Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Elvis » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:44 am



The body language interpretations on the "Bombard's Body Language" channel are interesting, but the overall credibility meter dropped when I read the title of her post, "Body Language: Las Vegas (Antifa?) Shooting"

I hope we're not going there.

The comments are most dismaying.


Now with regard to muzzle flashes, in this YT video by "HighImpactFlix," at 3:30 a camera is trained on the stage, with the Mandalay Bay nicely framed behind it, with what seems like a straight-on angle to the purported shooting windows (see my earlier comments about angle of view). Plus, the shots of the stage are pretty steady as these things go, and focus is decent. At about 3:45, the first single shots—or firecrackers, as some attendees have said—are heard clearly. No flashes from the Mandaly windows, but the reports sound more like a small .22 round to me (or a firecracker?), and much nearer to the camera than the Mandalay building.

(Unlike the Marine husband at the Bellagio, who may have some credibility, I have no serious training or experience in distinguishing the sounds of various firearms, but over the years have fired 1,000s of .22 rifle rounds [think gravel pits & Boy Scout ranges] and can easily distinguish one from, say, a shotgun blast ["blast" is the giveaway].)

Then at about 4:20, the first rapid-fire shots are heard, and I see no flickers, no flashes, no blinks in the Mandalay windows.

elfismiles » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:15 pm wrote:Why Isn't MSM Talking About THIS Footage From Vegas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYC6kOcX6TI


So, I am indeed now wondering if those rapid-fire 'machine gun' sounds came from those windows at all.

And it's news to me that there was at least one helicopter in the air nearby, possibly coming or going from the nearby heliport.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:48 am

People giving stickdog a hard time! No one has any firm conviction except Mac and stickdog as to who is responsible. All who have not jumped aboard that train with body, mind and soul have been ridiculed by these two and most unnecessarily.

Talk about confirmation bias!


I never complained. I also don't know what happened. I have just been speculating from a different angle than most of the rest of you. Instead of assuming Paddock was guilty and then speculating on his motives, I have been speculating on his possible innocence and relaying the LVPD's and FBI's clear disinformation.

I ridiculed people only to try to jar them out of the availability heuristic I felt they were succumbing to. And that is all about probabilities, which we all know may or may not have anything to do with the truth in any one situation. I was just taking issue with the idea that Paddock's summary corpse conviction of suicidal mass murder of only total strangers was in any way the most probable explanation for this event, especially considering our still empty vacuum of both evidence and motive. Show me Paddock pulling the trigger, and I will immediately change my tune.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:40 am

This is an amazing intersection of idiocy and actual journalism:

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/ ... 2137791488

Laura Loomer may actually one of the best current journalists in the USA. That is how far the bar has fallen.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Elvis » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:20 am

stickdog99 wrote:Laura Loomer may actually one of the best current journalists in the USA. That is how far the bar has fallen.


She's a hoot. She has some guts to go knock on the door like that.

The one thing I took away from the video is that the security company's business license is expired. Who's paying them to guard the house?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Elvis » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:22 am

Is the stock trading thing true? How does one check?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stefano » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:46 am

stickdog99 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:06 am wrote:They know who booked the room adjacent to Paddock, approximately when each of the windows in the two rooms were broken, and whether they were broken from the inside or the outside.

The room adjacent to Paddock's suite is just a bedroom with a connecting door to the suite. My understanding is that they don't let those on their own, and that Paddock had the whole suite plus that bedroom.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby SonicG » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:01 am

There really is too much to follow...I will just say I find it interesting that Downey and that Gio guy, among others, are trying to call out Trump to "Tell the truth!!" I remember thinking when Trump came in, "What will the AJ crowd say/think/do when we get a mass shooting or 'terrorist' event that has so much stink attached to it that they will scream cover-up/false flag ?"
Have they realized Trump has been meeting with Adelson??

Sheldon and Miriam Adelson met with Trump amid Las Vegas shooting aftermath
The day after the Las Vegas Strip massacre, the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, President Donald Trump turned to two of his most trusted supporters to get their advice on how to start the healing process for the victims of Sunday’s tragedy which claimed 59 lives and injured over 500, FOX Business has learned.

Billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who has a net worth of $36 billion according to Forbes, and his wife Miriam, were already scheduled to meet with Trump and his son in law Jared Kushner at the White House on Monday to discuss future policy decisions, instead they brainstormed ways to assist the victims and their families, administration officials tell FOX Business. These same officials would not get into specifics about the policies that were to have been discussed.

On the same day as the President’s meeting with the Adelsons, Trump addressed the nation calling the shooting an “act of pure evil.” Trump will visit Las Vegas on Wednesday.

Adelson, chairman and chief executive officer of Las Vegas Sands Corporation (LVS), and his wife Miriam were two of Trump’s top donors during the 2016 presidential campaign, giving $20 million to the pro-Trump super PAC Future45, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Adelson also promised to contribute $100 million to Trump’s campaign to help the then Republican candidate defeat Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton.
Miriam Adelson is a doctor and chairman of The Dr. Miriam & Sheldon G. Adelson Clinic for Drug Abuse Treatment and Research. According to its website, the clinic is a “private, non-profit organization founded by Dr. Miriam and Sheldon G. Adelson and dedicated to treating the disease of opiate (heroin and painkillers) addiction by providing methadone (maintenance) treatment and counseling services.”

Adelson, a pro-Israel philanthropist, reportedly expressed disappointment with Trump that the U.S. embassy has not yet been moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, according to Israel’s Channel 2 Television News Opens a New Window. .
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And when the US or Israel bombs Iran, what will they think then??
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Project Willow » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:02 am

Just FYI, there is a FB video I linked to up thread, no visual, just audio. It records the beginning of shooting during the second to last song, popping sounds, someone screaming, and his buddy asks him why he is ducking. Then there's more screaming and yelling to stay down before the last song starts.

Around 4:10:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 1613063982
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stefano » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:31 am

stickdog99 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:40 am wrote:This is an amazing intersection of idiocy and actual journalism:

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/ ... 2137791488

Laura Loomer may actually one of the best current journalists in the USA. That is how far the bar has fallen.

That is an amazing video, definitely worth watching for the interaction with the family member and the guard. Loomer's video of her first visit to Campos's home is here.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:06 am

stefano » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:31 am wrote:
stickdog99 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:40 am wrote:This is an amazing intersection of idiocy and actual journalism:

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/ ... 2137791488

Laura Loomer may actually one of the best current journalists in the USA. That is how far the bar has fallen.

That is an amazing video, definitely worth watching for the interaction with the family member and the guard. Loomer's video of her first visit to Campos's home is here.


Actual investigative journalism. The video is a must-see, and Ms Loomer is living dangerously. As she so rightly asks: "Where are the rest of the media?"

So Jesus Campos -- prime witness to this Hollywoodesque drama -- has cancelled all media appointments and is nowhere to be found, his own car is still parked in his front yard, his family refuse to say anything about his health or his whereabouts, he has for days had a private armed guard of unclear provenance & legitimacy, and there is a car with no license plates parked in front of his house.

Jesus Campos too is living dangerously, if he is still living at all.

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#JesusCampos #LasVegasShooting

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:36 am

From the memory hole:

Government agents 'directly involved' in most high-profile US terror plots

• Human Rights Watch documents 'sting' operations
• Report raises questions about post-9/11 civil rights

Spencer Ackerman in New York
Monday 21 July 2014 14.30 BST

Nearly all of the highest-profile domestic terrorism plots in the United States since 9/11 featured the "direct involvement" of government agents or informants, a new report says.

Some of the controversial "sting" operations "were proposed or led by informants", bordering on entrapment by law enforcement. Yet the courtroom obstacles to proving entrapment are significant, one of the reasons the stings persist.

The lengthy report, released on Monday by Human Rights Watch, raises questions about the US criminal justice system's ability to respect civil rights and due process in post-9/11 terrorism cases. It portrays a system that features not just the sting operations but secret evidence, anonymous juries, extensive pretrial detentions and convictions significantly removed from actual plots.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... ots-report
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:43 am

Over the last 24 hours, contributions to his GoFundMe have suddenly dried up. Precisely one donation in that time. An appearance on Hannity would surely have boosted donations enormously and instantly.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:31 am

IamWhoIam ... I mostly liked that video because I thought it put the footage in perspective well, setting up the scene beforehand and then presenting the other videos.

I thought it interesting he commented about the noises he ascribes to helicopters as I too had initially thought it sounded like distant machine-gun fire; though it was sustained for way to long. But I actually think it may be an artifact on the recording of radio interference of some kind. Just a guess.

As for the initial pops being firecrackers ... its the simplest explanation and wouldn't have to have been connected to the shootings at all. But my own 1979 shooting experience, and those of many others, often involve witnesses misperception of the gunshots as firecrackers / fireworks. Its only when folks start falling down around you (in that weird sorta way folks do when they've been shot), again as in my experience and in Gios and others description, that folks start to realize what is really going on.

My previous question about mapping the location of shooting victims is a grisly request but would certainly help to try and figure out wtf happened here. I'm not really trying to comb through footage for that as I just don't have it in me. I don't have a real difficult time watching most of the raw mayhem but...

Nor have I tried to collect footage vs social media accounts of the Bellagio carnage and other alleged active shooter areas.

Iamwhomiam » 13 Oct 2017 04:26 wrote:elfis, I think we all heard the gunshots before Aldean began playing and according to Gios, who was up front, stage left, (to the right in the first video) said that where the first victims fell. There is no way he could have captured anyone being shot or who was shot and had fallen, from where he was when he filmed the scene.

No broken glass filmed or shown of any damage from gunshots at the Bellagio.

I'm not buying, "It's a helicopter." But I did find it interesting he was focusing on the Delano and not Mandalay Bay. (he might have been more focused on the women in the foreground, though, than he was on the Delano.)
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:44 am

Elvis, I think his interpretation of those sounds as being a helicopter are likely total bunk; proximity to airport / heliport or not. And I'm not aware of any reports of a helo in the air at the time.

Elvis » 13 Oct 2017 04:44 wrote:<snip>
elfismiles » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:15 pm wrote:Why Isn't MSM Talking About THIS Footage From Vegas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYC6kOcX6TI


So, I am indeed now wondering if those rapid-fire 'machine gun' sounds came from those windows at all.

And it's news to me that there was at least one helicopter in the air nearby, possibly coming or going from the nearby heliport.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby SonicG » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:55 am

Those first pops just sound like maybe some initial single shots...maybe trying to gauge the range...
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