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Postby crikkett » Sun May 29, 2011 10:25 am

bubblefunk wrote:"Disco DID make itself. Ever see a drum machine?" said Fred.

Fred, there were no drum machines playing that stuff in the 70s. Just some seriously talented and (relatively) egoless drummers willing to subjugate themselves to the beat. Anti-Neal Pearts, if you will.


Oh, bubblefunk, you couldn't be more wrong.

Check out this fantastic magazine about synthesizer music in the 70s (and lots of disco percussion tracks were produced on these things.)

http://www.cyndustries.com/synapse/intro.cfm
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby sunny » Sun May 29, 2011 10:48 am

thurnundtaxis wrote:
“Our music was far from political or antiwar … I never felt comfortable with political advocacy.”
John Phillips
“There were no political speeches or overt protest songs performed.”
John Phillips, discussing the Monterey Pop Festival, of which he was a key organizer


New installment has been posted.

WARNING: contains the extremely gruesome Black Dahlia crime scene photos!

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr110.html


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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby norton ash » Sun May 29, 2011 11:25 am

Sometimes I fear that I'm a dark, degenerate, jaded excuse for a human being.

Then I look at LA, and I feel like Ned Flanders! Innocent-a-roony!
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby Pierre d'Achoppement » Sun May 29, 2011 12:16 pm

Yeah, it keeps surprising me how these hippiepeople didn't lead monogamous, christian 9-to-5 lives... really weird and upsetting.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby sunny » Sun May 29, 2011 12:35 pm

Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:Yeah, it keeps surprising me how these hippiepeople didn't lead monogamous, christian 9-to-5 lives... really weird and upsetting.


Not speaking for Norton but I doubt aversions to Christianity and monogamy are what he was referring to. What's really weird and upsetting is the pervasive scent of depravity and evil wafting off these so-called icons of a generation. Nearly all of them diddled underage girls and ALL of them are surrounded by mysteriously dead friends and family, including children. Not to mention the nearly universal connections to the MIC and spookdom. These people were hardly your average, happy go lucky, live and let live hippiepeople.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby Nordic » Sun May 29, 2011 2:23 pm

norton ash wrote:Sometimes I fear that I'm a dark, degenerate, jaded excuse for a human being.

Then I look at LA, and I feel like Ned Flanders! Innocent-a-roony!



You should try living here. It's interesting to say the least!

I'm constantly surprised, actually, at how many good people I run into here. What's weird about LA is that there's a lot of EVERYTHING including good people. But -- here, everybodys a minority. That's how diverse it is!
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby thurnundtaxis » Sun May 29, 2011 2:45 pm

sunny wrote:
Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:Yeah, it keeps surprising me how these hippiepeople didn't lead monogamous, christian 9-to-5 lives... really weird and upsetting.


Not speaking for Norton but I doubt aversions to Christianity and monogamy are what he was referring to. What's really weird and upsetting is the pervasive scent of depravity and evil wafting off these so-called icons of a generation. Nearly all of them diddled underage girls and ALL of them are surrounded by mysteriously dead friends and family, including children. Not to mention the nearly universal connections to the MIC and spookdom. These people were hardly your average, happy go lucky, live and let live hippiepeople.


Thanks Sunny for putting it so succinctly. Ol' lucky Pierre's one liner seems meant to be more of a provocative bait hook or smarmy dis rather than a reasonable assessment of McGowan's theses.

We all know Dave's writing is far from conclusive evidence of anything other than his own wit and a bemusement that comes from gathering together an enormous amount iconoclastic and provocative tid-bits and connectivities. And, I'm sure we'd all like to see a conclusive indictment of these swingin' pedophile scumbags for whom the appelation "rock out with your c*ck out" was far too literal. But for me ,the Laurel Canyon series has done a great service validating my old school punk-rock hatred of those self-indulgent fake-assed racketeers. Something never smelt quite right from the get-go as far as I was concerned.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby Nordic » Sun May 29, 2011 2:59 pm

sunny wrote:
Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:Yeah, it keeps surprising me how these hippiepeople didn't lead monogamous, christian 9-to-5 lives... really weird and upsetting.


Not speaking for Norton but I doubt aversions to Christianity and monogamy are what he was referring to. What's really weird and upsetting is the pervasive scent of depravity and evil wafting off these so-called icons of a generation. Nearly all of them diddled underage girls and ALL of them are surrounded by mysteriously dead friends and family, including children. Not to mention the nearly universal connections to the MIC and spookdom. These people were hardly your average, happy go lucky, live and let live hippiepeople.



I finally went through this thread a while back, and while I find it provocative, I don't quite trust the source material.

Granted, there was some serious decadence and some experimentation going on with complete disregard to spiritual safety, but the whole spook/MIC connection?

You could easily find spook/MIC connections to yours truly! And for someone to speculate that because of that upbringing on my part that I'm somehow affected by it in a negative way, or that I somehow do bad things because of it, well, that's just silly, honestly. And I grew up with a lot of people just like me, and we're just normal folks who had unusual childhoods!

These people were young, had a ton of money, and found themselves in Hollywood, where people consider themselves literally above the law because of fame, money, and celebrity. Plus the times were "anything goes", and a lot of people went down some bad bad tracks because of this.

I also believe that living this kind of a live can easily open spiritual doors (for lack of a better term) that should remain closed.

I've felt it myself, this spiritual strata here, that doesn't exist elsewhere, different levels that can suck you in. One of these is a type of decadence that can suck you in and literally kill you, a place where you can find yourself doing things that you never thought you'd do. It's the spiritual plane that has killed quite a few famous people including many noted in this thread. There seems to be a nexus of this in the Hollywood Hills, you can feel it even as you drive through! (or I should say that I can anyway).

I brushed up against this myself when I was younger and stepped back right as some people I knew and used to party with got sucked into it. It's a scary place to go, but very tempting.

It reminds me of those old stories, I can't remember what these things were called, stories from the King Arthur myths, of a place where the Knights found a circle of people dancing, seemingly so happily, but if you got sucked into the ring of dancing people you realized you were going to dance to your death. And you couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, my two cents. I can't go to the same conclusion that these people were somehow set up, propped up, involved with the MIC and the spook world, because, honestly? The MIC and the spook world is pretty fucking boring if you're a goddamn rock star. Those people are GEEKS.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby sunny » Sun May 29, 2011 3:05 pm

I agree about the dark spiritual strata one can get sucked into if you're not careful, and I don't doubt this is what happened to many of them. But I can't dismiss so many of these folks having MIC/spook connections. How is it possible so many of them, having an incredibly similar background that is counter-intuitive to producing a countercultural mindset, converged at the same place at the same time? It's all too much for me to buy as coincidental.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby 82_28 » Sun May 29, 2011 3:18 pm

McGowan definitely sticks his neck out there on this series, but I'll tell you what, I definitely listen to the tunes of this era with an "enhanced" awareness to lyrics and timeless chords and rhythms.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby semper occultus » Sun May 29, 2011 3:29 pm

Nordic wrote:The MIC and the spook world is pretty fucking boring if you're a goddamn rock star. Those people are GEEKS.


Doobie Brother now a secret weapon on terror

Rock ’n’ roll guitarist Jeff Baxter is one of the country's top experts on counterterrorism. ‘Today’ show correspondent Jamie Gangel reports

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/10480407

12/16/2005

Guitarist Jeff Baxter is a founding member of Steely Dan and a member of the Doobie Brothers. The 56-year-old Baxter has eight platinum albums and two Grammys, but he likes to call himself a hippie rock guitarist with top secret clearances. Now, believe it or not, he's one of the top counterterrorism experts in the United States.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby sunny » Sun May 29, 2011 3:41 pm

semper occultus wrote:
Nordic wrote:The MIC and the spook world is pretty fucking boring if you're a goddamn rock star. Those people are GEEKS.


Doobie Brother now a secret weapon on terror

Rock ’n’ roll guitarist Jeff Baxter is one of the country's top experts on counterterrorism. ‘Today’ show correspondent Jamie Gangel reports

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/10480407

12/16/2005

Guitarist Jeff Baxter is a founding member of Steely Dan and a member of the Doobie Brothers. The 56-year-old Baxter has eight platinum albums and two Grammys, but he likes to call himself a hippie rock guitarist with top secret clearances. Now, believe it or not, he's one of the top counterterrorism experts in the United States.


Wow. I wonder how being a rock 'n roll guitarist earned Mr. Baxter top secret clearance--"a defense expert with every clearance in the world"-- and the appropriate credentials and expertise to be not just 'a' counterterrorism expert but one of THE top counterterrorism experts in the country?

It began in the mid-’80s, when Baxter started researching music technology. He then started reading about weapons systems, became a self-taught expert and, for the fun of it, wrote a five-page paper on missile defense.


:rofl: A gut buster, that one.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby Nordic » Sun May 29, 2011 3:45 pm

sunny wrote:I agree about the dark spiritual strata one can get sucked into if you're not careful, and I don't doubt this is what happened to many of them. But I can't dismiss so many of these folks having MIC/spook connections. How is it possible so many of them, having an incredibly similar background that is counter-intuitive to producing a countercultural mindset, converged at the same place at the same time? It's all too much for me to buy as coincidental.


That part of it is weird. If it's true. Has anyone verified all these claims?

(And the Jeff Baxter thing is definitely weird. )

McGowan does stick his neck out in this regard it seems, but no more than those folks who write highly entertaining pieces about lost civilizations on the moon and that sort of thing. :)
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby sunny » Sun May 29, 2011 3:58 pm

Nordic wrote:
sunny wrote:I agree about the dark spiritual strata one can get sucked into if you're not careful, and I don't doubt this is what happened to many of them. But I can't dismiss so many of these folks having MIC/spook connections. How is it possible so many of them, having an incredibly similar background that is counter-intuitive to producing a countercultural mindset, converged at the same place at the same time? It's all too much for me to buy as coincidental.


That part of it is weird. If it's true. Has anyone verified all these claims?

(And the Jeff Baxter thing is definitely weird. )

McGowan does stick his neck out in this regard it seems, but no more than those folks who write highly entertaining pieces about lost civilizations on the moon and that sort of thing. :)


Many of the claims come from source books I can't find. (I don't remember which, I looked into them a couple of years ago) Others are a google search away. With some of them Dave draws inference from the subject growing up in close proximity to centers of spook activity. So no, not all of them are verified as far as I know.
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Re: Laurel Canyon

Postby Pierre d'Achoppement » Sun May 29, 2011 4:07 pm

thurnundtaxis wrote:But for me ,the Laurel Canyon series has done a great service validating my old school punk-rock hatred of those self-indulgent fake-assed racketeers. Something never smelt quite right from the get-go as far as I was concerned.


Here's what one simple searchquery on google returned:

BUSINESS PEOPLE; Punk Rock and Military Jobs Lead to Mattel Video Games

William Novak, a top video game designer for Mattel Inc., is probably one of the few employees working for a $1 billion corporation with a resume that boasts of founding two punk rock record labels.

Mr. Novak was in New York recently to recieve an award from Popular Science magazine for his role in designing Mattel's Power Glove, a popular new electronic toy. Mr. Novak, who is 39 years old, said he was deeply honored by the award.

Mr. Novak's received a master's degree in fine arts from the Center for Contemporary Music at Mills College in Oakland, Calif. In 1976, he founded two San Franciso Bay area punk rock labels, Dumb Records and Nth Degree.

He migrated to Southern California in 1982 to take part in the first video game explosion as a designer for Sega Enterprises Ltd., a Japanese maker of video games and machines. Before joining Mattel, Mr. Novak worked as an independent contractor for Teledyne Systems, designing targeting devices for Navy anti-submarine helicopters.


full story: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... .google.nl

Now I'm going to google some bands signed to those two labels, who knows maybe some member of one of them had an underage girlfriend at one time or maybe had a friend killed in mysterious circumstances and work from there i guess..

Oh boy, the plot thickens already:

Little known facts about the first Dumb Record:

RU21: The father of a girl I went with in New York was a race car driver in the 1950s. He named his race car RU21. Unlike today, using letters and numbers like that wasnt really done, or I didnt know about it. I thought it was cool so I used it for my song about trying to get into a girls pants while worrying she might be jailbait
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