L. Ron Hubbard says "Jesus was a Pedophile"

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L. Ron Hubbard says "Jesus was a Pedophile"

Postby johnny nemo » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:24 pm

He also says that Scientology is "Luciferian".<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/Declaration/ot8b.html">www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishm.../ot8b.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>OT VIII, Part 2</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>US District Court, Central District of California<br>Fishman Case No 91-6426 HLH (Tx)<br><br> HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE<br> Saint Hill Manor. East Grinstead, Sussex<br><br> HCO BULLETIN OF 5 MAY 1980<br><br> LIMITED DISTRIBUTION ISSUE I<br><br> OT VIII Course Students<br> OT OT VIII Auditors<br> OT VIII CIS*s<br> AO Review Auditors<br> AO C/Ses<br> OT VIII Series I<br><br> C O N F I D E N T I A L<br><br> STUDENT BRIEFING<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>By the time you read this I will no longer be occupying the body and identity that you have known as Ron. That identity continues to live in the hearts and minds of many as well as in on-Source tech and admin centers around the planet, and will inspire for years to come Scientologists and lovers of truth every-where.<br><br>What follows is a story that has been withheld, for reasons which will soon be obvious, until such time as there were enough OTs that something could be done about it. That time Is now. It is not a nice or a pretty story. but I trust<br>that having arrived on the OT VIII Course you are ready to hear it. You have undoubtedly heard pieces of data over the years that hinted at the greater untold reality of my mission here on Earth. but the story was never written, nor spoken. in its entirety due to security problems that have unfortunately always plagued the organization. It is only now that I feel it safe to release the information, although the time is rapidly approaching when I will have no choice in the matter, the hour draws that near.<br><br>I an not going to delve too deeply into specifics as people have a tendency to bog themselves down in significance. which would only serve to delay the immediacy of the task at hand. Therefore I will be brief.<br><br>Some eighty-odd million years ago Earth time (it actually dates at 78,395,042 but dates are & bit superfluous with this material) plans were drawn by a group outside the MEST universe for the eventual takeover of a good portion of<br>this universe. Not a particularly large nor Imaginative crew, their exterior perspective. however. gives them considerable advantage over tho time-bound beings of the MEST universe. Borrowing from earlier operations such as<br>Helotrobus. they conceived an ongoing implant. some portions of which have been fairly faithfully rendered in parts of the Bible. This implant, laid in by carefully controlled genetic mutation at Incident Two of OT Ill and periodically reinforced by controlled historic events since then, makes it effectively impossible for beings on the more heavily affected planets such as Earth to become free. It causes progressive genetic "evolution" that gives the subject population greater and greater susceptibility to the telepathic impingement and direction of the controllers. In its final stage the progression becomes almost geometric, and it is this final stage that we are rapidly approaching. (0129)<br><br>Another aspect of this GE-line implant is that the body becomes in effect a sort of thats trap that kicks in heavily on the being should he attempt to expand his horizons beyond that of pure physical universe reality. There can be temporary key-outs which we have all experienced in varying degrees. but until this area is handled it can honestly be said that there is no hope for continued expansion. The good news is that once this is run out. expansion becomes rather effortless and almost automatic.<br><br>No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned Is a brief period of time in which an arch-enemy of Christ. referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway. All this makes for very fantastic, entertaining<br>reading but there is truth in it.<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> This anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the "light bearers" or "light bringer"), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment, the Galactic Confederacy. My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>During this period there is a fleeting opportunity for the whole scenario to be. effectively derailed. which<br>would make it impossible for the mass Marcabian landing (Second Coming) to take place. The Second Coming is designed, among other things, to trigger a rapid<br>series of destructive events.<br><br>With the exception of the original Buddhism, virtually all religions of any consequence on this planet, mono- and pantheistic alike. have been instruments to speed the progress of this "evolution of consciousness" and bring about the eventual enslavement of mankind. As you know, Siddhartha Gautama never claimed to be anything more than a man. Having caught on to this operation, he<br>postulated his own return as Metteyya, part of which prophecy will have been fulfilled upon the passing of L. Ron Hubbard.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on. let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition<br>to being a lover of young boys and men. he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It Is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal. so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.<br><br>It Is a good joke that the Calactic Confederacy is associated with the Serpent in the Garden, the beast and other emissaries of the "Prince of Darkness".</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Yet<br>in certain passages and esoteric interpretations of the Bible (much of which has been taken out and effectively suppressed for centuries) as well as the<br>Cabbalah, the truth reveals itself quite nicely for the clever and the ungullible.<br><br>So it really is a race against time and one that we happen to be losing at the moment, as the implant drama inexorably plays itself out in spite of the breakneck pace I've managed to keep up these last thirty-five years.<br><br>I had an inkling, but only that, of the insidiousness of this material as far back as 1945. Later. in charcteristic over-optimism, I thought that R6 would be the end of it. But that was followed by NOTs and the Purification Rundown<br>and still the string continued to unwind with the ball at the end of it just out of sight. It makes ons wonder about such things as fate and destiny, such<br>                        (0130)<br><br>was the resolve with which I managed to cling to that string. not often knowing how close I was to falling into the abyss myself. but destiny it merely the rationalization of feeble minds. Things don't just happen, they are caused.<br>And causative beings can undo the plans of madmen and would-be enslavers, no matter how long those plans may have been in the making.<br><br>I will soon leave this world only to return and complete my mission with another Identity. Although I long to stretch my arms back in repose on some distant star in some distant galaxy. It appears that is one dream that will<br>have to wait. But my return depends on people like you doing these materials thoroughly and completely so that there will be a genetically uncontaminated body for me to pick up and resume where I left off. A body free of religious<br>mania, right/wrong dichotomy and synthetic karma. The job ahead is far too tough to even contemplate doing with your standard -- courtesy of certain other-dimensional players and their Marcab pieces, many of whom are right here<br>In the general populace -- genetically altered body.<br><br>Without the biogenetic meddling of those who stand outside time (who cannot yet directly influence our world and must work through others) the dwindling spiral is not nearly as automatic and self-perpetuating as it appears. There are<br>regions even in isolated parts of the Milky Way where poets are free to poet and magicians can paint reality with their magic wands and exteriorize without body kickback. But these areas unfortunately are fewer and fewer.<br><br>I will return not as a religious leader but a political one. That happens to be the requisite beingness for the task at hand. I will not be known to most of you, my activities misunderstood by many, yet along with your constant<br>effort in the theta band I will effectively postpone and then halt a series of events designed to make happy slaves of us all.<br><br>So there you have it. The secret that I have kept close to my chest all these years. Now you too are part of this secret and I no longer have to shoulder the burden alone or live with the possibility of body death before all the data<br>could be released. And with this briefing I entrust to each of you the responsibility for this material until such time as I an able to return. For we have no help from any other quarter in this matter. The handful of secret societies throughout history that have caught on to this game have long since<br>fallen by the wayside or been taken over and become instruments of the very menace they were set up to combat.<br><br>The rundown is long and can be arduous, but it must be done thoroughly if there is to be any effect not only on the body of the pre-OT but the body of his or her progeny as wall. There is some danger, but with OT VII thoroughly complete<br>It is not nearly so great as the danger witnessed by assorted unfortunates who happened to stumble into this area in their sleep or in moments of reverie or anaten, experiencing an hitherto mysterious phenomenon known as "spontaneous<br>combustion".<br><br>CAUTION: DO NOT BE PTS WHILE TRAVERSING THIS THIRD AND FINAL WALL OF FIRE<br><br>But the area is well charted. the rundown many years in secret development, and by the time you read this undoubtedly completed on myself. The wins awaiting<br>you are like none that you have ever experienced, not just for you. but for your children. your children's children and the whole of mankind, if we succeed. And we will. If we had time we should pity the many poor souls, from        (0131)<br><br>1950 to PT, who chose such an exactly inopportune moment to drop off the road to truth and disconnect from reality, the full burst and glory of OT practically within their grasp. But we haven't the time to "wax philosophic" or ponder might have beens.<br><br>The rundown follows. Again I say, do it thoroughly and completely, for it is your ticket to the stars. And beyond!</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br> L. RON HUBBARD<br> FOUNDER<br><br> LRH:lrh<br> Copyright (c) 1980<br> by L. Ron Hubbard<br> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=johnnynemo>johnny nemo</A> at: 9/25/06 3:28 pm<br></i>
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ok but WTF is the "Rundown"?

Postby postrchild » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:50 pm

Can anyone explain this "Rundown" that we are supposed to be executing? <p></p><i></i>
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To Infinity and Beyond !

Postby johnny nemo » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:13 pm

I think it's this....<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/P/3/bush_infinity_and_beyond.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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A better fake industrial religion. . .

Postby DBtv » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:58 pm

<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.subgenius.com">www.subgenius.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>******************<br>re:scientoliCON<br><br>What projection for ron to call Christ a pedophile. This from a guy who floated around on a ship filled with little boys.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A better fake industrial religion. . .

Postby DireStrike » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:29 pm

L. Ron Hubbard was a troll. <br><br>Here are some more troll takes on jesus.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webpost.net/di/direstrike/jesusbrb.jpg">www.webpost.net/di/direst...susbrb.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webpost.net/di/direstrike/jesusforcechoke.jpg">www.webpost.net/di/direst...echoke.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webpost.net/di/direstrike/jesusghostbusters.jpg">www.webpost.net/di/direst...usters.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webpost.net/di/direstrike/jesuslol.jpg">www.webpost.net/di/direst...suslol.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webpost.net/di/direstrike/jesuslol2.jpg">www.webpost.net/di/direst...uslol2.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webpost.net/di/direstrike/jesuslol3.jpg">www.webpost.net/di/direst...uslol3.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby theeKultleeder » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:31 pm

was noticing John E. Nemo's thread in the "Scientology" forum on this board. That forum is filled with mostly crap. Nemo posts the OT VIII document, where "Hubbard" writes that Jesus was a pedophile. Okay, but what if you don't believe in Jesus? Does that statement matter at all?

Fact is, Christians have been accusing others of pedophilia and rape and blood drinking even up until.... NOW! So it must hurt.


Oh, I know, it's all a terrible evil. The Illuminati, the Catholics, the Jews, the Scientologists, Hollywood - they are all out to get you. IF you are an Evangelical Christian.

How about looking at it all from a secular sociological point of view? OH YEAH, THAT'S SATANIC, TOO.

HUBBARD DID NOT WRITE OT VIII!!!!!!!!!!

It is a forged document put out there by God knows who, from AN ANTI-SCIENTOLOGY SITE:

CoS's lawyer for the case, who had earlier in that same session repeated the offical statement that OT8 is a forgery. So, the two CoS lawyers clearly disagree, but Moxon is the one called in as the expert on the copyrights:


But, the two lawyers disagree... what's going on?

So now CoS has a severe problem. There are two possible answers:

- OT8 is a fake. In which case Moxon overstepped the judge's rules for the search on Lerma's files big time - he designated and impounded it - and also doesn't know his OT's from a forgery (and didn't the cult claim that their technologies improve memory?)

- OT8 is not a fake. In which case Hubbard did refer to Jesus as 'a lover of young boys' and CoS's lawyer Cooley was lying in court when he said that OT8 was a forgery.


The text of OT VIII sounds like Hubbard, BUT, anyone who knows anything about scientology "scriptures" (like me) knows that SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO "MIX PRACTICES" AND THE MENTION OF "KARMA" IS A DEAD GIVEAWAY. The average scientologist would have no idea what "karma" is, and if they did, they would NOT BE ALLOWED TO THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

from the Fishman Affidavit: OT VIII wrote: A body free of religious
mania, right/wrong dichotomy and synthetic karma.


Hubbard DID NOT write the above... Here is a quote from A.C.T.:

The above bulletin is a fake. The distribution channels as denoted on the left hand side of the header read AO C/Ses, AO Auditors etc.
This bulletin would not be routed to the AO's, which stand for Advanced 
Organizations, for it would only be routed to the ship called the FREEWINDS 
where OT VIII is delivered. OT VIII is delivered on the ship for management 
wants a tight reign on the security of OT VIII. This letter would of had 
to been stolen off the ship if it was real and I doubt that since inventory 
is kept of all the OT VIII material.
Also in this forged bulletin there are references to a Budhist term called: 
Karma, which is never used in Scientology for Scientology nomenclature has 
its own definitions for concepts such as Karma.
There are also biblical references which Scientology would never infer.
Scientology would never allow a mixture of practices in any of its dogma and 
has made it a firm policy not to allow it.
I could go on but I feel I made 
enough of my point.
Tony Austin 


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.clea ... 6bfe7192f2


In my observations, the above statements are truthful. All the abbreviations the above author mentions would only be known by a clerk who files papers in the scientology organization; they seem to be correct by his reckoning.

I am not standing up for scientologists or the free zone, I am standing against liars.

Guess what Christians - one of your own made op the OT VIII document to fool you. You are being deceived!!!



You are being deceived!


Here is a note from a real live person who did OT VIII in the "Church." The Church of Scientology OT VIII is not the same as the propagandist crap you read above:

Subject: NEW OT8 RUNDOWN!!
From: "A. JACKSON" <106231.2751@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:40:38 -0400


First, I need to correct a mistake I made when I said the Fishman version of OT5 is still valid, it is NOT. Dennis pointed this out to me. I had forgotten that there was a version of OT5 in the Fishman letter in addition to NOTs. That version of OT5 called "Extroversion from MEST", is NO longer valid. OT5 is just NOTs.

I spent 17 years receiving very heavy criticism of, and judgment on, my actions and decisions and was put under a microscope before doing EVERY OT level. I received 100's of hours of sec-checking into every aspect of my life, including my most intimate thoughts and deeds. I was questioned at great length by "Ethics Officers", sometimes in groups calling themselves "Boards of Investigation". All this resulted in a conviction on my part that I had NEVER made a good decision, that I was TOTALLY INCAPABLE of doing so, and that I was a bad person. This experience made me avoid decisions if at all possible, always defer to my husband or a friend, ask my children's advice, do "what Ron would do", ask my auditor, do nothing until forced to act when a situation deteriorated, never disagree, etc., etc. Now I have decided to "share" OT8 instead of using the threat to do so to secure protection or other gain. I still don't know if it's the right decision.

I have NO OT8 materials in my possession. My description is from memory, but, as you will see, there is not a lot to remember. New OT8 consists of two parts; A and B. Part A is E-meter drills and drilling actions required on a C/S 53 (this is an action supposed to find and "handle" mental trauma arising from past bad auditing or life situations that will interfere with auditing) Part B consists of reading History of Man and getting very thoroughly checked out on it, and studying and solo-auditing New OT8. The description of the rundown given in the materials is not at all precise. In that respect it differs from all other actions I did in Scientology. There is no question(s) given in quotation marks. The instructions simply state that you have to look over your past auditing and take the past-life identities you have discovered you were and check them on the E-meter to see if they are true or false. You cannot look at your folders so you do the identities you remember. Some of the people initially responsible for supervising OT8 were RPF'd for giving us suggestions on what to do. Without words put in our mouths we did not know what to do. The first thing you do is the C/S 53. Then the instructions from the Case Supervisor consist of 1. Fly a rud (ie. "handle" anything your attention is on) 2. OT8.

and the instructions do not change throughout the rundown.

Here is an example of what I did in an actual session, and what I wrote because I had to write down what I did.

I took the identity "Beethoven" because I remembered having "realised" in auditing that I "was" Beethoven. I looked at the E-meter I was connected to and I thought about being Beethoven and I thought the question "True?" and looked to see if the meter reacted. It didn't. I thought the question "False?" and the meter reacted. So I had NOT actually been Beethoven. Here is what I wrote (it's in French, my native tongue) Beethoven Vrai? x ("x" means no meter reaction) Faux? LF ("LF" means Long Fall, a meter reaction) F/N (Floating Needle means the action concerning Beethoven is finished and I am happy about it)

Of all the identities I checked on OT8 only one turned out to be true. I was allowed to attest that I had finished when I had a "big cognition" (ie. a realization) about death. I had had a very strong fear of death which had not resolved in all the auditing I had done. On OT8 I realised that I, the being, would never die and I was "totally blown out"
as Scientologists would say. I was now OT8 and I came back home and promptly got sick.

Because of the hype OT8s are regarded as demi-gods and have to conceal the problems and inadequacies they have. I had the opportunity to study the "cases" of some OT8s and speak with others and I realised I was by no means the only OT8 with problems. Some of the problems suffered by OT8s are alcoholism, homosexuality (regarded by Scientology as a degraded, perverted activity only indulged in by individuals who are not worthy of having ANY rights in society), extra-marital affairs, voyeurism, heart attacks, strokes, criminality, and divorce.

Voila.

Ariane Jackson, Sept 1996.

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/ot8denounce3.htm


So, do you all get it? Scientology is bad, but lying about it or making fun of the people who do it DOES NOT HELP.
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