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How US went Fascist Mass media Makes excuses for Trump Voter

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:48 am

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How the US went Fascist: Mass media Makes excuses for Trump Voters
By Juan Cole | Feb. 24, 2016 |

By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) | – –
The rise of Donald Trump to the presumptive Republican standard bearer for president in 2016 is an indictment of, and a profound danger to the American republic.
The Founding Fathers were afraid of the excitability of the voters and their vulnerability to the appeal of demagogues. That is the reason for a senate (which was originally appointed), intended to check those notorious hotheads in Congress, who are elected from districts every two years.
But it isn’t only the checks and balances in government that are necessary to keep the republic. It is the Fourth Estate, i.e. the press, it is the country’s leaders, and the general public who stand between the republic and the rise of a Mussolini.
The notables have been shown to be useless. Donald Trump should have been kicked out of the Republican Party the moment he began talking about violating the Constitution. The first time he hinted about assaulting the journalists covering his rallies, he should have been shown the door. When he openly advocated torture (‘worse than waterboarding’), he should have been ushered away. When he began speaking of closing houses of worship, he should have been expelled. He has solemnly pledged to violate the 1st, 4th and 8th Amendments of the Constitution, at the least. If someone’s platform is unconstitutional, it boggles the mind that a major American party would put him or her up for president. How can he take the oath of office with a straight face? The party leaders were afraid he’d mount a third-party campaign. But who knows how that would have turned out? Someone with power needs to say that Trump is unacceptable and to define him out of respectable politics, the same way David Duke is treated (Trump routinely retweets Duke fellow-travellers).
Then there is the mass media. As Amy Goodman has pointed out, corporate television has routinely pumped Trump into our living rooms. They have virtually blacked out Bernie Sanders. Trump seems to have connived to have 10 or 15 minutes at 7:20 every evening on the magazine shows, such as Chris Matthews’ Hardball, who obligingly cut away to Il Duce II’s rants and gave away his show to him on a nightly basis.
Not long ago, extremely powerful television personalities and sportscasters were abruptly fired for saying things less offensive than Trump’s bromides. Don Imus was history for abusive language toward women basketball players. But Trump’s strident attack on Megyn Kelly as a menstruating harridan was just allowed to pass. Jimmy ‘the Greek’ Snyder was fired by CBS for saying African-Americans were ‘bred’ to be better athletes. But Trump issued a blanket characterization of undocumented Mexican labor migrants as rapists, thieves and drug dealers. Of course this allegation is untrue.
I watched the Nevada caucus coverage on MSNBC and was appalled at the discourse. One reporter tried to assure us that Trump voters were not actually voting for racism and bullying politics, they were just upset. But polling in South Carolina demonstrated that Trump voters were significantly to the right of most Republicans on some issues. In SC, 38% of Trump voters wished the South had won the Civil War, presumably suggesting that they regretted the end of slavery.
Another MSNBC reporter helpfully explained that Trump voters feel that ‘political correctness’ has gone too far. But what does Trump mean by ‘political correctness’? He means sexism and racism. So what is really being said is that Trump supporters resent that sexist and racist discourse and policies have been banned from the public sphere. There is ample proof that Trump’s use of ‘political correctness’ identifies it with sexist and racist remarks and actions.
Yet another asserted that ‘some of’ Trump’s positions ‘are not that extreme.’ Exhibit A was his praise for Planned Parenthood. But he wants to outlaw abortion, i.e. overturn the current law of the land, which is extreme. (A majority of Americans support the right to choose, so he is in a minority).
Chris Matthews explained to us that people hoped he would do something for the country rather than for the government.
But Trump has made it very clear that he is not interested in a significant proportion of the people in the country. He is a white nationalist, and his message is that he will stand up for white Christian people against the Chinese, the Mexicans, and the Muslims. Just as Adolph Hitler hoped for an alliance with Anglo-Saxon Britain on racial grounds (much preferring it to the less white Italy), the only foreign leader Trump likes is the ‘white’ Vladimir Putin. That he won the evangelical vote again in Nevada is helpful for us in seeing that American evangelicalism itself is in some part a form of white male chauvinist nationalism and only secondarily about religion.
By the way, the idea that Trump won the Latino vote in Nevada is nonsense. In one of a number of fine interventions at MSNBC, Lawrence O’Donnell pointed out that something on the order of 1800 Latinos voted in the Nevada GOP caucuses, of whom perhaps 800 voted for Trump, i.e. 44% of this tiny group. Trump lost the vote of even this small group of hard right Latinos, since 56% of them voted for someone else.
There are 800,000 Latinos in the state of Nevada (pop. 2.8 million). In 2012, 70 percent of Latinos voted for Barack Obama, while Mitt Romney got 25%. My guess is that Trump can’t do as well among them as Romney did.
It has been a dreadful performance by the press and by party leaders. They are speaking in such a way as to naturalize the creepy, weird and completely un-American positions Trump has taken.
This is how the dictators came to power in the 1920s and 1930s. Good people remained silent or acquiesced. People expressed hope that something good would come of it. Mussolini would wring the laziness out of Italy and make the trains run on time.
When Benjamin Franklin was asked by a lady after the Constitutional Convention what sort of government the US had, he said, “A Republic, Madame, if you can keep it.”
You have to wonder if we can keep it.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:59 am

......far more entertaining and nuanced Matt Taibbi article here

How America Made Donald Trump Unstoppable

He's no ordinary con man. He's way above average — and the American political system is his easiest mark ever

By Matt Taibbi February 24, 2016

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:13 am

yes

You think the media sucks now? Just wait until reporters have to kiss a brass Trump-sphinx before they enter the White House press room.

"He has all these crazy ideas, and [reporters] are so scared of him, they don't ask him any details," says Michael Pleyte, an Iraq vet who came all the way from Michigan to watch the New Hampshire primary in person. "Forget about A to Z, they don't even ask him to go A to Trump."

King Trump. Brace yourselves, America. It's really happening.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby NeonLX » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:53 am

I may need to apply for refugee status in Iceland or somewhere.
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Postby jakell » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:33 pm

Here's a little graphic that you North Americans might find amusing:

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and here's the link for some Archdruid style election coverage:

The Decline and Fall of Hillary Clinton
" Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism"
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Re: How US went Fascist Mass media Makes excuses for Trump V

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:08 pm

Interesting that Juan Cole sees the "Fascist" overtones as originating from one Donald J. Trump, in an election year where Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton sounded completely indistinguishable from the GOP field of candidates on foreign policy -- and, increasingly, domestic, as she pivots from defending health care for all Americans as basic common sense, to deriding health care for all Americans as just so much "free stuff."

Sure enough, a guy who rallies behind diversity and free speech is calling for the RNC to do the work of silencing Trump. Ah well. At least Cole has been on point about AIPAC and Israel in the past, but if memory serves, wasn't he a big fan of Killary's work in Libya?
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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:01 pm

The difference between veiled and overt counts. Where there were dog-whistles, Trump has loudspeakers. He's not exploiting it, he's pushing it hard. And all because he's a narcissist with excellent faking abilities, at least on the level to which he caters. Classic stuff -- if Mussolini and Hitler are the classics.

Also, there is a difference between the imperialism that can be called fascist (in spirit, but that's not what it is - and of course it's even worse) and the popular fascism that Trump is actually helping to unleash, although it's always been there and its (renewed) open popular expression was no doubt inevitable. The two combined in power can only result in an exponentially worse world of hurt domestically and internationally.

But yeah, fuck Juan Cole and his liberal imperialist rationalizations for war.
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Postby Nordic » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:08 pm

I just wish that the zillions of people who are losing their collective shit over Trump would get equally upset over our actual leaders -- you know, the ones who yield real and military power and are using it daily -- who are, in fact, fascistically waging permanent war, slaughtering people all around the globe, supporting monsters, subverting our basic rights, incarcerating record number of citizens, poisoning our air and water and farmland, poisoning our food with chemicals from poison makers and making it illegal to let us know which foods are poison, have destroyed the free press and are desperately trying to start WW3 with the greatest nuclear power in the world -- I mean the list goes on and on and for some reason hardly ANYBODY protests about this stuff but OMG some reality star blowhard comes along with ZERO actual power and he's the next fucking Adolf Hitler.
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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:13 pm

Will he still have zero power if he wins?

Do you think it won't represent a new stage because the elite will manage him and his "movement"?
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Postby Nordic » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:28 pm

JackRiddler » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:13 pm wrote:Will he still have zero power if he wins?

Do you think it won't represent a new stage because the elite will manage him and his "movement"?



The elite may whack him. He doesn't play ball. He reminds me of the film director in the movie "Wag the Dog". He had a huge ego and look what they did to him.

Seriously, he'll only have as much power as the real PTB let him have. He probably hasn't had his "Bill Hicks moment" yet, but if they can't fake election results enough for him to lose, and they don't whack him, he will have that moment.

I'm kind of surprised people here still think that the Prez really has that much power. Trump could really be a grain of sand in the machine. At least for a while.
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Re: How US went Fascist Mass media Makes excuses for Trump V

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:43 pm

could you two just post all the authors you object to so I won't continue to upset your sensibilities


can't say the word fuck and now I can't post Cole....jess people taking all the fun out of this place :P
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Re: How US went Fascist Mass media Makes excuses for Trump V

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:54 pm

seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:43 pm wrote:could you two just post all the authors you object to so I won't continue to upset your sensibilities


This being what this is, I think it's safe to just assume we object to everybody, and carry on.

Peter Dale Scott? Too much damn poetry.
Jeff Sharlet? Too respectable, too successful to be real.
Chris Hedges? Almost definitely the secret chief of the CIA.
Michael Parenti? Didn't he do that thing that time? I bet he did.
Michael Hastings? Sure, he was doing good work for awhile, but he's been suspiciously quiet lately.
Jacques Vallee? If he's so smart, why isn't he rich?
Jeff Wells? Crypto-Scientologist.
Douglas Valentine? If you think can trust a former tree surgeon, you're fucking insane.
Daniel Hopsicker? Limited hangout con artist with suspect taste in shirts.
Alfred McCoy? If he was really an expert, he'd be teaching college courses.
Nafeez Ahmed? Working for VICE disqualifies anyone automatically.

I can go on if need be. But I reckon we've established our credentials by now.
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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:01 pm

Wombaticus Rex? Sure, he's great as a commentator but then the mask falls off and he bans your ass!
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Re: How US went Fascist Mass media Makes excuses for Trump V

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:02 pm

seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:43 pm wrote:could you two just post all the authors you object to so I won't continue to upset your sensibilities


can't say the word fuck and now I can't post Cole....jess people taking all the fun out of this place :P


What is it with you? Of course you can post Cole. And people might respond, is all.
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Re: How US went Fascist Mass media Makes excuses for Trump V

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:25 pm

what's with you Jack?

loose your sense of humor somewhere along the way?

that little smilie thing :P ? I think it means razz?

just as after awhile I found your aversion to only my capital letter OPs amusing



two no no's in one morning was just too annoying for me not to express my outrage :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

and of course I know I can post Cole and I also know I can say the word fuck here.....and start OP's in all capital letters if I feel like it! :P


Womby's reply was so very entertaining and I thank him for that

that guy does have some wit about him :)
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