People power forces change in Tunisia

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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby lupercal » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:52 am

AlicetheKurious wrote:Deprived of political leadership the people relied on themselves.

Theoretically perhaps but who specifically? I just don't think without a seasoned leader and an organization the situation would escalate to a successful coup in the space of a month unless there was, as it's politely referred to, foreign influence. And there is. Apart from the ever-present CIA which is as loyal to its friends as any other jackal Sarkozy is the biggest spook of them all and sure enough he's on this one like, well you know:
The French government called on Tunisia to hold free elections as soon as possible and said it had taken steps "to ensure suspicious financial movements concerning Tunisian assets in France are blocked administratively," President Nicolas Sarkozy's office said in a statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7 ... me=topNews

And then there's all that strange malevolence from the Tunisian security forces which started the whole thing and are keeping it going:
Gunmen fired at random from cars in Tunis on Saturday and inmates staged a mass jailbreak while leaders tried to prevent Tunisia from descending into chaos after the president was swept from power. It was not clear who the assailants were but a senior military source told Reuters that people affiliated to Ben Ali were behind the shootings. (same as above)

Why would Ben Ali, desperate to maintain credibility, instruct his forces to step up the random violence? He wouldn't, but the CIA would, and do with depressing regularity. This is a very old script, so old you'd think people would wise up, but they never do. And finally there's that whole Facebook-Twitter-Wikileaks angle which basically screams CIA:
As during Iran’s Green Revolution, the primary function of social media has been to get around the government’s iron grip on information flows. International media can pull the information from sites like Àli’s, then broadcasts it back into Tunisia via satellite TV, a process in which Al Jazeera in particular has played a critical role. Social media, along with SMS and traditional word-of-mouth, has also been an important tool to coordinate the grassroots protests which don’t really have any leaders yet. There is no political party or unifying figure behind the demonstrations, which were going on for almost a month before people outside the country started to take note.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... evolution/

This from the Daily Beast which is pretty spooky itself but then what US media aren't. I don't buy the story of a lovely spontaneous coup coordinated without any leadership but Twitter. As much as I'd like to believe freedom is really on the march, I don't think it is, except in the hollowed out form of a CIA simulacrum.
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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby lupercal » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:34 am

Do I detect a pattern?

Jan. 07, 2011:
And when that regime does fall, what happens next will be significant throughout the Arab world. If Tunisia can move toward democracy, Algerians and Egyptians and even Libyans will wonder why they cannot. This kind of thing may catch on. In fact, in Algeria it may already be catching on.

-- Elliot Abrams, Council on Foreign Relations, http://blogs.cfr.org/abrams/2011/01/07/is-tunisia-next/

Jan. 16, 2011:
ALGIERS (Reuters) - A man has died after setting himself on fire at a government building in Algeria, state radio reported on Sunday, echoing the self-immolation that triggered the protests that toppled the leader of neighbouring Tunisia.

Mohsen Bouterfif doused himself in gasoline and set himself on fire on Thursday after a meeting with the mayor of the small city of Boukhadra who was unable to provide him a job and a house, the daily El Khabar newspaper said. He died on Saturday of his burns.

About 100 young men protested over Mohsen's death in the town, in Tebessa province, 700 km east of Algiers. The governor of the province sacked the mayor, El Khabar said.

Several Algerian towns, including the capital Algiers, have experienced riots in recent weeks over unemployment and a sharp rise in the prices of food staples.

Official sources say two people have been killed and scores were injured during the unrest, which unfolded in parallel to street violence in Tunisia and demonstrations over high food prices in other North African and Middle Eastern countries.

--"Algerian dies in self-immolation, echoing Tunisia," Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:43pm GMT, http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... UL20110116

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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby lupercal » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:52 am

stefano wrote:As for fake protesters, did you notice how the fake protesters in Iran carried signs in English? Look at photos from Tunisia again.


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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:20 pm

lupercal wrote:
AlicetheKurious wrote:Deprived of political leadership the people relied on themselves.

Theoretically perhaps but who specifically? I just don't think without a seasoned leader and an organization the situation would escalate to a successful coup in the space of a month unless there was, as it's politely referred to, foreign influence.


No. No "foreign influence" -- just millions of ordinary Tunisians. Who specifically? The estimated 90 Tunisian citizens who were shot and killed by the dictator's snipers; the hundreds who have been beaten and tortured and tear-gassed and shot at, and the millions who defied the brutality of the regime and kept pouring out into the streets week after deadly week -- not in one city, not in one region, but all across Tunisia. There were signs in Arabic, signs in English, signs in French, most of them hand-made, and Tunisians were filming everything with their cell-phones because they wanted the world to know what was happening in their country, even though Ben Ali had forbidden any news coverage or filming of the demonstrations and it was illegal for Tunisians to blog or twitter or access Facebook or post videos on Youtube.

lupercal wrote:Apart from the ever-present CIA which is as loyal to its friends as any other jackal Sarkozy is the biggest spook of them all and sure enough he's on this one like, well you know:
The French government called on Tunisia to hold free elections as soon as possible and said it had taken steps "to ensure suspicious financial movements concerning Tunisian assets in France are blocked administratively," President Nicolas Sarkozy's office said in a statement.


Sarkozy did not utter a peep during several weeks of demonstrations, even after dozens of people were shot and the Ben Ali regime forbade foreign journalists from filming inside the country. His only contribution was to offer Ben Ali the use of French police forces to supplement the Tunisian regimes', a stupid offer even Ben Ali couldn't accept, from stupid Sarkozy.

Likewise, despite the frantic reports coming out of Tunisia, the Western press was utterly silent, until only a couple of days before Ben Ali fled the country. In contrast, millions of ordinary people all over the Arab world were closely following the news and sending each other messages and video clips and photos taken by ordinary Tunisians using their cell-phone cameras weeks before the Western media even took notice. Concerning Sarkozy's sudden abandonment of his close friend Zein el Abidine Ben Ali, Sarkozy's just being a typical Western imperialist who supports client dictators as long as they're useful and then discards them like used kleenexes when they're all used up, before hopefully seeking to coopt the next potential dictator.

lupercal wrote:And then there's all that strange malevolence from the Tunisian security forces which started the whole thing and are keeping it going:
Gunmen fired at random from cars in Tunis on Saturday and inmates staged a mass jailbreak while leaders tried to prevent Tunisia from descending into chaos after the president was swept from power. It was not clear who the assailants were but a senior military source told Reuters that people affiliated to Ben Ali were behind the shootings. (same as above)

Why would Ben Ali, desperate to maintain credibility, instruct his forces to step up the random violence? He wouldn't, but the CIA would, and do with depressing regularity. This is a very old script, so old you'd think people would wise up, but they never do.


I don't know about the CIA, but there have been furious gun battles during the past couple of days between the regime militias, mainly former security forces, including dozens of Ben Ali's personal bodyguards, and the Tunisian army. The head of presidential security, Ali al-Seriaty has been arrested after a big shoot-out between his men and the army, as has the former Minister of the Interior. It is rumored that Emad al-Trabulsi, the brother of the Ben Ali's wife Leila al-Trabulsi, has been killed in another gun battle with the army. Ordinary Tunisian people have looted their homes and their businesses. You have to understand that the hated Trabulsis operated like mafia gangsters who used brute force and their association with the president to enrich themselves obscenely at the expense of the Tunisian people. They clearly are not willing to give up their power and properties without a fight. So this is like a mini civil war between the desperate vestiges of the regime on one side and the army and the people on the other. Thank God most of the the former have already left the country or been arrested and according to the news, things are much, much calmer now. Ordinary citizens have organized themselves into civil defense units to protect their neighborhoods and so far they and the army seem to have got things under control.

lupercal wrote:And finally there's that whole Facebook-Twitter-Wikileaks angle which basically screams CIA:
As during Iran’s Green Revolution, the primary function of social media has been to get around the government’s iron grip on information flows. International media can pull the information from sites like Àli’s, then broadcasts it back into Tunisia via satellite TV, a process in which Al Jazeera in particular has played a critical role. Social media, along with SMS and traditional word-of-mouth, has also been an important tool to coordinate the grassroots protests which don’t really have any leaders yet. There is no political party or unifying figure behind the demonstrations, which were going on for almost a month before people outside the country started to take note.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... evolution/

This from the Daily Beast which is pretty spooky itself but then what US media aren't. I don't buy the story of a lovely spontaneous coup coordinated without any leadership but Twitter. As much as I'd like to believe freedom is really on the march, I don't think it is, except in the hollowed out form of a CIA simulacrum.


Not quite. Twitter and Facebook were both blocked by the regime inside Tunisia, so the Tunisian people were forced to find other ways to get the message out, and although grassroots activists in countries like Egypt did use both, their message was systematically ignored by the Western media (as well as state media in neighboring countries like Egypt). In fact, Facebook was busily taking down Facebook accounts critical of the Ben Ali regime; that screams "CIA" alright. Lupercal, the Western governments, the Western media and "social networking" sites like Facebook were complicit in trying to hide what was going on in Tunisia, presumably until the Ben Ali regime finished cracking down on dissent and things could get back to "normal." (Incidentally, Youtube is playing a similar role right now, with videos that expose the extent of deep and widespread grassroots opposition to the Egyptian regime; but that's another subject.)

Right now I'm watching massive, passionate demonstrations in solidarity with the Tunisian people across the region from Yemen to Gaza. Egyptians and other Arabs are fervently hoping that they too will one day find the courage and the unity to follow the Tunisian example. The Tunisian regime was considered by the US and France and imperialist tools like the IMF as a model developing country, but here in the Middle East it was known as the most politically repressive state, second only to Saudi Arabia. Nobody imagined that the uber-dictator "strongman" Ben Ali, with his powerful and brutal security apparatus, could ever be overthrown. The Egyptian regime is terrified, as are all Ben Ali's other clones including, notably, Ali Abdullah Saleh and Muammar Qaddafi, as well as the Jordanian King Abdullah. Israel is very worried (as it should be) and Netanyahu has called a special cabinet meeting to discuss how they will cope with the Tunisian revolution and its regional consequences. Elliott Abrams' hypocritical posturings on his blog are one thing, Shaul Mofaz' assessment for Israeli internal consumption is another, and the latter is far more credible and accurate.

You say they're all wrong and this is a CIA plot, because ordinary people don't really rise up all by themselves to overthrow their oppressors, ever. You're wrong. They did. And if Elliott Abrams is right about one thing it's this: it's only the beginning, God willing.

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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:58 pm

lupercal wrote:Do I detect a pattern?

Jan. 16, 2011:
ALGIERS (Reuters) - A man has died after setting himself on fire at a government building in Algeria, state radio reported on Sunday, echoing the self-immolation that triggered the protests that toppled the leader of neighbouring Tunisia....

hmm..


Funny you should mention that. I happen to be watching a current affairs show on an independent Egyptian tv channel, discussing the events in Tunisia. One caller just said that he's a public school teacher whose salary does not begin to cover the basic necessities of life and that he would set himself on fire immediately if he had any hope that it could lead to an uprising like the one in Tunisia. Those who did set themselves on fire in Algeria didn't start an intifada, but they did lead the Algerian regime to urgently lower prices for essential goods. In Egypt in 1977, there actually was a huge uprising, and Sadat did the same thing, but "the intifada of the thieves", as Sadat dubbed it, was limited to the poor and things are so much worse now for everybody but a very small sector, and people's economic suffering is only one item in a long list of deep and festering grievances.

Until a few days ago, a video was circulating widely on Youtube (it's been taken down) of a girl, maybe in her early 20s, leading a demonstration in Cairo, surrounded by armed security forces, in which she shouted anti-regime slogans that prompted my husband to remark that there is zero chance that she is alive today. He's almost certainly right. The prisons and the notorious police stations are filled with individuals who knew that they would be beaten (sometimes to death) for speaking out and demanding their freedom, and yet they still do. Despite the incredible brutality of the regime's security force, their numbers are growing. This regime is so isolated and paranoid and reliant on outside powers that it is incapable of responding to people's demands other than by either cracking heads or throwing insulting crumbs at them, and thus creates more enemies with every passing day. One day, seemingly out of the blue, maybe provoked by a relatively minor incident, it will reach a tipping point and the barrier of fear that keeps the rest of us quiet will dissolve, like it did in Tunisia.
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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:21 am

Tunisia's protests spark suicide in Algeria and fears through Arab world
Man burns to death in Algeria in echo of man's death that began Tunisian protests while Arab states are nervous

Ian Black Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 16 January 2011 20.45 GMT

Tunisia's "jasmine revolution" sent new shockwaves across north Africa today, with a copycat suicide protest reported in Algeria and official dismay in Libya.

Politicians met amid sporadic violence in Tunis to agree the formation of a new government. Maya Jribi, secretary-general of the opposition Progressive Democratic party, told the AFP news agency that an interim government, to be announced tomorrow, would include her party, Ettajdid (Renaissance), and the Democratic Front for Labour and Freedoms, as well as independent figures. Agreement was reportedly reached after talks between the parties and Mohamed Ghannouchi, prime minister under the deposed dictator Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali.

The European Pressphoto Agency announced the death of French photographer Lucas Mebrouk Dolega, 32, who was hit in the head by a police teargas canister on Friday. Up to 200 people are estimated to have been killed since the unrest began last month, including 42 prisoners who died in a fire on Saturday.

Earlier, Libya's Muammar Gaddafi expressed his "pain" that Ben Ali, who fled to Saudi Arabia on Friday, had not been allowed to step down in his own time, as he had belatedly offered – reflecting nervousness among other autocratic Arab leaders of a ripple effect that could embolden opposition forces across the region.

"You have suffered a great loss," Gaddafi, now in power for 41 years, said in a speech on state radio and TV. "There is none better than Zine to govern Tunisia. Tunisia now lives in fear."


Echoes of the unrest were also heard from Algeria, where a man burned himself to death in an apparent copycat suicide that echoed the young Tunisian Mohamed Bouazizi, whose death sparked off the trouble in mid-December.

Algeria's El Khabar newspaper reported that Mohsen Bouterfif set himself alight last Thursday after failing to find a job and a house. Riots erupted after he died of his burns on Saturday. A second, failed, attempted suicide by self-immolation was reported from Mostaganem, according to El Watan. In the past few weeks, Algerian towns have seen rioting over unemployment and a sharp rise in food prices. Two people were killed and scores injured during unrest which unfolded in parallel to the violence in Tunisia.

Analysts say the big question is whether Ben Ali's departure will now be followed by real regime change that brings divided opposition parties into power. "The fear is that the country's democratic transition will be a painful one," wrote Hacen Ouali in El-Watan.

Newspapers and comment across the Middle East focused on the lessons of Tunisia's drama for other countries. Terse statements from Egypt and several other Arab governments spoke of respecting the will of the Tunisian people. Saudi Arabia defended its much-criticised decision to take in Ben Ali, who is now with his family in a heavily guarded palace in Jeddah.

Egypt, Jordan, Algeria and Morocco are seen as the other countries most likely to face serious popular unrest over unemployment, corruption and hopelessness, though social, political and economic conditions vary considerably between them.

Arab opposition forces continued to hail Ben Ali's fall. The Beirut newspaper al-Akhbar saluted "the gift from Tunisia to Arabs: the end of a dictator" while Lebanon's Hezbollah urged Arab leaders to learn from the Tunisian protests.

In Syria, where the Bashar al-Assad regime is just as repressive, the pro-government daily al-Watan said events in Tunisia were "a lesson that no Arab regime should ignore, especially those following Tunisia's political approach of relying on 'friends' to protect them".

The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas warned that the leadership of its PLO rival in the West Bank was likely to meet the same fate as Ben Ali.

"Mahmoud Abbas and his sons are among the wealthiest Palestinians," it said. "Fatah leaders are very corrupt. All indications are that the residents of the West Bank, who live under a tyrannical regime, are close to toppling the regime there."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ja ... geria-arab

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Deposed Tunisian President Ben Ali Said To Have Fled Country With 1.5 Tons Of Gold
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/16/2011 17:10 -0500


Not shares of AAPL, not freeze dried MREs, not shotguns shells, not even €45 million European pieces of linen in a suitcase... Gold. And one wonders why all the physical silver and gold is slowly but surely disappearing from the distributors: someone should really check the cargo hold of Lloyd's, Jamie's and Vikram's G-6 planes...and of course the extra cargo holds in the private helicopter squadron of that "other" Ben, elsewhere now known lovingly with the adjective of Blackhawk (f/k/a Helicopter).


From Le Monde (Google translated):

The family of ousted President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali of Tunisia would have fled with 1.5 tons of gold. It is an assumption of the French secret services, who try to understand how the day ended on Friday 14 January, which saw the departure of President and his family and the downfall of his regime.

According to information gathered in Tunis, Leila Trabelsi , the president's wife allegedly went to the Bank of Tunisia to look for gold bars. The governor refused. M me Ben Ali had called her husband, who had also initially refused, then surrendered. She then flew to Dubai, according to French news before leaving for Jeddah. "It seems that the wife of Ben Ali is a party with gold" , said a senior French official. "1.5 tonnes gold, that makes 45 million euros" , translated source.

Mr. Ben Ali, he does not believe his fall as fast. For proof, according to Paris, he recorded a new speech, which has not had time to appear. He would not leave the country voluntarily but would have been impeached. The army and the chief of staff who refused to fire on the crowd, have, according to European intelligence services played a leading role in the removal of Mr. Ben Ali.


It seems at least one person was smart enough to take heed in the Fed's just declassified records on what the surging price of gold means for food price inflation... and for popular revolutions derived therefrom.

The mode of departure of Mr. Ben Ali has also uncertainties. He seems to have found in the airspace of Malta, without a flight plan determined, stating that he did not, in his hasty departure from Tunisia, a precise destination. An Italian source said that the aircraft would not receive permission to land on the island. According to another hypothesis, the deposed president had left by helicopter for Tunis Malta, where he recovered his plane.


At least we now know that following the upcoming banking kleptocracy's exodus from the US, Malta may well be the newest destination location for every stripper in a 50 miles radius of Manhattan.

And like that Tunisia's official gold holdings (as per the WGC) are down by 23%:

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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby lupercal » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:43 am

^ Yeah right, and Arafat died with billions stashed in secret Swiss bank accounts, which were mysteriously never mentioned again once the funeral was over. I have no doubt that disgusting spook Sarkozy is up to his eyeballs in this and if there was ever a kleptocrat it's him and his perplexed secret service.

Anyway Alice I was just getting on to say that as much as I know you don't want to hear this, it sounds from what you're reporting here and in the church bombing thread that Egypt has also been targeted for destabilization and possible regime change, which accords with Elliot Abram's "prediction" upthread. And as much as that might sound desirable in prospect I doubt very much whether you'll like what you see when the dust settles. Anyway please be extra careful in days ahead and keep us informed as your reports here are always riveting.
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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:36 am

lupercal wrote:^ Yeah right...


Hil Kaiser! to you too, you lickspittle you.

have some freedom fries cooked on burning flesh and human fat why don't you.

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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby lupercal » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:55 am

^ you should stick to the subject of usury because you don't make much sense when you stray from it and even then it's a challenge.
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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:03 am

Why you shouldn't call it the "Jasmine Revolution"
By Issandr El Amrani
Monday, January 17, 2011 at 3:08AM


It's not exactly the most important thing about what's going in Tunisia right now, but on Twitter and elsewhere you see a lot of people complaining about media reporting on Tunisia describing the recent events there as a "Twitter Revolution" or even a "Wikipedia revolution" — it just really seems to make people angry. I don't think these are accurate terms, but I am more concerned — as are many Tunisians — about the enthusiasm for the name "Jasmine Revolution," which has become ubiquitous in much of the international media.

There are several reasons this term should not be used. There's nothing wrong in flower revolutions in themselves — the term derives from the very honorable end of the fascist regime in Portugal on 25 April 1974, dubbed the Carnation Revolution. But it unfortunately echoes more recent divisive terms, notably Lebanon's 2005 Cedar Revolution, which is associated with March 14 and US propaganda by a good part of Arab (and other) opinion. Personally, I loved the Syrian pullout out of Lebanon (and its alternative name, more common in Arabic, "Independence Intifada") — but, at the same time, so much spin was put on what was not really a revolution anyway. The term is now poisoned with Lebanon's divisive politics.

Furthermore, in Lebanon — as in Georgia's Revolution of the Roses and Ukraine's Orange Revolution —you also had events that, as positive as they may have been, are closely intertwined with Bush administration policies, making the flower revolution concept even more divisive. What I'm hearing from Tunisians these days is, "don't you go branding our revolution." For me, that's reason enough to stay away from the term.

But there's another reason to stay away from "Jasmine Revolution." It was the term that deposed President Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali used in 1987 to describe his own takeover, in those initial years of his reign that offered some hope for a democratic transition. To reuse Ben Ali's propaganda phrase at this point seems perverse — whereas something like the Sidi Bouzid Revolution, marking ground zero of the movement that led to the dictator's downfall, seems so much more appropriate.

Update: Qifa Nakbi points out that Josh Landis used the term Jasmine Revolution to describe moves towards reform in Syria in 2005. Link


In other news: there are huge demonstrations going on across Jordan right now, demanding economic and political rights for the Jordanian citizens. The role of "official" opposition parties and movements is negligible. Security forces are present but have not intervened.

In other news: Al Jazeera Arabic is reporting that a young Egyptian man set himself on fire in front of the Egyptian Parliament this morning and has been taken to hospital. No details yet.

On Edit: the young Egyptian man who set himself on fire was shouting against the regime's security forces.

lupercal wrote:Anyway Alice I was just getting on to say that as much as I know you don't want to hear this, it sounds from what you're reporting here and in the church bombing thread that Egypt has also been targeted for destabilization and possible regime change, which accords with Elliot Abram's "prediction" upthread. And as much as that might sound desirable in prospect I doubt very much whether you'll like what you see when the dust settles.


I agree with you there: Egypt is definitely in the cross-hairs, and I am very wary of who is being set up to replace our increasingly incapacitated president. I think the regime badly overplayed its hand in the recent parliamentary elections (fueled by desperation, perhaps?) which exposed a number of leading "opposition" figures as sock-puppets of the regime. A large number of journalists (including "opposition" journalists) and well-known writers and political analysts have been exposed as or are widely suspected of being agents of the regime, the CIA and/or the Mossad.

If there's one good thing that's come out of all the underhanded shenanigans that have been going on in the Middle East over the past decade, it's that the people have become a lot more street-smart and skeptical and resistant to manipulation.

We had a delicious taste of what is possible in the aftermath of the Alexandria church bombing, when the people of Egypt united in a way that hasn't been seen since the heady 1950s and 60s. One lesson of that experience is that, when the rubber hit the road, all the usual suspects: the regime, the opposition (including the Muslim Brotherhood) and the media were almost comically taken by surprise and proved just how out of touch they are with the radical transformations that have been going on at the grassroots level, especially among the young.

While the elites were busy talking to each other, the young were bypassing all the normal channels and communicating in non-traditional ways across the country and beyond, with their counterparts in other Arab countries and even further. This new generation is very dynamic, internationalized, very brave, surprisingly sophisticated in its understanding of the world and motivated not only by individualistic or sectarian or even narrow nationalist motives, but by wider issues of justice and human rights and freedom. It cuts across class and sectarian and urban/rural lines and uses the internet and cell-phones to coordinate collective actions, but it is everywhere in the street, an organic and indistinguishable part of the masses. Above all, it's decentralized, with no particular leader and is thus almost impossible to neutralize. Yet its demands are coherent and consistent: a government that respects and defends human rights; an end to corruption and cronyism, and one standard of justice for all; the right to elect a government that represents its own people and does not take orders from foreign powers; the use of national resources to promote high-quality education, health-care, create productive employment and decent housing for the poor. Its slogans are "freedom" and karama, which can be translated as human dignity or pride.

It must have been evolving quietly, under the radar, for years, but it's only now beginning to show its face. Here in Egypt it literally burst into the open two weeks ago, shocking people with its power, but since then it has quietly blended back into the woodwork, from where it has been monitoring and directly communicating with its counterparts in neighboring countries and elsewhere. It is organically linked with the people of Tunisia, with whom it identifies, and is watching developments in Tunisia very carefully to learn from their experience. It is biding its time.
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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:08 am

U.S. Had Helo Deal With Ousted Tunisian Dictator

By Spencer Ackerman January 14, 2011 | 3:10 pm | Categories: Gadgets and Gear

Check out the #sidibouzid Twitter hashtag and you’ll see real-time updates from a popular coup in Tunisia that’s ousted the kleptocratic dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali. Months of unrest over unemployment and rising food prices — pushed along by WikiLeaked disclosures — forced Ben Ali to flee to Paris. As it turned out, the Obama administration tried last year to give him what would amount to a parting gift: $282 million worth of upgrades to Ben Ali’s helicopter fleet.

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency — which handles military hardware sales to U.S. allies — informed Congress on June 30 that it wanted to send “equipment, parts, training and logistical support” to Tunisia for 12 SH-60F Sikorsky-made multimission helicopters.

It’s a twin-engine ‘copter used — as the name suggests — for attacking targets as well as airlift. The Navy uses them as the Seahawk. Tunisia’s military supposedly was to use the SH-60s for “over-water search and rescue capabilities.”

It’s unclear if the deal ever actually went through. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency didn’t return a request for clarification. (We’ll update if and when representatives do.) But our pals at War Is Business report that since Ben Ali came to power in 1987, U.S. military assistance to him has totaled $349 million — meaning the SH-60 sale represented a massive escalation in aid.

How come? “This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been and continues to be an important force for economic and military progress in North Africa,” the agency said in a statement. Not quite Jimmy Carter’s “island of stability” speech to the Shah of Iran, but still.

For a good English-language primer on the forces that kicked Ben Ali out of Tunisia, Nick Baumann at Mother Jones is your man. One of the more interesting subplots to the coup is the role that WikiLeaks played by putting out State Department cables highlighting the dictator’s corruption.

In one account, a diplomat recounts a second-hand tale of a “very uneducated” Ben Ali demanding “a 50-50 stake” for himself in a government business venture. The Tunileaks site fanned Tunisians’ already-existing state of unrest.

WikiLeaks provided a lot of kindling. “Given Ben Ali’s reputation as a stalwart U.S. ally, it mattered greatly to many Tunisians — particularly to politically engaged Tunisians who are plugged into social media — that American officials are saying the same things about Ben Ali that they themselves say about him,” political scientist Christopher Alexander judged about the WikiLeaks Tunisia revelations. “These revelations contributed to an environment that was ripe for a wave of protest that gathered broad support.”

Military sales like the ones represented in the desired helicopter deal are part of a long trend in U.S. foreign policy: betting on dictators to provide an illusory stability. What will the U.S. say to its friends in the Tunisian army, who are essentially in charge (for now)?

The Brookings Institution’s Shadi Hamid tweets, “US needs to put pressure on #Tunisia military to plan for free elections & pledge not to hold on to power.” The U.S. is “at risk of falling on wrong side of history,” he tweeted earlier.

“Time to get on the right side.”

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Postby stefano » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:13 am

lupercal - the problem here is that after you found out that a lot of uprisings are CIA plots, you developed a need never to be taken for a fool again and now believe that all uprisings are CIA plots. This belief precedes your analysis of something that happens in Tunisia, so then after the fact you run to any source that takes the same view, even a total amateur like aangirfan, and nothing Alice or I or anyone on the ground can say will change your mind. It's a depressing view and I think a sign of a hopeless disposition, to think that ordinary people with courage cannot cause change. To think everything you read in the newspaper is a lie is just as uncritical as to believe that everything you read in the newspaper is true.

Okay, so a few protesters carried signs in English, on Friday in Tunis, after the international camera crews rocked up. Everything that happened in December was wholly internal. Are you still clinging to the bibs and haircuts as evidence? The bibs were worn by some students at one protest where Sky happened to have a photographer, no-one at the massive march on Friday wore them. Besides, do you think they were going to call it the Yellow-blue-pink-and-fluorescent-orange revolution? Short haircuts are the fashion, here's a pic of the Tunisian football team. You can decide whether it's infiltrated by five narcs or whether some guys just like to cut their hair that way.

lupercal wrote:Why would Ben Ali, desperate to maintain credibility, instruct his forces to step up the random violence? He wouldn't, but the CIA would, and do
First you say the protesters are CIA, now it's the loyalists? Or are they manipulating everything? These are party loyalists, bullies faced with the end of their careers and all the petty privileges they enjoyed all their lives. Of course they'll make a last desperate fight to hang on to their little fiefdoms. But they're up against the army and losing fast.

And what you think about the three young men who committed public suicide - are they MK Ultra assets? Programmed under the nose of Ben Ali's security police to help spark a later uprising against his regime?

AliceTheKurious wrote:You have to remember that the Tunisian people fought heroically to get rid of the French colonialists, and the country's first president after liberation in 1956 was the revolutionary nationalist Habib Bourguiba, who promised a new era of freedom and independence for the Tunisian people. Instead, he turned into an oppressive dictator who ruled with an iron fist for 30 years (and was a great friend of the US during all that time).
I have a lot of respect for the memory of Bourguiba, to be honest. He picked the US's side because he basically had to pick a side, and he couldn't adopt a communist framework like Algeria or Libya because he didn't have the natural resources to pay for it. It's thanks to him and his idea that the Tunisian struggle had to be an economic one that a small country with few natural resources achieved among the best living standards in Africa. It wasn't some kind of capitalist hell-hole: he instituted state pensions, disability pensions, an initiative for housing for all, free education, paid leave, short hours in summer... He also did great things for womens' rights: women in Tunisia voted in the first elections in 1957, long before women in Swizerland or Portugal, and abortion was legal in Tunisia before it was legal in France. He's well remembered. My old landlady in Tunis adored him, despite being a full-on left-winger; she used to say "He was a dictator too, but he had class."

AliceTheKurious wrote:he was sent packing by his Prime Minister Zein el Abidine Bin Ali, who in turn promised a new era of freedom and independence for the Tunisian people. Maybe at first he even meant it, but it didn't take long for him to turn into an equally oppressive and corrupt dictator
What's interesting about Ben Ali is the influence of Leila Trabelsi, who almost uncannily played the Lady to his Macbeth. She was a hairdresser from the wrong side of the tracks; for all this time no TV show or play or film in Tunisia could have a character of a hairdresser and Ben Ali's jet-black hair was a favourite punchline for whispered jokes. She seduced him away from his wife while he was in the cabinet and had a big part in his decision to oust Bourguiba. Then she pressured him to help out her gangster brothers who got an increasingly large size of everything: tenders, import licences, even shares of publicly traded companies that had to be given them for free. They used to drive around in big black Mercs without number plates. But three years ago one of his daughters by his first wife married Sakher al-Materi. His family is old money and has been prominent in business for ages. He then became the blue-eyed boy and got what the Trabelsis had been getting and more. Just weeks ago he got 25% of the second-biggest cell phone operator. I think the two family factions were forcing Ben Ali to give away more and more, finally pushing the economy to the point where people refused to take it.

Today a new gvt gets announced, Najib Chabbi of the PDP becomes regional development minister and Ahmed Ibrahim of Ettajdid becomes higher education minister. I think Chabbi has a good go at being the next president.
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Re: People power forces change in Tunisia

Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:21 am

What's Happening in Tunisia Explained
— By Nick Baumann| Fri Jan. 14, 2011 9:30 AM PST


Reports just emerged around 12:30 p.m. Eastern time that the Tunisian dictator, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (Ben Ali), has fled the country and the Army has taken power. (Also: We have a scoop about how Washington Media Group, the DC public affairs firm that Tunisia hired to rehab its image, abruptly booted the country from its client roster last week.)

Want to know what's happening in Tunisia? Let me explain:

What is Tunisia? Tunisia is a mostly Arab, mostly Muslim country in North Africa. It is on the south side of the Mediterranean sea, east of Algeria and west of Muammar Gaddafi's Libya. Its capital is Tunis, and it has been ruled by dictators since it won independence from France in 1956. The current ruler, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (Ben Ali), has ruled since 1987. He is the kind of ruler who gets re-elected with 90 percent of the "vote."

What's happening? Violent riots and protests have spread across the country over the past four weeks. Now Ben Ali's totalitarian government seems to be collapsing. (Elliott Abrams, a former Bush administration official who unfortunately is rarely right about anything, thinks that if democracy can take hold in Tunisia, it could spread elsewhere in the Arab world, too.)

Why are Tunisians unhappy? Well, they don't have much freedom. But there also just aren't enough jobs. Official unemployment is 13 percent, but it's probably actually much higher. The combination of a repressive regime and a faltering economy is often bad news for the regime. Plus, the regime has diverted a lot of the country's wealth to Ben Ali's family and friends, so people are really upset about official corruption.

How did it all start? On December 19, authorities in the small, central city of Sidi Bouzid seized the produce cart that 26-year-old Mohamed Bouazizi was using to make a living. So Bouazizi set himself on fire. Young people in the small, central city of Sidi Bouzid rioted, and police moved to seal the city. In early January, Bouazizi died, becoming an early martyr for the cause. Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor of the Guardian and a Tunisia expert, has a good article explaining how Bouazizi and Sidi Bouzid got the ball rolling on revolution.

What's the WikiLeaks connection? Foreign Policy's Christopher Alexander explains:

Shortly before the December protests began, WikiLeaks released internal US State Department communications in which the American ambassador described Ben Ali as aging, out of touch, and surrounded by corruption. Given Ben Ali's reputation as a stalwart US ally, it mattered greatly to many Tunisians—particularly to politically engaged Tunisians who are plugged into social media—that American officials are saying the same things about Ben Ali that they themselves say about him. These revelations contributed to an environment that was ripe for a wave of protest that gathered broad support.

Hackers affiliated with Anonymous, a vaguely defined, loosely organized group that has defended WikiLeaks, hit Tunisian websites in early January.

What's the latest news? A visibly shaken Ben Ali appeared on national television Thursday night, promising reforms and indicating that he would step down in 2014. But protests only grew larger on Friday. The very latest—i.e., what happened Friday afternoon—is that Ben Ali has fired his cabinet and promised legislative (but not presidential) elections in six months. Then he declared a state of emergency. He's trying to buy time. But the regime is clearly reeling, and there are unconfirmed reports of gunfire in the capital. Police are definitely shooting at protesters, according to an American quoted in this New York Times report. Whatever is going to happen could happen soon. The very very latest is that Ben Ali has fled the country, according to Al Jazeera, and the Army has taken power.

How do I follow what's happening in real-time? Your best immediate resource is the Twitter feed of Sultan Sooud Al Qassemi, a columnist for The National, the United Arab Emirates' leading English-language newspaper. The hashtag to follow (or "feed," as the Times mistakenly dubbed it) is #sidibouzid, after the city where the first riots took place. #tunisie is another good option. Al-Bab, a blog written by Brian Whitaker, the Guardian Middle East editor mentioned above, is indispensable. Whitaker's latest posts—"Tunisia: Double or Quits," and "Tunisia: The Last Days of Ben Ali" are must-reads. If you're looking for a more US-centric view, you should also check out "Tunisia on the Brink of Revolution?" and "When Pro-Western Regimes Fall: What Should the US Do?" over at Democracy Arsenal.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/01/wha ... oJoBlog%29

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How a man setting fire to himself sparked an uprising in Tunisia
A relatively minor incident has become the catalyst for a wave of protests that may end the presidency of Zine El Abidine Ben Ali

Brian Whitaker
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 28 December 2010 15.00 GMT

Watching events in Tunisia over the past few days, I have been increasingly reminded of an event in 1989: the fall of the Romanian dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu. Is the Tunisian dictator, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, about to meet a similar fate?

After 22 years in power, Ceausescu's end came suddenly and somewhat unexpectedly. It began when the government harassed an ethnic Hungarian priest over something he had said. Demonstrations broke out but the priest was soon forgotten: they rapidly turned into generalised protests against the Ceausescu regime. The Romanian public, to put it mildly, had had enough.

The riots and demonstrations that have swept through Tunisia during the past 10 days also began with a small incident. Twenty-six-year-old Mohamed Bouazizi, living in the provincial town of Sidi Bouzid, had a university degree but no work. To earn some money he took to selling fruit and vegetables in the street without a licence. When the authorities stopped him and confiscated his produce, he was so angry that he set himself on fire.

Rioting followed and security forces sealed off the town. On Wednesday, another jobless young man in Sidi Bouzid climbed an electricity pole, shouted "no for misery, no for unemployment", then touched the wires and electrocuted himself.

On Friday, rioters in Menzel Bouzaiene set fire to police cars, a railway locomotive, the local headquarters of the ruling party and a police station. After being attacked with Molotov cocktails, the police shot back, killing a teenage protester.

By Saturday, the protests had reached the capital, Tunis – and a second demonstration took place there yesterday.

Reporting of these events has been sparse, to say the least. The Tunisian press, of course, is strictly controlled and international news organisations have shown little interest: the "not many dead" syndrome, perhaps. But in the context of Tunisia they are momentous events. It's a police state, after all, where riots and demonstrations don't normally happen – and certainly not simultaneously in towns and cities up and down the country.

So, what we are seeing, firstly, is the failure of a system constructed by the regime over many years to prevent people from organising, communicating and agitating.

Secondly, we are seeing relatively large numbers of people casting off their fear of the regime. Despite the very real risk of arrest and torture, they are refusing to be intimidated.

Finally, we are seeing the breakdown of a long-standing devil's compact where, in return for submitting to life under a dictatorship, people's economic and welfare needs are supposedly taken care of by the state.

Officially, unemployment levels in Tunisia are around 13% though in reality they may be higher – especially among university graduates. According to one recent study, 25% of male graduates and 44% of female graduates in Sidi Bouzid are without jobs. In effect, they are victims of an educational system that has succeeded in providing them with qualifications that can't be used and expectations that can't be met.

The regime also seems to have overdone its trumpeting of Tunisia's economic progress. If those claims are true, people ask, what happened to the money? One answer they give is that it has gone into the pockets of the Ben Ali family and their associates.

"The First Lady," Dr Larbi Sadiki of Exeter university wrote the other day, "is almost the Philippines' Imelda Marcos incarnate. But instead of shoes, Madame Leila collects villas, real estate and bank accounts". Then there's the president's son-in-law and possible successor, Mohamed Sakhr el-Matri whose OTT lifestyle and business interests were eloquently described, courtesy of WikiLeaks, by the US ambassador.

The defining moment in the Romanian revolution came when President Ceausescu and his wife held a rally – televised live – to drum up support. But instead of cheering as they had always done before, the crowd booed and heckled. Visibly stunned, the Ceausescus disappeared inside the building and the whole country knew their game was up.

President Ben Ali has so far avoided that mistake and continues to be extolled by the official media. But there was a telling straw in the wind when his Constitutional Democratic Rally party called a meeting in Sidi Bouzid last week. "The meeting, which was supposed to deliver a strong political message and calm things down, was feeble," one journalist was quoted as saying. In the event, very few party members turned up

The regime's claim that (unspecified) sinister forces lie behind the riots and demonstrations also sounds half-hearted. By hastily finding $15m (£10m) in economic aid for Sidi Bouzid it has, after all, acknowledged that the protesters have a point.

The crucial question is what members of the security forces, members of the ruling party and government officials – all those who have helped to keep the Ben Ali show on the road for the past 23 years – really think. How many of them have family members among the unemployed? And, more important, how many really believe Ben Ali is the man to lead the country out of its problems?

Most Arab regimes rely on patronage networks to keep themselves in power but Ben Ali's support base looks comparatively small and increasingly fragile, as the US ambassador noted last year in one of the WikiLeaks documents. He described a regime that has lost touch with the people, a regime that tolerates no advice or criticism and whose corruption has become so blatant that "even average Tunisians are now keenly aware of it".

Ben Ali may try to cling on, but his regime now has a fin de siècle air about it. He came to power in 1987 by declaring President Bourguiba unfit for office. It's probably just a matter of time before someone else delivers that same message to Ben Ali.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ia-ben-ali

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When Pro-Western Regimes Fall: What Should the U.S. Do?
Posted by Shadi Hamid

This is the second in a series of posts on the ongoing Tunisian uprising. You can read the first here.

One month ago, Tunisia seemed quiet, stable. Quiet and stable is generally what Western governments like to see in the Middle East. But Tunisia may be on the brink of the first genuine Arab revolution in recent memory. Talk of revolution tends to get US policymakers jittery, as it should. There is a lot at stake here. If Tunisia falls, it will likely embolden the opposition to pro-American regimes throughout the region. It already has, with solidarity rallies in a number of capitals and, more recently, a sort of awed fascination that what last month seemed impossible is, as we speak, happening. If change is going to happen, it's probably going to happen. There's only so much the US can do now that the ball has been rolling, with increasing speed, for 3 weeks (or depending on how you look at it more than 30 years). But it still can do something. And that something may make the difference in a delicate situation.

Some might argue that this is not about America but about Tunisians fighting for Tunisia. Accordingly, Obama and anyone else should just stay out of it. But the notion of democratic transitions as organic, homegrown – a post-Bush platitude – while technically true, is also misleading. What we know about democratic transitions suggests that Western support – in this case, the lack of it – can prove decisive. In their new book, noted political scientists Steve Levitsky and Lucan Way provide extensive empirical support to what many have long argued. They write, “It was an externally driven shift in the cost of suppression, not changes in domestic conditions, that contributed most centrally to the demise of authoritarianism in the 1980s and 1990s.”

The US may very well have limited leverage in Tunisia. But France and other EU nations have close relations with the Ben Ali regime. Tunisia depends on Europe for trade and tourism. So, first of all, the U.S. should be coordinating with its European allies. Maybe this wasn't so important yesterday. But now it is, and so it should call for serious, determined action on the part of the international community.

A phone call to President Ben Ali might be worth considering. Preferably tonight. Phone calls from American presidents to Arab autocrats do sometimes work, as the famed Bush-Mubarak call in 2005 did. What should Obama say? That, while the U.S. understands the security concerns involved, the U.S. will not tolerate the police/military shooting into crowds. And that any excessive loss of life will permanent damage Tunisia's relations with the West. For starters, the US could withdraw its ambassador in protest of mass killing (already around 50 are reported dead).

But some of this isn't about actual leverage, but optics. In the Arab world, perceptions sometimes matter more than reality. Protestors, after all, act not according some objective reality but to reality as they perceive it, in the moment. Here, the colored revolutions are instructive.

During Ukraine’s second round of elections in November 2004, President Bush sent Senator Richard Lugar as his special envoy. Lugar issued a forceful statement condemning President Leonid Kuchma’s government for election fraud. Soon after, Secretary of State Colin Powell refused to recognize the results and warned that “if the Ukrainian government does not act immediately and responsibly, there will be consequences for our relationship, for Ukraine’s hopes for a Euro-Atlantic integration, and for individuals responsible for perpetrating fraud.” The protestors in Maidan Square applauded when the Powell’s statement was read. Meanwhile, Lech Walesa, Poland’s first democratically elected president, assured the crowd that the West was on their side.

The West would be well-advised to show that, while it may not necessarily be on the side of the protestors (somewhat incredibly, Hillary Clinton already said the US won't take sides - talk about pre-emption), it will vigorously support their right to protest, assembly, and that it will not stand by while those fighting for freedom are shot to death. The protestors, who are, in fact, risking their lives, need to know that the world is watching. And that the world cares. This, presumably, is US policy, or maybe it used to be US policy. I'm not entirely sure. I do know, however, that President Bush said the following in his 2003 speech to the National Endowment for Democracy: "Militarism and rule by the capricious and corrupt are the relics of a passing era. We will stand with these oppressed peoples until the day of their freedom finally arrives.” I suppose this is the time to stand?

Of course, when Bush said this he put himself in a difficult position. How does one go about supporting both a regime and its opposition simultaneously? How does one take sides in such a fight? Morally speaking, there is a right side and a wrong side. Practically speaking, Ben Ali, however brutal, has been an "ally" for a considerable amount of time. This is why US policy in the Arab world has always struck me as fundamentally untenable in the long-run. Autocracies, to my knowledge, do not last forever. But we never took even preliminary steps of distancing ourselves from them, to prepare ourselves for the eventuality that they might fall. So now when tens of thousands of Arabs all across the region are stating, with unmistakable clarity, that they will no longer accept the authoritarian status quo, they are forcing us to take sides, testing our so-called "moral clarity." What they are really doing, I suspect, is forcing us to fall on the wrong side of history. This is not a good place to be.

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Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:44 am

who is pushing the "Tunisia uprising is a CIA/Mossad op" meme?

Veterans Today (Gordon Duff, editor)

Abu Suleyman: TUNISIA-UP TO THE MINUTE INTELLIGENCE
January 16, 2011 posted by Veterans Today · 12 Comments
Is Tunisia a Zionist coup to take full control of the oil, gas of Algeria, Libya : An insight view
Is Tunisia the first victim of the Israeli Public Relation Wikileaks?
Editor’s note: Tunisia may be the first nation to be overthrown with Wikileaks playing an active part, this time in support of Israel, the CIA and a group claiming to be Al Qaeda.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/16 ... tellgence/

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st0rmfr0nt > International > St0rmfr0nt en Français
L'installation d'un régime mossado-islamiste en Tunisie

//http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t772761/

– angirfaan

TUNISIA, ROBERT GATES, GRIRA, ISRAELIS, A SHOOTING...
TUNISIA R.I.P. - THE CIA'S JASMINE REVOLUTION
TUNISIA, MASKED SPECIAL FORCES & THE MUSLIM BROTHE...
CIA WRECKS ANOTHER COUNTRY?
CIA PSY-OP IN TUNISIA?
CIA-NATO COUP IN TUNISIA?
BIG CHANGES - SAUDI ARABIA TO TUNISIA
MOSSAD MAYHEM IN MAGHREB MEDINAS?

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/01/t ... ution.html

– Webster Tarpley

Tunisian Wikileaks Putsch: CIA Touts Mediterranean Tsunami of Coups; Libya, Egypt, Syria, Algeria, Jordan, Italy All Targeted; US-UK Want New Puppets to Play Against Iran, China, Russia; Obama Retainers Cass Sunstein, Samantha Power, Robert Malley, International Crisis Group Implicated in Destabilizations

http://tarpley.net/2011/01/16/tunisian- ... mpaign=rss

– spookterror (funny, this one, considering one trend in this thread)

OBAMA PREPARING COUP IN TUNISIA?
Materi, who feeds chickens to his tiger. Pasha eats four live chickens a day. (Africa ...)

Obama seems to be preparing a coup.

On 24 December 2010, an important Washington think tank (Institute for Policy Studiesa) had an article about a possible change of regime in Tunisia (Foreign Policy In Focus.):

"It would do Tunisians, even (Tunisian President) Ben Ali, well to recall how many US allies different American administrations have discarded…

"The list is long and I will only mention a few: the Diem regime in the 1960s, Noriega of Panama... Marcos of the Philippines...

"Did the (US) ambassador 'decide' that Sakhi Materi 'should' replace his uncle Ben Ali…"

http://spookterror.blogspot.com/2011/01 ... nisia.html

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INTERNATIONAL NEWS:

Tunisia military halts "Jasmine Revolution." Now we see the actual purpose of Julian Assange, his "leaks," and George Soros. Another themed revolution brought about by leaked cables about Tunisian regime from US embassy in Tunis. Once again, Assange is outed as a tool of Soros and the CIA and Mossad -- the Unholy Trinity. But Assange and his master Soros will not touch Israel at all -- the one country in the Middle East in need of a revolution (and a bath and a shave).

"Wicked sneaks" founder readies ammo against Swiss bank. Assange softened up Julius Baer Bank for the final blow from a predatory takeover by Soros.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

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Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:15 am

I would like to see what would happen if the US were to send an official to visit Tunisia today, to express support for the Tunisian people's democratic rights and to offer guidance. I really would. :moresarcasm

As for the suggestion that France could have a role in getting a foothold in Tunisia's new reality, maybe the one who made the suggestion missed the videos of protesters setting French-owned businesses on fire...
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