Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

[chump]

KATYN 2. No more doubts: Digitally enhanced video confirms Polish survivors executed by international terrorists from the FSB Russia
Publication time: 6 May 2010, 16:05
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/201 ... 2001.shtml

[Sweejak]

Miscellaneous:

Pilots of the Polish Tupolev Tu-154 was given the wrong weather report
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... Mx9WVzf_rw

In the cab Tu-154 was probably the director Protocol Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... hFkyrOXvCQ

Polish investigators questioned by video from the crash of Tu-154
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... vHPCzqkqrw

Polish prosecutors investigating the air crash that killed the president of Poland and 95 others last month have discovered new evidence suggesting that the crew were pressured into trying to land.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -land.html

Twin of Polish president killed in plane crash thanks Russians for their sympathy and help
http://www.metronews.ca/edmonton/world/ ... y-and-help

Each pilot 36th regiment should be at least twice a year to train on the simulator. Simulators are in Moscow and there is not practicing the standard flight emergencies only: failure of landing gear, a fire in the cabin, a sudden loss of vision, etc. The problem is that the crew who flew with the president to Smolensk, he never practiced on the simulator in such composition. I repeat, not once. I also think that they were not well-coordinated.

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 26rls%3Den

[Pele'sDaughter]

I don't think this has been posted yet on the thread.

Goldman Sachs banker sacked by Kaczynski to head new Warsaw office for bigger business
By Jane Burgermeister
A Goldman Sachs banker who was fired as Prime Minister by President Lech Kaczynski is set to head a new branch of the bank to be opened in Warsaw, according to the website of the Chamber of German and Polish Industry and Commerce.

http://www.ihk.pl/index.html?action=sai&ida=7096

Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz was made Prime Minister by President Lech Kaczynski following the following the victory of the Law and Justice party in the September 2005 in elections, but he was fired soon after and went to work for Goldman Sachs in London.

Just three weeks after the death of President Kaczynski is a mysterious plane crash in Smolensk on April 10th, Goldman Sachs has said it is seeking to open an office in Warsaw, to expand its business in the region, and Marcinkiewicz is set to be its chief.

Goldman Sachs is just the latest of the big banks to flood into Warsaw to take advantage of the changes in government policies following the sudden death of about 100 top Polish military and government officials, including the central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek, in a plane crash that has many of the marks of being deliberate.

Skrzypek pursued a monetary policy that was at odds with the wishes of the bankers and the pr euro, pro IMF Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

In a letter published posthumously in the Financial Times, Skrzypek argued for a weak Zloty to boost exports, employment and tax revenues.

High exchange rates, achieved via the euro, have destroyed exports, increased unemployment and reduced tax revenues, putting countries in debt, and under the control of the banks, around Europe.

Greece’s is currently face ten years of rule by the IMF, the banker controlled financial body, following a debt mountain engineered with the help of Goldman Sachs as well as Goldman Sachs bankers employed in government positions.

Petros Christodoulou is former Goldman Sachs employee and currently the chief Greek government debt officer.

To pay the interest on this engineered mountain of paper debt, Greeks are expected to give up their pensions, their salaries and see huge cuts in social services.

So much money is expected to be sucked out of the Greek economy into the banks pockets that some eonomists expect Greece to enter a death debt spiral from which it will never recover.

Only the reintroduction of a new currency, or the drachma, at a good exchange rate can rescue Greece, economists argue.

Goldman Sachs is also facing criminal charges in the USA for its role in the current financial crisis, engineered by subprime mortgages and an investigation for its role in the derivatives.

Goldman Sachs’ role in the Greek meltdown is not being investigated – or in the Polish plane crash.

But perhaps the time to start is now given the evidence that the crash was deliberate and that Goldman Sachs has a direct motive to remove Lech Kaczynski over his sacking of Marcinkiewicz?

Bloomberg reports on the bank’s plans to expan their business in Poland:

April 21, 2010, 7:37 AM EDT

(Adds comment from Citigroup in third paragraph.)

By Ambereen Choudhury and Gavin Finch

April 21 (Bloomberg) — Citigroup Inc. says it will expand its Warsaw-based investment-banking operations in Poland to take advantage of planned government asset sales.

The U.S. bank joins Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Credit Suisse Group AG and JPMorgan Chase & Co. in vying for advisory work for the government, which is preparing to sell stakes this year in its energy, insurance, chemical and phone companies to raise $10 billion to finance the widening budget deficit.

Poland’s government is urging banks to set up shop in Warsaw if they want business from the state. Citigroup, which is based in New York, bought a majority stake in Bank Handlowy SA, Poland’s biggest corporate bank, in 2001. Citigroup has about 5,800 employees in Poland.

The government plans this year to sell an additional 10 percent of PGE SA, the country’s biggest power producer. PZU SA, the state-owned insurer, may sell 8.1 billion zloty ($2.9 billion) of shares in an initial public offering next month, and the government also plans to sell more than 25 percent of utility Tauron Polska Energia SA in the first half of the year. The Warsaw bourse may also go public after the state dropped plans to sell the market operator to a competitor last year, according to the government.

Goldman Sachs, based in New York, is seeking to open a branch office in Warsaw. Credit Suisse of Zurich announced in January a plan to open a brokerage this year after shutting its Warsaw stock-dealing business in 2003.

http://tiny.cc/8li0o

[ShinShinKid]

This is some scary shite...

[Sweejak]

At a time when the rest of Europe is talking about banning Goldman Sachs.

[Pele'sDaughter]

Passengers in Cockpit When Polish Leader’s Plane Crashed
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 19, 2010

MOSCOW (AP) -- Officials investigating the plane crash that killed Poland's president and 95 others last month say the crew did not have regular training and that passengers were in the cockpit before the crash.

There was no conclusion given about the cause of the crash on approach to the Russian city of Smolensk.

Polish investigation envoy Edmund Klich said it was unclear whether the non-crew voices heard in recordings influenced the crew to land despite warnings of bad conditions and poor visibility.

At a Wednesday news conference reporting preliminary investigation results, Russian Interstate Aviation Committee official Alexei Morozov said the crew was formed only a few days before the flight and had not had regular training on how to handle special flight situations.

http://tiny.cc/0h1ka

[Sweejak]

The passengers on President Kaczynksi’s plane, which crashed on April 10, could have been saved if the pilot had moved the aircraft upwards 5 seconds earlier, according to a Polish newspaper.

That’s according to the data from the plane’s flight recorders, which the Dziennik Gazeta Prawna newspaper published on Friday.

The revelations are from a Polish report released after the black boxes were fully decoded.

The report suggests that when the pilot realized it was too late to climb, he decided to crash land, losing control of the plane when the wing hit a tree.

It also claims that mobile phones could have negatively influenced the aircraft's systems, as they were not switched off.

Last month's crash near Smolensk in western Russia killed all 96 people on board.

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-05-14/polis ... conds.html

[Ben D]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_re_eu/eu_poland_plane_crash

Black boxes in Polish crash reveal pilots warned

By VANESSA GERA and DAVID NOWAK – Tue Jun 1, 3:14 pm ET

WARSAW, Poland – Poland published cockpit conversations Tuesday of the final minutes before the April plane crash that killed President Lech Kaczynski, revealing that pilots decided to land in heavy fog despite warnings from air traffic controllers about poor visibility.

A transcript of the last 39 minutes of the flight also shows that a Foreign Ministry official, Mariusz Kazana, entered the cockpit and made remarks indicating that the president was involved in deciding whether or not to make the difficult landing.
There have been suspicions in Poland that Kaczynski might have pressured the pilot and co-pilot to risk a dangerous landing to keep from being late to a memorial ceremony for Poles massacred by the Soviet Union 70 years ago.

The black boxes, which contain some indecipherable information, do not settle that matter definitively, but they do suggest that the pilots might have been distracted by the presence in the cockpit of non-crew members.
According to the transcript, the dangers became clear about 25 minutes before landing, when an air traffic official told the Polish crew: "the conditions for landing do not exist."

Later, Kazana, the chief of diplomatic protocol, entered the cockpit and Capt. Arkadiusz Protasiuk told him: "Sir, the fog is increasing. At the moment, under these conditions that we have now, we will not manage to land."
Kazana is quoted as answering: "well, then we have a problem."

"We can hover around for half an hour and then fly off to a backup" airport, the captain replies, later naming Minsk and Vitebsk, two cities in Belarus, as backup options. The crew was also told by the Russian control tower that a Russian Ilyushin plane had abandoned two landing attempts and had flown to another airport.
It's not clear if Kazana left the cockpit and then returned, but a few minutes later he says: "there isn't a decision from the president yet about what to do next."

Polish and Russian investigators have not yet drawn final conclusions about what caused the crash that killed Kaczynski and 95 others, many of them top civilian and military leaders, but evidence has so far pointed to pilot error and bad weather conditions, and the black box recordings seem to further support that theory.

The government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk was eager to publish the report in order to quell suspicions about the cause of the crash and conspiracy theories that have surfaced in the tabloids. Some Polish tabloids have suggested that Russia has something to hide, even though Polish officials have repeatedly praised how Russians have responded and helped investigate the tragedy.

The 40-page transcript, released in Russian and Polish, showed that the plane's warning system told pilots in the two minutes before the crash outside the western Russian city of Smolensk that terrain was ahead and urged them eight times in the final 16 seconds of the flight to "pull up, pull up" — instructions the pilots did not heed until it was too late.
When one wing clipped a tree, which caused the plane to flip and crash, voices in the cockpit screamed and cursed. That was the last information recorded on the black boxes, which then fall silent.
The pilots were warned several times by air traffic control officials that visibility in the fog was limited to about 1,300 feet (400 meters).

The transcript also shows that the pilots were communicating with the crew of a plane carrying Polish journalists that landed at the airport earlier that morning. They mainly discussed the thick fog, with the crew that landed earlier saying that that situation has worsened, but also saying the plane carrying the president could try to land.

Edmund Klich, Poland's envoy to the investigation, confirmed last week that one of two voices in the cockpit not belonging to a crew member was that of the Polish Air Force commander, Gen. Andrzej Blasik. The transcript refers to the presence of Blasik in the cockpit, but does not attribute any words to him.
Klich said that Blasik spent a few minutes in the cockpit and remained there until the end. "He wanted to know what the situation was," Klich said. Klich said that psychologists were trying to determine if Blasik's presence in the cockpit pressured the pilots to attempt a risky landing.
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[Sweejak]

English version now, and some updates.

http://smolensk.ws/blog/187.html

[Sweejak]

Ah, sorry. Only the first 3 are translated, but there is a lot of new stuff in the remaining sections.
Computer translations for most of the rest:
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 2F183.html

[elfismiles]

Just found this on the same page as the Jerry Pippin / Albarelli interview (not sure if they talk about this or not):
viewtopic.php?p=345489#p345489

EDIT: oh, here we go...

Murder Inc. - Spelled CIA, KGB, MI5 - Jerry talks with H. P. Albarelli, Jr. about his true crime Thriller: A Terrible Mistake - The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments. The conversation goes far beyond this incident from the cold war 50s, to what is happening today. The writer has spent ten years investigating in detail the hard dirty facts of the CIA’s history of torture, murder and drug experimentation. This program deals with techniques that have been used for six decades or more. In addition we have information that indicates the recent death of the Polish President and 100 top leaders in a plane crash probably was not an accident including secret video and an English transcript. CLICK HERE
http://www.jerrypippin.com/Murder-Inc.htm

www.ipodshows.net

Video appears to be real and the murder of the photographer has been confirmed in the Polish Press- (April 24, 2010) We have arranged for a loose translation of this video from Russian and Polish to English. The translation is mostly from a man who does business in Poland and travels there several times a year, so his Polish skills are very fluent. He took the video and worked it almost frame by frame painstakingly checking and re-checking. We also are using some input from another person who lives in Poland now and verifies that the story of the photographer being stabbed, taken to the hospital and stabbed three more times there was reported in the local news in Poland. This man was on the scene as he lives near the Airport and arrived with his camera shortly after the crash. We have decided to feature a windows media version of the video so you can stop it and start it at will to see for yourself if our person's translation and observations make sense to you.
The Poles are convinced it was the Russians and probably the KGB who did this. We need to make note that due to the rocky history between Russia and Poland no one is very objective there; the questions remain, why did the Russians want the popular Polish President and his cabinet dead? We invite your ideas and information on this subject. I also suggest it might not have been the Russians, as I am still puzzled over the decision of President Obama to play golf with a photo-op after canceling efforts to attend the state funeral. A man so adept at the image doing this is certainly strange to say the least.

Let me hear from you at jerry@jerrypippin.com
Related Link: New York Times version of the crash


Click above photo for WMV version
http://www.jerrypippin.com/KGB.wmv


Click above photo for YouTube version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgKTW3jm_Y

Click for Translation, Below
http://www.jerrypippin.com/Murder-Inc.htm#trans


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUkobHYAlk
Jane Burgermeister reporting from Warsaw Explanation of background and speculation on how the airplane was given false landing instructions by Air Traffic Controllers insuring that the plane would crash short of the runway.

Translation of the video- note from the translator- "I have attempted a translation of the transcript below, adding one or two of my own clarifications as well, which are in curly {} brackets."

00:12 słychac po polsku stanowczym tonem"uspokój sie"
00:12 One can hear in Polish in an assertive tone, "Calm down."

00:16 "patrz mu w oczy"
00:16 {In Polish,} "Look him in the eyes."

00:21 jeden jeszcze raz tym razem bardzie proszacym tonem "uspokój sie"
00:21 Once again, but this time in a more pleading tone, {in Polish,} "Calm down."

00:23 odgłos przeładowywanego pistoletu
00:23 The sound of a pistol being loaded.
00:23 pusty trzask jakby uderzenie(strzał pistoletu z tłumikiem) i potem chyba "ała";
00:23 An empty {dull?} whack, as if an impact (the shot of a pistol with a silencer) and afterwards likely, "ow."

00:27 "Niech pani"....(dalej nie zrozumiale)...koncówka "Kaczyńskich"
00:27 {In Polish,} "Ma'am, do/do not......(later unintelligible)........the Kaczynskis/of the Kaczynskis."

00:29 po polsku"idziesz(to znak by sygnał puscili "syrene"i zagłuszyli strzały,potem po rosyjsku przez krótkofalówke "zjob" bo zaraz rozlega sie dzwiek syreny!!)
00:29 In Polish, "You're going" (That was a sign to turn on the signal, a siren, and mute the shots. Then in Russian through a radio, "Zyob," because immediately the sound of the siren is heard.) {Possibly "Zyob" might sound like a garbled or colloquial form of "It's done" or "It's happening." Could the siren merely be a passing train? If so, perhaps they knew when it was due to come.}

00:31 cos niewyraznie po rosyjsku "chodjat"
00:31 Something unclearly in Russian, "Come on."

00:47 po rosyjsku "dawaj tuda paskuda" ;
00:47 In Russian, "Give it over here, skank." {A "playful" rhyming phrase, possibly spoken teasingly to a helper with a gun, or possibly spoken insultingly to one or more intended victims.}

00:50 "ubijaj tuda"
00:50 {In Russian,} "Be beating down {killing} over here."
00:51 po polsku :"Boże mój Boże"
00:51 In Polish, "God, my God." {Or, "God mine, God."}

00:53 TERAZ NIECH BÓG MI TO WYBACZY ALE TO GŁOS PREZYDENTA " co jest???"- ( ktoś zaśmiał sie)
00:53 Now may God forgive me for this, but it's the President's voice {in Polish,} "What's this??" (Someone laughed.) {I suppose one would have to electronically analyze the recording to verify whose voice this is. In any case, it is likely an intended victim.}
00:53 streljaj" ;
00:53 {In Russian,} "Shoot."

00:55 przeładowanie broni słychac
00:55 The loading of a weapon can be heard.

00:57 strzał ;
00:57 A shot.

01:00 autor filmu "ni chuja sybir"*
01:00 The author of the film {in Russian}, "No quarter, Siberic." {Rude wording in a Russian accent. Possibly sincere, but more likely only for the benefit of the nearby official seen a little later in the film guarding against closer approach to the action.}

01:06 strzał ;
01:06 A shot.
01:07 smiechy;

01:13 "ja wam dam wy chuje je***...(urywa sie,słychac strzał)!"
01:13 {In Polish,} "I will give it to you, you pricks fu {fu.....pricks}..........." (break in the sound, a shot is heard)

01:22 strzał
01:22 A shot
01:07 Laughter.

01:22 strzał
01:22 A shot
01:23 dziadek "a gdie wchodisz tu... kola"
01:23 A grandfather {old man,} {in Russian,} "And where are you coming in here........ {snooping} around?" {Probably not said by some old man, but rather by the nearby official, mentioned above at 01:00. He might naturally have muttered this to the author of the film as the author passed by him.}
01:23 autor filmu "ni huja siebie"*
01:23 The author of the film, "No quarter, myself." {This is a blatant misquotation. The author of the film can clearly be heard to say "No quarter, Siberic," like he said the first time. Again, he probably only repeated it for the benefit of the official he just passed.}


List of the dead as released from the President of Poland right after the crash-
Glance at some of those who died in plane crash

By The Associated Press (AP) – 6 days ago
A glance at some of the most prominent victims of the crash of Poland's presidential plane April 10, according to the official passenger list, released by the president's office.

_ Lech Kaczynski, 60. Poland's president, a nationalist conservative who had been in office since 2005. A founder of the Law and Justice party, now in opposition, and the twin brother of its leader, former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

_ Maria Kaczynska, 66, Poland's first lady; an economist and translator of English and French, had carried out charity work in her role as first lady. Her uncle was killed at Katyn.

_ Gen. Franciszek Gagor, 58. Army chief of staff since Feb. 2006. From 2004 to 2006, was Poland's representative at NATO in Brussels.

_ Gen. Andrzej Blasik, 47, head of the Air Force since 2007. Received professional military education in Montgomery, Alabama, in 2005.

_ Vice Admiral Andrzej Karweta, 51, Navy chief commander since November 2009. From 2002-2005 served at the Supreme Allied Command Atlantic, SACLANT in Norfolk, Virginia.

_ Gen. Tadeusz Buk, 49, land forces commander since Sept. 2009. Served in 2007 as commander of Polish troops in Iraq.

_ Slawomir Skrzypek, 46, president of the National Bank of Poland since 2007. A longtime colleague of Lech Kaczynski, served under him at Warsaw City Hall from 2002-5.

_ Aleksander Szczyglo, 46, head of the National Security Office, a former defense minister under Kaczynski's brother.

_ Jerzy Szmajdzinski, 58, a deputy parliament speaker, left-wing lawmaker and the opposition Democratic Left Alliance's candidate for presidential elections this year. Served as defense minister at the time of the Iraq war.

_ Ryszard Kaczorowski, 90, from 1989-90 Poland's last president-in-exile in London. In December 1990, passed on the insignia of the presidency to the first democratically elected president, Lech Walesa, in a high-profile ceremony.

_ Janusz Kurtyka, 49. A historian; since 2005 head of state-run National Remembrance Institute, which investigates communist-era crimes.

_ Anna Walentynowicz, 80, Solidarity activist. Her firing in August 1980 from the Lenin Shipyards in Gdansk sparked a workers' strike that spurred the eventual creation of the freedom movement, of which she became a prominent member.

_ Piotr Nurowski, 64, head of Poland's Olympic Committee.

_ Krystyna Bochenek, 56, deputy parliament speaker, member of the prime minister's Civic Platform party.

Parts of this story were contributed by Dennis Whitney and Carolyn Rose Goyda.


http://www.jerrypippin.com/Murder-Inc.htm

[Sweejak]

Personally I think it's easier to fall for this poorly made analysis because of the decades of instilled russophobia, but then one can't expect everybody to be a specialist on every incident. Burgermeister's awful reporting has put her on my shit list.

Here's another transcript, too bad it has had to be run thru the computer translator.
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 2F183.html

It may have been a trap, sure. It's just that I don't see any compelling evidence of it. It's fallen off my radar and my opinion has only gotten harder. I don't like that because what that means is that since it's off my screen I don't get new and better info, and that with my opinion becoming resistant it shortens my patience. That's exactly what I've seen happen in the 9-11 case when opinions get frozen. Well, it's odd being on the other side. Ya'll keep me posted though.

[Elvis]

I followed this thread (thanks for all the digging and posts) trying to figure out what happened. If crash victims were shot, and it seems they were, I thought it might have been local looters who executed their robbery victims. But I dunno, the circumstances do suggest something bigger and more sinister. In any case, for what it's worth, there's this:

Russian servicemen admit to looting plane crash site
by Alyona Topolyanskaya at 08/06/2010 17:08

Four Russian servicemen have been charged with using the credit card of a deceased top Polish official, report RIA Novosti.

Widow of prominent Polish historian Andrzej Przewoznik, 46, reported that money was withdrawn from her husband's account after the April 10th plane crash from a Russian cash point.

According to the preliminary report, the men spent the money that they withdrew through Sberbank cash points on food and alcohol at local cafes and bars, said a source close to the investigation.

Apparently, they’d taken a total of four credit cards, but one was “swallowed” by the ATM.

Three of the four men have previous criminal records ranging from robbery to counterfeiting money.

A source in the Investigative Committee earlier said that the total cash taken amounted to nearly $2000 (60,345 rubles) Defense Ministry spokesman Aleksei Kuznetsov said that all of the money will be returned to the Przewoznik's family.

The suspects could face up to five years imprisonment if convicted.

Przewoznik was the Secretary of the Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites.

On Sunday, Polish government spokesman Pawel Gras accused Russian Special Forces police unit (OMON) officers and then Interior Ministry officers of looting at the site of the crash.

Investigative Committee spokesperson Vladimir Markov said that "neither police nor OMON nor Interior Ministry officers have anything to do with this," adding that the four servicemen were drafted a year ago as part of their civic obligation.

Head of the National Anti-Corruption Committee Kirill Kabanov says the incident showcases the disintegration of the Russian army, and the Russian society as a whole, and notes that looting by the military is nothing new.

“Looting has been around for a long time. We saw this in the early 90’s and we saw it in Chechnya,” said Kabanov.

Kabanov doubts that we will see a public apology from top Russian officials - “We have no history of doing that,” he explained. Ideally, said Kabanov, the entire chain of command should resign to make amends.

“A deed like this casts a shadow on all the good that the Russians did after the plane crash, he added.

A Soviet-made TU-154 crashed near west Russia's Smolensk on April 10, killing all 96 people on board, including President Kaczynski, his wife, as well as a large delegation comprised of top Polish officials.

http://www.mn.ru/russia/20100608/187865817.html

[Sweejak]

Why do you think there was anyone left alive to shoot?
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 2F183.html

[Sweejak]

An earlier link to another translation of the video was the wrong link, It just doesn't work. No matter what I do I end up on Part 4.
So, at the top of the page in part 4 click on the Part 1 link and go there. Then scroll down a bit and you'll find almost all the parts. There are 21 parts, people. The video is in Part 12.

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 2F183.html