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Terror Expert: London Bomber was Working For MI5

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:53 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://propagandamatrix.com/articles/june2006/270606londonbomber.htm">propagandamatrix.com/arti...bomber.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br> Terror Expert: London Bomber Was Working For MI5 <br> Khan used as informant for security services <br><br><br> [2<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> [300106pjw.jpg] <br> Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 27 2006 <br><br><br> A noted terror expert has told the BBC that Mohammed Siddique Khan, the alleged ringleader of the 7/7 London bombings, was working for British intelligence agency MI5 as an informant at the time of the attacks. <br><br> [21]Charles Shoebridge is a 12-year veteran detective of the London Metropolitan Police, a former graduate of the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, and now a broadcaster and writer on terrorism in the UK. <br><br> Shoebridge told the BBC Newshour program that from the evidence little else can be assumed other than that Khan was working for British intelligence. <br><br> "The amount of information coming out and the quality of information coming out. The fact that that has been so consistently overlooked it would appear by the security service MI5, to me suggests really only one of two options." <br><br> "Either, a) we've got a level of incompetence that would be unusual even for the security services. But b) possibly, and this is a possibility, that this man Khan may even have been working as an informant for the security service." <br><br> "It is difficult otherwise to see how it can be that they've so covered his tracks in the interim." <br><br> SEE url to listen to the full interview. <br><br> During our coverage of the London bombings we [23]outlined how the attack was most likely constructed, using the patsies, described as nice guys with families and good jobs, in the capacity of role players testing security on the London Underground. <br><br> This meshes with the [25]inconceivable coincidence of exercises which drilled the same targets being attacked at the same time being conducted by Visor Consultants and eyewitness reports suggesting the accused displayed no behavior conducive with suicide bombers. <br><br> The alleged bombers bought return train tickets, left pay-and-display valid tickets on their cars in Luton, and their movements captured on CCTV gave no indications that they were nervous about their imminent deaths. Even [26]Metropolitan Police investigators now believe that the bombers were dupes set up by somebody else and didn't know they were carrying live explosives. <br><br> 7/7 links with British intelligence agencies don't end with Khan. <br> [27]Terror expert John Loftus told Fox News' Dayside show that alleged London bombing mastermind Haroon Rashid Aswat was an MI6 intelligence asset that British security helped protect and hide before the bombings. <br><br> Recent media reports concerning Khan's movements have brought to light evidence that [28]Khan's Honda Accord was bugged by MI5 prior to the bombings. Though denied by the Metropolitan Police, this would again sync with the supposition that Khan was doing the bidding of British intelligence when four bombs ripped apart three trains and a bus on July 7, killing 52 and injuring more than 770. <br><br> <br>References <br><br><br> 20. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://propagandamatrix.com/index.html">propagandamatrix.com/index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 21. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thecrimeconsultancy.com/cs.html">www.thecrimeconsultancy.com/cs.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 22. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://prisonplanet.com/audio/270606khan.mp3">prisonplanet.com/audio/270606khan.mp3</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 23. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/130705teneasysteps.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...ysteps.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 25. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...rcises.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 26. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/170705questions.html">www.prisonplanet.com/Page...tions.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 27. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Aug05/020805Aswat.html">www.infowars.net/Pages/Au...Aswat.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 28. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/display.var.808637.0.police_deny_b...">www.thisislocallondon.co...._deny_b...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 29. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=63...">blog.myspace.com/index.cf...ndID=63...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 30. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html">www.prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 31. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html">www.prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 32. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://propagandamatrix.com/donate.html">propagandamatrix.com/donate.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> 33. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://propagandamatrix.com/fair_use.html">propagandamatrix.com/fair_use.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Terror Expert: London Bomber was Working For MI5

Postby friend catcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:40 am

It's been the commonly held 'suspiscion' amongst many of the regular people I've talked to here. Think the sheer timing of it and subsequent discrepencies have left the odour of statecraft around the operation. Not sure if that's the common view in London, but most of the London people I spoke to at the time said they expected bombs and it "seemed like the old days" MSM is leading a 1 year anniversary splurge focusing on the physical injuries and losses whilst attempting to avoid analysis or genuine questioning. Endless coppers telling tales of foiled plots and dastardly schemes thwarted. They've kept Ian Blair away from the media for this shit as no one thinks he's worth listening to. <br>BBC is churning out Al Quaeda tried to infiltrate m15 rubbish with anonymous sources from security services. Person in charge of the BBC news is called Helen Boaden and is one serious New Labour leech as is the guardian/observer. Some of her responses to e-mail complaints are breathtaking in their vapidness. ie. Our embedded reporter at Fallujah saw no phosphorous or other nastiness etc. see <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.medialens.org/">www.medialens.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> for examples. I view bbc as an official extension of m15 and more and more are seeing it that way. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Terror Expert: London Bomber was Working For MI5

Postby sunny » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:42 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>using the patsies,... in the capacity of role players testing security on the London Underground.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Lord, is it ever thus. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Terror Expert: London Bomber was Working For MI5

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:14 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Either, a) we've got a level of incompetence that would be unusual even for the security services. But b) possibly, and this is a possibility, that this man Khan may even have been working as an informant for the security service." <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Ok I don't like saying this, as it goes against my own bias.<br><br><br>He says its a possibility. Not that he WAS working for them. BTW Informants are not necessarily going to be informing cos they like their masters, it can bew a useful way to protect your own interests.<br><br>Not that you can trust a dog anyway.<br><br>BTW The rest of the article is good enough on its own. Cept<br><br>{Miami 7, 7/7...<br><br>Just thinking.}<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Recent media reports concerning Khan's movements have brought to light evidence that [28]Khan's Honda Accord was bugged by MI5 prior to the bombings. Though denied by the Metropolitan Police, this would again sync with the supposition that Khan was doing the bidding of British intelligence when four bombs ripped apart three trains and a bus on July 7, killing 52 and injuring more than 770. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't understand why the bugging would sync with the supposition.<br>It might mean they thought he was up to something.<br>It might mean they were just keeping tabs on an informant.<br>It might mean anything. Maybe they were on to him and that info served their own agenda's.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Terror Expert: London Bomber was Working For MI5

Postby isachar » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:28 am

The case for this seems rather open and shut. There can be little doubt that the 7/7 tube/bus bombings were an act of synthetic psy-ops terror meant to cow the British populace to accept their place as an adjunct fascist police state.<br><br>The follow-on assassination of Menenzes (sp?), the innocent Brasilian electrician who was murdered by the British special ops assassin squad was meant to send a message to the public that they can and will get away with murder if they want. Similar in some respects the the follow on anthrax attacks in the U.S. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Terror Expert: London Bomber was Working For MI5

Postby friend catcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:51 am

I can't agree that Menzes was a planned operation. I doubt the boys at the top were overtly concerned about the consequences of the original bombing. Police confusion, with gung ho soldiers newly minted as armed police could as easily account for the murder as deliberate plotting. The two sets of bombings have glaring discrepencies within their narratives and very real benefactors whilst the stockwell shooting provides only weak theoretical benficiaries, The recent raid/shooting of the two bearded brothers in E.London has much more the fingerprint of deliberate policy. My view anyway.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Terror Expert: London Bomber was Working For MI5

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:47 pm

Sorry Friend, I can't disagree more! It didn't have to be Menendez but someone had to die. 11 shots to the head suggests an assasination team where one does the kill then passes the gun so that all are equally responsible. It's a method used by special forces so that no individual can be held responsible. If they're under orders to take this guy out they don't want their mates pointing the finger saying 'it was him' so they all take a few shots each. It protects them from those who gave the order.<br><br>They needed to kill to send a message (probably to us rather than Islamic extremists). The first thing I saw when I saw the news was that it sounds like street theatre or maybe underground theatre. Brutal and subtle at the same time. <p></p><i></i>
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oops, removed - posted in wrong thread <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=friendcatcher>friend catcher</A> at: 7/4/06 4:05 pm<br></i>
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Re: 11 shots to the head

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:14 pm

I dunno about the shooting of that brazillian on the train.<br><br>I was flying from melbourne to the Gold Coast on or about the date of the bombings, the were two Pommy backpackers behind me. They were slightly sus on it all. Not jumping into the outraged hurt "why us we are so perfect" that everyone was spouting after 911. Their attitude was oh well some arsehole blew up a bomb, nothing new there, we'll just get on with our lives.<br><br>Back in 1993, when I lived in Melbourne, the victoria n coppers shot 22 or 23 people in 3 weeks. In the first 6 months of a new Victorian Government run by Jeff Kennet. He made Maggie T look like Mother Theresa. He even privatised the air in Victoria<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>That was more people shot in 21 days than the entire History of the Victoria Police. (At least the officail history, but thats another story).<br><br>At the time the level of paranoia in the not so straight world was pretty high. We were all expecting that the cops could be shooting us at ant time. Now the paranoia was probably due in part to lifestyle factors, but it was also due to the fact that we were genuinely worried we might get shot.<br><br>Of course the company we kept and everything like that was a bit unwholesome, so this was actually a possibility. I remember being with a friend walking down the street as the coppers cruised past to hassle us. They saw him and drove off. When I said lets go someowhere a little less public, he said "Don't worry they saw me, they know they have to call the TRG (Tactical rersponse group), and are not allowed to approach me. I practically bolted off the street at that.<br><br>We were scared, my friend used to dream of coppers kicking in the doors and shooting everyone including her 2 yr old kid.<br><br>I can fully see the how the shooting of that Brazillian guy could fit into a paranoia induction mission. Especially as he wasn't particularly middle eastern or S Asian looking.<br><br>On the anti side, 11 shots does not necessarily mean anything deliberate. In the few unfortunate and ugly violence incidents I have seen where people are stabbed and stuff, there is a kind of frenzy the attacker goes into if they are not that cold about it. So someone planning to stab someone may end up inflicting 50 or 60 stab wounds in a frenzy. mainly cos of the state of mind they had to get to to be able to stab someone. This seems to be backed up by footage I have seen of attacks in gaols.<br><br>So perhaps one copper was so wound up paranoid and adrenalised that they lost the plot. It is IMO quite possible.<br><br>But the killing by coppers thing also has amazing effects on anyone that might consider themselves in a target group.<br><br>Thats everyone if the shooting was accidental.<br><br>Perhaps it was an attempt to counter the "brewing tea after the apocalypse" that many British people seem to have. That resiliance to get up and get on with life after some massive violent event. <p></p><i></i>
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Private advert in the Independent

Postby friend catcher » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:34 am

This placed in the independent:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>RELEASE THE EVIDENCE<br><br>One year on – a time for Truth.<br><br>London - July 7th 2005. A day of slaughter, tears and solidarity. 56 precious lives lost, hundreds are injured, traumatised, bereaved. All of us made less secure. Muslims suffer increased suspicion and attacks.<br><br>Before anyone could know, the Prime Minister hints at who was responsible. Despite the pre-war ‘framing’ of Iraq, most media take Blair as reliable and give credence to unattributable police and intelligence ‘sources’ (aka hearsay). Where facts are scarce or contradictory, the emotional appeal of the notion of ‘Islamic terror’ will plug the holes.<br><br>Although some people, including some Muslims, abuse their religion to target civilians, calm assessment should have suggested additional possibilities:<br><br>Who did it last time? Soho pub (fascist) and Bishopsgate (IRA). Terrorism has also been practiced by British, US and other intelligence agencies, ask the Irish, ask the survivors of the Bologna rail station massacre of 1980, successfully blamed on Red Brigade patsies (Reference 1) ‘Britain’s 9-11’ ? – as if that conspiracy tale is beyond question! (2)<br><br>The biggest slaughter in London since the Luftwaffe, yet – according to Blair - a Public Inquiry would be ‘a distraction’. Too slow. Too expensive! ‘Besides’, went the subtext, ‘we all know who did it, don’t we?’ But do ‘we’? And did the promised ‘narrative’ (3) deal with awkward facts or paper over the difficulties?<br><br>MIND THE GAPS! – WOULD YOU CONVICT?<br><br>1) Identity of alleged perpetrators: if you were on a jury would you convict on the basis of this photograph of the supposed 'bombers' supposedly entering Luton station that morning?<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4712">www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...sp?ID=4712</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>1) faces indistinct – yet June 28th images from this camera 14 much clearer; 2) left arm of ‘Khan’ appears entangled with railing ; 3) ‘Hussain’s’ feet are incorrectly mirrored in the glass frontage of the building behind ‘Khan’ ; 4) Report puts station entry at 7.15.<br><br>2) Lack of CCTV footage: From the surveillance capital of the world we have not one image of the four suspects on the day. Instead of connected footage from a score of cameras, we have to take alleged CCTV sightings on trust. But after the Lawrence Inquiry finding of’institutional racism’, and now after the Stockwell and Forest Gate shootings and lies, the Met has no right to expect trust (4)<br><br>3) Luton departure: The Official Report says the Leeds 4 caught the 7.40 train. Small problem. Thameslink officials say the 7.40 didn’t run that day. Also that the 7.30 (left at 7.42) didn’t arrive until 8.39 - too late to catch Circle line trains. (5) Who would you normally trust?<br><br>4) London arrival: The suspects are reported (but not shown) on CCTV near Thameslink platform at 8.26 ‘heading in the direction of the London Underground system’ (i.e. by subway to the tube platforms) but then ‘are seen’ hugging at Kings Cross [underground ticket hall?] ‘around 8.30’, before splitting up after which they ‘must have’ boarded their various trains, beginning 8.35, so we are told. (No, it doesn’t make sense to us either.)<br><br>5) How were bodies identified? Khan’s personal documents were found to have miraculously survived at the epicentre of three explosions. Lindsay’s ID only turned up at the crime scene on 15 July, two days after his house was searched. His DNA was long said to be have been found on his station parking ticket – yet the Report has his car towed away [contrary to car park policy] as unticketted.<br><br>6) Nature of explosives: Initial reports were of military explosives, now its HMTD or extremely unstable TATP – which doesn’t flash, and thus doesn’t match survivor accounts of flashes. 10 months later the Report solemnly tells us ‘Expert examination continues but it appears that the bombs were home made.’<br><br>7) Location of explosives: The Official Report ignores the testimony of Aldgate survivor Bruce Lait and policewoman Lizzie Kenworthy, who independently reported a hole in the floor with the metal pushed up.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Coincidence: No mention of radio and TV interviews with senior ex-policeman and security consultant, Peter Power: ‘At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning’.<br><br>9) Tavistock Sq : Bus workers report the 30 Bus was the only one diverted that morning, and its depot had been visited for 20 hours by a ‘non-regular’ maintenance crew at the weekend. Internet tittle tattle? Maybe. Yet, why should we believe an equally anonymous ‘Yard source’ that the (normally reliable) bus CCTV system wasn’t operating? Especially when only one picture from the (evidently working) traffic cam has been released. There is no possible public interest served by not reassuring Muslims and many others who worry that there may be something to hide. [Added now: Among extraordinary coincidences here are the location of the blast, just outside the offices of The BMA and The Lancet, which had ruffled feathers with its research that 100,000 civilians had died in Iraq, and also the location of a van from a company which among other things offers specialist controlled explosions - which appears to have been level with the back of the bus, though doubtless is entirely innocent.]<br><br>10) Prior knowledge? The Head of Mossad confirmed (6) earlier AP reports that ‘the Mossad office in London received advance notice of the attacks’ (6 minutes). No mention in the Official Report. What about the Leeds end? The Intelligence and Security Committee Report into the London Bombings describes Khan as having been ‘peripheral’ to previous surveillance and investigative operations. Yet much time and money was spent on photographing him, tapping his telephone and tracking his car. Transcripts of the taped telephone conversations were never made available to the ISC. Why not?<br><br><br>More and more people are asking ‘Could the Leeds 4 have been stopped? Was it incompetence or something worse?’ (7) In the light of severe ‘London end’ discrepancies should the question rather be: Was Khan and his network being groomed as credible patsies? (in which case it would be important that they were shielded from arrest before they were duped or otherwise drawn in). What proof do we really have that they even made it to Luton?<br><br>We just do not know, and we suggest the reader doesn’t either. Please join in the pressure for the full truth to come out - whatever it turns out to be. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Private advert in the Independent

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:02 am

Has it been put in there yet?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>2) Lack of CCTV footage: From the surveillance capital of the world we have not one image of the four suspects on the day. Instead of connected footage from a score of cameras, we have to take alleged CCTV sightings on trust. But after the Lawrence Inquiry finding of’institutional racism’, and now after the Stockwell and Forest Gate shootings and lies, the Met has no right to expect trust (4)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>One point about this. When i was young and getting paranoid I walked through a melbourne street one day and counted 120 cameras in shops pointed at the street or in public places.<br><br>After that I became very careful about sussing out my territory and the routes i would take thru town. Lots of little things i won't go into here to minimise my exposure to cameras and to minimise my identifiability (wtf word is that).<br><br>Its not that big a stretch to imagine that someone with high motivation could avoid CCTV. I've not lived in London tho.<br><br>Its a great ad all the same. Brulllyent <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Private advert in the Independent

Postby friend catcher » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:43 am

appeared on the 1/7/ but you've got to pay at the indy<br><br><br><br>Our papers often boast the number of cctv and number 1 in world ranking for it. At the moment they're linking cctv with databases with car registration plates as the key to tracking. Also proposals for mandatory sat chips in cars 'to aid congestion measures' Hate the people as sheeple train of thought but sometimes........<br><br>As for avoiding cctv it is possible and at last years g8 near me I went through every checkpoint without being stopped using the cunning camoflage of a jeep, a collie, and a scowl. Although that's what I normaly look like, so no kudos there.<br><br> crap link deleted<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=friendcatcher>friend catcher</A> at: 7/5/06 10:06 am<br></i>
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Re: Private advert in the Independent

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:05 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Few men were more popular on the streets of Beeston than Khan, the 30-year-old family man, recognised by his sensible sweaters and neat, coiffeured hairstyle. Khan became involved in the community-run Hamara Healthy Living Centre in Beeston, and worked at its youth outreach project, the Hamara Youth Access Point on Tempest Road, a £1 million Government-funded scheme opened two years ago by Mr Benn, its patron, and his father Tony, the former Labour minister, in 2003. Hamara is an Urdu term, which means "ours". Khan was given two EU grants of £4,000 to open boys-only gyms for Asian youths in the area, grants designated as supporting community groups in deprived areas. In July 2004 he visited Parliament as the guest of a local Hemsworth Labour MP Jon Trickett. There he was praised for his teaching work. At this visit to Parliament, the group met the International Development secretary, Hilary Benn. Mr. Khan won respect as a social worker committed to ridding the streets of drugs, being involved in a 2001 government study on fighting drug use. He was invited to the home of Hillside Primary's head teacher, Sarah Balfour, whose husband, Jon Trickett, is a member of parliament. On a trip to London in July last year, Mr. Khan and his students had a tour of parliament from Mr. Trickett Khan used to work for the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), helping promote British firms overseas. He also helped Leeds police deal with confrontations between rival gangs of youths. Leeds education authority's personnel file on Khan, obtained by The Independent under the Freedom of Information (FoI) Act, shows details of his work for the DTI's export arm in Yorkshire in the mid-1990s, when Britain was seeking more trade links with Asia. Khan left to study at Leeds Metropolitan University in September 1996, and took a 2:2 in business management, his file reveals. He clearly believed his vocation lay in steering disenchanted youths away from crime. He took paid youth and community work from Leeds council while finishing his degree.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-profile-mohammad-sidique-khan.html">julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-pro...-khan.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Sure had a lot of government connections. <p></p><i></i>
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