FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby Jerky » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:17 am

I also recently watched von Trier's THE HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT. Here is my review of that film.

First things first, this film, the latest offering from inveterate controversialist Lars von Trier, is definitely NOT for everybody. As for myself, I have long admired von Trier’s work and consider him one of the great masters of contemporary cinema. I have found much to admire and value in everything that he does. Everything from his early work to his Dogme films, up to and including his more recent, harrowing output. Anti-Christ is one of the most misunderstood and undervalued films of recent decades, and I also firmly believe that Melancholia, one of his more restrained projects, is very much in the running for best film of the 21st century, so far.

Which brings us to The House That Jack Built. Right up front, I’ll say that I think it's one of his best films, period. Yes, it's grisly in parts. There are long scenes that, if you’re a sensitive soul (as I am), you will find excruciating to watch. Moments like the picnic scene, or when Jack's got Simple, one of his more sympathetic victims, bound and gagged, and he telegraphs what he's going to do to her (a shock motif that itself is borrowed from Bet Easton Ellis' shock novel and fellow “success de scandale”, American Psycho).

However, some of these self-same scenes are also moments of pure cinematic genius, building suspense brick by brick in a way that would have made Hitchcock proud. The film also contains moments of sublime beauty and, in the wraparound narrative wherein Jack relates his crimes and theories to a mostly unseen traveling companion named Virgil, some moments of profound, occasionally disturbing insight.

It’s also wickedly funny in parts. I am reminded of the people who thought Clockwork Orange was a horror movie. Like Kubrick's version of Clockwork, von Trier's House that Jack Built is among the blackest of satires. Its bad reviews I mostly put down to sheer cowardice on the part of today's milquetoast critiquing class, who are more interested in scoring Brownie points with a certain portion of their readers by cataloging the film’s myriad violations of basic, common decency. As if they really can't tell (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between a movie having a misogynistic character and a movie, itself, being misogynistic.

Another frequent line of critical attack that I’ve seen taken against this film is to declare von Trier “arrogant” and “pretentious” for daring to suggest that his films have played a historic role in expanding the acceptable terrain of philosophical exploration in cinematic form. To that I say, you either accept that he’s right about the value and importance of his work, or you don’t. I do, so the scene in question (you’ll know it when you see it) not only didn’t bother me, it actually put a smile on my face. I appreciated von Trier’s willingness to set his hubris free, to allow it to take him where it took him.

As with Martyrs and Anti-Christ, I cannot in good conscience recommend this film to everyone. However, if you’ve got the stomach for a cinematic descent into Hell—in more ways than one—then The House That Jack Built is not to be missed. It’s a film that will be remembered and watched for as long as films are remembered and watched.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby Cordelia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:06 pm

Gotta see this when released on dvd.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyag7lR8CPA
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby chump » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:52 am



Patrick Stewart, formerly of the Captain Picard fame… does a good job where he plays an older groomer.

(A) groomer is somebody who cultivates young, dispossessed, despondent, disassociated, men… white men… boys, and grooms them, brings them up, gives them a sense of purpose, gives them a sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves… uses them, sucks the energy out of them, sucks the life force out of them.

That’s what a lot of these fucking skinhead groups are about. It didn’t use to be that way. The skinhead movement was something totally different when it originated in the fucking United Kingdom. But, we won’t talk about that.

But, the third type of groomer could also be represented by the FBI and the fucking agents that they use to groom people like Richard Holzer; to use them, set them up, put them in a situation, egg them on, give them a sense of fucking purpose, tell them they’re special, tell them they’re doing something for the fucking cause, something bigger than themselves, then provide them with the means and the opportunity, and even in some cases the target! And then, at the moment of fucking truth, arrest them and parade them around… as examples of how the FBI is out there fighting to keep you save from the plots they create.

They’re groomers: People taking advantage of slower, dimmer, more challenged, younger, naive people for whatever purpose.

[… con’d]


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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby Cordelia » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:21 pm

This being Friday November 22, viewtopic.php?f=8&p=681496#p681496, I’m reminded that I recently watched the 1973 political thriller Day of The Jackal. I’d never seen it and wanted to watch for actor Michael Lonsdale, but he pales next to Edward Fox, cast, early in his career, as the methodical, cold-blooded Jackal.

(It’s not fast-paced as the trailer indicates; but builds slowly & meticulously—maybe more so because there’s no music soundtrack, which is very effective.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbUmn_vtJ54

Film begins w/a reenactment of a 1962 assassination attempt on Charles De Gaulle, which is the departure point for the fictitious plot. Because it was filmed before the multitude of in-depth investigations into JFK’s killing (and, I believe, prior to the release of Zapruder's film for viewing by the general public), the planning, lack of security--given the political climate in Dallas and the attack on UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson one month before--and the sniper skills exposed in Dallas make the film especially sobering to watch.

The scene of the sniper target testing his custom-made rifle is especially chilling (and filmed several years before the Church Committee concluded that 4 shots were fired at Kennedy).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBM3SQwryE

I found the ending disappointing though—too abrupt and largely implausible.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby DrEvil » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:17 pm

I just watched the movie UFO with Gillian Anderson, and was pleasantly surprised. It's about a college math-wiz (Anderson is his professor) trying to decode an alien signal, and that's it (there's some shady government types in there too, but that feels more like filler to add some extra tension to proceedings). There's no fancy special effects, chases or shootouts, just lots of math as he slowly figures things out. The ending could have been better, but all in all a nice little low budget affair that doesn't dumb down the science in usual Hollywood style.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxUcHrPhewY
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:01 pm

I was enjoying the first season of American Gods when, somewhere in the middle, I had the stray thought that a second season would never be much good. Too many premises to sustain more than one round. Now it occurs to me a compendium of American immigration stories by the God of Death might have worked well. Anyway, later I heard the show was quit by Gillian Anderson, who played the New God, Media, in the form of Lucille Ball, David Bowie, and Marilyn Monroe. Which, if you think about it, are exactly the right choices. So maybe she had the same thought about the show. Which I like to think, since I like her. Lust for her, even. (I mean Gillian, and to be honest Lucy too. I like the brainy ones. Sorry, sorry.) Anyway, Season 2 was a dud, except for one brilliant scene about the origins of a Bach requiem, which I cannot find online. But here's this.


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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby DrEvil » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:22 am

American Gods never really clicked with me, so I stopped watching after the first few episodes, but I've never been a big Gaiman fan outside of Sandman. I might try watching it again at some point, but knowing that season two sucks before going in doesn't really add to my enthusiasm.

I also just finished season three of Goliath, and I have to say it's the most psychedelic legal drama around. I'm not sure if it's actually good, but it's definitely memorable, and Dennis Quaid is in top form.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby lucky » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:03 am

Watch 'Bartleby ' ...unless you prefer not to.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby Harvey » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:16 am

A Country of Women or Babushkas of Chernobyl. Highly recommended.







La Soufrière (complete Herzog short.)



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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby semper occultus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:10 pm

Cordelia » 22 Nov 2019 18:21 wrote:I found the ending disappointing though—too abrupt and largely implausible.


I'm looking forward to the Tarantino re-make where the Jackal talks jive about French McDonald's burgers & cathartically wastes the entire French government with a belt-fed machine gun disguised as a crutch

I'm also reminded that there is actually a JFK book that tries to connect the 2 plots

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1935487825/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1

...what most people did not know was that one day after the assassination, the FBI deported a known French assassin and a member of the militant, anti-Charles de-Gaulle organisation the OAS Jean Souetre to either Mexico or Canada. Souetre was involved in anti-De Gaulle terrorist activities in Europe and even tried to recruit the CIA in his efforts to oust de Gaulle. During his career, he used at least 11 aliases, including those of two real people. Why was a known French assassin in Dallas, on the exact day that the president of the United States was killed and what role, if any did he play in the monstrous deed?

This book describes the French Connection to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in a way that most assassination literature has failed to do. This book tells the story using documents and other written sources that were not available years ago. The Warren Commission never fully investigated the activities of Jean Souetre or why he was in Dallas that day.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:44 pm

semper occultus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:10 pm wrote:
Cordelia » 22 Nov 2019 18:21 wrote:I found the ending disappointing though—too abrupt and largely implausible.


I'm looking forward to the Tarantino re-make where the Jackal talks jive about French McDonald's burgers & cathartically wastes the entire French government with a belt-fed machine gun disguised as a crutch


I would download, play at low volume, and fall asleep to that!
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby DrEvil » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:11 pm

The final season of Mr. Robot is currently ongoing, and so far it's been really good with a couple of standout episodes. Silicon Valley is also in its final season, but I'm a little disappointed so far. Not nearly as funny as it used to be.

I've been meaning to watch For All Mankind, but haven't gotten around to it. The imdb rating isn't too good, but I'm not sure how much of that is genuine and how much is "ohmygod there's women and black people in my space show!" fucknuts review bombing it.
The premise is pretty intriguing though: what if the Soviet Union beat the US to the moon?
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby semper occultus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:16 pm

OK that's one person on board...

JackRiddler » 22 Nov 2019 23:01 wrote:Season 2 was a dud, except for one brilliant scene about the origins of a Bach requiem


although you're possibly not the most reliable bell-wether for the typical contemporary tv consumer

( did I mention the bangin' 70's soundtrack of retro hits aswell ? )
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:02 pm

semper occultus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:16 pm wrote:OK that's one person on board...

JackRiddler » 22 Nov 2019 23:01 wrote:Season 2 was a dud, except for one brilliant scene about the origins of a Bach requiem


although you're possibly not the most reliable bell-wether for the typical contemporary tv consumer

( did I mention the bangin' 70's soundtrack of retro hits aswell ? )


The typical contemporary TV consumer, insofar as one exists, has no idea this series existed.

The second season of American Gods averaged a 0.10 rating in the 18-49 demographic and 334,000 viewers. Compared to the first season, that’s down by 65% and 53%, respectively.


Just to show you how weird things have gotten compared to the age of Network TV, current word is that a third AG season is in the offing!

If it was up to music, atmospherics, a hot ensemble, and impact of given scenes, rather than the overall energy you must devote, I'd say, hell yeah.

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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby Cordelia » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:40 pm

semper occultus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:10 pm wrote:
Cordelia » 22 Nov 2019 18:21 wrote:I found the ending disappointing though—too abrupt and largely implausible.


I'm looking forward to the Tarantino re-make where the Jackal talks jive about French McDonald's burgers & cathartically wastes the entire French government with a belt-fed machine gun disguised as a crutch

I'm also reminded that there is actually a JFK book that tries to connect the 2 plots

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1935487825/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1

...what most people did not know was that one day after the assassination, the FBI deported a known French assassin and a member of the militant, anti-Charles de-Gaulle organisation the OAS Jean Souetre to either Mexico or Canada. Souetre was involved in anti-De Gaulle terrorist activities in Europe and even tried to recruit the CIA in his efforts to oust de Gaulle. During his career, he used at least 11 aliases, including those of two real people. Why was a known French assassin in Dallas, on the exact day that the president of the United States was killed and what role, if any did he play in the monstrous deed?

This book describes the French Connection to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in a way that most assassination literature has failed to do. This book tells the story using documents and other written sources that were not available years ago. The Warren Commission never fully investigated the activities of Jean Souetre or why he was in Dallas that day.


Very interesting; thanks for that information.

I'm looking forward to the Tarantino re-make where the Jackal talks jive about French McDonald's burgers & cathartically wastes the entire French government with a belt-fed machine gun disguised as a crutch.


I'm not a Tarantino fan but it might be a more interesting ending. (Tarantino's would make the original's target practice scene look like a demonstration for children on the best way to open a melon.) Actually there was a re-make in 1997 with Bruce Willis as The Jackal and Richard Gere as his pursuer. Didn't see it.
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