Sesame Credit: China's Orwellian & Huxlean Gamification

[stickdog99]

[tapitsbo]

As recommended by several posters on this board, for better or for worse!

[Grizzly]

I've had this 'sneaking suspicion', -never spoken out loud, never written until today- since I first learned many, many years ago, that US Ambassador to China Diplomatic Liaison (1974-75) was George Herbert Walker Bush, and that he somehow sold America out to the Chinese. That he and his gang, are traders (read: treason) to this nation and they have set us up the bomb.

I can't help but wonder if the less than 1% Lawrence Wilkerson talks about in my rev·o·lu·tion, thread, aren't part of this hallowing out. This coup d'etat that was tried in the past, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Hasn't come to fruition.

Further, I wonder if the less than 1% plan on living where they are safe, in gated communities of China: Living a Frontier Dream on the Outskirts of China’s Capital.

http://www.metafilter.com/155472/Americ ... -big-house
“America represents wilderness and freedom, and also a big house,” you know for those who can afford it. Those in the club.

[tapitsbo]

Interesting. I've often wondered whether Mao Zedong sold out China to certain actors in the West.

[Joao]

I wonder if the less than 1% plan on living where they are safe, in gated communities of China: Living a Frontier Dream on the Outskirts of China’s Capital.

Ever been to China? I've worked there and hope to never return. The <1% could do a lot better.

Regarding the OP:

The next big NSA leak, what will it be?

Massive, detailed profiling of every single one of us--online activity, banking records and purchase history, location data (from phones, license plate tracking, facial recognition in security cameras), medical records, every source you can dream of--all being tallied in a realtime "Terrorist Credit Score."

It's surely in place already. Credit to the Chinese for being overt about it, at least. I guess.

[Grizzly]

Ever been to China?

I, as so happens have indeed, been to China. And would go again. The less than 1% care not where their base is because they have no allegiance to anything, except power. Not money, because they own the money. They make it out of thin air.

[tapitsbo]

But in the West there's more collapse-of-USSR level incompetence happening. What will happen when the terrorists/dissidents/insurgents are the majority of the population and there aren't enough vans for all of them?

[Grizzly]

Only Kidding...

p.s. does anyone besides me, notice GHWB's hair is parted from a different side, possibly due to reflection, and not to mention the Orwellian & Huxlean Gamification speak.

[Joao]

Pollution, poverty, corruption, surveillance state, disparity with Western standards, and unwelcoming culture* aside, the constantly grey, hazy climate alone is enough to warrant looking elsewhere for their New Eden.

* Contrasted with the much friendlier Taiwanese, who are ethnically the same as PRCers.

[Grizzly]

“They are playing a game. They are playing at not
playing a game. If I show them I see they are, I
shall break the rules and they will punish me.
I must play their game, of not seeing I see the game.”

~ Knots
by R.D. Laing

"a guerrilla information war." Marshall McLuhan, Culture Is Our Business
(Ballantine Books, 1970), page 66.

"our kind will be the first to blaze a trail into a new life." Karl Marx,
adopted by Guy Debord, and quoted by Marcus, page 185.

"Establishment and Resistance in one convenient package." Tom Frank,
Commodify Your Dissent: Salvoes from the Baffler (Norton, 1977), page 35.

[stickdog99]

To be jingoistically honest, I am even more scared of the Chinese populace than I am of the US populace. And that takes a hell of lot. But the small number of Chinese national students I have met have even Trump beaten when it comes to what I fear most.

[Grizzly]

Bump.

James Corbett has some in depths readings on this in his latest : https://www.corbettreport.com/sesame-cr ... xperiment/

Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode of people on a treadmill ...

[Grizzly]

Bump.

James Corbett has some in depths readings on this in his latest : https://www.corbettreport.com/sesame-cr ... xperiment/

Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode of people on a treadmill ...

[Wombaticus Rex]

As someone who's ghostwritten entire books on the US credit score industry, I gotta say China's system might be better: it is at least responsive and relatively transparent, as well as directly accountable to the Chinese government.

Here in the United States, almost everywhere you shop, everywhere you go, the very infrastructure betrays you to a whole ecosystem of private, competing entities who all aspire to grow into the One True Arbiter of Reality.

Anyways, the China Proxy aspect is more interesting.

I have been reading Douglas Valentine's almost painful book "The Strength of the Wolf" and he makes many references to US congress being bought by China before WWII even started. I'll transcribe some passages:

p. 12

The primary of China as a source of narcotics had been known to the US government since the turn of the century, when the father of the Harrison Narcotic Act, Dr. Hamilton Wright, having tended to the benighted, opium-addicted masses of the Far East, convinced President Theodore Roosevelt that drug addiction was on the rise in America, thanks to China's opium surplus. The government did not sit idly by, and it eventually sent Foreign Service officer Walter Adams to Changsha, China, specifically to curtail opium smuggling by Chinese and American smugglers. On 8 August 1921, Vice Counsel Adams, with the help of sailors aboard the US Navy gunboat Villa Lobos, seized a ton of opium that was being story on the premises of an American commercial concern, right next door to the US consulate in Changsha.

...

Another example of US government involvement in the Chinese opium trade was the so-called Opium Scandal of April 1927. At the center of the scandal was Leonard Husar, a former US Attorney in Shanghai. In 1925 Husar (and his lawyer) formed relations with Colonel Hsu, the intelligence officer for General Chang Tsung-chang, a Shangtung warlord contending with Chaing Kai-shek and the Kuomintang Party (KMT) for control of Shanghai. With the knowledge of the State and War Departments, Husar provided Colonel Hsu with 6,500 Mausers he acquired from an Italian arms merchant, in exchange for $500,000 worth of opium.

The middleman in the transaction was State Department special employee A. M. "Tracey" Woodward. No stranger to shady drug deals, Woodward had been caught shipping opium from Iran to Shanghai in 1925. At his trial in a Consular Court in Bushire, Woodward claimed he was in the business in order to spy on foreign drug traffickers. Evidently this was true, and Woodward received barely a slap on the wrist and was transferred back to Shanghai, where Husar destroyed the transcripts of his trial for a cool $25,000.

The government never would have revealed any of this, but the facts came tumbling out in 1927 when Husar's wife, in the course of suing him for divorce in San Francisco, revealed his dirty little secrets for all the world to see. (A public figure as well as a scoundrel, Husar was then contemplating running for Governor of California.)

As a result of Mrs. Husar's testimony, federal investigators also learned that Captain William Eisler of the American Chamber of Commerce has been with Husar when all payoffs were made. Eisler's presence suggested official sanction, and profits from the opium-for-arms trade were rumored to be filtering back to US congressmen.

First mention of a "China Lobby" shows up in familiar company a few pages later:

p. 16

Among Anslinger's supporters (later referred to as "Anslinger's Army") were blue chip drug manufacturing and pharmaceutical lobbies, several conservative newspaper publishers, the law enforcement community, the Southern-based evangelical movement, and the powerful China Lobby.

Names get named much later on:

p. 69

...by swearing his undying loyalty to China Lobby Senators Patrick A. McCarran[/url[ (Chairman of the Judiciary Committee), [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland]James O. Eastland (Chairman of the Internal Security Subcommittee), and Richard B. Russell (Chairman of the Appropriations Committee), Anslinger assured the FBN's bureaucratic survival at a time when the Truman administration was thinking about transferring the Bureau to the Justice Department.

Ralph Oyler was Anslinger's man in the field who reported that 1) the KMT was actually running all the drugs in the far East and 2) the KMT were debauched, entitled playboys with no real capacity to take over and rule China. Anslinger wisely covered that right the fuck up.

John Service was a Foreign Service officer who blew that same whistle publicly and got his career destroyed by the China Lobby for doing so. He was, obviously, branded a Communist.

[Grizzly]

Among Anslinger's supporters (later referred to as "Anslinger's Army") were blue chip drug manufacturing and pharmaceutical lobbies,

interesting, I just read this the other day...

https://voat.co/v/conspiracy/comments/735517

Is the China Government publicly or quietly participating in this new market as a destabilization tactic for the common drug cultures present in the US or Europe youth Cultures? A new age sythetic opium wars of sorts to provide costly chaos with the ability to create non-workers that provide an obvious strain on the already taxed social systems in place in the US & Europe.

A large number of the types of drugs coming are outright non recreational drugs. Some almost seem to chemicaly libotomized the user after lots of times only one use.

I know people will quote the safe drugs they are taking or the rc flav of the month in here as a some sort of rebuttal to what I wrote but some cities are in crisis mode with hospitals taxed from frequent visits invloving after care treatments out of no where. Not including crimes from flaka.

Anyone have any information or anything to add? How is China allowed to export known dangerous substances with no consequences?

Is this an allowed attack by government on our own poor communities if one was to follow the proposed scenario of the CIA cocaine funneling into black communities during the 80s & 90 as a sort of super quick duplication of results minus the profits?

Edit: I want everyone to think about the new RC laws supposedly to curb RCs and remember decade back when China was supposed to stop supplying Mexican Cartels with the precursors to methamphetamine for warehouse super labs.

Methamphetamine is everywhere and while even replacing the US cooks and actually increased production.

Edit:http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1915904-china-is-supplying-a-drug-war-against-the-united-states/

Found this shit just now. Vindicated.