Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:13 pm

chump » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:52 am wrote:
Jerky » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:44 pm wrote:I have yet to see anything substantial to show that Snopes isn't the single best fact check site operating on the Internet right now. And pretty much everyone I've seen try to smear Snopes... let's just say it's been pretty fucking obvious why they'd want to do that.

J.


This post is probably bullsh!t, but who’re we gonna get to check the story?


Snopes.com is run by an embezzler, a hooker & a dominatrix

Posted on December 23, 2016 by Dr. Eowyn

According to independent investigative journalist and former U.S. Navy officer and NSA employee Wayne Madsen, the fact-check website Snopes.com — which Facebook is using to combat so-called “fake news” — is a Cia operation.

Now, thanks to a report by the UK’s Daily Mail, we know Snopes not only peddles CIA propaganda, it is a sleazy outfit, run by an embezzler, a former hooker/porn star, and a dominatrix.

Reporting for Daily Mail, Dec. 21, 2016, Alana Goodman points out that Snopes.com will benefit from Facebook using the site as an arbiter of truth by determining what’s “fake news.” Now a DailyMail.com investigation has exposed Snopes.com’s sleazy underbelly...

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oh, Wayne Madsen. That paragon of truth. along with Daily Mail. Mind=blown.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:17 pm

Imagine my confusion! I forgot how badly racist RI truly is! No difference at all from BreitBart AJ or SF; just as racist, sure enough. I must have dropped my rigor along with my intuition while asleep last night - good god! I thought it was only a bad dream!
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RI is as racist as any forum on the Internet. Can't get beyond it. Will be the death of it. Well, was the death of it, hyperbolically speaking.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby DrEvil » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:28 pm

minime » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:20 pm wrote:"You do know that this is a leftist, anti-racist board, right?"

Silly on the face of it.

RI is as racist as any forum on the Internet. Can't get beyond it. Will be the death of it. Well, was the death of it, hyperbolically speaking.


Huh, I could have sworn it was spelled out explicitly in the posting guidelines. Oh look! It is:

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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun May 06, 2018 3:26 pm

Well, this is a bit different. Fitting here or equally at home in the false flag thread:

New Orleans News Site Finds Actors Were Paid To Support A Power Plant

May 5, 2018 5:58 PM ET
Camila Domonoske

Multiple actors were paid to appear at City Hall meetings in New Orleans and express support for a proposed gas-powered power plant, an investigative news site reports, citing interviews with actors and messages with organizers.

The New Orleans City Council approved the new Entergy power plant in March. Allegations have been swirling for weeks that some of the seeming supporters of the plant were actually paid actors, but now The Lens has published evidence. The site notes that the practice "appears to be legal."

Entergy New Orleans has previously denied the allegation that it paid supporters to attend the meetings, and did not initially respond to the new report.

You can read the full story on The Lens' website.

Long before the allegations surfaced, The Lens noted the striking number of bright orange T-shirts — celebrating clean energy, good jobs and reliable power — worn at a meeting in October to invite public comments on the proposal.

At that meeting, The Lens reported at the time, the president and CEO of Entergy New Orleans chuckled and said, "I think we've got them outnumbered."

Then, in early March, actor Andrew Wiseman spoke out publicly to say he was paid to sit in a meeting wearing one of those orange shirts.

Inspired by that disclosure, a lawyer compared speakers at the City Hall meetings with professional actor profiles and identified three other apparent actors in the audience. But he did not offer any evidence that those actors were paid to speak at the meeting.

A coalition of environmental advocacy groups then sued to reverse the approval of the plant for a variety of reasons. One of their suits alleges that opponents of the plant were turned away from public meetings because of a lack of space, while supporters — possibly including paid supporters — were allowed to enter early.

Entergy has said that seats were available on a first-come, first-serve basis, and told local news station WWLTV that the company did not pay anybody to appear.

Now The Lens, a nonprofit news organization, has published new evidence suggesting a campaign to recruit, organize and pay people, including people from outside of New Orleans, to express support for the power plant.

One actor, in addition to Andrew Wiseman, was willing to go on the record.

"They paid us to sit through the meeting and clap every time someone said something against wind and solar power," Keith Keough told The Lens, saying he was not political and just needed the money.

Two more actors spoke to The Lens anonymously. The site also obtained screenshots of messages exchanged with a man who was apparently organizing the effort. You can view all the messages in the Lens' story.

Those messages described when and where to appear, offered recruitment bonuses for finding more people for the event, provided talking points and full speeches to deliver, and referenced nondisclosure agreements.

The Lens reports that participants were paid $60 for showing up and wearing a shirt, and $200 for delivering a speech in support of the plant.

The news outlet also said that in one message, the organizer referenced "Crowds on Demand." In 2016, Davy Rothbart wrote about that company, which supplies fake crowds for events, for The California Report.

He spoke to NPR about his experience going undercover to get jobs with them, describing the company's strategy as savvy and smart.

"I think it's effective, but I also think it's a little gross," he said.

Rothbart said that during his time with Crowds on Demand, nobody really seemed to be worried about being discovered as paid protester.

"I don't think it crosses anybody's mind," he said. "It's just still kind of a secretive line of work, and I think most people aren't that clued into the possibility of hired crowd members."

But the messages acquired by The Lens show a preoccupation with not getting caught. In one missive, the organizer listed "a few things to keep in mind":

1) Tell nobody you're being paid

2) Tell nobody you're being paid

3) Media will be present, do not talk to them

4) Tell nobody you're being paid

5) If someone approaches you, don't tell them you're being paid.

The alleged organizer who sent that message did not respond to The Lens' request for comment. Another alleged organizer told the news site he helps run "grassroots organizations and campaigns," but did not respond to further inquiries.

Entergy and Crowds on Demand have not yet responded to NPR's requests for comment.

It's not clear who paid for the effort — or how many people were paid and how many were legitimate supporters.

But in March, at a meeting where there are no allegations of paid supporters, the room was "dominated by opponents," The Lens writes.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/05/608785751/new-orleans-news-site-finds-actors-were-paid-to-support-a-power-plant

Sourcing The Crowd: California Company Stages Phony Protests

< 4:30 minute sound file >

June 9, 20164:25 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered

NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with This American Life contributor and founder of Found Magazine Davy Rothbart, who went inside the company "Crowds on Demand," a company you call when you need a crowd of people for any reason. This company sends fake paparazzi, pretend campaign protestors and pretend news crews to stoke more protest.

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/09/481433870/sourcing-the-crowd-california-company-stages-phony-protests
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby American Dream » Sun May 06, 2018 3:50 pm

That is horrible but I can believe it happens!
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun May 06, 2018 3:57 pm

^^^ Coming Soon, to your local town hall, with a special encore appearance afterwards in your local courthouse.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Elvis » Sun May 06, 2018 5:04 pm

Tell nobody you're being paid


I'm reminded of the White Helmets in Syria, who have been paid good salaries by their US/UK sponsors to promote regime change, while stressing their claims of being unaffiliated, unpaid volunteers. One difference is that the White Helmets enjoy some freebies, for instance snatching frightened 11-year-olds off the street to appear in their staged, US/UK-sponsored videos. I'm using the word "staged" with certaintly since it's now completely obvious, to anyone who looks and thinks, that the Douma hospital videos and others were faked.

Interesting that both cases ultimately involve the energy sector, infamous for funneling $10M to writers attempting to discredit legitimate climate science.

SCOTUS has declared that free speech is up for sale, watch out!
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby American Dream » Thu May 24, 2018 12:47 pm

Six more families sue Alex Jones over Sandy Hook conspiracy claims

Jones already faces two lawsuits in Texas related to his claims that the shootings at Sandy Hook were a staged event.

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"Infowars" host Alex Jones arrives at the Travis County Courthouse in Austin, Texas on April 17, 2017.


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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:48 am

"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966

TESTDEMIC ➝ "CASE"DEMIC
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby American Dream » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:53 pm

Spin Cycle: Right-Wing Media Defend The Chilling Way ICE Treats Immigrant Children

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Laura Ingraham said that people expressing concern and outrage over children being detained in cages was “hilarious.” Ann Coulter went the Infowars route, choosing to cite a nonexistent New Yorker article to allege that the children speaking to media about the way ICE has treated their families were “child actors.” Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh said, “This children and families being separated at the border? It is an entirely manufactured crisis. It’s entirely manufactured … It’s all about people attempting to invade our country, not emigrate here.” Similarly, Infowars called the mistreatment of migrant children “a giant hoax.”


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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby American Dream » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:34 pm

Watch Samantha Bee Dispel Parkland Crisis Actor Hoax

Bee centered the segment around the Marjory Stoneman Douglas massacre in Parkland, Florida, and the survivors – especially those that became prominent gun control activists – who have been smeared online as "crisis actors." These conspiracy theories typically emerge in far-right corners of the Internet, where some believe that liberals and government officials fake mass shootings and other terror attacks to sway public opinion on gun issues.

Bee, however, swiftly countered that narrative, cracking, "Oh bless their hearts, I wish the left were that organized! Can you imagine how much power they could have if they stopped giving each other white dreads, and in-fighting at drum circles to cook up a whole plot like that?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdX6p_JQw_g

In the second half of the segment, Bee looked at the disconcertingly long history of "crisis actor" conspiracy theories, which first emerged in the 1860s when a group of African-Americans were invited to speak to Congress about slavery. The government offered to pay the group's travel expenses, which they couldn't afford, leading pro-slavery factions to claim the group couldn't be trusted.

Similar hoaxes sprang up to discredit the Little Rock Nine and other Civil Rights activists, leading Bee to wryly quip, "Oh my gosh these all have something in common. And now even white children are being accused of being crisis actors. We really are post-racial."

Since the Sandy Hook shooting, right wing radio host Alex Jones has emerged as the leading spewer of these conspiracy theories. And though such hoaxes may seem to exist on the fringe, Bee warned that Jones and others have accumulated massive audiences and prominent supporters, who have helped push their ideas into the mainstream. Even President Trump lent some legitimacy to Jones after he appeared on his show during his presidential run.


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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Elvis » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:22 pm

Personally, I'm extremely leery of all-inclusive dismissals of "crisis actor" scenarios. The blanket label "conspiracy theory" conditions people to disbelieve even the possibility of such tactics. There's no reason to think the "deep state" or other actors won't use them, and when they do, it'll never be properly scrutinized because "everybody knows these are just conspiracy theories."

Nayirah — crisis actor?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ2qb7UcdOE

If not, then what do we call it? Nayirah wittingly misreprented herself at the behest of others, acting out an intentional misrepresentation of a crisis for political ends. The deception was cooked up by Hill & Knowlton with the encouragement of Bush Forty-one.

And it worked beautifully.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby American Dream » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:37 pm

Mostly though, when accountable media refute crisis actor discourse ala Alex Jones et al, they cite specific claims, specific evidence and specific flaws in reasoning and argumentation. Simply pointing out that something may not be fully known and understood should never be considered enough to "prove" a crisis actor hypothesis.

In the baby incubator case there was good evidence to support the charges.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Elvis » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:16 pm

Yes, and I'm only hoping the baby incubators don't get thrown out with the bathwater, so to speak.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:59 pm

Lawyers for Neo-Nazi to Defend Alex Jones in Sandy Hook Case

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Alex Jones has been spreading false claims that a 2012 massacre at a Connecticut school is a hoax.

By Elizabeth Williamson
July 2, 2018


Alex Jones, an online conspiracy theorist who claims the Sandy Hook massacre that killed 20 children and six adults was a hoax, has hired lawyers representing a founder of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website to defend him against defamation claims brought in Connecticut by families of seven Sandy Hook victims.

Since days after the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., Mr. Jones has spread bogus theories that the families were “crisis actors” in a government plot to confiscate Americans’ firearms. The families have endured online abuse, physical confrontations and death threats from Mr. Jones’s devotees.

Marc Randazza and Jay Wolman of the Las Vegas-based Randazza Legal Group are defending Mr. Jones in Connecticut. The lawyers also represent Andrew Anglin, the co-founder of the Daily Stormer, who is being sued for harassment by a Montana woman after Daily Stormer followers subjected her to a torrent of anti-Semitic slurs and threats. Mr. Anglin has cited Mr. Jones as an early influence.

Mr. Jones is also facing lawsuits filed in Texas by the families of two other Sandy Hook victims, but he has different lawyers there. Together, the lawsuits pose a significant legal threat to his InfoWars empire, First Amendment lawyers say.


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