"Secret History of Freemasons"; Ritual Weirdness

[FourthBase]

Just saw some History Channel thing. Hilarious, and depressing. The first half hour built up a pretty decent (but incomplete and loaded with pro-mason bias or undeserved neutrality) case for why Freemasons should be viewed with deep suspicions. Not a bad half hour, except for the retarded "woo woo" special effects and music. And then in the next 10 minutes, right after the halfway point, it went into full blown debunk mode, but it was hysterically funny how lame it was. The writers of the show (obviously the script was written by Freemason sympathizers, i.e., Freemasons) seemed to just phone in the "reality" behind the scandals. The effect was like: "When in reality, William Morgan was kidnapped by renegades, see?...and so there was no conspiracy...at all...moving on..." Hilarious. The embarrassingly transparent shoddiness of the debunking attempt was almost evidence enough that there's plenty to suspect Freemasons of. For example, one thing I suspect them of, and for which they are irrefutably guilty of, is being weird. I mean, what the fuck is up with these grown men dressing up like that and keeping secrets and shit, even if they're just a bunch of affluent spiritually bankrupt but politically innocent white men? That's just fucking weird. But then there really is some kind of criminal conspiracy there, somewhere at the top levels at least, and you can feel it via the lameness of their P.R. defense. It's tangible. But back to the weirdness...this show has a re-enactment of a supposedly complete and authentic initiation ritual. And seriously, what the fuck? Who the fuck participates in rituals like that?

[FourthBase]

No one cares?

Fine, let's insert race into the thread, race is good for ratings.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/prince_hall/famous.html

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Charles Rangel, Andrew Young, Julian Bond, Kweisi Mfume, Benjamin Hooks, Thomas Bradley, Lawrence Douglass Wilder...

...have all done this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3719250111

..and are down with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonr ... activities

Now, forget for a moment questions of conspiracy...
Isn't that just fucking weird, that those people are down with that?

[mentalgongfu2]

I care, but I don't have a TV and there is no link to the Discovery show.

[theeKultleeder]

I wish "freemason9" would post on this thread...

[FourthBase]

Why?

I'm putting aside the ways people usually speculate about sinister conspiracies Freemasons are involved in, or behind. I'm just focusing on the way in which Freemasonry is a really fucking weird, really fucking fucked up thing. Rituals are fucking stupid, period. Count me among those (not even sure how many like me there are) who don't have an ounce of reverence for ritualistic religiosity of any kind. They're all weird. Eat the body and drink the blood of a schizophrenic Jew who claimed he was God? Yeah, no thanks. Yet the content of Freemason rituals is uniquely bizarre, morbid, and threatening. And it's no paranoid illusion, its members are indeed powerful people, people who expressly see themselves as leaders of society and protectors of secrets. Anyway...what the fuck are Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Mfume doing re-enacting the murder of Hiram Abiff and swearing to themselves to secrecy?

[mentalgongfu2]

Rituals are fucking stupid, period. Count me among those (not even sure how many like me there are) who don't have an ounce of reverence for ritualistic religiosity of any kind.

Rituals, whether religious or not, are an inherent part of human activity. I'm still trying to get through the video about masonic rituals, so I'm not ready to comment on those specifically, but you're discounting the entire idea of rituals is what seems fucking stupid to me.

Rituals are essential in forming a group identity (read: community), helpful in transmitting history and knowledge and have all sorts of other beneficial aspects.

A family dinner, the Superbowl and rock concerts are all rituals.

[FourthBase]

Rituals are fucking stupid, period. Count me among those (not even sure how many like me there are) who don't have an ounce of reverence for ritualistic religiosity of any kind.

Rituals, whether religious or not, are an inherent part of human activity. I'm still trying to get through the video about masonic rituals, so I'm not ready to comment on those specifically, but you're discounting the entire idea of rituals is what seems fucking stupid to me.

I don't actually give a flying fuck whether rituals are an inherent part of human activity dating back to prehistoric ancestors. So is meat-eating, which I think is a ghoulish evil activity that should cease. I don't mind being in opposition to something that is supposedly "human nature", I don't mind being the buffoon who takes a stand against supposedly permanent characteristics of mankind. Rituals are fucking stupid. People "need" them, but they don't really need them.

Rituals are essential in forming a group identity (read: community), helpful in transmitting history and knowledge and have all sorts of other beneficial aspects.

While that may be historically true, that early humans benefitted from rituals because it was the best way to transmit knowledge with a minimum of "file corruption" (hello autistics!) and because it strengthened group bonds, who really gives a fuck about all that when evaluating rituals' usefulness and meaning today. We, today, are not helpless nomads barely more sentient than a common chimpanzee. We can figure shit out and agree to help each other out and pay our respects to being alive without elaborate rituals.

A family dinner, the Superbowl and rock concerts are all rituals.

Oh, right. Yeah, not really. Very low intensity rituals, if anything. Loosely designed and loosely executed. Some people take Super Bowl gatherings and rock shows very seriously, I guess. I'm really talking, of course, about the more serious rituals. Like, you know, church. And the rituals of freemasonry. Rituals that aren't a joke. Not that the ones that are jokes are funny. I have to battle existential nausea half the time at most concerts as I contend with the reality of a mass of humans joyfully forfeiting their individuality, enjoying their individuality being obliterated by rituals of conformity, no matter how much the rituals "rock out" (even in ironic exaltation of individuality). Same thing goes for watching sports with friends and especially at stadiums, and eating dinner with my family, or being in church. Rituals help humans willfully retard an organic, honest, and often uncomfortable thought process. They allow for totalitarianism. I am not only an anti-fascist, I'm even more an anti-totalitarian, because fascism can be the result of a few aggressors imposing an agenda against the wishes of a powerless constituency, whereas totalitarianism is the kind of fascism that sweeps massive crowds up and creates a situation where honest thinking verges on the brink of extinction, and malignant memes invade and take hostage the cultural central nervous system. From what I know about Adorno, I think I share a little of his anti-totalitarian paranoia.

[8bitagent]

Best thing I ever saw on Freemasons was the avant garde dialogue-less 3 and a half hour art house film by Mattew Barney called "Cremaster 3".

What's interesting is the two sides of Masonry. You have the altruistic philanthropist bettering oneself image of brotherhood, wherein most Freemasons are very good people

But then you truly do have this historical prescedent of people in a position of power amongst higher rungs of Freemasonry who used the craft as a way to conceal and conspire some dastardly deeds.

Case in point: P2, the "black lodge" in Italy that helped coordinate false flag terror bombings with the CIA and NATO, and helped carry out assassinations as well as a several billion dollar bank swindle with the Vatican, all in the 60
s through 80's

But then you have the esoteric core of Freemasonry...while amongst "Fringe" and conspiracy circles, the talk is of "33", "Jah bu lon", "Yoda", "ordo ab chao", etc...

There is no doubt that every famed occultist/left hand pather has given praising words to Masonry and has said how much its been used as a template.

And thats really what Masonry had become: A template from which endless secret societies hatched out of.

You also have the "Lucerferian" accucation, from references to Albert Pike to Madam Blavatsky. Heck, Manly P Halls doesnt help the Masonic cause when he talks about a Lucerferian like agenda and a secret destiny for America. Clearly L'enfant was designing DC in accordance to Sirius, Egyptian mythology, as above/so below ideas, etc

But then you have Hitler talking the "Masons taking over the wolrd" meme, an innoculation mixed with the Protocols where Hitler killed 30,000 Freemasons and tried to wipe it out in Europe(which is odd, as Hitler himself was a puppet of some truly nefarious secret orders)

So the argument of "inner head" vs "porch masons" can go on for centuries...isnt it funny, that theres been "conspiracy" books exposing the Masons since literally the 1700's?

Hell...even Disney has been trying its best to promote a pro Masonic agenda:

[KeenInsight]

The History Channel is just pathetic, really. Between their 'conspiracy fair and balanced' specials, Hitler Remembrance (reminding all that fascism was then, not now), and Nostradamus Worshiping+9/11, there really is no point in watching that channel.

[AlicetheKurious]

FB wrote:

No one cares?

No, FB, I care, but was looking forward to something a little more substantial than a fluffy analysis based on "that's f*cking weeird, man!"

Some MEAT (pardon the pun) I could sink my teeth into, think about, and respond to.

I'll let you in on a deep, dark secret: I suspect that behind the New World Order, Skull & Bones, zionism, the "New Age" movement and all sorts of other things that we think of as separate, is a secret Masonic cult intent on world domination. "The Stargate Conspiracy" is a good place to start, especially if one has already read the books by Graham Hancock and the other international best-sellers promoting masonic themes, Robert Lomas, Richard Hoagland, the stuff about Edgar Cayce, et al, many of which are related to ancient Egyptian artifacts / extraterrestrial intelligence and their heavy portents for our world.

The fact that the coming New World Order was announced by Bonesman Bush on September 11, 1990, and launched 11 years later on September 11, 2001 -- the Pharaonic New Year, by a global superpower with his eldest son enthroned, started the masonic ball of string rolling for me. A striking characteristic of Masons is their obsession with Ancient Egyptian "secrets" and symbols, as well as the "two pillars", stars, the square and compass (the Masons fancy themselves "architects" and "engineers" -- of reality?), as well as the black-and-white checkerboard (the "grand" global chess-game?).

There. But despite compelling pings! of recognition, I haven't got anything more coherent than disparate bits and pieces. Just enough to mark me as a registered tinfoil paranoid kook, for now.

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[8bitagent]

The fact that the coming New World Order was announced by Bonesman Bush on September 11, 1990, and launched 11 years later on September 11, 2001 -- the Pharaonic New Year, by a global superpower with his eldest son enthroned, started the masonic ball of string rolling for me. A striking characteristic of Masons is their obsession with Ancient Egyptian "secrets" and symbols, as well as the "two pillars", stars, the square and compass (the Masons fancy themselves "architects" and "engineers" -- of reality?), as well as the black-and-white checkerboard (the "grand" global chess-game?). [/img]

Hey you got it. Perhaps more than many others. There was no coinkydink that 9/11 happened 11 years to the day after Poppy Magog's thousand points of light/nwo speech, nor 11 years prior to 2012...incidentally when the Freedom Tower obelisk rises on the souls of 3000. Nor the symbolism of the Jachin and Boaz pilars with the Twin Towers; nor the highly esoteric Pentagon building. Have you seen the short documentary
"9/11 Star Gate"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUvSqY3po24

In my view America was created by the Satanic elite of Europe, for what Manly P Hall refers to as a "pecular" and hidden destiny. On 9/11, in NYC and the area between Virgin(ia) and Mary(land) we saw this dark manifestation unfold.

I find it so fascinating you're actually from Egypt, where so much of the Satanic global elite draw their beliefs and obsession from.

Isnt it fascinating how Washington DC, as exhaustively detailed by David Ovarson in his book "Secret Architecture of Washington DC", was literally set up as a giant esoteric celestial Egyptian necropolis?

Were lead to believe this is all just coincidences:


(white house at the tip)




From Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike:
Jachin and Boaz pilars


And of course Isis watching over the whole proceding with strong governence:


Whenever the elite pull off these ritualist events like the atom bomb, 9/11, JFK, Di, etc they cant help but riddle the act with symbolism through and through.

Horus, Isis, Sirius dog star, numerology...all the tired but true obessesions of the elite.

9/11 nothing short than the grand unveiling to their unholy Gods, an offering of 3000 instand souls, the final push toward a one world government, a symbolic portal using the bin Laden/Rockefeller built occult Twin Towers and 9/11/1941 constructed 77 foot tall Pentagon

[8bitagent]

Oh yeah, and no surprise Masons built the Chryster building:



well well, look what its staring at. I like the "Conspiracies of 9/11" at the bottom of the page. Here's Chrystler's symbol


The elite love sacrificing to their Goddesses.

On Feb 1st 2003, the 7 crew Columbia exploded over Texas(note that the patch has masonic like designs and 7 stars)



Princess Diana, crashing into the 13th pilar on the 31st of august, under a black bronze pentagram/eternal flame:


Overlooking many US and European government building and soldier memorials are more Goddesses of death

[IanEye]

Best thing I ever saw on Freemasons was the avant garde dialogue-less 3 and a half hour art house film by Mattew Barney called "Cremaster 3".

[mentalgongfu2]

Okay Fourthbase, WHY are rituals fucking stupid?

[FourthBase]

No, FB, I care, but was looking forward to something a little more substantial than a fluffy analysis based on "that's f*cking weeird, man!"

I think examining the aesthetic weirdness without connecting political dots is useful and substantial. I also think connecting the political dots is ultimately what we're looking for, and doing that inevitably demonstrates just as much weirdness, as you and 8bit have demonstrated. All we get from Freemasons is "Oh, don't worry your pretty little head" about the patterns and symbology as if it's not all profoundly important to them.

Okay Fourthbase, WHY are rituals fucking stupid?

"Rituals help humans willfully retard an organic, honest, and often uncomfortable thought process." It's the deification of habits, and habits shouldn't be deified. But I guess it's part of our nature, part of how we evolved (arbitrarily), turning habits into religions. It's stupid.