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Gattaca DNA Dystopia

Postby elfismiles » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:44 am

"I'm all verklempt. Talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you a topic ... Gattac-like DNA Dystopia, are we there yet? Discuss."
- Linda Richman, Host of Coffee Talk :?

National DNA Database

In 2006 and 2007, then, Senator Obama, filed legislation that would create a national DNA database. The same bill was filed by Sen. Patrick Kennedy in 2008 . The bills required parental consent, but all three died in the Senate.

Study finds support by some parents

Not everyone is opposed to collecting, storing and using DNA from the newborn screening program for later use. A study by the University of Michigan found that when asked for consent, only 24 percent of parents objected to using their newborns blood samples for research. That number jumped to 72 percent of parents who were somewhat or very unwilling when asked if the samples could be used without permission.

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/health/governme ... na-samples


Parents suing Texas over drops of blood
http://www.kvue.com/news/Parents-suing- ... 42152.html

Government taking newborn DNA samples
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/health/governme ... na-samples
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/politics/s ... 9096551522

Arrests are being made 'to expand DNA files'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 929017.ece


RI Links

Are We Headed for a Sci-Fi Dystopia?
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=17236

Enter: Gattaca?
DIY DNA research
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=22721

How reliable is DNA in identifying suspects?
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=19417

DNA Evidence Can Be Fabricated, Scientists Show
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=24856

Report: Hoover Planned Mass-Arrests For Disloyalty
FBI Prepares Vast Database of Biometrics
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=15380

IBM and the Genographic Project (IBM and the Holocaust 2?)
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=20195
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Postby elfismiles » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:49 am


State agrees to destroy more than 5 million stored blood samples from newborns

Destruction of samples stored for possible medical research ends lawsuit against state.

By Mary Ann Roser
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Updated: 5:25 a.m. Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2009
Published: 7:38 p.m. Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009

To settle a lawsuit, the state has agreed to destroy more than 5 million blood samples from newborns that it had stored indefinitely for possible research without parents' consent, the two sides said Tuesday.

The Texas Civil Rights Project filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in San Antonio in March on behalf of four parents and a pregnant woman who dropped out later. It claimed that the state's collection and storage of the samples amounted to "an unlawful search and seizure" and violated the privacy rights of the parents and their children. Under the settlement, the state will destroy 5.3 million samples it has collected between 2002, when the Department of State Health Services began storing the blood, and May 27, when a new state law restricting the practice was signed.

Federal Judge Fred Biery approved the settlement agreement Dec. 14 and gave the state 120 days — until April 13 — to finish destroying the samples, which are stored at Texas A&M University's School of Rural Public Health.

This year, when stories in the American-Statesman brought the practice to light, the state health department and some medical researchers defended it, saying that collecting the blood spots on paper — done when newborns are screened for various health disorders — might one day provide valuable clues about childhood cancer and other diseases. They said that because the samples were coded and did not identify the babies by name, privacy rights were protected.

But the Texas Legislature approved a law in May requiring medical professionals to inform parents or guardians that the blood spots would be collected and stored indefinitely and could be used for research. Parents who objected could send a statement to the state health department, and their child's samples would have to be destroyed within 60 days. If the parents didn't do that, the child could upon reaching adulthood.

Between the time the law passed and Nov. 2, about 6,900 Texans have signed forms asking that the state destroy their child's samples, out of 240,000 children born in that period, department spokeswoman Allison Lowery said. The department is getting 500 to 600 requests a week to destroy samples, she said.

A statement from the state health department said it "believes settling this lawsuit is in the best interest of this program's core mission to screen all newborn babies in Texas for life-threatening disorders. Newborn screening saves children's lives, and settling this lawsuit allows us to continue operating this critical program."

Jim Harrington , director of the nonprofit civil rights group in Austin, said his organization was "very pleased with the way it worked out."

Harrington said there were only two options to end the lawsuit: destroy the samples or try and go back to 2002 and get consent from all parents. About 400,000 babies a year are born in Texas.

Among the parents who sued was Austin lawyer Andrea Beleno, Harrington's daughter-in-law. Her son Joaquin Harrington was born in November 2008, and Beleno said she had no idea "in the haze after giving birth" that any blood had been drawn and stored.

"To me, this whole thing was about consent," she said. "If they had asked me ... I probably would have consented. The fact that it was a secret program really made me so suspicious of the true motives, there's no way I would consent now."

Harrington said he will work with a legislative committee before the next regular session in 2011 to refine the new law.

He wants the state to divulge what research it is using the samples for and whether anyone is making money from it. He also wants to see how well the "opt out" provision is working.

Many other states do what Texas had been doing, and a consumer group in Minnesota has been fighting the practice there for several years.

"The State of Texas has taken first steps to restoring the genetic privacy rights of Texas children. This is a wonderful Christmas present for Texas citizens," Twila Brase, president of the Citizens' Council on Health Care in St. Paul/Minneapolis, said in a statement.

maroser@statesman.com; 445-3619

http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/sta ... 41734.html

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:58 am

I was under the impression that just like MAINCORE this is already in place and, unlike the Death Star orbiting Saturn camouflaged as a moon, it's "fully operational." Like most of the legislative wrangling and political moves surrounding intelligence agencies, this is mostly to reduce overhead by bringing covert programs out of the shadows and into the tax-payer funded, congressionally-protected budget.

I think a good rule of thumb in post-reality would be that if it's existed for over a decade, it's fully operational somewhere. For instance, I find it much harder to believe that there are not already human clones among us.
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Postby elfismiles » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:56 pm

Agreed WR.

In Ingo Swann's book PENETRATION he alleges to have interacted with government agents whom he believes were clones.

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Postby psynapz » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:00 pm

elfismiles wrote:In Ingo Swann's book PENETRATION he alleges to have interacted with government agents whom he believes were clones.

Holy crap, what does that do to RA survivor stories with famous faces in them?

Is there a water they have yet to muddy? Artaud was right, but he had no idea how right he would become.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:34 pm

elfismiles wrote:Agreed WR.

In Ingo Swann's book PENETRATION he alleges to have interacted with government agents whom he believes were clones.


...and not only clones, but surely various types of "super" humans as well, in line with experimentation initiated [at least in full force] by those tinkering Nazis during [or after] WWII, and continuing here in the States via Paperclip and other clandestine diddling.

I imagine technology with regards to DNA and manipulation of humans via cloning/modification has gone on for many years in the deep cellars of Black Ops...

Whereas the mainstream sees "technological advances" such as:

iPods
Cell phones [with vidcam!]
Viagra
Increasingly wondrous special effects in movies [Avatar] and increasingly enhanced Virtual Reality via video games....

Diversions, to keep the MASSES pacified. True advances in technology and other fields are suppressed in the mainstream; that would include cures for various ailments and disease [why have cures when it is far more profitable to have "return customers" committed to 'treatments'], advanced and alternative/cleaner sources for ENERGY, etc. [Tesla technology is one of many examples, to the extent Tesla Technology was truly as revolutionary as some believe]
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Postby Sounder » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:32 pm

No worries mates, the govt’s have some positions that need filling and they are probably just shopping around for more psychopaths.


http://www.bushstole04.com/newworld/psychopath.htm

The neurobiological model offers us the greatest hope of being able to identify even the most devious psychopath. Other recent studies lead to similar results and conclusions: that psychopaths have great difficulty processing verbal and nonverbal affective (emotional) material, that they tend to confuse the emotional significance of events, and most importantly, that these deficits show up in brain scans! A missing internal connection between the feeling heart and the thinking brain is detectable. Psychopaths are incapable of authentic deep emotions. In fact, when Robert Hare, a Canadian psychologist who spent his career studying psychopathy, did brain scans on psychopaths while showing them two sets of words, one set of neutral words with no emotional associations and a second set with emotionally charged words, while different areas of the brain lit up in the non-psychopathic control group, in the psychopaths, both sets were processed in the same area of the brain, the area that deals with language. They did not have an emotional reaction until they intellectually concluded that it would be better if they had one, and then they whipped up an emotional response just for show. The simplest, clearest and truest portrait of the psychopath is given in the titles of three seminal works on the subject: Without Conscience by Robert Hare, The Mask of Sanity by Hervey Cleckley, and Snakes in Suits by Robert Hare and Paul Babiak.
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DNA manipulation

Postby hanshan » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:39 pm

...


Belligerent Savant wrote:
elfismiles wrote:Agreed WR.

In Ingo Swann's book PENETRATION he alleges to have interacted with government agents whom he believes were clones.


...and not only clones, but surely various types of "super" humans as well, in line with experimentation initiated [at least in full force] by those tinkering Nazis during [or after] WWII, and continuing here in the States via Paperclip and other clandestine diddling.

I imagine technology with regards to DNA and manipulation of humans via cloning/modification has gone on for many years in the deep cellars of Black Ops...

Whereas the mainstream sees "technological advances" such as:

iPods
Cell phones [with vidcam!]
Viagra
Increasingly wondrous special effects in movies [Avatar] and increasingly enhanced Virtual Reality via video games....

Diversions, to keep the MASSES pacified. True advances in technology and other fields are suppressed in the mainstream; that would include cures for various ailments and disease [why have cures when it is far more profitable to have "return customers" committed to 'treatments'], advanced and alternative/cleaner sources for ENERGY, etc. [Tesla technology is one of many examples, to the extent Tesla Technology was truly as revolutionary as some believe]


yeah, well, ...

The Gods of Eden,... & all that


WR:


I was under the impression that just like MAINCORE this is already in place and, unlike the Death Star orbiting Saturn camouflaged as a moon, it's "fully operational." Like most of the legislative wrangling and political moves surrounding intelligence agencies, this is mostly to reduce overhead by bringing covert programs out of the shadows and into the tax-payer funded, congressionally-protected budget.


wellsaid


cue the spooky music




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Postby crikkett » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:01 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:unlike the Death Star orbiting Saturn camouflaged as a moon, it's "fully operational."


Um, what?

I gotta hear this story. Please tell!
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:04 pm

I think you can ask Hoagland. Me personally, I was making a joke, although the evidence is certainly interesting. I believe Iapetus is the name of the anomalous moon in question. Happy googling!

Hoagland, like Icke, is a hoot, and aside from being a functionally retarded publicity whore I really don't hold anything against him. The man does his thing onstage, like we all should.

EDIT: YES, IAPETUS IT IS. DEATH STAR HO!

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NASA Liars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus_%28moon%29

The Unvarnished Truth:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:43 pm

Robert KG Temple floated that idea ( or maybe launched it into orbit ) in the Sirius Mystery - although he reckoned it was the space-ship of the ancient fish-gods from Sirius B & they might be still aboard in suspended animation or something.
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Postby crikkett » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:34 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:YES, IAPETUS IT IS. DEATH STAR HO!

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Fabulous! Thanks for the fun reading, and Merry Christmas.
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Re: Gattaca DNA Dystopia

Postby elfismiles » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:55 pm

via drudge...

HOMELAND SECURITY PLANS DNA SCREENING...

Can't find actual text article, only image:

TheDaily.com
Genetic Patdown
homeland security plan for DNA screening could quickly lead to other uses, abuses
by Katie Drummond

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/02/26 ... anner-1-2/
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Re: Gattaca DNA Dystopia

Postby 82_28 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:04 pm

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Re: Gattaca DNA Dystopia

Postby elfismiles » Tue May 31, 2011 3:59 pm

For the record ... I recently came across these "clarifications" from TSA about this news story... I'm sure they are correct in the short-term specifics but I'd bet money on them rolling this out in the near-term / long-term.

TSA Testing DNA? No way! 2.26.2011
***Update 3/4/2011

http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/02/tsa-testing-dna-no-way.html

UPDATED: Fox Completely Fabricates Report That TSA Will Screen Passengers' DNA (VIDEO) March 03, 2011
http://mediamatters.org/research/201103030042

Homeland Security Considering Portable, Instant DNA Scanners
By Mickey McCarter / March 04, 2011 / FoxNews.com
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/ ... z1NqXOJiAM

Doocy "Apologize[s]" For Fox & Friends' Fabricated Report On TSA Plan to Screen Passengers' DNA (VIDEO)
March 04, 2011 8:08 am ET
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201103040004
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