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*triggering* Hubbard, Crowley and abortion rituals

Postby biaothanatoi » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:30 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm" target="top">This may have been posted before</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> – it is the 1983 interview with L. Ron Hubbard Jr, the son of the founder of Scientology.<br><br>The general gist of the article is that Hubbard was an ex-OTO member (which we already know) and practicing Satanist. What is particularly interesting is Jnr’s belief that his father had been practicing “abortion rituals” since the 1930s, and that not only was he a product of such a ritual, but he had witnessed at least one while still a child.<br><br>His account of his father’s Satanic beliefs are congruent with what we know about modern Satanism, in both it’s mainstream and underground/RA forms, such as the belief in self-apotheosis, etc. We also know that Crowley was kicked out of Italy in 1923 for abortion rituals and fetal sacricice. It seems likely to me that Jnr is telling the truth.<br><br>I recently read Dianne Core’s book “Chasing Satan”, which is essentially an account of how not to approach ritual abuse – without research, without boundaries, without perspective, and with a whole lot of vicarious trauma. However, it contains a reference to a ritually abusive perpetrator whose phone records (revealed during a police investigation) that he made regular calls to abortion clinics all around the UK.<br><br>Then cue these revelations from last year, in which the question of trafficking in fetuses was raised in <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/04/international/europe/04france.html?ex=1280808000&en=43ef4920eb4dfd6f&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss" target="top">France</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> and <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4293934.stm" target="top">Columbia</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. In the Columbian case, traffickers were attempting to smuggle fetuses into the United States.<br><br>This is possibly the most disturbing request I've ever made, but: Does anyone know of any more links or information regarding "abortion rituals" or an underground trade in fetuses? <p></p><i></i>
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abortion rituals

Postby mother » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:05 pm

Hey biaothanatoi, I've got some knowledge of this, but I can't stand dealing with it today, or dealing with pro-abortionists' rage...when I get some strength perhaps I can be of some help. There are a lot of grotesque uses for aborted babies, unforunately. <p></p><i></i>
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LRH lied about his military service

Postby dbeach » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:32 pm

He never saw combat but was considered a WW II Veteran..This is a very trick topic in Vets circles.<br> Prescott Bush worea combat medal he NEVER earned and <br> G W Bush may have worn an air medal he never earned.. <br>G H W Bush may have ditched the plane in WW II which killed his 2 crew members..<br><br>The top players get away with lies..while we are taught that lying is wrong and to tell the Truth is the only way out..<br><br>More conditioning by PTB<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/Scien32.html">www.rickross.com/referenc...ien32.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"Judge found Hubbard lied about achievements <br>Boston Herald/March 1, 1998<br>By Joseph Mallia <br><br><br>The Church of Scientology's late founder, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, left behind a $ 640 million fortune, and an estimated 25 million words in books and lectures that form the spiritual core of his controversial religion.<br><br>But some of those words are a legacy of exaggerations, half-truths and outright lies, according to Hubbard's son, court records and critics.<br><br>"The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be reflective of its founder LRH," wrote California Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge during a top Scientology defector's court suit against the church.<br><br>"The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements," said Breckenridge, who ruled for defector Gerry Armstrong in the 1984 case.<br><br>Some claims by L. Ron Hubbard are hard to refute, like his ideas about past lives. He said he was the reincarnation of Buddha, and of British adventurer Cecil Rhodes, the founder of the former Rhodesia.<br><br>Other assertions are transparent.<br><br>Hubbard - who died in 1986 - claimed to be a nuclear physicist who traveled into outer space without his body to explore the Earth's Van Allen radiation belt. But his two-year stay at George Washington University in 1931-32 shows that he flunked his only course in nuclear physics.<br><br>One of Hubbard's key declarations - that by mental powers alone he healed combat wounds he received as a World War II Navy hero - formed the basis of Scientology in the 1950s.<br><br>While recovering from war injuries, he "developed techniques which made possible not only his own recovery from injury, but helped other servicemen to regain their health," the Church of Scientology claims in a 1992 edition of Hubbard's book "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health."<br><br>As a Navy lieutenant, Hubbard commanded at least three ships during the war, including one in the Atlantic - a converted fishing boat, the YP-422, refitted during several months in 1942-43 at the Boston Navy Yard, Navy records show.<br><br>In early Scientology biographies it was claimed that Hubbard fought German submarines in the Atlantic. And as recently as January, the Church of Scientology's official Internet site said Hubbard "saw action" in the North Atlantic during the war.<br><br>But, in an interview with the Herald, a sailor who served on Hubbard's ship contradicted that claim.<br><br>"The YP-422 never saw combat," said former Navy fireman Eugene LaMere, 78, an upstate New York native who now lives in Maryland.<br><br>The YP-422 was refitted as a freighter armed with only a 3-inch gun and two .30-caliber machine guns, said LaMere, the first former crewman with direct knowledge of the ship's activities to publicly dispute Hubbard's claim to have seen combat as commander of the YP-422.a" <p></p><i></i>
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Re: abortion rituals

Postby biaothanatoi » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:12 pm

Hi Mother,<br><br>I understand. It's such a persistent element in the disclosures of RA survivors that it clearly points to a much bigger problem.<br><br>There is a little bit of research around trafficking in fetuses but this is mainly to do with underground medical experimentation. It's a common practice in extreme occult/RA activity but there's is very little available information on it.<br><br>This area is incredibly politically charged - could you imagine the response if we aired claims that Satanists were trafficking in fetal matter? I keep coming back to Linda Blood's motto: "There is no defense against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists".<br><br>B <p></p><i></i>
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Re: abortion rituals

Postby Col Quisp » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:55 pm

A bit off-topic but still $cientology related, from Wikipedia, on the article about his book "Have You Lived Before":<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hubbard, who was extremely enthusiastic about the project, announced a sequel called Where Were You Buried? was in the works. He instructed his auditors to checking all preclears for recent deaths, and then to physically locate their place of burial. The book was never released. (Ability, Number 114)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_You_Lived_Before_This_Life">wiki</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>The $cam was to tell people how to find where their past lives were buried so they could visit their old bodies. Ever read about Xenu? I suggest it. It's enlightening! Xenu was faced with overpopulation, so he lured the "people" by saying they were there for income tax inspections, and then made them watch some 3D movie for 36 days. This is why our modern theatres all have the same features -- our "body thetans" (those "people" who have attached themselves to our souls) have a collective memory of theatres. How absurd is that? It gets better.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu">xenu</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Schizo rantings from LRH

Postby Col Quisp » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:34 am

Here are some quotes from Wikipedia on the "space opera" of Scientology:<br><br>Gorilla Goals<br><br>A black gorilla was said by Hubbard to have been used by the Hoipolloi to implant the Gorilla Goals.<br><br>The Gorilla Goals were a series of implants created by invaders from Helatrobus "between about 319 trillion years ago to about 256 trillion trillion years ago" (or 89 trillion trillion years ago in another Hubbard lecture). They were<br><br> given in an amusement park with a single tunnel, a roller coaster and a Ferris wheel ... The symbol of a Gorilla was always present in the place the goal was given. Sometimes a large gorilla, black, was seen elsewhere than the park. A mechanical or a live gorilla was always seen in the park.<br><br> This activity was conducted by the Hoipolloi, a group of operators in meat body societies. They were typical carnival people. They let out concessions for these implant "Amusement Parks." A pink-striped white shirt with sleeve garters was the uniform of the Hoipolloi. Such a figure often rode on the roller coaster cars. Monkeys were also used on the cars. Elephants sometimes formed part of the equipment.<br> ("Routine 3N: Line Plots", HCOB 14 July 1963)<br><br>The Hoipolloi used "fantastic motion" as well as "blasts of raw electricity and explosions" to brainwash the hapless thetans into accepting the Gorilla Goals. The goals themselves were a series of simple tasks intended to trick the thetans into limiting their inherent abilities, with the goals including "To End", "To be Dead", "To be Asleep", "To be Solid", "To be Sexual" and so on.<br><br>...<br>Obscene Dog Incident<br><br>In the "Assists" lecture of October 3, 1968, Hubbard described a surreal cosmological event said to take place shortly after Incident I (the creation of the universe): "There's the incident called "The Obscene Dog" with it's just a little bit later than Incident One. And sometimes actually by running it, why you can get the PC into Incident One. The Obscene Dog was a sort of a brass dog in a sitting position and anybody who got around to the front of the dog got caught in some electronic current and passed through the dog to the dogs rear end and spat out. Thetans didn't like this." [6]<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera_in_Scientology_doctrine">wiki</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html#obscdog">obscene dog</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>the last link will take you to recordings of LRH himself talking about the "obscene dog incident."<br><br>Do these sound like mind control techniques to you? No wonder Tom Cruise went bonkers when he tried to attain one of the OT levels. I mean, who wouldn't, while trying to follow these schizophrenic paths? <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Schizo rantings from LRH

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:39 am

I just picked up in a used book store a copy of 'L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman?' written by Bent Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard Jr. and published in 1987.<br><br>I'm just scanned it and found mostly pathetic or abusive events including rape.<br><br>And now the CIA has apparently taken over the cult.<br>I see these people with their 'e-meters' offering "free stress tests" to passersby in my city. Grrr...<br><br>And we're supposed to worry about Islamofascists. Yikes.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/veritas/cst/cst-cia.htm">www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.c...st-cia.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>DO ED DAMES AND THE CIA HAVE A LICENSE FROM CST TO USE L. RON HUBBARD'S WORKS? <br><br>The Church of Spiritual Technology--doing business as the "L. Ron Hubbard Library," and currently the defendant in the $190-million libel suit that we set out several centuries ago (in Planet Veritas time) to cover--owns all the copyrights to all of L. Ron Hubbard's works. Anchor points. Dimension points. "The Grand Tour." The works. <br><br>That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology who has weird ties to IRS, leading to the tax-exempt status which helped get them ownership of those copyrights. <br><br>That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology that is defendant in a libel suit whose judge has ties to government intelligence-agency oversight commitees. <br><br>That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology who has spent, or allowed to be spent, countless millions of dollars tracking down and prosecuting--some would say "persecuting"--people that they scathingly describe as "copyright terrorists"--which means, as well as we can determine, people who use or distribute CST-owned copyrighted material improperly or without a license. Of course, CST--who, like the proverbial elephant with red-painted toenails hiding in a cherry tree, is always trying to remain invisible--hasn't been SEEN going after their nemesis "copyright terrorists." They use their yard-dog, the Religious Technology Center (RTC), to do the down-and-dirty courtroom ankle-gnawing. But RTC is just another licensee of the Church of Spiritual Technology, and so is merely fronting for the real copyright owners--CST. <br><br>So why is CIA's Major Ed Dames allowed to rake in millions using technology that demonstrably derives from these copyrighted materials, while CST sits by quietly? <br><br>Why did the CIA use Scientology OTs to create remote viewing? <br><br>How did "former" intelligence people like Puthoff and Swann get onto the Scientology OT Levels in the first place--since Hubbard had forbidden such people to be allowed on Scientology courses? <br><br>"BUNK," MAJOR ED? WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT "BUNK" <br><br>Major Ed Dames created his money-making venture using technology that HE claims was developed by the CIA in research (using millions of tax dollars), and in which he was the Training and Operations Officer for "a new psychic intelligence community." <br><br>Well, we think that's just ducky. <br><br>Yet he vigorously denies that Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann, and Pat Price were Scientologists; he vigorously denies that they were key players in the development of "remote viewing;" and he vigorously denies that "anchor points" are a discovery of L. Ron Hubbard. <br><br>Well, we say, "bunk" to your denials, Major Ed. <br><br>We think you have a damn good reason for trying to downplay and hide the Scientology-CIA-remote-viewing connections. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why Puthoff and Swann had intelligence backgrounds before getting into Scientology. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why they had no sooner reached the secret upper levels of Scientology, than they were back under the wing of CIA developing remote viewing for the "new psychic intelligence community." <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why psychiatrist Dr. Louis Jolyn "Jolly" West--a brainwashing specialist with CIA ties going back to the early '50's, when L. Ron Hubbard first exposed government brainwashing techniques and mind-control experiments--was also connected with the CIA's Remote Viewing Program. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why the judge in the instant case involving CST--Judge Frances Rothschild--has well-documented ties both to IRS/Treasury, and to Intelligence Oversight committees in the federal government, and why Rothschild got put onto the case through the expedient of the first judge recusing herself. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why CST was co-founded by a former Assistant to the Commissioner of IRS, who just happened to be there at IRS while an IRS employee was feeding government documents to senior Scientology officials--which ultimately got those officials jailed, and made it possible for CST to get possession of all the copyrights containing the technology that CIA appropriated for its own use. <br><br>And we think any effort to cover all this stinking rot up is BUNK, Major Ed. Or worse. <br><br>We think the evidence of connections between federal government agencies and CST is now overwhelming, Major Ed, and that only a real idiot could ignore it. We think that there's even a possibility that Dr. "Jolly" West helped mix Scientology technology with Jungian psychology so that it could be slickly packaged up and sold off as "remote viewing" to the gullible public--pretending that it's exactly what the government is using (yeah, right), while, in fact, CIA (and DIA, and NSA, and the alphabet soup group) keep the real stuff for themselves. <br><br>We also think that CST is packaging altered versions of the original Hubbard works, and selling those off disguised as the real thing, too. <br><br>But that's just what WE think, Major Ed. What do YOU think? <br><br>Oh, that's right. We remember now. You say it's all "bunk." And you wouldn't lie, would you Major Ed? Why, hell--you're a "former" United States intelligence officer. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: abortions

Postby havanagilla » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:55 am

This is indeed very triggering. I remember when I first read "wild stuff" about ritual abortions and fetuses, I thought it was fantasy. Later, when I reconstructed my own abortions, which I rationalized for many years, I had a very bad feeling in my stomach, so much so that I am quite sure I do not need/want to pick the wounds. <br>--<br>For a few years I felt strongly against "pro choice" feminists, but now I realize that not ALL abortions are ritual satanism. However, I think that this is the lowest crime of all. And in the context of MC/RA it is worse than murder. I feel sick to the stomach just writing or thinking about it. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: abortions

Postby Dreams End » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:16 am

Still reading. One doesn't need to have an anti-abortion position simply to accept the possibility of this (I have no idea if it's true.) People also do things to cadavers, but this is not an indictment of funeral homes (however, I'll bet you ANYTHING that there is a pretty wide network of "dirty" funeral homes that dispose of bodies for all kinds of folks...at the very least organized crime.)<br><br>I had no idea that L.Ron Jr. even existed. So, though we can't assume everything he says is true (he could spin here and there to woo a potential audience) most of what I've read so far in the article matches what others have said. And we know about the Crowley connection. So why lie on this one point? I can't think of a reason unless he found himself popular among more religious folks and wanted to juice up his story. However, like the Moonies, Scientologists don't seem usually to be on the radar of more fundamentalist religious types. So that really doesn't make sense either.<br><br>I look forward to reading more about it. Well, "look forward" is not the right way to say it.<br><br>Here's a whole book on Hubbard and Scientology you can read online. I haven't yet done so:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.factnet.org/Books/PieceOfBlueSky/contents.htm">www.factnet.org/Books/PieceOfBlueSky/contents.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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freedom of choice

Postby blanc » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:43 pm

where anti abortion extremists and ra -ers link arms is intent to control female sexuality. fear of a power that is not theirs.<br><br>survivor accounts too frequently make reference to this subject matter for there to be any room for doubt.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: abortions

Postby havanagilla » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:46 pm

Certainly DE, it doesn't follow that anti abortion is valid, but emotionally, taking the extreme position is probably, at least for a while. Same goes with victims susceptibility to religious fundamentalism, following a satanic experience. Taking refuge in extreme religious view serves to shield the victim from pain, for a while. Of course, if one has better recovery support, this further denial is unnecessary. The main pain is the false guilt. namely, if one had to go abortion under MC/SRA coercion, one would still feel very guilty and sad, for years after that happened. Maternal instincts are very strong, and the perps rely on it to keep victims shattered for years and feeling ashamed and guilty. religion then appears as the voice of sanity, light, victory of god over satan etc. UNTIL the defense collapses..cause naturally, religious establishment has as much control and satanism as any other group/place/views.<br>--<br>Meeting the pain head on, without some false protective "worldview" that provides a temporary illusion of order and morality, to hang on to is very hard. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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maternal instinct and free choices

Postby blanc » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:16 pm

extrapolating from ra cases I know of, the maternal instinct is used against the mother (to be), as something which will bludgeon her for ever. choice has never come into it.<br><br>on the road to recovery, all props are valid. only caveat, don't carry them along when you can stride ahead without them. I don't criticise - after all I light candles in churches for children who were taken by the bastards, and I know its just a prop I need, to salve my helplessness.<br><br><br><br><br> the vehement anti abortionists (I generalise) focus on putting pretty helpless desperate women through even more pain , rather than on providing the means by which children can be raised in peace and liberty. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: maternal instinct and free choices

Postby havanagilla » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:05 pm

yes, i think some of us get stuck in false "worldviews" because of - difficulty to acknowledge yet another lie/pitfall/wrong turn. Others, are tired to make changes again.<br>--<br>From my experience - if I can sort of make a rough demarcation, my active MC life ended around age 35-6. Then I landed into 2 years fundie support group. Left the group and the fundiesm, realizing it was a crutch I don't need anymore, ran away from Israel again hanging on to a false belief that "all this evil has to do with Israel" to realize that the israeli perps have many friends in the USA and Canada, also in gov (so obviously, the division bn Israel (bad)/elsewhere(good) was as false as my "religious trip". Had to give that one up as well, landed back here very tired. I don't think someone can be expected to fall/get up, fall/get up...forever. So, I suppose if a victim was stuck in fundiesm forever, I'd find it a sound decision given the span of on life and given the intensity of the former lifestyle (as MC/SRA victim). I sometimes feel that too much burden is cast on victims, or a demand for perfection which is not applied to regular folks. <br>---<br>I want to remind people what life as victim means - it is around the clock intense madness, "routine" fear of such levels that people rarely experience at all, not to mention on a daily basis; physical and mental torture which cannot be adequately described; constant "uprooting" and sense of "on the run", no refuge, no place of safety, no inner or external "home"; even sleep is controlled and messed up with, a lot of nightmares, drugging and "stuff" occuring at night. I think most victims are worn out on all levels which is also how they end up dying I believe (exhaustion, desease, suicide). Many of those who survived found refuge in False belief systems, extremist groups and what not. I don't blame them, and this is a much better life than what they had. There are more fundies WHO WEREN"T victims, than those who were. but nobody blames them and picks their brain out to find out whether they propagate crap. (and those who do that here in the board know what I mean). <br>---<br>I sometimes regret that awakening I had re the fundie rabbi. I was married then to one of the "cult", at least I had someone to cuddle with at night, someone who kept me warm, someone who brought a cup of tea. So, I did have to comply with bizarre religious stuff (like all other orthodox Jews do, including most of them who were not victims of MC), and there was some exploitation by the rabbi (he extorted "chores" from everyone, but you know he didnt rape kids, or asked people to give up their bank accounts for him, he was just constantly thinking the universe revolved around him, as a messenger of God. considering what I went through since then, I am not sure which was the "right decision". I have to vent out frustration tonight, that the level of support from the "good regular folks" is ZERO, on the contrary, it is the usual picking the brains and inducing guilt in the victim, with perpetual suspicion and self protection to the point of selfishness. (if not sometimes outright exploitation, as I have experience by "liberal activists" in canada). So...have some compassion.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: maternal instinct and free choices

Postby thoughtographer » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:31 pm

I read this years ago in Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science". It should be quite clear why I'm posting it here. I'm not a huge fan of Gardner or his camp, but when something's right, I don't chuck it. <br><br>Here's a relevant portion, FWIW:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What, precisely, is dianetics?<br><br>Briefly, it is the view that all mental aberrations (neuroses, psychoses, and psychosomatic ills) are caused by "engrams." To make this clear, however, we must first make a journey through the jungle of Hubbard's elaborate terminology.<br><br>The conscious mind is called by Hubbard the "analytical mind." It operates like a gigantic computing machine. The working is flawless. It may, however, direct the body in an aberrated manner if it is fed false data by the unconscious mind.<br><br>The unconscious mind is termed the "reactive mind." Actually, it is always conscious -- even when a person is sleeping, or "unconscious" from some other cause. The reactive mind is incapable of "thinking" or "remembering." It is a moron. But when the analytical mind becomes unconscious or semi-conscious, in a manner associated with bodily pain or painful emotion, the reactive mind starts to make "recordings." These recordings are called "engrams." They are like phonograph records except that they record, in addition to sounds, all the perceptions received by the reactive mind while the analytical mind is "turned off."<br><br>Hubbard illustrates this with the following example: "A woman is knocked down by a blow. She is rendered 'unconscious.' She is kicked and told she is a faker, that she is no good, that she is always changing her mind. A chair is overturned in the process. A faucet is running in the kitchen. A car is passing in the street outside. The engram contains a running record of all these perceptions: sight, sound, tactile, taste, smell, organic sensation, kinetic sense, joint position, thirst record, etc. The engram would consist of the whole statement made to her when she was 'unconscious': the voice tones and emotion in the voice, the sound and feel of the original and later blows, the tactile of the floor, the feel and sound of the chair overturning, the organic sensation of the blow, perhaps the taste of blood in her mouth or any other taste present there, the smell of the person attacking her and the smells in the room, the sound of the passing car's motor and tires, etc."<br><br>Engrams, then, are perceptual recordings made when the analytical mind is turned off in a manner associated with pain or painful emotion. Unconsciousness because of injury, anesthetics, illness, drugs -- even an alcoholic stupor -- are sufficiently "painful" to produce engrams. Since the reactive mind is an idiot, incapable of evaluating, everything it experiences goes into the engrams. These engrams are filed away in the "reactive bank." Hubbard has classified and labeled them in various ways -- such as bouncers, denyers, groupers, holders, and misdirectors -- but we need not go into these distinctions. Nor will we have space to discuss his "demon circuits" -- commanding demons, critical demons, listen-to-me demons, tell-you-what-to-say demons, and so on. A glossary of the major Hubbardian terms will be found at the back of Dianetics.<br><br>All neuroses, psychoses, and psychosomatic ailments (including the common cold and possibly diabetes and cancer) are caused by engrams. In most cases, the trouble-making engrams are recorded before one is born. This introduces us to Hubbard's most revolutionary concept -- the prenatal engram.<br><br>In Dianetics, you learn that the embryo is capable of recording engrams immediately after conception. How these records are made, since the embryo does not develop sense organs until late in its history, remains a profound mystery. They take place on a cellular level, involving some unknown type of change within the protoplasm. According to Hubbard, life in the womb is far from Paradise. "Mama sneezes, baby gets knocked 'unconscious.' Mama runs lightly and blithely into a table and baby gets its head stoved in. Mama has constipation and baby, in the anxious effort, gets squashed. Papa becomes passionate and baby has the sensation of being put into a running washing machine. Mama gets hysterical, baby gets an engram. Papa hits Mama, baby gets an engram. Junior bounces on Mama's lap, baby gets an engram. And so it goes."<br><br>It is also very noisy in the uterus. "Intestinal squeaks and groans, flowing water, belches, flatulation and other body activities of the mother produce a continual sound.... When mother takes quinine a high ringing noise may come into being in the foetal ears as well as her own -- a ringing which will carry through a person's whole life." Moreover, the uterus is very tight in later prenatal life. If Mama has high blood pressure, "it is extremely horrible in the womb."<br><br>In addition to being knocked out by blows, coughs, sneezes, vomiting, and so on, the poor embryo can also be rendered unconscious by the violent pressures of the sex act, and -- understandably -- by attempted abortions. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Throughout his book, Hubbard reveals a deep-seated hatred of women, but this hatred is most clearly indicated by his obsession with what dianeticians call "AA" -- attempted abortion. When Hubbard's Mamas are not getting kicked in the stomach by their husbands or having affairs with lovers, they are preoccupied with AA -- usually by means of knitting needles. "Twenty or thirty abortion attempts are not uncommon in the aberee," Hubbard writes, "and in every attempt the child could have been pierced through the body or brain."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> These experiences naturally produce the worst engrams because they are usually accompanied by verbal expressions charged with emotion. Since all these remarks are recorded literally by the embryo, they create engrams capable of causing great damage in later life when they are fed as data to the conscious mind.<br><br>To cite an example from Hubbard: Papa beats Mama on the stomach, knocking baby unconscious. At the same time Papa yells, "Take that! Take it, I tell you. You've got to take it!" Later in life, these sentences are interpreted literally, and the person becomes a kleptomaniac or thief. "Oh, this language of ours," Hubbard exclaims sadly, "which says everything it doesn't mean! Put into the hands of the moronic reactive mind, what havoc it wreaks! Literal interpretation of everything!"<br><br>Before a prenatal engram can cause damage, however, it must be "keyed in." This occurs when the person has a painful experience which closely resembles, in some respect, the dormant engram. Hubbard illustrates this by citing another mother, struck in the abdomen by her husband. The husband shouts, "God damn you, you filthy whore: you're no good!" This engram contains a headache, a falling body, the grating of teeth, and the mother's intestinal sounds. Several years later, the child is slapped by the father who says, "God damn you: you're no good." The child cries, and that night has a headache. The engram has been "keyed in." "Now the sound of a falling body or grating teeth or any trace of anger of any kind in the father's voice will make the child nervous. His physical health will suffer. He will begin to have headaches."<br><br>Here are a few additional samples from Hubbard of how prenatal engrams cause later difficulties. A pregnant mother is straining for a bowel movement. This compresses the baby into painful unconsciousness. The mother talks to herself and says, "Oh, this is hell. I am all jammed up inside. I feel so stuffy I can't think. This is too terrible to be borne." Later in life the child has frequent colds ("I feel so stuffy..."). An inferiority complex develops because he feels he is "too terrible to be born." (Puns of this sort turn up frequently in dianetic therapy. An auditor reported recently that a psychosomatic rash on the backside of a lady patient was caused by prenatal recordings of her mother's frequent requests for aspirin. The literal reactive mind had been feeding this to her analytical mind in the form of "ass burn.")<br><br>Another of Hubbard's patients was a morose young man whose attitude toward life was expressed by Hamlet's famous line, "To be or not to be, that is the question." Hubbard's therapy revealed that the man's mother, when pregnant, had been beaten by an actor husband who then proceeded to recite from Hamlet. And so, Hubbard writes, the young man "would sit for hours in a morose apathy wondering about life." <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>From: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/gardner/">Martin Gardner Evaluates Dianetics</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: *triggering* Hubbard, Crowley and abortion rituals

Postby professorpan » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:24 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We also know that Crowley was kicked out of Italy in 1923 for abortion rituals and fetal sacricice.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Do you have a source for this? <br><br>PP <p></p><i></i>
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