*triggering* Hubbard, Crowley and abortion rituals

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Re:serono biotech-repro(ab)duction ?

Postby havanagilla » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:00 am

Don't know how to assess the info, but someone wrote a backtalk in Israel suggesting that in 1973 a local branch of aforementioned biotech corp was granted permission to run medical experiments on prisoners and to develop "genetic terror" (?? his words). I googled the corp, it deals with<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> "reproduction</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->" and it fits in the thread. Anyone had dirt on Serono ? (it is a Swiss based multi with large US branch). Any corroborating dirt ? <br>--<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: He's Baaack!

Postby Col Quisp » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:34 pm

Is this the son of Elron?<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060412/capt.la10404122050.cruise_baby_birth_la104.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060412/482/la10404122050">yahoo</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Self-professed 'Scientology mom,' Michelle Seward is photographed with her 5-year-old son, Sage, at the Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre in the Hollywood section of Los Angeles Tuesday, April 11, 2006. The tenets of Scientology hold that words spoken during birth and other painful times are recorded by the 'reactive mind,' or subconscious, and can have a negative impact in on mother and baby later in life. 'I had a happy, calm baby,' she said. 'I know it's because of the way I delivered him.' (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: He's Baaack!

Postby sunny » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:50 pm

Was going to post about EPA experiments on children to test the toxic effects of chemicals and found some good news:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa-alert.htm">www.organicconsumers.org/epa-alert.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>NOTE TO READER: THANKS TO PRESSURE FROM CITIZENS AND THE SENATE THE EPA HAS CANCELLED THIS STUDY. READ MORE HERE:<br><br>4/12/2005 - Responding to Consumer and Senate Pressure, EPA Finally Drops CHEERS Study <br><br>Sign petition to end human testing of known toxins <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Satanic rebirth rituals

Postby semper occultus » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:55 am

Had a couple of minutes spare so scanned article from Journal of Psychohistory "Why Cults Terrorise & Kill Children" by LLoyd De Mause.<br>please <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>page down</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> to Pages 7-13 of my data-dump thread entitled "Larouchie stuff"<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=91.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=91.topic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Satanic rebirth rituals

Postby Dreams End » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:22 am

I look forward to reading the DeMaus stuff. Well, again, "look forward" is not the right way to say it. S.O., how do you see DeMaus. I was very struck in other things I've read by him, by his ideas about how prevalent such abuse is in our and other societies. However, his "psychohistory" approach to understanding world history seemed to miss the mark, though I haven't read much about it. Curious what you think...maybe the data dump is a more appropriate place for any comments you have on that. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: *triggering* Hubbard, Crowley and abortion rituals

Postby professorpan » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:26 am

Biao,<br><br>Thanks for the references. They still seem to be largely hearsay, though. Your original comment, that "Crowley was kicked out of Italy in 1923 for abortion rituals and fetal sacrifice," I would relegate to the "maybe, maybe not" file. Crowley was such an incendiary figure, it's hard to know what to believe. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Satanic rebirth rituals

Postby semper occultus » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:03 pm

I too am not that familiar with his work - this is the only copy of the journal I've got - but looking back on it I am certainly intrigued enough to look into his stuff more.<br><br>Clearly his ideas can be taken to a reductionist extreme to try & explain every facet of world history but they do seem quite powerful & insightful in particular if one is troubled & fascinated by extreme abusive , violent & transgressive outgrowths like fascism , satanic cult / SRA activities & paedophilia. These phenomena seem to me to undoubtedly share some common origin as the acting-out of some form of deeply-rooted disturbed pathological or psychopathic mind-set politically , religiously or sexually & DeMause describes this phenomenon very well.<br><br>There are two reasons why his framework seems important for understanding :<br>In shedding light on the links that exist between fascist / occult / paedo activities & the motivations of the people behind them.<br><br>In disawowing the need for ideas of international organised conspiracies to explain the commonality of victim's experiences - thus cutting-off at the knees one of the prime weapons of the de-bunkers - trying to use the very consistency of the evidence - which is in fact one of the main <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>corroborative</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> features of these crimes - to undermine credibility since - of course "conspiracies" are defacto the preserve of cranks or merely evidence of cross-contamination of victims testimony. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby havanagilla » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:58 pm

Another aspect which is brought to mind is Mengele's fascination with neutering and destroying reproductive organs in massive methods (x rays etc.). <br>--<br>Aside, and venting a personal experience. I have a neighbor here, who is also a fairly known writer (novelist, art critic etc.). She happens to be married to a highschool buddy of mine, whose family belongs to the "mad scientists" of my hometown. After he married her she became "mentally ill", occasionally going to hospitals, finally diagnosed I think as bipolar. He studied psychology through the years and is now certified psych. <br>Two years ago while in california I happened to meet his elder sister who moved to California years ago to become an actress (she had some success and I think was on the original cast of "Aquarious" or something, not as lead actress but somehting, then she married and left the "career" but still has good contacts in the hollywood scene, she introduced her husband, a rich LA doctor also recently involved in research for microbiology, west nile, and other viruses (UCLA with Army, one publication I found with his name)...they kept inquiring about the writer while making fun of her, "the nut case". <br>Another curious comment by the rich sister was that she loved her little bro, but she can't forget how one time when he visited her years ago in LA, she had some problems with social services alleging abuse/negligence of her KIDS. She told me that it had to do with how she clothed them, and that the stupid social worker didn't understand the "hip" clothes. And one day, her brother was home and social service called in and he was kind of nice to them. Then, she says angrily " when I told him the social worker is a bitch" he told me, sanctimoniously, "she seems so nice and genuinely concerned with the kids, I don't think she is evil". SUddenly it appeared as if she is willing to KILL him for this, even though it was nearly two decades ago. I was wondering why she is saying it to me, i don't even know her.<br>--<br>recently, I happened to witness one of this writer "episodes" in the local cafe here, next door. She was getting into an argument with the owner and manager of the coffee shop, over "feminism" and obviously she was becoming "crazy" and very loud, while they were teasing her, it was pretty ugly, until she finally pushed one of them (which they spread immediatley as "she attacked her") and then she said to ALL THE COFFEE SHOP that after she married my friend, she was pregnant and that HIS FAMILY forced her to abort the feutus and she started screaming "how can anyone do that...? how can anyone drag a young woman and force her to abort ??/" and eventually the husband was called in and took her, maybe to a hospital.<br>--<br>She is now 42, so the abortion must have been about 15 yrs ago or earlier, before she "became mentally ill". they don't have children. recently, another "bell" rang to me, when she published a new novel called "the Story of esther", I have seen "esther" freqently associated with MC/ SRA in Israel, like "dorothy" is a red flag in the USA (re wizard of oz appearing in MC memories). <br>--<br>I chatted with her husband and kind of asked him a bit about his rich sister from LA and her fancy doctor husband (whose basic practice was....gynecology where he did the big bucks). And whether they were in contact and generally what he thinks about them...he kind of avoided answering but the told that he has another brother (something that was kind of hidden back in our childhood), who was raped as a teenager, in OUR town, and to avoid the embarrasment the family sent him to the USA, to relatives and he grew up there. He then said, that at the same time, his father (an agronomist prof) had a bizarre car accident where he backed out of the parking and ran over an arab pedestrian and killed him, and had some problems with the police but they dropped the case as "mistake" after giving him some hard time. <br>-<br>This was a big surprise. and I became more certain his family is deep in some shit. When I asked him about his wife's allegation re the the abortion, he flushed and said that IF his family made any suggestions at all (back then) , it was with good intentions, but he doesn't recall that or the circumstances.<br>--<br>I don't know if any of this makes sense, I just felt this couple is a victim of SRA, and that his rich sister from LA has something to do with it. But also, I realized how makeing a woman abort, enables the perps to exploit her. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:55 pm

One of the found principles of effective torture is that getting the victim to somehow do it to themselves is the most devastating.<br><br>The psychic whirlwind that raped women experience with all the self-doubt and self-recrimination is something men can't imagine.<br><br>Same thing with abortion where the primal nurturing instinct is in complete conflict with the lack of defined boundaries from having another entity inside one's body.<br><br>And fascist male (redundant) legislation and media wedge issue morality theater is designed to portray women as killers and dangerous to society in order to undermine their psychic well-being and keep men in control.<br><br>If that isn't torture, ritual abuse, and mind control, I don't know what is.<br><br>Fascism is a male dominance cult that burns witches. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby Sarutama » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:59 pm

How exaclty is "facist male" redundant? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:06 pm

There is no such thing as feminine fascism.<br><br>Nor 'mulitcultural Nazis.' The words are mutually exclusive.<br><br>Like Dick Cheney's daughter at the State Department working on destabilizing Iran and being nicknamed "the democracy czar of Iran."<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>This is about doctrine and definition,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> not about aberrations like Margaret Thatcher or Condi Rice or Cheney's daughter who aspire to dominate and control by inflicting massive suffering. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby havanagilla » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:34 pm

thank you HuMW, this is very much the truth, both with respect to fascism AND the "as if volluntary" abortion, making it a double torture for the victim. <br>Again, this brings to mind the "mengele tradition". In sophie's choice, for instance it is displayed precisely. He lets the mother "choose" which kid to kill, and then it is "her choice" ...similarly with with ritual abortion. <br>--<br>From what I read in accounts, Mengele and his gang had a deep interest in the boundaries of the parental instinct (mostly maternal, I guess) and they have demonstrated a "methodical" approach to reaching the limits of human suffering. <br>--<br>I feel that this "legacy" is alive, in the MC/Sra perp community-----<br>(a jump to another subject here, my thoughts that forcing pet owners now to neuter their pets is kind of a "coaching" or desensitizing toward population reduction in the future, same with the chip. I know this might be over paranoid, but this is how I feel about it. In my case, pets are not so important but for some people harming their pet is like a child or themselves, and now they are devising "rationalization" which are supposed to override the natural instinct. I am worried about that too, although much less than the actual human population reduction we are facing).<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby Sarutama » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:39 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> <br>There is no such thing as feminine fascism.<br><br>Nor 'mulitcultural Nazis.' The words are mutually exclusive.<br><br>Like Dick Cheney's daughter at the State Department working on destabilizing Iran and being nicknamed "the democracy czar of Iran."<br><br>This is about doctrine and definition, not about aberrations like Margaret Thatcher or Condi Rice or Cheney's daughter who aspire to dominate and control by inflicting massive suffering.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The way it was written in the original quote reads like all males are facist. Thats where I had a problem.<br><br>I will however submit that the above idea is dangerous. Evil in all forms can come from any sex, race, etc. (as you show in the post, Thatcher, Condi, etc) <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:20 pm

Fascism is a cultural control system, not merely an individual act of abuse. And of course I agree with you that anyone can be abusive regardless of identity.<br><br>As I wrote in another thread-<br><br>"Our evolutionary biological heritage and family dynamics are extrapolated into national policies designed to amplify fears and neuroses into predictable social behaviors to be harvested for control and profit."<br><br>This describes the deliberate institutionalized constructs of domination, not merely personal acts.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ritual abortion/neutering- just thoughts

Postby Dreams End » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There is no such thing as feminine fascism<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I agree.<br><br>signed,<br><br>Eva Peron <p></p><i></i>
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