*triggering* Hubbard, Crowley and abortion rituals

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Postby sunny » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:09 pm

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Postby Dreams End » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:24 pm

I'm not completely sure about all this interview. Mentions Hubbard and the KGB but nothing at all about CIA? I realize I'm predisposed to think this way, but I do wonder. <br><br>Still, the below quotes, while not on abortion rituals, are, in my opinion, almost as if they were taken from a manual of how to control people and organizations, with or without black magic. I think it's important to understand that this is the way the world works, and not just the world of Scientology. It's an important interview. Thanks for posting it, bio. (Sorry for the rather tactless comments on homosexuality, but there's a larger point here.)<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hubbard: He (not LRH..but another person) was a double agent for the KGB and for the British intelligence agency. He was also a raging homosexual. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>He wanted my father to use his black-magic, soul-cracking, brainwashing techniques on young boys. He wanted these boys as his own sexual slaves.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> He wanted to use my father's techniques to crack people's heads open because he was very influential in and around the British government --plus he was selling information to the Russians. And so was my father.<br><br><br>Penthouse: Did the Labor Party official get any of his young men via Scientology?<br><br><br>Hubbard: Yes. The British were ripe for Scientology. The British school system fosters lesbianism and homosexuality, because from the time you're born until you're in your twenties, all you see is the same sex. The schools are so segretated. And you'll notice in Scientology the focus on sex. Sex, sex, sex. The first thing we wanted to know about someone we were auditing was his sexual deviations. You know, in actual fact, very few people exclusively practice missionary-style sex. So all you've got to do is find a person's kinks, whatever they might be. Their dreams and their fantasies. And if you find that central core, their sexual drives and desires and fantasies, then you can fit a ring through their noses and take them anywnere. You promise to fufill their fantasies or you threaten to expose them --very simple. And People do have outrageous sexual fantasies. Nothing wrong with that --I'm the last guy on earth who should make a value judgment about somebody's sexual practices. But once you find their sexual core, you've got them. And you find this by brainwashing, through auditing, through interrogation, investigations, following them, photographing them, tapping their phones, whatever.<br><br>The basic rationale is that there are some powers in this universe that are pretty strong. As an example, Hitler was involved in the same black magic and the same occult practices that my father was. The identical ones. Which, as I have said, stem clear back to before Egyptian times. It's a very secret thing. Very powerful and very workable and very dangerous. Brainwashing is nothing compared to it. The proper term would be "soul cracking." It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers. Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway. Pulling that power into yourself through another person --and using women, especially -- is incredibly insidious. It makes Dr. Fu Manchu look like a kindergarten student. It is the ultimate vampirism, the ultimate mind-fuck, instead of going for blood, you're going for their soul. And you take drugs in order to reach that state where you can, quite literally, like a psychic hammer, break their soul, and pull the power through. He designed his Scientology Operating Thetan techniques to do the same thing. But, of course, it takes a couple of hundred hours of auditing and mega-thousands of dollars for the privilege of having your head turned into a glass Humpty Dumpty --shattered into a million pieces. It may sound like incredible gibberish, but it made my father a fortune.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Babies? Smash 'em together

Postby Col Quisp » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:30 pm

More From Operation Clambake:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Babies (124kb)<br>L. Ron Hubbard doing "Creative Processing" on one of his followers to enable him to overcome the trapping power of babies heads:<br>"LRH: Great reading get my ridge of a good activity. That's the Ridge of the Assumption, by the way.<br>PC: Sounds very religious<br>LRH: Yes it is. Alright have these two little babies with enormous amount of energy covering them.<br>PC: All right.<br>LRH: Smash 'em together.<br>PC: Yea<br>LRH: Two more babies. Smash 'em together.<br>PC: Yea<br>LRH: Two more babies. Smash 'em together.<br>[etc] "<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/media_vault/Babies.ra">Babies recording</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html#babies">clambake</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Sounds like he had a Caligula complex.<br>You gotta listen to this one, even if you don't listen to any other of his recordings.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=colquisp>Col Quisp</A> at: 4/11/06 8:35 pm<br></i>
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Re: Babies? Smash 'em together

Postby thoughtographer » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:40 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sounds like he had a Caligula complex.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Interesting! You know, L.R.H. is not so unlike Caligula, in that he can only really be viewed as an exaggerated confluence of anecdotes with a few brief glimpses of reality through all of the fabrications and straight-up lies. Of course, with L.R.H., we have the benefit (uhh...) of his own writings, which nobody else would dare take the credit (blame) for. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: abortions

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:26 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>One doesn't need to have an anti-abortion position simply to accept the possibility of this (I have no idea if it's true.)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>It's weird but RA often seems to position me on the "wrong" side of a political debate eg I'm pro-choice, but it's pretty clear that there is a black market in fetal tissue, for both medical experimentation and ritualistic use.<br><br>Seems like RA perps prefer to keep fetal production "in house" but I wonder if it's not also an external profit source for them. Historically, fetuses were "stockpiled" by hospitals for experimental use until the practice was outlawed. Some hospitals have been busted doing this anyway (see the article from France last year, in my first post) and there is some research into trafficking in fetal material so there must be some money in it.<br><br>Everything RA perps do has multiple levels. The incest that occurs within ritually abusive families is not just sadistic pleasure-seeking, but also a way of “training” their own children for abuse outside the family. Child prostitution makes them a lot of money - but it is also used to entrap and blackmail the unwary, expanding the groups influence and power exponentially. Meanwhile, the child porn sells for big bucks, but it is also used in programming and indoctrination, acting as "insurance" that victims and members won't speak about the group.<br><br>Ditto for the ritualistic elements - the "abortion rituals" are an expression of a specific ideology, but they are also about the subjugation of victims and binding perpetrators into secrecy - and, it seems, another way of making money. Who knows what fetal material could fetch on the black market? <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'll bet you ANYTHING that there is a pretty wide network of "dirty" funeral homes that dispose of bodies for all kinds of folks...at the very least organized crime.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>And I’d bet that you are right. Some RA survivors have attested to the involvement of crematoriums in the disposal of ritual murder victims. And why not? The entrance of a body into a furnce is completely unregulated. It’s not as though the police are standing at the door checking every body. There’s nothing to stop this going on.<br><br>And back to the issue of abortions – as I said, I’m pro-choice, so this isn’t an ideological attack - but there’s nothing to stop a crooked clinic attendant making some bucks on the side by selling fetal material to the highest bidder. As I mentioned above, a police investigation into a ritually abusive perpetrator in the UK (who was locked up) found that he made regular calls to abortion clinics all over the country.<br><br>We are talking about forms of trade and trafficking that are so dirty that nobody wants to investigate it. Who wants to talk about the trade in fetuses or body parts? The victims are silent/dead, advocates sound crazy, there is no political pressure or salience here ... hence, there is no "problem" as the authorities define it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: *triggering* Hubbard, Crowley and abortion rituals

Postby biaothanatoi » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:10 am

Hi PP,<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Do you have a source for this?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>He founded the Abbey of Thelema in Siciliy in 1920, and he was kicked out of Sicily in April 1923. I'll try to dig up some primary sources, but it's acknowledged in all his biographies (see recent books by Booth in 2000, Sutin 2002, Kaczynksi 2002). <br><br>Crowley's biographers take the persecution line common to much occult literature in claiming that Crowley was expelled because of fears about "secret societies", but Marco Pasi (The Neverendingly Told Story: Recent Biographies of Alistair Crowley, Aries, 3(2), 2003, pp 224 - 245) points out that Mussolini's govt was only a few months old at that point, and was not yet a dictatorship. It's unlikely that the OTO was exactly a policy priority at that point. An edict against "secret societies" was passed in Italy in 1925, two years after Crowley's expulsion.<br><br>The impetus for Crowley's expulsion appears to be a series of accusations that were floated against him in the British press. His male secretary died in 1923 from acute enteritis, and the medical examiner raised questions about the severity of the inflamation. The widow, an ex-disciple of Crowley, fled to Britain after her husbands death, and claimed that he died after drinking cats blood during a ritual. <br><br>She also accused Crowley of impregnating followers in order to create children and fetuses for ritual use. (You might be aware that the OTO has a ritual around the creation of a "homunculus", which stipulates that a child conceived in a certain way, whose birth is induced at a certain time, will be possessed by a demon, not "human", and "available" for the whims of its creators.)<br><br>Nobody knows who actioned Crowley's expulsion, but it appears to be on the basis of the allegations of poisoning and child sacrifice, which were never prosecuted in a court of law. <p></p><i></i>
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survivor problems

Postby blanc » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:36 am

slightly aside from main topic of hubbard/crowley and what is going on with fetuses, and to add to havanagilla's point about survivor resources - <br><br>most ra survivors are seriously ill in at least the beginning of their recovery, yet get nothing tailored to their problems from the health services. they can't usually afford prolonged therapy from private practitioners, and psychiatrists generally seem to either believe that the person in front of them is a fantasist or suffering from an illness such as schizophrenia, or find that by diagnosing one such illness they can provide a wider range of therapies. But these treatments usually fall way short of what is needed.<br><br>that leaves the amateur helpers. of the survivors I have met who have made good recoveries, I think all (quick reflection here, maybe one did not) have used one or another form of religion, how fundamentalist it could be called might depend on your views. My main concern for survivors and religion is not the religious experience itself, it is the fear that they fall in to the hands of one of those ra groups which organise within the cover of religious organisations. <br><br>I don't have a problem with fundalmentalist position on abortion, if only they would take the responsibility of that position, right the way through<br><br>survivors, being ill, are usually very demanding, and also have heightened suspicion. so, to use the example from the experience of the group I am with, on being approached for the first time by a survivor, it is necessary to go very slowly in listening to the story. this is because survivors are used to being exploited, and often react with the thoought that the person trying to help is in it for themselves. there is certainly some pinch of truth in this. the motivation has to be there or no-one would do it. this is probably why the religious groups do better than the general public at helping - they have a personal commitment to doing good.<br><br>just as one responds to the homeless persons situation by actually doing very little apart from occasionally putting pennies in the salvation army box, (not for instance inviting desperate people in to one's own home), so generally, people will not feel able to make the commitment to extensively help ra survivors.<br><br>this situation will not begin to crack open until the crime of ra is properly admitted.<br><br>now the fetuses.<br><br>I can only endorse what biao has indicated. ra is multi faceted criminal activity. obliging an impregnated mother to give up her child massively demoralises her, (demoralise is not strong enough word, can't think of one), throws her even deeper into their power to do with as they will, enslaves her to guilt and horrible memories and the illness these cause. it also, I am pretty sure about this, is providing literally, human material. I am only basing this hunch on one case which I know quite extensively, but all the players are in place, the doctors, the researchers and the bent politicos. <br><br>the crime of ra is not admitted in the UK. Its existence has been officially denied through the mouthpiece of the spokesman for the association of chief of police officers, for violent crime. <br><br>there is no-one to whom one can go with the evidence, and not be dismissed as a fantasist. <br><br>according to police that is what I am, and an advocate for one victim who wanted to challenge that position has been given crippling professional problems. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: survivor problems

Postby havanagilla » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:44 am

It is disheartening that places like the UK and the USA "killed" the issue by making general announcements (such as "this does not exist"). In Israel, since there were no allegations made in MsM or court, no denial was issued. Cases of animal ritual mutilations are reported with "an eyebrow raised" as to motivation and are investigated as cruely to animals, but more vigorously.<br>--<br>Satanism was never denied here, because of the murder case that acknowledged it, and there were additional cases of youth found with satanic parphanelia, committing various violent crimes and vandalism as well. A famous case from this year, was bizarre, a SOLDIER in the IDF admitted that he is a pronazi and satanist, and was even interviewed with his mother who kind of shares his interests. The point was to show that many of the new immigrants from Russia (the non Jews...) are active neonazis or ritual satanists yet they receive citizenship, money and are drafted to the IDF. <br>---<br>However, there were no cases similar to the ones in the UK/USA involving serial child mollestation/porn abuse in child care etc., so THIS was never tested. (these cases exist here but were not publically announced). Recently, at least one right wing conspiracy web-journalist consistently published articles saying there is ample satanism and HUMAN SACRIFICE in Israel, going up to "respectable" people, in academia as well. He is a psychologist (name, Michael Sharon), and publishes regularly in extremist right wing web based newspapers. Nobody so far challenged him, he is tolerated, but nobody DOES anything too. He also mentioned a name of a University prof, whom he things is a devil worshipper and dangerous too. The person never made any response. I find his allegations worth checking but I also have a lingering suspicion that he was once involved in gov funny business, around the same field...so, he could be regarded as whistleblower OR disinfo. he admits to working for <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>military intel</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and his thesis/book (published in English and written in UCLA I think) seems <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>like a "manual" for perps.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> (maybe just to me, I am NOT educated in psychology or any scientific field).<br>--<br><br>Yes Blanc, there is NO professional, trustworthy place for victims to go, and I think those who do help do have another agenda, that's a pitty. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: survivor problems

Postby Dreams End » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:39 am

I got off on a tangent about relations between MC and RA stories and alien abductions, so I just started a new thread. <p></p><i></i>
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Abortion rituals - references

Postby semper occultus » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:06 pm

The book "Blasphemous Rumours" (1991) by Andrew Boyd has an almost over-whelming amount of alleged evidence & background details of satanic rituals , practices & beliefs concerning these issues .<br>It quotes a Ruth Zinn - a care-worker with London prostitutes - concerning a specifically satanically-originated trade in new-born full-term babies born completely off-the-record to prostitutes & sold on by pimps - the going-rate in 1987 had been £2,000 .<br><br>Volume 21 No 4 ( Spring 1994 ) of The Journal of Psycohistory contained a couple of articles which touched on this issue in the context of cult abuse of children. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=semperoccultus>semper occultus</A> at: 4/12/06 5:49 pm<br></i>
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Re: Abortion rituals - references

Postby Dreams End » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:56 pm

Online version of Boyd's book. Not liking what I've found out about him so far but I haven't read the book. Here's the link:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://misterbonnie.com/data/foryou/fetish/fetishs.html">misterbonnie.com/data/foryou/fetish/fetishs.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Sorry. That's a quote for a David Icke book. However, to give you an idea of how NOT to research, you can have a look. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 4/12/06 7:10 pm<br></i>
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Sea Org Recommends Abortion

Postby Col Quisp » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:56 pm

From Wikipedia on "Sea Org":<br><br>Beginning around 1982, Sea Org members were actively discouraged from having children. Any that do are reposted to non-Sea Org Scientology organizations until the child reaches adolescent age.<br><br>There are a number of statements from women formerly in the Sea Org who state that they were advised to get an abortion when they became pregnant so that they would not be sent to lower organizations.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sea Org Recommends Abortion

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:44 am

I wonder if the stress from the brainwashing program and any subsequent punishments, many of which was physically abusive, could induce miscarriages or abortions. There was certainly plenty of child abuse going on, too, according to Ron Jr.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lermanet.com/cos/brainwashing.html">www.lermanet.com/cos/brainwashing.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>BRAINWASHING IN SCIENTOLOGY'S REHABILITATION PROJECT FORCE<br>by Dr Stephen Kent [University of Alberta, Canada]<br>....<br><br>Hubbard's Discussions of Brainwashing in the Late 1960s<br><br> During the late 1960s, Hubbard discussed brainwashing at<br>least four times in various talks and writings, and these<br>discussions always were consistent with the basic techniques of<br>personality destruction and goals-realignment discussed in the<br>"brainwashing" manual of 1955. The book, All About Radiation,<br>bridges the 1960s and the 1950s, since Hubbard took his comments<br>from a 1957 "Congress on Nuclear Radiation and Health," published<br>them that same year, then reissued the book in 1967. This<br>publication included a section entitled "What Brainwashing Is":<br> Brainwashing is a very simple mechanism. One gets a person<br> to agree that something might be a certain way and then<br> drives him by introverting him and through self-criticism to<br> the possibility that it is that way. Only then does a man<br> believe that the erroneous fact was a truth. By gradient<br> scale of hammering, pounding and torture, brainwashers are<br> able to make people believe that that these people [i.e.,<br> the victims] saw and did things which they never did do<br> (Hubbard, 1957: 84; also quoted in Hubbard, 1976b: 55).<br>As he had indicated in 1955, people could be brainwashed (he<br>believed) by giving them an external goal or fact, then breaking<br>them down (through stress) until they believed it.<br> Two years after the reissue of All About Radiation (on<br>December 20, 1969), Hubbard discussed brainwashing again, but<br>added a twist. Now he defined it as the "subjection of a person<br>to systematic indoctrination or mental pressure with a view to<br>getting him to change his views or to confess to a crime" (quoted<br>in Hubbard, 1976b: 55). Not only, therefore, did Hubbard believe<br>that he knew how to force people to change their minds on vital<br>issues, but also he thought that he could force (presumably<br>false) confessions out of people by "brainwashing" them through<br>severe stress. Again these insights bore fruit in the RPF<br>environment. <br> Additional glimpses into Hubbard's knowledge about<br>brainwashing comes from a March, 1969 Scientology article in the<br>organization's Freedom newspaper. At the time of initial<br>publication, the article entitled "Brainwashing" did not reveal<br>its author, and only after 1992 were researchers able to verify<br>that it came from Hubbard himself (see Church of Scientology<br>International, 1992: 757). The article contained a long exerpt<br>from a politically conservative writer, Robert G. Ridgway<br>(followed at the end by Hubbard's comments), and one section of<br>Ridgway's commentary contained a section subtitled "Nervous<br>Breakdown." It described techniques designed to break down<br>individuals and then build them up into the externally defined<br>goals of the group:<br> 'The first part in the technique of brainwashing is an<br> artifically induced nervous breakdown, which breaks the line<br> with the individual's past experience and casts him adrift<br> in a sea of suggestibility. This is brought on by<br> exhaustion, confusion, continuous physical pain, and fear<br> and anxiety. This destroys human individuality and identity<br> by fracturing fixed habit patterns and employing the useful<br> fragments, cemented by suggestion, to rebuild an entirely<br> different personality. Memory is diffused. Logic is<br> confused, and judgement is distorted in the absence of<br> reference and discipline. The person has lost control of his<br> mind--it is then that suggestion is most effective. The<br> victim is grateful to be oriented again. He appreciates any<br> purpose or direction given to him. He feels he has been led<br> back to sanity, [but] in reality his soul has been stolen. <br> This was done to American fathers in Korea and their sons in<br> Vietnam' (Ridgway, quoted in [Hubbard], 1969: [4]).<br>Similar to Hubbard's writing in the previous decade, this article<br>identified the necessity of destroying individuality<br>(accomplished here through inducing nervous breakdowns) and then<br>aligning the shattered personality with officially provided<br>purpose and direction. <br> Hubbard (we presume) had made a similar argument about<br>breaking down people in the brainwashing manual of 1955. The<br>manual stated that:<br> There is a curve of degradation which leads downward to a<br> point where the endurance of an individual is almost at an<br> end, and any sudden action toward him will place him in a<br> state of shock. Similarly, a soldier held prisoner can be<br> abused, denied, defamed, and degraded until the slightest<br> motion on the part of his captors will cause him to flinch.<br> Similarly, the slightest word on the part of his captors<br> will cause him to obey, or vary his loyalties and beliefs.<br> Given sufficient degradation, a prisoner can be caused to<br> murder his fellow countrymen in the same stockade.<br> Experiments on German prisoners have lately demonstrated<br> that only after seventy days of filthy food, little sleep,<br> and nearly untenable quarters, that [sic] the least motion<br> toward the prisoner would bring about a state of shock<br> beyond his endurance threshold, and would cause him to<br> hypnotically receive anything said to him. Thus, it is<br> possible, in an entire stockade of prisoners, to the number<br> of thousands, to bring about a state of complete servile<br> obedience, and without the labour of personally addressing<br> each one, to pervert their loyalties, and implant in them<br> adequate commands to insure their future conduct, even when<br> released to their own people (Hubbard [probable author]:<br> 1955: 41-42).<br>Again, techniques involving attempted attitude changes through<br>severe stess became reality in the RPF, which Hubbard created<br>less than five years after publishing an article on brainwashing<br>that contained Ridgway's comments about nervous breakdowns.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br><br>A deep insider named Gerry Armstrong went whistleblower and got the full 'fair game treatment' of cointelpro-like harassments.<br><br>He says that Canada turned Scientology-friendly so he fled to Europe where the cult is treated more like a crime.<br><br>Another website points at what looks like a post-Hubbard CIA take over of the cult and I wonder whether that explains the different legal attitudes in Canada and Europe.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/introduction.html">www.gerryarmstrong.org/50...ction.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I was inside Scientology for over twelve years, from 1969, to when I escaped in 1981. For eleven years I was in the organization's inner pseudo-military core, the Sea Organization (SO). There I held a number of key positions, including the Legal Officer, Public Relations Officer and Intelligence Officer on board the organization's "Flagship Apollo," from which Scientology was managed and controlled internationally. I worked with Scientology founder and director and SO Commodore L. Ron Hubbard on board the ship, and later in Florida and California.<br><br> <br><br>Hubbard's Biography Researcher<br><br> In my final two years in the SO, I had the task of collecting and assembling an archive of Hubbard's personal documents, and doing research for his biography. During the course of my research, I discovered and documented that Hubbard had lied about virtually every part of his life, including his education, degrees, family, explorations, military service, war wounds, scientific research, the efficacy of his " sciences" - Dianetics and Scientology - along with the actions and intentions of the organizations he created to sell and advance these "sciences."<br><br> When I attempted to get Scientology executives to correct the lies that the organization was promoting about Hubbard, and which Hubbard promoted about himself, I was attacked and ordered to be security checked. A "sec check" is an invasive, incriminatory Scientology interrogation technique using its E-meter lie detector. During my years in the SO, I had been subjected to hundreds of hours of sec checks, and had twice been ordered by Hubbard to the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) [1], the organization's punishment and reprogramming camps, for a total of twenty-five months. Rather than being again locked up and forced to submit to further abuse and degradation, I fled.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The different legal climates for Scientology-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Because of the way Canadian officials are acting in another case, there are indications that the Canadian Government has reversed its previous opposition to Scientology and now supports the organization's persecution of its victims and targets, as the U.S. Government has done and is doing. Consequently, and as a precaution, I recently left Canada with my fiancée Caroline Letkeman and am in Germany. I believe that in Europe, where Scientology is generally not considered a religion but a totalitarian psychocult, I will be free to continue to communicate about its persecution and to address the support it gets from the North American governments.<br><br> Even while here, however, I am still a target of Scientology's persecution as the organization's latest lawsuit shows. According to the U.S. "judgment," every European Scientology organization and every European Scientologist or their lawyers or agents may say whatever they want about me, no matter how defamatory, and I may not say one word in response or in my defense. Just for saying the word "Scientology," or the name of any European Scientologist, or mentioning one word about my now more than 33-year relationship with the organization, I am subject to a $50,000 "damage" assessment, imprisonment and a fine.<br><br> As Scientology's latest suit also shows, anyone facilitating my defense against the organization's attacks is also subject to the U.S. "judgment," and is also at risk of being sued, bankrupted and jailed. Potentially, anyone giving me money, a job, an Internet connection, a telephone, a bed or even a meal or a drink of water, knowing that I will survive another day to communicate about Scientology and its persecutions, becomes Fair Game, subject to its "judgment," and target of its U.S.-supported litigation machine. [5]<br><br> <br><br>My Position<br><br> Judicially prohibiting people from responding to Scientology's attacks, and punishing them with imprisonment and fines if they do respond, creates a new type of slavery, which Scientology, with U.S. Government support, is attempting to export around the world. Since the U.S. Government considers the organization a religion, and confers upon it all the privileges and benefits conferred on traditional religions, including tax exemption, Scientology's attacks on critics and its extreme measures to silence them amount to a new form of State-sanctioned religious persecution.<br><br> There is no freedom of religion where there is no freedom to criticize, oppose or reform religion. Ironically, it is only in the U.S., which claims to be a bastion of religious liberty, where a person can be jailed just for mentioning a " religion" or his "religious experiences" in it. If the U.S. and its courts apply this concept equally to all religions, a person could be jailed just for saying the word "Christianity," or "Buddhism," or "Hinduism," or "Islam," or mentioning any "religious experience" in any of those religions. If the U.S. is applying this concept only to Scientology, then that organization has by this favoritism become the American State Religion.<br><br> Salman Rushdie was sentenced by a totalitarian theocratic government's legal edict, and is being threatened world wide, for writing a book that the theocrats don't like. I am attacked and hounded around the world by Scientology's totalitarian religious poseurs, using the U.S. legal system, for writing and speaking what the poseurs dislike. The Islamic fatwah is directed not only against Rushdie but also against all persons associated in the publication of his book. Scientology's fatwah targets all persons acting in concert with me or in any way facilitating my speaking and writing. Iran is offering a $2,500,000 reward to the murderer who silences Rushdie. Scientology has already paid that to U.S. lawyers to silence me. Going the theocrats one better, however, Scientology's commercial cultists want their investment back, quadrupled.<br><br> I am being persecuted by Scientology, with its official U.S. support, not for speaking lies or defaming the organization, but for speaking the truth. I am speaking the truth in response to Scientology's lies about me, lies which are demonstrated even by the organization's latest lawsuit, which is riddled with lies. I am speaking out to prevent Scientology from rewriting its history of lying and of persecuting people who speak the truth. Because I am persecuted for speaking is precisely why I should speak. Because other people are persecuted for helping me to speak is precisely why they should help.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Lot's of awful first-hand info at Gerry Armstrong's website.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 4/13/06 1:45 am<br></i>
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Re: Hubbard ripped off Wm. Sargeant's 'Battle for the Mind'

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:02 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/scientologyandcommunism.htm">www.lermanet.com/scientol...munism.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Dianetics, Scientology and Communism - both Hubbard and Lenin used Pavlov's research.<br><br>Ida Camburn gave me a copy of William Sargants's book, first printed 50 years ago, Battle for the Mind. I cannot recommend it more highly...for students and researchers into the Scientology problem and those who have been affected in any way by Scientology or any of its many Frontgroups.<br><br>Sargant's book appears to be based on a journal that he kept during his experience treating WWII victims of post traumatic stress disorder. His observations and conclusions are as valid now as they were then and even more now so due to the apparition called Dianetics and its twisted twin sister Scientology.<br><br>Everything that Hubbard rants about in Dianetics including what Hubbard foists off as his "discovery" of Dianetics is based on prior art without attribution, in fact, instead of properly attributing the basis of his scheme to the research of Nobel Prize winner Pavlov, which Lenin incorporated into what became known as Communism, he goes to great lengths to vilify Pavlov and the entire field of Psychiatry, just to make sure that those he has fooled never figured out the degree to which we had been scammed.....that they were in fact trapped by state of the art Psychiatric techniques used in the 1940's and abandoned because they took too long and were not consistent.<br><br>William Sargant describes the vogue during and after WWII, Aberactive Therapy... which stands for Abnormal Reaction Therapy - reliving incidents of trauma in your mind....(real or imaged) with the aid of a drug, hypnosis or ether...and a person to listen.<br><br>Aberactive therapy is not something special, people engage in it after having a few drinks and then pouring their hearts out to you....<br><br>Though, of course Hubbard sought to demonize drugs and alcohol and psychiatry because he wanted to "dead agent", to "depopularize" all possible competition and most importantly, reduce any threat of exposure and broadbased understanding of how his scam worked.<br><br>Even the description that only if you create an emotional discharge in an incident ( for which Hubbard coins many new words, to hide the sources of his information , he calls them somatics in Dianetics and then calls incident of trauma "engrams" ) you wont get relief and William Sargant was describing techniques being used in 1942 in North Africa by military practitioners treating with shell shocked and battle fatigued soldiers, and those recovering from the nazi bombings of London.<br><br>Every topic that Hubbard rants about in Dianetics is covered in William Sargant's book, shock treatment, insulin shock... lobotomies... hypnosis.... Pavlov.... even Hubbard's 2% rule.<br><br>Sargant describes how early clinicians treating the psychological casualties of war, thought that a small percentage of soldiers did not suffer from battle fatigue. However, after a few years experience, they amended their opinion, to state that all will eventually succumb to stress induced fatigue except that 2 percent who in fact were psychopaths... Hubbard uses this same 2% rule in Dianetics to state that 2% of society are what he calls "suppressive" people.<br><br>And boy-o-boy, did Hubbard devote effort in Dianetics to "Depopularizing" - that is, the Black propagandizing of Pavlov..., Even Lenin would not turn against Pavlov, knowing how essential his insights had become to the success of communism, even as Pavlov gained international acclaim for openly decrying the abuses of his own government and got away with it while others were being sent to the gulags.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: locking the mind

Postby havanagilla » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:48 am

I think that the drugging/psychiatry "catch 22" is a good demonstration of where PTB want to us to go. One branch of PTB is devising forced drugging and psychiatric abuse (universal screenings and drugs for children) in order to control and enrich the pharma. Then they attempt a brilliant "honey pot" for those who see through the scam, namely, Scientology. This also disorients and destroys the opposition to mind controlling psychiatry/drugging, and send people to the wrong "freedom", namely, more of the same, under the guise of freedom. This trapping and the false definitions of social positions and choices is now evident everywhere. (prop agit, in a way). <br>--<br>In the matter of drugs, and the Ritaline debate, at least in Israel, anyone who dares to challenge the pharmafraud involved in this Ritaline plague is automatically branded as "scientologists". In addition, young and uninformed people who sense the danger from gov drugging of children, are gently directed to scientology (through disguised traps).<br>In Hebrew there is a saying - "he ran away from the bear and met the lion"... <p></p><i></i>
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