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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:19 pm

How do homeopathic preparations affect the growth rate of plants in controlled experiment after controlled experiment?

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2010/107597/

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This study evaluated the effects of homeopathically potentized Arsenicum album, nosode, and gibberellic acid in a bioassay with arsenic-stressed duckweed (Lemna gibba L.). The test substances were applied in nine potency levels (17x, 18x, 21x–24x, 28x, 30x, 33x) and compared with controls (unsuccussed and succussed water) regarding their influence on the plant’s growth rate. Duckweed was stressed with arsenic(V) for 48 h. Afterwards, plants grew in either potentized substances or water controls for 6 days. Growth rates of frond (leaf) area and frond number were determined with a computerized image analysis system for different time intervals (days 0–2, 2–6, 0–6). Five independent experiments were evaluated for each test substance. Additionally, five water control experiments were analyzed to investigate the stability of the experimental setup (systematic negative control experiments). All experiments were randomized and blinded. The test system exhibited a low coefficient of variation (≈1%). Unsuccussed and succussed water did not result in any significant differences in duckweed growth rate. Data from the control and treatment groups were pooled to increase statistical power. Growth rates for days 0–2 were not influenced by any homeopathic preparation. Growth rates for days 2–6 increased after application of potentized Arsenicum album regarding both frond area (p < 0.001) and frond number (p < 0.001), and by application of potentized nosode (frond area growth rate only, p < 0.01). Potencies of gibberellic acid did not influence duckweed growth rate. The systematic negative control experiments did not yield any significant effects. Thus, false-positive results can be excluded with high certainty. To conclude, the test system with L. gibba impaired by arsenic(V) was stable and reliable. It yielded evidence for specific effects of homeopathic Arsenicum album preparations and it will provide a valuable tool for future experiments that aim at revealing the mode of action of homeopathic preparations. It may also be useful to investigate the influence of external factors (e.g., heat, electromagnetic radiation) on the effects of homeopathic preparations.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:22 pm

How does it help mice recover from arsenic poisoning?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... 07.00945.x

Groundwater arsenic contamination has become a menacing global problem. No drug is available until now to combat chronic arsenic poisoning. To examine if a potentized homeopathic remedy, Arsenicum Album‐200, can effectively combat chronic arsenic toxicity induced by repeated injections of Arsenic trioxide in mice, the following experimental design was adopted. Mice (Mus musculus) were injected subcutaneously with 0.016% arsenic trioxide at the rate of 1 ml/100 g body weight, at an interval of 7 days until they were killed at day 30, 60, 90 or 120 and were divided into three groups: (i) one receiving a daily dose of Arsenicum Album‐200 through oral administration, (ii) one receiving the same dose of diluted succussed alcohol (Alcohol‐200) and (iii) another receiving neither drug, nor succussed alcohol. The remedy or the placebo, as the case may be, was fed from the next day onwards after injection until the day before the next injection, and the cycle was repeated until the mice were killed. Two other control groups were also maintained: one receiving only normal diet, and the other receiving normal diet and succussed alcohol. Several toxicity assays, such as cytogenetical (chromosome aberrations, micronuclei, mitotic index, sperm head anomaly) and biochemical (acid and alkaline phosphatases, lipid peroxidation), were periodically made. Compared with controls, the drug fed mice showed reduced toxicity at statistically significant levels in respect of all the parameters studied, thereby indicating protective potentials of the homeopathic drug against chronic arsenic poisoning.

Another study that had the same findings
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:28 pm

How does it help yeast poisoned with arsenic survive?

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/An ... c69982.pdf
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:36 pm

How did it help arsenic poisoned leukocytes?

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/13/3/3979

The therapeutic effects of homoeopathic Arsenicum album potencies were investigated in-vitro, using a continuous cell line (MT4), pre-intoxicated with arsenic trioxide (As2O3), and then treated with succussed and unsuccussed homoeopathic potencies, 6CH, 30CH and 200CH. This study aimed to verify the homoeopathic law of similars and to determine whether potencies diluted beyond Avogadro’s constant had physiological effects on cells; whether various potencies would cause different effects as suggested by the concept of hormesis; whether succussed and unsuccussed homoeopathic potencies had different effects on the cells; and to establish whether a biotechnological method could be used to evaluate the above. As2O3 was used to pre-intoxicate and the MTT assay was used to measure the percentage cytotoxicity and half maximal inhibitory concentration (IC50) of the cells. The homoeopathic potencies of Arsenicum album (6CH, 30CH and 200CH) were prepared by either succussing or allowing to diffuse for 30 s. After pre-intoxication of the MT4 cells with the IC50 As2O3 and treatment with succussed and unsuccussed Arsenicum album (6CH-200CH), the cell viability increased with increasing potency from 81% to 194% (over 72 h). The treatments and the times of exposure were found to be statistically significant determinants of cell viability, whereas succussion did not cause any significant variation in the results. The study provided evidence that a biotechnological method (namely cell viability) may be used to scientifically evaluate the physiological effects of homoeopathic potencies on human cells; it confirmed that the homoeopathic potencies did have therapeutic effects; and that succussion was not required in the potentization method in order to produce a curative remedy.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:47 pm

Are all 6,000+ of these experimental studies wrong or are all of the legion of homeopathic "skeptics" wrong?

Dr. Evil, could you page Orac or Skeptical Raptor for some help with this?

Dr. Evil, are you even going to take the time to review any of these studies or are you going to persist in your blind faith that the scientifically demonstrable, replicable, and clearly observable effects of homeopathic preparations are "scientifically" impossible?
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Postby LolaB » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:47 pm

Thanks for posting these, stickdog.
Homeopathy is, in my experience, a powerful and effective healing modality. But it's more like magic, rather than science, which irks the rational mind.
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Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:31 pm

It's simply a Western form of energy medicine. It's an incredibly brilliant, deep, complex modality of health, one that has had an unprecedented smear campaign ran against it since the Rockefeller-formed AMA came into existence pushing allopathy and pharmaceuticals.

Why? Because it works.
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Re: Homeopathy

Postby DrEvil » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:15 am

stickdog99 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:47 am wrote:Are all 6,000+ of these experimental studies wrong or are all of the legion of homeopathic "skeptics" wrong?

Dr. Evil, could you page Orac or Skeptical Raptor for some help with this?

Dr. Evil, are you even going to take the time to review any of these studies or are you going to persist in your blind faith that the scientifically demonstrable, replicable, and clearly observable effects of homeopathic preparations are "scientifically" impossible?


Hang on, I'm not quite done reading those 6000 studies.

But honestly, what's the point? We both know how this is going to end: same as every other time. I'll post some studies that support my view, maybe throw some shade on some of the people or journals that you posted, you'll respond in kind, maybe complain some about big pharma and the limitations of the the strict scientific/materialist view, I'll complain about religious beliefs and magic replacing real medicine, we'll post some more studies and snipe some more, and then we'll both get tired of it and let the thread die, occasionally resurrecting it for another bout of sniping.

I suggest we skip to the end and save ourselves the grief, because we're not going to agree on this unless one of us comes up with something so utterly convincing and irrefutable that the answer is undeniable, and that's not going to happen.
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Re: Homeopathy

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:12 am

lol. So that's how "science" works today.

Right? No reason to evaluate the actual experimental observations when you already have your mind made up. In fact. you don't even have to see if your favorite "skeptics" have actiually noticed any of these studies yet because you know for a fact that when and if they do that their only possible response will be to villify the non-corporate scientists who had the gall to actually make these observations when we all ALREADY know that homeopathy simply MUST be pure quackery no matter what any observational data may say. Right?
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Re: Homeopathy

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:21 am

Can you EVER simply exanine the data objectively and allow yourself to be suprised at the results or is that just
too heretical for a religious Church of Corporate Medicine zealot like you?
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Re: Homeopathy

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:35 pm

LolaB » 23 Feb 2021 00:47 wrote:Thanks for posting these, stickdog.
Homeopathy is, in my experience, a powerful and effective healing modality. But it's more like magic, rather than science, which irks the rational mind.


Exactly. Since it is an article of faith that it is "scientifically impossible" for something so diluted to have any effect on anything, this somehow absolves "scientists" of their duty to follow the scientific method by analyzing and attempting to reproduce the thousands of experiments that clearly demonstrate that homeopathic preparations indeed do have measurable and replicable effects.

It's just like Einstein's initial take on quantum mechanics Just ignore and/or "debunk" the observational measurements since they simply cannot be true, even though they happened.
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Re: Homeopathy

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:12 am

Were one to bite on this "look at the evidence" attitude for a practice so thoroughly debunked in the past, it would perhaps help if we focused on one study in mammals and looked at the whole thing, from start to finish, instead of this effort to overwhelm with numbers.Such an effort of "look how many studies I have" could be easily countered, but if one's goal was to actually consider and evaluate, one might be better to take the most convincing study involving something close to humans if not on them directly and expose it to detailed examination. Examination, mind you, not argument. Comparison with studies that are accepted by standard medical science would be valuable as well. Unless the OP is willing to consider something along those lines, this thread is just begging for a shouting match with a specific poster who has wisely already declined to participate.
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Re: Homeopathy

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:51 am

Regardless, the best strategy is to strengthen one's immune system. Then these arguments about what treatments work becomes irrelevant. :yay
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