"Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

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"Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby Elvis » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:41 pm

It's been hard to get the 'brutal dictator' label to stick with Ahmadinejad, because guess what---he's not. At least according to leaked State Dept. cables (thanks Wikileaks!). The unequivocal "WL is spyops" folks can spin and are spinning this however they can.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/01/do-we-have-ahmadinejad-all-wrong/69434/
Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?

By Reza Aslan Jan 13 2011, 7:30 AM ET

Is it possible that Iran's blustering president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, long thought to be a leading force behind some of Iran's most hard-line and repressive policies, is actually a reformer whose attempts to liberalize, secularize, and even "Persianize" Iran have been repeatedly stymied by the country's more conservative factions? That is the surprising impression one gets reading the latest WikiLeaks revelations, which portray Ahmadinejad as open to making concessions on Iran's nuclear program and far more accommodating to Iranians' demands for greater freedoms than anyone would have thought. Two episodes in particular deserve special scrutiny not only for what they reveal about Ahmadinejad but for the light they shed on the question of who really calls the shots in Iran.

In October 2009, Ahamdinejad's chief nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, worked out a compromise with world power representatives in Geneva on Iran's controversial nuclear program. But the deal, in which Iran agreed to ship nearly its entire stockpile of low enriched uranium to Russia and France for processing, collapsed when it failed to garner enough support in Iran's parliament, the Majles.

According to a U.S. diplomatic cable recently published by WikiLeaks, Ahmadinejad, despite all of his tough talk and heated speeches about Iran's right to a nuclear program, fervently supported the Geneva arrangement, which would have left Iran without enough enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon. But, inside the often opaque Tehran government, he was thwarted from pursuing the deal by politicians on both the right and the left who saw the agreement as a "defeat" for the country and who viewed Ahmadinejad as, in the words of Ali Larijani, the conservative Speaker of the Majles, "fooled by the Westerners."

Despite the opposition from all sides, Ahmadinajed, we have learned, continued to tout the nuclear deal as a positive and necessary step for Iran. In February 2010, he reiterated his support for the Geneva agreement saying, "If we allow them to take [Iran's enriched uranium for processing], there is no problem." By June, long after all parties in the Geneva agreement had given up on the negotiations and the Iranian government had publicly taken a much firmer line on its nuclear program, Ahmadinejad was still trying to revive the deal. "The Tehran declaration is still alive and can play a role in international relations even if the arrogant (Western) powers are upset and angry," he declared. Even as late as September, Ahmadinejad was still promising that "there is a good chance that talks will resume in the near future," despite statements to the contrary from Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei.

The second revelation from WikiLeaks is even more remarkable. Apparently, during a heated 2009 security meeting at the height of the popular demonstrations roiling Iran in the wake of his disputed reelection, Ahmadinejad suggested that perhaps the best way to deal with the protesters would be to open up more personal and social freedoms, including more freedom of the press. While the suggestion itself seems extraordinary, coming as it does from a man widely viewed by the outside world as the instigating force behind Iran's turn toward greater repression, what is truly amazing about this story is the response of the military brass in the room. According to WikiLeaks, the Revolutionary Guard's Chief of Staff, Mohammed Ali Jafari, slapped Ahmadinejad across the face right in the middle of the meeting, shouting, "You are wrong! It is you who created this mess! And now you say give more freedom to the press?"

Taken together, these revelations paint a picture of Iran's president as a man whose domestic and foreign policy decisions - whether with regard to his views on women's rights or his emphasis on Iran's Persian heritage - are at odds not only with his image in the West but with the views and opinions of the conservative establishment in Iran.

Take, for example, Ahmadinejad's comments in June 2010, when he publicly condemned the harassing of young women for "improperly" covering themselves, a common complaint among Iranians. "The government has nothing to do with [women's hijab] and doesn't interfere in it. We consider it insulting when a man and a woman are walking in the streets and they're asked about their relationship. No one has the right to ask about it." Ahmadinejad even criticized "the humiliating high-profile [morality] police crackdown already underway," and recommended launching what he called a "cultural campaign" against "interpretations of Islamic dress that have been deemed improper by authorities."

In response to those rather enlightened statements, the head of the clerical establishment in the Majles, Mohammad Taghi Rahbar, lambasted Ahamdinejad. "Those who voted for you were the fully veiled people," Rahbar said. "The badly veiled 'greens' did not vote for you, so you'd better consider that what pleases God is not pleasing a number of corrupt people." The ultra-conservative head of the Guardian Council, Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, also weighed in on Ahmadinejad's criticism of the morality police. "Drug traffickers are hanged, terrorists are executed and robbers are punished for their crimes, but when it comes to the law of God, which is above human rights, [some individuals] stay put and speak about cultural programs."

Ayatollah Jannati's comments reflect the growing rift between the president and the country's religious establishment, perhaps best exemplified by Ahamdinejad's unprecedented decision to stop attending meetings of the Expediency Council, whose members represent the interests of Iran's clerical elite. Ahamdinejad later questioned the very concept of clerical rule in Iran, raising controversy in Tehran and drawing the ire of the powerful religious establishment. "Administering the country should not be left to the [Supreme] Leader, the religious scholars, and other [clerics]," Ahmadinejad declared, lampooning his religious rivals for "running to Qum [the religious capital of Iran] for every instruction."

Ahmadinejad's brazen opinions were echoed by his closest adviser and chief of staff, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei. "An Islamic government is not capable of running a vast and populous country like Iran," Mashaei said. "Running a country is like a horse race, but the problem is that [the clergy] are not horse racers."

Bear in mind that advancing such anti-regime, anti-clerical views can be considered a criminal offense in Iran, one potentially punishable by death. And yet, they seem to be part of a larger push by Ahmadinejad and his circle to change the nature of the Islamic Republic. Indeed, Ahmadinejad seems to be actively pursuing what Meshaei has termed "an Iranian school of thought rather than the Islamic school of thought" for Iran, one that harkens back to Iran's ancient Persian heritage, drawing particular inspiration from Iran's ancient king, Cyrus the Great.

While many Iranians - particularly among the supporters of Ahmadinejad's 2009 presidential rival, Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who frequently used ancient Persian imagery during the campaign - share precisely the same view, the country's conservatives and the religious establishment most definitely do not. "The president should be aware that he is obligated to promote Islam and not ancient Iran," cried one member of Parliament, "and if he fails to fulfill his obligation, he will lose the support and trust of the Muslim nation of Iran."

Even Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor, Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, criticized the notion of emphasizing Iran's Persian past, condemning those who support such a view as being "not our comrades; we have no permanent friendship to anyone, but to those who are following Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi said. "Did Imam Khomeini ever refrain from mentioning Islam in a speech and say Iran instead?"

It might seem shocking to both casual and dedicated Iran-watcher that the bombastic Ahmadinejad could, behind Tehran's closed doors, be playing the reformer. After all, this was the man who, in 2005, generated wide outrage in the West for suggesting that Israel should be "wiped from the map." But even that case said as much about our limited understanding of him and his context as it did about Ahmadinejad himself. The expression "wipe from the map" means "destroy" in English but not in Farsi. In Farsi, it means not that Israel should be eliminated but that the existing political borders should literally be wiped from a literal map and replaced with those of historic Palestine. That's still not something likely to win him cheers in U.S. policy circles, but the distinction, which has been largely lost from the West's understanding of the Iranian president, is important.

As always, both Ahmadinejad the man and the Iranian government he ostensibly leads resist easy characterization. The truth is that the opaque nature of Iran's government and the country's deeply fractured political system make it difficult to draw any clear or simple conclusions. It's not obvious whether Ahmadinejad is driven by a legitimate desire for reform or just tactical political interests. But if you oppose the Mullahs' rule, yearn for greater social and political freedoms for the Iranian people, and envision an Iran that draws inspiration from the glories of its Persian past, then, believe it or not, you have more in common with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than you might have thought.


A bit from a cable:

Here is the full description of the incident from the cable:

2. (S) According to source, President Ahmedinejad surprised other SNSC members by taking a surprisingly liberal posture during a mid January post-Ashura meeting of the SNSC called to discuss next steps on dealing with opposition protests. Source said that Ahmedinejad claimed that “people feel suffocated,” and mused that to defuse the situation it may be necessary to allow more personal and social freedoms, including more freedom of the press.

3. (S) According to source, Ahmedinejad’s statements infuriated Revolutionary Guard Chief of Staff Mohammed Ali Jafari, who exclaimed “You are wrong! (In fact) it is YOU who created this mess! And now you say give more freedom to the press?!” Source said that Jafarli then slapped Ahmedinejad in the face, causing an uproar and an immediate call for a break in the meeting, which was never resumed. Source said that SNSC did not meet again for another two weeks, after Ayatollah Janati succesfully acted as a “peacemaker” between Jafarli and Ahmedinejad. Source added that the break in the SNSC meeting, but not the slap that caused it, has made its way on to some Iranian blogs.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/ahmadinejad-was-slapped-by-general-leaked-cable-says/
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Re: "Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:00 pm

Forgive me Elvis. I've cross-posted this twice, once to the WIKI! cable stories aggregate thread, and a second time to the Iran coup thread (since that's a hell of a collection).
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Re: "Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:45 pm

As soon as Iran stops hanging people for being gay, and circumventing so many rights...I'll start considering them on the side of good.
Though it feels like Ahmadinejad is just simply reading from his portion of the script...
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Re: "Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby Elvis » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:56 pm

Jack, thanks, I think it's worth posting in both places.

8bit, I appreciate your take, but I think that real internal politics do exist in Iran, and this cable is probably a much more accurate reflection of it than what we (in the US anyway) usually hear, and reflects an important difference between the reality and the vilification hype (and this tends to show the neocon line as hype).
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Re: "Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby Simulist » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:15 pm

I agree with Elvis.

The only windows most people have into the world beyond the range of their own two eyeballs are, essentially, the windows powered by the Western media establishment. There can be no doubt by now that, collectively, such views are an illusionist's trick.

One of the major clues to me that this Western worldview — with regards to Ahmadinejad, specifically — is hopelessly out of focus was an Associated Press story several years ago that blatantly misquoted the Iranian president concerning a remark about Israel. Western "journalists" in several different countries ran with this misinformation, and none of them questioned it, even though the world was abuzz with the "evil" words of Ahmadinejad.

No honest journalists would or could have permitted such a fouled up translation to appear in their publications without comment — and on such a key matter — without a deliberate intent to deceive, in my opinion.

And I haven't trusted any of those "mainstream" sources ever since, nor am I likely to start.
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Re: "Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:03 pm

Yeah 8bit, its a fair criticism you've made, they kill pagans and witches there to.

But .. in america cops shoot people on the street.

In Australia there have been a number of young people who have spent time in Iran with the young people there and the Islamic govt is a parasite on the place. It would be a lot easier to criticise them tho if the geo politics of the situation weren't so polarised.

Although people are callng the "twitter revolution" a fake, there are plenty of ordinary people in Iran who have had enough if i understand it correctly.

So i guess its just like everywhere else in that regard.
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Re: "Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:21 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:Yeah 8bit, its a fair criticism you've made, they kill pagans and witches there to.

But .. in america cops shoot people on the street.

In Australia there have been a number of young people who have spent time in Iran with the young people there and the Islamic govt is a parasite on the place. It would be a lot easier to criticise them tho if the geo politics of the situation weren't so polarised.

Although people are callng the "twitter revolution" a fake, there are plenty of ordinary people in Iran who have had enough if i understand it correctly.

So i guess its just like everywhere else in that regard.



Oh I know, and I will say Iran is one of the more "Westernized" countries in the Islamic world. I feel truly bad for people living in Russia puppeteered Chechnya, Saudi Arabia, etc.

There's a wonderful newer Iranian indie film called "The Truth About Persian Cats" about these Iranian youth and their indie rock band straddling between a hipster culture and the throwback of religious and cultural conservatism.

I do have to realize a lot of these institutionalized things we may dislike in some Islamic nations are more cultural than they are government ran(like fgm in Egypt) or some of the honor killings(in Pakistan, but also in India) I do feel that whole Bolton/Cheney era of demonizing Iran to the point of provoking a war has passed...at least to the degree it had gotten to in 2006 and 2007 under Bush.
Compared to say, North Korea, Ahmadinejad's government is a saint. And while the media portrayed the former administration in Iran as more moderate(forget who he was, he had glasses if I recall),
I do feel Iran and Ahmadinejad has the right to be paranoid.

See...what was it, a few weeks ago the cover of Newsweek said "Target Iran", pretty much detailing all the deaths and covert action Israel is bringing to Iran. Add to that the CIA backed MEK and Jundullah groups, and yeah, they have a right to be a bit paranoid. I would not be surprised if Ahmadinejad is trying to finagle some more democratic and personal freedoms/moderation to the table.
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Re: "Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?" - cables tell story

Postby freemason9 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:09 pm

Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?

By Reza Aslan Jan 13 2011, 7:30 AM ET

Is it possible that Iran's blustering president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, long thought to be a leading force behind some of Iran's most hard-line and repressive policies, is actually a reformer whose attempts to liberalize, secularize, and even "Persianize" Iran have been repeatedly stymied by the country's more conservative factions?


You know, this was old news five years ago--before the ascendancy of the current right wingedness in our media and government, that is. I'm sort of surprised to see this reminder.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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