UFO event in Norway

[2012 Countdown]

what direction?

From the White Sea, over Finland, Sweden and Norway. Like the 2005 launch.

Well that weighs in your favor cuda.

Ok, after looking at the first video at the below link again (scroll all the way down to the videos). Pay NO ATTENTION to the first frame 'still', as it from the "Rex Features" glamour shot. No, this VIDEO footage however is shot to the RIGHT of the Rex photo. The reason I say that is because the main spiral takes on the oblong planar ellipse in its shape.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... orway.html

Notice at the end, when the black disk forms. It covers up/overlaps the 'blue' swirly. This could mean the 'black' overlaps the blue, and has a light blocking aspect to it

So now I'm thinking that indeed it may have been coming toward the Rex photo location more directly. Of course this black hole could have simply removed/absorbed/covered up all particulate from around the area, but I think this may support the 'toward' case.

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In any event, in regard to the computer simulated model posted here several pages earlier-

http://gizmodo.com/5422792/this-is-how- ... l-happened

Based on the observation analysis of the above video, and image below, seems slightly untrue/inaccurate. Again, I stress the planar aspect of the main disk. The below photo is actually a still shot of where the video above was taken. However, it could still be a variation of the computer model. Minor point would be that it projected, then stopped/slowed significantly, then the main swirl formed.

[brainpanhandler]

Ok, after looking at the first video at the below link again (scroll all the way down to the videos). Pay NO ATTENTION to the first frame 'still', as it from the "Rex Features" glamour shot. No, this VIDEO footage however is shot to the RIGHT of the Rex photo. The reason I say that is because the main spiral takes on the oblong planar ellipse in its shape.

I agree. Both Barracuda and I looked at that video earlier in the thread and agreed that the photographer shot the white spiral from a slightly oblique angle, unlike all the other photos and videos we have seen. If the missile is traveling roughly southwest then I agree that that video is shot to the east or southeast of where the rex features photo is shot from. If however the missle is traveling northeast then that video is shot from the west or northwest of where the rex features photo is shot, from.

Unfortunately the difference in angle is not great enough to rule out the idea that the white spiral is a shallow archimedean spiral. We would need a photo more parallel to the theoretical plane of the white spiral to conclude it is a plane and not a shallow spiral.

[elfismiles]

False Alarms on the Nuclear Front
by Geoffrey Forden
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The Norwegian rocket incident
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Early on the morning of January 25, 1995, Norwegian scientists and their American colleagues launched the largest sounding rocket ever from Andoya Island off the coast of Norway. [Sounding rockets collect data on atmospheric conditions from various altitudes.] Designed to study the northern lights, the rocket followed a trajectory to nearly 930 miles altitude but away from the Russian Federation. To Russian radar technicians, the flight appeared similar to one that a U.S. Trident missile would take to blind Russian radars by detonating a nuclear warhead high in the atmosphere.


The trajectory of the Black Brant XII sounding rocket, which triggered the "Norwegian rocket" incident.
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That scientific rocket caused a dangerous moment in the nuclear age. Russia was poised, for a few moments at least, to launch a full-scale nuclear attack on the United States. In fact, President Boris Yeltsin stated the next day that he had activated his "nuclear football"—a device that allows the Russian president to communicate with his top military advisers and review the situation online—for the first time.

However, we can be fairly confident that Yeltsin's football showed that Russia was not under attack and that the Russian early-warning system was functioning perfectly. In addition to the string of radars surrounding the border of the former Soviet Union, Russia had inherited a complete fleet of early-warning satellites that, even by 1995, still maintained continuous 24-hour coverage of the U.S. continental missile fields. In the early 1990s Russia had still managed to launch replacement satellites for its early-warning system as the previous ones died out—thereby retaining continuous coverage. Because of those satellites, Yeltsin's display must have shown that no massive attack was lurking just below the horizon.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/missileers ... larms.html

[MacCruiskeen]

Just a reminder (which probably no one here needs) that human weapons-technology can create the most bizarre, awe-inspiring, never-before-seen and paradoxically beautiful effects:

[Nordic]

Listen, there's something not addressed here.

We are assuming that we're looking at something that was spinning AND moving through space, i.e. assuming a failed missile test, that the missile is spinning WHILE having some sort of trajectory in whatever direction ....

However, what blows this theory completely is the "black hole" thing at the end.

If the theory is correct, that when the spinning stopped, that whatever was squirting out of it blew all the other stuff away as it went, the fuel that we see already in the sky, would have stayed. Like a contrail, it would have been relatively "stuck" in the sky until it dispersed. But that's not what happened, it seemed instead that the "black hole" actually pushed it away.

Which means that the stuff was ALL in motion, all the time, at the same velocity, which seems impossible, i.e. the stuff that had been already spewed out for a longer time would have stopped, and perhaps even slowed .... But it didn't, apparently, it seems to have kept going at the same velocity at which it escaped the "missile".

Is that making any sense?

In other words, the "black hole" phenomonon at the end would have only worked had whatever was spinning been stationary.

So it seems to me that it was something that was spinning, but otherwise stationary.

UNLESS there was something in the middle, something unseen, something dark, that literally exploded at the very end of this thing, thus pushing ALL the "contrail" material outwards in such a dramatic way ......

Like if something blew up without any light. A big explosion, however ... like really big.

Anyone with me, or do I need more coffee?

[TheArgonaut]

Another more mundane take on this type of phenomena:

Q: Can you give the readers a few examples of the information that appears in the book?

A: Sure. The first thing I would want to stress to anyone reading this interview and who is contemplating buying the book, is that it does not rely on questionable or anonymous sources or unverifiable data. Even though some of the subject matter might be considered bizarre, the book is based solely on an examination of official documents that have surfaced via the US Government's Freedom of Information Act or the British Government's Thirty Year Ruling. I guess that perhaps one of the strangest revelations is the fact that both British and US Intelligence have investigated the so-called Crop Circle mystery. Practically everyone who reads UFO Magazine, I am sure, has heard of Crop Circles and has seen photographs of the various formations - or pictograms - that appear throughout England and the world each year. But less well known is what has been learned about the subject at an official level. For more than a decade rumours have circulated to the effect that the British Government has undertaken covert investigations of Crop Circles. To an extent, at least, that is true. At the Public Record Office at Kew there exists an intriguing file prepared at the height of the Second World War by none other than MI5 and that was declassified in 2001. The file deals with the way in which MI5 suspected that Nazi sympathisers and Fifth Columnists in the UK were sending messages to - and communicating with - the enemy. Interestingly, MI5 learned that in Poland, Holland, France and Belgium, this included 'the cutting of cornfields into guiding marks for aircraft'. To illustrate how closely this parallels today's Crop Circles, the official file refers to enemy sympathisers 'beating out signs twenty metres in diameter on harrowed fields or mowing such signs on meadows or cornfields'. Crop circles in other words! Interestingly, MI5 investigated a number of such formations that appeared in various British fields from 1940-1943 to determine if any of those same formations were some form of coded message intended for German pilots flying overhead.

http://www.steamshovelpress.com/latestword14.html

[Asta]

Nordic, I'm with you.

My spouse has a degree (and more after that) from a prestigious engineering college where he majored in ballistics. I showed him several vids tonight of the spiral from different sources, and asked him what he thought. He said he had no idea what he was viewing, but that a failed rocket launch could not "pause in spiral" that long, gravity was still a factor.

My opinion: If it was a missile launch, it was not a failure, but a success - of something we don't yet understand. And I don't think we should point our fingers necessarily at Russia.

We should all keep an open mind.

[brainpanhandler]

I realize this is becoming a really lengthy thread, but read the thread.

The question of whether a presumed missile could stop in midair and spin has been addressed and is in the process of being addressed.

How can you tell if the theoretical missile has stopped moving along a trajectory if it is heading substantially toward or away from you?

If we had any videos shot perpendicular to the trajectory of the theoretical missile then we could answer this question, but we don't have that. Until we do I cannot rule out that the white spiral is in fact a shallow archimedean spiral.

[2012 Countdown]

Ok, after looking at the first video at the below link again (scroll all the way down to the videos). Pay NO ATTENTION to the first frame 'still', as it from the "Rex Features" glamour shot. No, this VIDEO footage however is shot to the RIGHT of the Rex photo. The reason I say that is because the main spiral takes on the oblong planar ellipse in its shape.

I agree. Both Barracuda and I looked at that video earlier in the thread and agreed that the photographer shot the white spiral from a slightly oblique angle, unlike all the other photos and videos we have seen. If the missile is traveling roughly southwest then I agree that that video is shot to the east or southeast of where the rex features photo is shot from. If however the missle is traveling northeast then that video is shot from the west or northwest of where the rex features photo is shot, from.

Unfortunately the difference in angle is not great enough to rule out the idea that the white spiral is a shallow archimedean spiral. We would need a photo more parallel to the theoretical plane of the white spiral to conclude it is a plane and not a shallow spiral.

After review of the thread again to refresh/retrace, I see this. I find that it behaves this way rather odd. I agree, we really need a side view. Still, for giving such a large spreading out, it is VERY flat.

WRT the origin, I also want to repost what Penguin posted several pages ago and I had forgotten:



If genuine, seems to be good proof of a 'towards' scenario.

I also read and fully absorbed the contntious 'simulation' issue. I want to be clear that it was not my intention to bring it up again in my last post within that context. Pretty funny reading the interaction as a bystander though, btw. You handled yourself well.


Nordic, I hear you, and this shot illustrates your point-



The particulate seems "cleared away". If the blue is assumed behind the main form, you can see through it at the end (as shown) and clearly see the blue. Again though, in what appears to be planar fashion.

Question: don't explosions usually expand in a spherical fashion? Maybe this does but we cannot tell.

Also want to say I agree with those who think the Rex photo series had to be taken by a real pro who was prepared for just such an occasion. He/she was 'ready'. Not sure what that means though.

[brainpanhandler]

Ok, after looking at the first video at the below link again (scroll all the way down to the videos). Pay NO ATTENTION to the first frame 'still', as it from the "Rex Features" glamour shot. No, this VIDEO footage however is shot to the RIGHT of the Rex photo. The reason I say that is because the main spiral takes on the oblong planar ellipse in its shape.

I agree. Both Barracuda and I looked at that video earlier in the thread and agreed that the photographer shot the white spiral from a slightly oblique angle, unlike all the other photos and videos we have seen. If the missile is traveling roughly southwest then I agree that that video is shot to the east or southeast of where the rex features photo is shot from. If however the missle is traveling northeast then that video is shot from the west or northwest of where the rex features photo is shot, from.

Unfortunately the difference in angle is not great enough to rule out the idea that the white spiral is a shallow archimedean spiral. We would need a photo more parallel to the theoretical plane of the white spiral to conclude it is a plane and not a shallow spiral.

After review of the thread again to refresh/retrace, I see this. I find that it behaves this way rather odd. I agree, we really need a side view. Still, for giving such a large spreading out, it is VERY flat.

Thanks for reviewing the thread. I still don't understand how it can be known that it is very flat or flat at all. Ultimately what I am trying to do is find some evidence which will rule the missile theory in or out and whether the white spiral is flat or not may not matter in that regard as I suppose it is not inconceivable that even a malfunctioning missile could follow the trajectory that the initial stages of the rocket propelled it on and then just as it slowed down and ran out of fuel essentially spin in place before it was affected by gravity. I guess I want to figure out the what as much as possible before moving on to speculation about why, although the speculation about why is more interesting. I found the secret sun blog entertaining.

WRT the origin, I also want to repost what Penguin posted several pages ago and I had forgotten:



If genuine, seems to be good proof of a 'towards' scenario.

Explain please. I don't see why this photo is any better evidence of the "toward theory" than the Rex features photo.

Nordic, I hear you, and this shot illustrates your point-



The particulate seems "cleared away". If the blue is assumed behind the main form, you can see through it at the end (as shown) and clearly see the blue. Again though, in what appears to be planar fashion.

This photo on the other hand does seem like very good prooof for the "toward theory" precisely because of what you point out here where the blue spiral is clearer when seen through the hole. The blue spiral is obscured elsewhere behind the residue of the white spiral which says to me that it is behind it. I'm in the toward camp now.

Question: don't explosions usually expand in a spherical fashion? Maybe this does but we cannot tell.

I was going to write that I don't think there is any reason to believe that an explosion causes the expansion of the hole, but I'm not so sure now that I think about. I'll have to think about it some more.

Also want to say I agree with those who think the Rex photo series had to be taken by a real pro who was prepared for just such an occasion. He/she was 'ready'. Not sure what that means though.

Neither do I. I don't see that anyone caught the very beginning of the phenomena, so apparently no one was so prepared that they knew the exact time the phenomena was going to happen.

It's important to keep in mind that the rex photo is an exposure of at least a couple of seconds and so the outer rings of the white spiral might have been and probably were dissipating in real time.

[2012 Countdown]

Seems to me the Penguin posted photo shows the trail coming toward, from over the horizon. Compared to other general missile shots, it seems that this was taken toward the end/after the event. I have in my mind a scenario that the someone who took earlier photos of the display, then tried to get a better shot from whence it came. The blue swirls have now dissipated/softened, and just the haze trail remains. Toward the horizon, the winds have already distorted/malformed the trail. It is coming from the direction of the setting sun. And yes, in the other photo, the hole clearing out and exposing the 'blue' as well.


In regard to the main forms flatness- It takes up a huge perfectly circular footprint, that is almost squarely in front of us in the Rex photo. The other video and photos from the sidemost angles we are able to see reveal the shape of a very flat circle (relatively speaking), imo. To make such a shape, it would seem to me the object had to have been relatively stationary, and spun outward from its sides. The severest angle video/photos show very little depth/thickness to the spiral, in my opinion.

[barracuda]

However, what blows this theory completely is the "black hole" thing at the end.

If the theory is correct, that when the spinning stopped, that whatever was squirting out of it blew all the other stuff away as it went, the fuel that we see already in the sky, would have stayed. Like a contrail, it would have been relatively "stuck" in the sky until it dispersed. But that's not what happened, it seemed instead that the "black hole" actually pushed it away.

Which means that the stuff was ALL in motion, all the time, at the same velocity, which seems impossible, i.e. the stuff that had been already spewed out for a longer time would have stopped, and perhaps even slowed .... But it didn't, apparently, it seems to have kept going at the same velocity at which it escaped the "missile".

Is that making any sense?

In other words, the "black hole" phenomonon at the end would have only worked had whatever was spinning been stationary.

So it seems to me that it was something that was spinning, but otherwise stationary.

UNLESS there was something in the middle, something unseen, something dark, that literally exploded at the very end of this thing, thus pushing ALL the "contrail" material outwards in such a dramatic way ......

Like if something blew up without any light. A big explosion, however ... like really big.

Anyone with me, or do I need more coffee?

Coffee is never a bad idea. Here's an image of a poi dancer creating what is essentially a Catherine Wheel:



You can see from this image that successive turns of the dancer's movements are sending a continous spiral ripple outward from the center. Now the particles from the "missile" aren't necessarily burning (though that's an interesting issue), the may simply be spewing out from a pressurized container. But the effect is the same - the centrifugal force impels turn after turn of the spiraling material outward from the center with great force, and with great regularity (if the speed of rotation is consistent), and the material continues to fly outward from the center even after all the material is exhausted, in a form with a sinusoidal cross section. Nothing beyond inertia is required to create the widening central hole after the particulate matter runs out.

[Perelandra]

Some interesting synch stuff at The Synch Whole, if you like that:
Link
I had checked it out yesterday and tonight I happened to watch The Last Mimzy, strangely, as I hardly ever watch tv. (Sorry, Hugh.)

It's not in the movie trailer, but at the very end, after the whatever it is goes nuclear, there is indeed a spiral in the sky. Spiral = white rabbit = etc.
FWIW

[nathan28]

Seems to me the Penguin posted photo shows the trail coming toward, from over the horizon. Compared to other general missile shots, it seems that this was taken toward the end/after the event. I have in my mind a scenario that the someone who took earlier photos of the display, then tried to get a better shot from whence it came. The blue swirls have now dissipated/softened, and just the haze trail remains. Toward the horizon, the winds have already distorted/malformed the trail. It is coming from the direction of the setting sun. And yes, in the other photo, the hole clearing out and exposing the 'blue' as well.


In regard to the main forms flatness- It takes up a huge perfectly circular footprint, that is almost squarely in front of us in the Rex photo. The other video and photos from the sidemost angles we are able to see reveal the shape of a very flat circle (relatively speaking), imo. To make such a shape, it would seem to me the object had to have been relatively stationary, and spun outward from its sides. The severest angle video/photos show very little depth/thickness to the spiral, in my opinion.

I simply can't think of a way it's possible to determine that the "planar" thing you're suggesting isn't an artifact of the nighttime camera usage

[barracuda]

Perelandra, that's a pretty good film, actually. But I thought the image in the sky at the end was a representation of the so-called "7 Mountain" mandala which was drawn by the boy as the inspiration for his transdimensional bridge.