"South Park" has declared war on Scientology.

Moderators: DrVolin, Wombaticus Rex, Jeff

RE

Postby Quentin Quire » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:53 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You mischaracterized what I wrote when you replied-<br><br>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>You seem to say that this elite group controls aspects of entertainment from their very genesis to further certain goals.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br>I wrote that higher levels of project management determining financing, editing, and release are allies of social engineers, not necessarily the original writers. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I apologise if I mischaracterized what you wrote. I'm interested in discussing this rationally. <br><br>Like I say, I find much of what you say accurate and feasible. But - and this is not a challenge or a form of antagonism - but who, in your opinion are the social engineers responsible?<br><br>(Not asking you to name names, merely speculate as to who would hold such power) <p></p><i></i>
Quentin Quire
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:48 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Naming names.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:09 pm

QQ, I realize you didn't mean to mischaracterize and I'm interested to hear from someone who actually writes and works in the industry.<br><br>I went into the psycho-political matching of movie to politics in this thread which you might scan for specific movies to see the pattern.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3427.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...3427.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(How to Not Be Diverted, Demoralized, or Diffused)<br><br>Having just watched Steven Spielberg's 'The Terminal' I am inclined to think that he either being given only mind virus movies to make or he seeks them out.<br><br>Some actors like Tom Hanks and Nicholas Cage are in nothing but mind virus movies but they are so prevalent that any name that becomes 'successful' will be made into an effective carrier whether they know it or not.<br><br>So the names that one would be most likely be intentional engineers are probably people I've never heard of in the studio management and the producers who determine how sums of money that only governments and the largest corporations even have access to is spent. <br><br>MindWar is as expensive and technical as BodyWar. <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Hugh Manatee Wins
 
Posts: 9869
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:51 pm
Location: in context
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: RE

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:10 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have a friend who is an Ivy League college teacher who bristles with scoffing indignation when I point at the long history of CIA-academia partnership.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Academics at prestigious institutions tend to be very naive. Their colleagues are mostly dorky smart people who lead boring lives and the culture is very removed from the type and level of mendacious thinking that is so common in Washington political and intelligence circles. <br><br>They tend to believe what they read in the New York Times. Witness especially the extraordinary reluctance of legal scholars to conclude the Bush administration has been completely fraudulent in its legal arguments justifying its actions in the war on terror. They give power the benefit of the doubt at every turn. In addition, most of their endowment and funding comes from govt or corporations and so they're at least subconsciously probably very reluctant to believe that academia might be corrupted by those forces. <p></p><i></i>
NewKid
 
Posts: 1036
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: naive academics

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:14 pm

Academia is a world of mostly specialists who are compartmentalized and thus myopic.<br><br>They also see academia as their church and defend it as 'pure.'<br><br>You're right. They are naive and trusting as are many people with <br>IAAS or Insufficiently Activated Amygdala Syndrome.<br><br>"They wouldn't do that.....would they?'<br><br>They sure as hell did and do. <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Hugh Manatee Wins
 
Posts: 9869
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:51 pm
Location: in context
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: naive academics

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:16 pm

Indeed. Read some of their blogs. Many of them are total dupes. You could con them pretty easily. <p></p><i></i>
NewKid
 
Posts: 1036
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

RE

Postby Quentin Quire » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:28 pm

When I say work I mean I've had one screenplay picked up for no money by a very minor production company and have a few friends in the lower-chains or film-making.<br><br>What I find interesting in the moment is that it seems 'liberal' or 'anti-war' films are becoming viable in the marketplace - films like Syriana and Lord Of War. Whilst Lord of War's politics are simplistic it ends with text saying that the biggest arms dealers - rather than Nick Cages character - are the main members of the UN security council.<br><br>Now - compared to the jingoistic Republican based action films of the 80's I can only see this as a positive thing.<br><br>But - to take it from a 'mind war' perspective - how are these films made and what is their purpose? Are they simply a few crumbs for anti-war and liberal viewers to make them feel that the mainstream media is bi-partisan and unbiased? Or do they represent a deeper fucntion or purpose with rival factions utilising mind war and the entertainment industry for their own ends? Or has the movie industry simply realised there is a market for movie with liberal sentiments and are producing them for simply commerical purposes?<br><br>I honestly don't know. <p></p><i></i>
Quentin Quire
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:48 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: RE

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:40 pm

Quentin, films like Syriana are Bob Baer inspired limited hangout and gatekeeping. They're designed to be edgy without really going anywhere serious parapolitically. True, the movie is somewhat different than See No Evil (and see the director's comments about how mysterious Baer is) but not in any way that matters, and anything involving that guy is immediately suspect. See, e.g., Chaim Kupferberg's article on There's something about Omar: Truth Lies, and the Legend of 9-11.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html" target="top">www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Baer is a key figure of disinformation in my estimation. He isn't the only one. I think Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, Milt Bearden, Jim Bamford, etc. are presently postured in a sort of heroic left wing posture of speaking truth to power on Iraq that's totally contrived. <br><br>Alot of it ties in to a sort of pseudo progressive sentiment in Hollywood. Iraq is bad, but 9-11 was really the hijackers. (Arianna Huffington's blog I suspect was formed, in part, to nourish this type of sentiment, peer pressure, and gatekeeping among progressives.) <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 3/20/06 3:50 pm<br></i>
NewKid
 
Posts: 1036
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Lord of War

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:44 pm

Do read that thread 'How to Not Be Diverted...' etc.<br><br>I explain how just the titles of movies serve the functions intended.<br>The same effect is built into above-the-fold newspaper headlines you see walking past the newspaper box without even stopping to buy it.<br><br>Few Americans actually go watch any given movie to get the many built in mind virus velcro bits that stick, especially to children's minds for they are the biggest insert point for social engineering 'events.'<br> <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But they see the title </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->and the advertising and subliminal messages, emotional tones, neuroliguistic programming is built into it and is half of the binary agents of state-controlled (mainstream) news narratives and 'escapist' entertainment. <br><br>Example:<br>When the unPatriot Act was up for renewal in Fall 2005 we saw billboards for a Jodie Foster plane hijacking thriller called 'Flight Plan.'<br><br>Example:<br>When the disaster in Iraq was being aknowledged as just that in Summer 2005 we got 'Chicken Little.'<br><br>Example:<br>Now that an Abu Ghraib dog-handler is being prosecuted we have 'The Shaggy Dog.' Don't want to be reminded of the bleeding prisoner everytime Johnny feeds Rover, right?<br><br>Example:<br>Global warming is real and the ice caps are melting so we get 'Ice Age,' 'March of the Penguin,' 'Ice Age II: The Meltdown' and even propaganda for kids on NASA's website-<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/F_Contrails_5-8.html">www.nasa.gov/audience/for...s_5-8.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Psychic shock-absorbers, alternative narratives, concern diffusers, etc.<br><br>Get....the picture? (sorry, I couldn't resist.) <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Hugh Manatee Wins
 
Posts: 9869
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:51 pm
Location: in context
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Lord of War

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:52 pm

I'm a little suspicious of Laurie David's massive global warming is here campaign as well. <p></p><i></i>
NewKid
 
Posts: 1036
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: RE

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:04 pm

This one got lost in the quick shuffle with QQ. Hugh, Do you have an opinion on this?<br><br><br>Hugh, Aquino in Mindwar talks about the atmospheric electromagnetic activity, air ionization, and extremely low frequency waves as being part of what can induce minds to be more or less receptive to ideas. And of course, that was in 1980. <br><br>Alex Constantine has written extensively on electromagnetic assault on individiuals as a form of testing and/or harrassment, but I don't recall that he argued it was being implemented on a society wide basis. <br><br>To what extent do you think this is present in modern society?<br> <p></p><i></i>
NewKid
 
Posts: 1036
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: RE

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:17 pm

Hugh, I agree that there's something weird about Nick Cage being in a shit load of films that seem to have some sort of psyop/social messaging in them. <p></p><i></i>
NewKid
 
Posts: 1036
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Aquino on EMG, ELF, and other physical sciences

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:27 pm

A tenet of the religion of technology which is also military doctrine is-<br>'That which can be done, will be.'<br><br>I have no doubt that efforts to use anything they can on a population without announcing it is going on just as MKUltra and bioweapon testing was/is used on unsuspecting Americans.<br><br>But by Aquino's linking unheard of technologies with the almost 100 year-old techonology of propaganda, people are distracted by the woo woo of sci-fi toys and lose sight of the total immersion MindWar that defines our pop culture and 'news.' <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Hugh Manatee Wins
 
Posts: 9869
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:51 pm
Location: in context
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Aquino on EMG, ELF, and other physical sciences

Postby Dreams End » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:14 pm

Cartman could kick L. Ron's ass. <br><br>Long article on the campaign:<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/newtimes-tory-92701.html">www.lermanet.com/scientol...92701.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Woops...it's actually about a defector. Interesting.<br><br>The article is about a high level scientologist who used to obsessively post rambling, disruptive posts on an anti-scientology newsgroup. (That sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't quite place it.)<br><br>Anyway, THE anti scientologist who hosts "operation clambake at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.xenu.net/">www.xenu.net/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> wrote her a polite email telling her that her rambling posts were hard to follow...she was struck by his politeness...and eventually ended up defecting.<br><br>So...one lesson I learned is that I should be nicer. I'll try. but it's an interesting story. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 3/20/06 8:25 pm<br></i>
Dreams End
 

devil may care

Postby Gouda » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:51 am

Really good story in there. Here is the moment of truth, when Norwegian Andreas Heldal-Lund (anti-scientologist) and Bezazian (former rabid scientologist) converse after Heldal-Lund had kindly given advice to Bezazian about her online posting style. From the lermanet link DE posted: <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Writing in the first person plural as if she were a group of Scientologists, Bezazian asked Heldal-Lund on July 14 to explain how he could maintain such a horrific Website. "What is your actual goal?" she asked.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"This is like asking for my meaning of life," the Norwegian responded. "I care when I see injustices. I don't like lies and fraud. I'm especially sensitive to lies and deceit that few oppose because there is a threat connected to doing so.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> I saw this when I investigated [the Church of Scientology.] I'm not saying...that all scientologists are bad...I believe they are good people with the best intentions....But they are (in my opinion) misguided and wasting their good efforts and time..."<br><br>Bezazian realized that everything Heldal-Lund was saying in this and several other early messages in their correspondence -- about his belief in openness, free speech and the search for truth -- were the tenets that she believed had always been at the core of her own being. Instead, Bezazian says, she admitted to herself that she'd been living very differently, encouraged by Scientology to lie continually. To lie to others about how well Hubbard's tech was helping her life, to lie about how much she was enjoying herself on OT VII, to ignore the truth about the excesses and inconsistencies of an organization she'd belonged to for so long.<br><br>She knows now that spending weeks debating critics on a.r.s. had prepared her for this moment. The arguments she encountered there -- about the Lisa McPherson case, the raids in Europe, about the high price of reaching OT levels and dozens of other topics -- had increasingly rung true for her. "It was like the critics were beginning to poke holes in the walls of my Truman Show," she says. "Sunshine was starting to pour inside."<br><br>She uses another analogy: For 30 years she had constructed her life like a skyscraper made of playing cards. Participating on a.r.s. had yanked away so many cards that only one remained holding up her entire belief system.<br><br>And then Andreas Heldal-Lund gave that card a pull.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"In the long run I believe that my ethical acts towards [Scientologists] might have some small positive effect," Heldal-Lund wrote on July 17, responding to Magoo's query about why he seemed so much more polite than some other church critics. "I don't believe in single acts saving anybody, it's the sum of many that do the trick," </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->he added, writing that he had occasionally received e-mails from former church members who thanked him for his efforts to provide well-researched information critical of the church.<br><br>-snip-<br><br>"Andreas telling me to believe in myself -- that's what changed my life," she says.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Gouda
 
Posts: 3009
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:53 am
Location: a circular mould
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Allowing people to save face and change

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"It was like the critics were beginning to poke holes in the walls of my Truman Show," she says. "Sunshine was starting to pour inside."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sunshine, not an interrogation lamp.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>To be a revolutionary today is to be a therapist and healer, not a fighter.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>How about trying to explain to the American Taliban that this is what is meant by "the second coming of Jesus"?<br><br>That is the way to talk to people and avoid feeding agit prop. <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Hugh Manatee Wins
 
Posts: 9869
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:51 pm
Location: in context
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to Scientology

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest