What Rough Beast?

[sunny]

I was intrigued by this comment from Alice on the "Freemason" thread, which has evolved into a thread on ritual:

I'll let you in on a deep, dark secret: I suspect that behind the New World Order, Skull & Bones, zionism, the "New Age" movement and all sorts of other things that we think of as separate, is a secret Masonic cult intent on world domination. "The Stargate Conspiracy" is a good place to start, especially if one has already read the books by Graham Hancock and the other international best-sellers promoting masonic themes, Robert Lomas, Richard Hoagland, the stuff about Edgar Cayce, et al, many of which are related to ancient Egyptian artifacts / extraterrestrial intelligence and their heavy portents for our world.

The fact that the coming New World Order was announced by Bonesman Bush on September 11, 1990, and launched 11 years later on September 11, 2001 -- the Pharaonic New Year, by a global superpower with his eldest son enthroned, started the masonic ball of string rolling for me. A striking characteristic of Masons is their obsession with Ancient Egyptian "secrets" and symbols, as well as the "two pillars", stars, the square and compass (the Masons fancy themselves "architects" and "engineers" -- of reality?), as well as the black-and-white checkerboard (the "grand" global chess-game?).

There. But despite compelling pings! of recognition, I haven't got anything more coherent than disparate bits and pieces. Just enough to mark me as a registered tinfoil paranoid kook, for now.

Having recently become interested in the occult investigations of Ben Fairhall who makes a compelling case that secret occult societies are manipulating prominant figures such as Britney Spears into events of occult significance (and let's not forget that no less than the AP has decreed that whatever move she makes must be front and center), I was wondering if we could explore this further. I freely admit to having a very sketchy understanding, at best, of all things occult including the symbology, ritual, and mythology thereof.

I wonder, like Alice, toward whatare they manuevering us pawns on this grand chessboard? Who are they and what do they want to achieve? What is the ultimate purpose of these rituals, these syncronicities, that we (or rather I) can vaguely discern in our everyday perusing of this board and elsewhere? We get moved around very carefully it seems to me and there are too many indications and even proof of the involvement of high muckety mucks for it all to be for naught or for very little, or for strictly esoteric goals.

I just want to understand and to sharpen my discernment. So buy me a book and send me to school, as it were.

[sunny]

*shaking myself from a deeeeeep sleep and smacking myself on the forehead*

I'm new around here. I just realized that my questions have been pondered by a far, far greater mind than my own-namely our own Jeff. In fact one could say RI's raison d'être is dedicated to answering these questions, or at the very least articulating the questions themselves, and much better than I have in the op.

Still. I think it's time we got back to our original mission. So discuss away.

[sunny]

Here is a page with a wealth of fascinating information on Freemasonry:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm

Some of the quotes:

“Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ...”

“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.” (pp. 104, 105 & 819)

“FREEMASONRY is a fraternity within a fraternity — an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect. Before it is possible to intelligently discuss the origin of the Craft, it is necessary, therefore, to establish the existence of these two separate yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most august fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcanum arcanorum. Those Brethren who have essayed to write the history of their Craft have not included in their disquisitions the story of that truly secret inner society which is to the body Freemasonic what the heart is to the body human.”
- Manly P. Hall 33°,

“Satanic Ritual is a blend of Gnostic, Cabbalistic, Hermetic, and Masonic elements, incorporating nomenclature and vibratory words of power from virtually every mythos .... Masonic orders have contained the most influential men in many governments, and virtually every occult order has many Masonic roots.”

- Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Rituals — Companion to the Satanic Bible, pp. 21, 78

“All truly dogmatic religions have issued from the Kabalah and return to it: everything scientific and grand in the religious dreams of all the illuminati, Jacob Bœhme, Swedenborg, Saint-Martin, and others, is borrowed from the Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and their Symbols.”

- Albert Pike, 28th Degree, XXVIII - KNIGHT OF THE SUN, OR PRINCE ADEPT, p. 744

forgive me, I'm playing catch-up. sunny

[AlicetheKurious]

Sunny, you might enjoy reading "The Hiram Key" by Robert Lomas (and another author, I can't remember his name).

Not only is it a fun read, but quite informative, as well.

According to the authors, Moses was an Egyptian magus, who, as a member of the Egyptian royal family, knew the secret rituals that Pharaohs undertook in order to become gods. The authors speculate on what those "secrets" might comprise.

Long before there was such a thing as Jews, Moses gathered various semitic tribes that had been living in Egypt, and took them out into the desert to indoctrinate them into a "pyramidal" religion, one in which those at the base would serve as a buffer for those at the apex, ie the priestly class. Only the priestly class would have the precious occult knowledge, which would be preserved through stylized rituals that would ensure that it was perfectly preserved for the "illuminati" while remaining impenetrable to the riffraff.

After the destruction of Jerusalem, these secrets were later sought and found by the Templars; after the destruction of the Templars, they were preserved by the "Freemasons" who emerged in Scotland, then in the U.S. and elsewhere.

This is a very brief synopsis of a book I read a couple of years ago, but I do remember enjoying it tremendously. There is lots of other stuff, about Judaism, Jesus and Christianity, the Catholic Church and Jacques de Molay and much else. Hmm. I think I'll read it again, once I've finished the book I'm reading now, and the next one in line.

There are darker "histories", which I also recommend, because they contain some very valuable information. But since I can't recommend them as enthusiastically as they include statements that many would find offensive, I'll be happy to pm you a link to some rather comprehensive info.

[John E. Nemo]

Would that link be to Stormfront, Alice?

What you've written above is Aryan mythology the likes of which Hitler preached.

[sunny]

John, I think I'd like to decide for myself whether to reject information.

Alice please send me whatever you have. Links to informative websites would also be welcome. My searches have turned up a couple of good sites such as Waking the Midnight Sun but I'm looking for something or someone as informed and comprehensive as Ben Fairhall, who may take a different tack. Just trying to get as many perspectives as possible. Thanks.

[IanEye]

Remember Sunny,

"All Shriners are Masons....




... but not all Masons are Shriners."

[medicis]

There are darker "histories", which I also recommend, because they contain some very valuable information. But since I can't recommend them as enthusiastically as they include statements that many would find offensive, I'll be happy to pm you a link to some rather comprehensive info.

Would you mind doing the same for me? This area(s) are now becoming much more intriguing to me.

Thanks

[orz]

I met someone at the dog show
She was holding my left arm
But everyone was acting normal so I tried to look nonchalant.
We both said, "I really love you,"
The Shriners loaned us cars
We raced up and down the sidewalk twenty thousand million times

[barracuda]

Alice -

I read "The Hiram Key" years ago also, and many of the books precepts have stayed with me in the back of my mind. There is a detailed examination of Jesus as a sort military leader with the title of the "Christ", trying to raise an army through his travels and teachings to rebel against the occupying army of Caesar, and executed by the Romans for this. According to the authors, he was just one of many such aspiring Jewish "messiahs" of that era, and many of them also attemped to take the mantle of the "Christ" as aspiring leaders of an insurgency. That book was also where I first read that the Shroud of Turin was possibly the winding sheet of Jaques de Molay. Good stuff.

[Nordic]

AlicetheKurious wrote:

[The fact that the coming New World Order was announced by Bonesman Bush on September 11, 1990,]

Do you have a link to that, and/or the full context of the quote?

I'd sure be interested in that. The whole 9/11 thing is really so obviously filled with symbolic intent. Hell, just the 11 part of the 9/11, the twin towers, both of them falling .... It was the grandest psyops in the history of the world, IMO. The most epically diabolical thing I've ever seen.

9/11-koolaiders say "why did the towers have to fall down? Wasn't the fact that airliners crashed into the trade centers psyops enough?"

Hell no! Those two twin towers falling, disintegrating to nothing, crushing everyone inside, including the crash itself, obliterating it all, was the most crucial part of the whole operation!

9/11.

Check out this photo of the brazen 9/11 iconography used by Bush:




Why the F can I not post photos here? It's really annoying!

[AlicetheKurious]

Nordic, it's surprisingly difficult to find a full transcript of the speech from an official government site, online; I had to make do with Wikipedia:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toward_a_New_World_Order


excerpt from "Toward a New World Order" September 11, 1990:

We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era -- freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace.

An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor.

Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak. This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki. He and other leaders from Europe, the Gulf, and around the world understand that how we manage this crisis today could shape the future for generations to come.

The test we face is great, and so are the stakes. This is the first assault on the new world that we seek, the first test of our mettle. Had we not responded to this first provocation with clarity of purpose, if we do not continue to demonstrate our determination, it would be a signal to actual and potential despots around the world. America and the world must defend common vital interests -- and we will. America and the world must support the rule of law -- and we will. America and the world must stand up to aggression -- and we will. And one thing more: In the pursuit of these goals America will not be intimidated.

Vital issues of principle are at stake. Saddam Hussein is literally trying to wipe a country off the face of the Earth. We do not exaggerate. Nor do we exaggerate when we say Saddam Hussein will fail. Vital economic interests are at risk as well. Iraq itself controls some 10 percent of the world's proven oil reserves. Iraq plus Kuwait controls twice that. An Iraq permitted to swallow Kuwait would have the economic and military power, as well as the arrogance, to intimidate and coerce its neighbors -- neighbors who control the lion's share of the world's remaining oil reserves. We cannot permit a resource so vital to be dominated by one so ruthless. And we won't.

Recent events have surely proven that there is no substitute for American leadership. In the face of tyranny, let no one doubt American credibility and reliability. Let no one doubt our staying power.

We will stand by our friends. One way or another, the leader of Iraq must learn this fundamental truth. From the outset, acting hand in hand with others, we've sought to fashion the broadest possible international response to Iraq's aggression. The level of world cooperation and condemnation of Iraq is unprecedented. Armed forces from countries spanning four continents are there at the request of King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to deter and, if need be, to defend against attack. Moslems and non-Moslems, Arabs and non-Arabs, soldiers from many nations stand shoulder to shoulder, resolute against Saddam Hussein's ambitions.

We can now point to five United Nations Security Council resolutions that condemn Iraq's aggression. They call for Iraq's immediate and unconditional withdrawal, the restoration of Kuwait's legitimate government, and categorically reject Iraq's cynical and self-serving attempt to annex Kuwait. Finally, the United Nations has demanded the release of all foreign nationals held hostage against their will and in contravention of international law. It is a mockery of human decency to call these people ``guests.'' They are hostages, and the whole world knows it.

Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, a dependable ally, said it all: ``We do not bargain over hostages. We will not stoop to the level of using human beings as bargaining chips ever.'' Of course, of course, our hearts go out to the hostages and to their families. But our policy cannot change, and it will not change. America and the world will not be blackmailed by this ruthless policy.

We're now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders. We owe much to the outstanding leadership of Secretary-General Javier Perez de Cuellar. The United Nations is backing up its words with action. The Security Council has imposed mandatory economic sanctions on Iraq, designed to force Iraq to relinquish the spoils of its illegal conquest. The Security Council has also taken the decisive step of authorizing the use of all means necessary to ensure compliance with these sanctions.

Together with our friends and allies, ships of the United States Navy are today patrolling Mideast waters. They've already intercepted more than 700 ships to enforce the sanctions. Three regional leaders I spoke with just yesterday told me that these sanctions are working. Iraq is feeling the heat. We continue to hope that Iraq's leaders will recalculate just what their aggression has cost them. They are cut off from world trade, unable to sell their oil. And only a tiny fraction of goods gets through.

The communique with President Gorbachev made mention of what happens when the embargo is so effective that children of Iraq literally need milk or the sick truly need medicine. Then, under strict international supervision that guarantees the proper destination, then food will be permitted.

....

Once again, Americans have stepped forward to share a tearful goodbye with their families before leaving for a strange and distant shore. At this very moment, they serve together with Arabs, Europeans, Asians and Africans in defense of principle and the dream of a new world order. That is why they sweat and toil in the sand and the heat and the sun.

If they can come together under such adversity; if old adversaries like the Soviet Union and the United States can work in common cause, then surely we who are so fortunate to be in this great chamber—Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives—can come together to fulfill our responsibilities here.

Thank you. Good night. And God bless the United States of America.


Medicis & Sunny, I'll pm you the link I have.

John E. Nemo, I struggle mightily not to call you an asshole. But...it's...so...gasp!...hard....ugh.

And no, the site is not Stormfront, which I've never visited. But from what I understand, if you fear it so much, just substitute "Arab" for "Black" and "Muslim" for "Jew", and you'll feel right at home there.

[theeKultleeder]

John, I think I'd like to decide for myself whether to reject information.

Alice please send me whatever you have... Just trying to get as many perspectives as possible. Thanks.

I had the same intuition as John E. did. And he didn't tell you to reject any info, as a matter of fact, he addressed his comments to Alice.

But you two are internet buds, aren't ya?

And why reject John's perspective if you "want to get" as many as possible?

[nomo]

Why the F can I not post photos here? It's really annoying!

Not your fault. BBCode doesn't like so-called querystrings in images. Just remove the question mark and everything following it from your image link and you're golden.

[sunny]

John, I think I'd like to decide for myself whether to reject information.

Alice please send me whatever you have... Just trying to get as many perspectives as possible. Thanks.

I had the same intuition as John E. did. And he didn't tell you to reject any info, as a matter of fact, he addressed his comments to Alice.

But you two are internet buds, aren't ya?

And why reject John's perspective if you "want to get" as many as possible?

Because I would reject it if it came from Stormfront. He was smearing her information without providing evidence. If I decide it is "Aryan Mythology" I'll toss it and move on.

He may have been addressing Alice, but she was answering my query.

By saying Alice and I are buds you seem to be implying that one or the other of us is guilty of something by association. Care to articulate just what that might be?