage by M16 - Britain's overseas spies - in Pakistan and more manpower "might have alerted the agencies to the intentions of the July 7 group".<br><br>But MI5 director-general Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller is masterminding a campaign to hire hundreds more intelligence officers to the service.<br><br>She is looking for IT experts, technicians and language specialists to help monitor "traffic" via emails and phone calls between al-Qaeda terror cells across the world.<br><br>MI5 is also offering pounds 27,000 a year for "mobile surveillance officers" to follow targets who are part of "national security investigations".<br><br>But the service warns that its strict vetting process means it takes up to eight months to consider applications.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=10910">www.informationliberation.com/?id=10910</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Ducking

Postby professorpan » Mon May 15, 2006 6:31 pm

I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of "ducking" if they don't respond to your post/question... who knows how often Qutb checks this board. <br><br>I've had people do that to me... "See? Pan didn't answer." Not all of us slavishly hit refresh waiting for replies as if this was a live-chat room. And some people, such as myself, take extended breaks from our favorite boards to do things in the real world. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ducking

Postby antiaristo » Mon May 15, 2006 6:56 pm

pan,<br>Qutb has posted, so he is aware.<br>As for whether he is ducking, I'm agnostic.<br><br>The London bombings were that hot a subject that it merited its own category.<br><br>I was pushing the "Brits did it".<br>Qutb was pushing the official line.<br>Then the D-Notice came down. The flow of information dried up.<br>We lost interest. They outwaited us.<br>Two potemkin inquiries said nothing.<br>Then this comes out.<br><br>MI5 had him on tape. HE WAS ONE OF THEM.<br>MI5 - the all seeing eye.<br>He talked about getting away. IT WAS NOT A SUICIDE ATTACK.<br><br>Like I said all along. THE BRITS DID IT.<br><br>You're a great believer in evidence, I understand.<br>I thought I should bring this evidence to Qutb's attention.<br>Whether or not he takes it into account in forming his opinion, I have no idea. Like I said, I'm agnostic. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ducking no more

Postby Qutb » Tue May 16, 2006 2:24 pm

Hi there Anti old boy. I hadn't seen this, believe it or (more likely) not, until now. Thanks for posting, this is interesting.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"MI5 had him on tape."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>So it would appear.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"HE WAS ONE OF THEM."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Now this is where I don't follow you. How do you deduce this from the apparent fact that they kept him under surveillance?<br>Are the targets of intelligence agency surveillance usually agents of the agencies surveilling them?<br> <br>Interesting that he was talking about getting out of the country. Maybe he did, even? Who knows? I sure don't. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ducking no more

Postby antiaristo » Tue May 16, 2006 3:10 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ducking no more<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Qutb,<br>So DBD was correct, but you are ducking no longer?<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>How do you deduce this from the apparent fact that they kept him under surveillance?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Now now. If you hadn't ducked me all those other times we might have enjoyed the shared common knowledge base required to explore that question. Shame!<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Are the targets of intelligence agency surveillance usually agents of the agencies surveilling them?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not always. But the common link seems to be where they SUCCEED in destroying masses of innocent lives. The Israelies and New York; the Spanish Civil Guard and Madrid; MI5 and London. You can also add WTC I back in 1993.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Interesting that he was talking about getting out of the country. Maybe he did, even? Who knows? I sure don't<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->. <br><br><br>But but but....the official line, which you argued, is that he was a SUICIDE bomber. Whether or not he got away is your own diversion. What matters is that he INTENDED to get away, and so wasn't interested in suicide. Not even for seventy two virgins.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ducking no more

Postby Sepka » Tue May 16, 2006 6:24 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But but but....the official line, which you argued, is that he was a SUICIDE bomber. Whether or not he got away is your own diversion. What matters is that he INTENDED to get away, and so wasn't interested in suicide.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Unless I'm missing something, whether or not the bomber intended to die along with his victims seems of minor significance. Are you arguing that because he wanted to preserve his own life, that means that it was an MI5 job? I'm not trying to take you to task here - I'm honestly confused.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Reading between the lines on all of this.

Postby slimmouse » Tue May 16, 2006 6:34 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But but but....the official line, which you argued, is that he was a SUICIDE bomber. Whether or not he got away is your own diversion. What matters is that he INTENDED to get away, and so wasn't interested in suicide. Not even for seventy two virgins.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Reading between the lines here, I get the distinct impression that there are two forces at work within MI5 ( and probably all security services ).<br><br> On the one hand, theres a bunch of decent eggs, who, caught between a proverbial rock and a hard place ( A job entailing loyalty not as they had hoped to the people , but the to the powers that be ), but who realise the consequences of going against the grain so to speak; and on the other hand, a group either blindly, ignorantly or openly complicit with the aforesaid forces.<br><br> So we get leaks, and hints all the time, as if to try and scream out to the average soul - "Wake the fuck up".<br><br> Yin and Yan anyone ? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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The Purpose

Postby antiaristo » Tue May 16, 2006 6:38 pm

Sepka,<br>A non-comprehensive response, but I'll talk about Operation Kratos.<br><br>Fifteen days after the bombing a Brazillian man called Jean Charles de Menezes was assassinated on his way to work.<br><br>We were told a series of lies about him being a suicide bomber. How it was necessary to shoot-to-kill because he was a suicide bomber. We were told that the only way to deal with suicide bombers was to shoot them in the head.<br><br>De Menezes was shot in the head seven times at point blank range.<br><br>The politicians said it was a matter for the police.<br><br>The policy remains in place.<br>They can shoot whomever they wish in the head, anywhere in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.<br><br>Because they are protecting us from suicide bombers.<br><br>I wrote more than eight months ago that the British did the London bombings. I explained how Queen Elizabeth wanted an established precedent which allowed her SAS hit men to take out anybody who might threaten her in any way. That was a part of the purpose of the atrocity.<br><br>So you see the "suicide" part of "suicide bomber" has been crucial in furthering her plans. That's how she justifies shooting people in the head.<br><br>Now it turns out the "suicide" part is a fabrication.<br>Do you see? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reading between the lines on all of this.

Postby antiaristo » Wed May 17, 2006 8:03 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>On the one hand, theres a bunch of decent eggs, who, caught between a proverbial rock and a hard place ( A job entailing loyalty not as they had hoped to the people , but the to the powers that be ), but who realise the consequences of going against the grain so to speak; and on the other hand, a group either blindly, ignorantly or openly complicit with the aforesaid forces.<br><br>So we get leaks, and hints all the time, as if to try and scream out to the average soul - "Wake the fuck up".<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>slim,<br>You are spot on there. If you want a perfect example of what you say you should study what happened with Sir Kevin Tebbitt during the Hutton Inquiry into David Kelly's death. Tebbit tried hard to wake us up, and took a big risk in so doing. I knew what he had done, and at least tried to do something to help him<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>After what happened to myself and to Dr David Kelly, have you taken it upon yourself to look into the safety and well-being of the “unsound” Sir Kevin Tebbitt? Have you heard the pleas from the Kelly Family that this never be allowed to happen again? And what, apart from a sick sadistic pleasure, is the point of any further inquiry of any nature whatsoever when potential contributors are so wide open to the Windsors’ filthy homicidal Freemasons under the Treason Felony Act?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>Cleary to Michael Howard QC MP February 4, 2004 <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Purpose

Postby Sepka » Wed May 17, 2006 5:40 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Now it turns out the "suicide" part is a fabrication.<br>Do you see?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The people in charge of the operation aren't necessarily going to blow themselves up along with the bombers, though. The commanders, planners and bomb builders have specialized skills and training, and thus presumably have a higher value to their movement than do the ordinary bomb carriers. They'll be under orders to get out alive, and participate in future operations.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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