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Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:33 pm wrote:Belligerent Savant » 27 Jan 2022 01:19 wrote:@raggedlines
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So, Malta is 86% fully vaccinated which is higher than Ireland and they are currently experiencing the highest death spike of the whole pandemic.
Are we...are we even pretending vaccines work anymore or are we just having a laugh at this stage?
Jan 26, 2022
https://twitter.com/raggedlines/status/ ... 61440?s=20
So malta has half a million people in its population.
Even tho that graph looks bad the numbers on the axis are deaths per million.
So less than four people died of COVID when that graph was at its highest point.
Despite the vaccination rates (86%) that leaves 14% unvaccinated. 14% of half a million+ is about 75000 people.
So four deaths in a day in that context is meaningless. That data is meaningless.
alloneword » 28 Jan 2022 15:00 wrote:UK, week 4:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... week-4.pdf
So that's all ages >18 now showing negative efficacy against 'infection'.
(Note: This is 'persons vaccinated with at least 3 doses (per 100,000)' vs. 'persons not vaccinated (per 100,000)' - persons with 1 or 2 doses for last week (wk 3) are shown here).
Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:36 am wrote:BTW
In that entire comment I haven't said anything about what I think about this pandemic, its origins, the responses to it or the behaviour of some large corporations in response to it.
So have a look at all the assumptions and things you thought while you were reading it and realise they only exist in your head.
Belligerent Savant » 29 Jan 2022 00:13 wrote:Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:33 pm wrote:Belligerent Savant » 27 Jan 2022 01:19 wrote:@raggedlines
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So, Malta is 86% fully vaccinated which is higher than Ireland and they are currently experiencing the highest death spike of the whole pandemic.
Are we...are we even pretending vaccines work anymore or are we just having a laugh at this stage?
Jan 26, 2022
https://twitter.com/raggedlines/status/ ... 61440?s=20
So malta has half a million people in its population.
Even tho that graph looks bad the numbers on the axis are deaths per million.
So less than four people died of COVID when that graph was at its highest point.
Despite the vaccination rates (86%) that leaves 14% unvaccinated. 14% of half a million+ is about 75000 people.
So four deaths in a day in that context is meaningless. That data is meaningless.
No, it's not meaningless. The chart goes back to April of 2020, so it's relative to Malta over a ~20 month period. Regardless of the actual death count, it's clear these shots have NOT LESSENED HARM.
And the Malta example is far from anomalous. Your comment would make some sense if Malta was an outlier.
It's not. And in other countries, the death counts are markedly higher relative to respective populations.
Let's see how these figures look as more time passes, eh?
stickdog99 » 29 Jan 2022 07:06 wrote:And here's the other thing that I don't understand.
Even had these vaccines lived up to all of the official government and corporate media promises made on their behalf, I would still consider Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother QR-code-based restrictions of human rights to be among the most insidiously evil practices in recent human history.
How about you?
stickdog99 » 29 Jan 2022 07:06 wrote:And here's the other thing that I don't understand.
Even had these vaccines lived up to all of the official government and corporate media promises made on their behalf, I would still consider Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother QR-code-based restrictions of human rights to be among the most insidiously evil practices in recent human history.
How about you?
MacCruiskeen » 29 Jan 2022 07:08 wrote:The Man of Mystery speaks. He is an enigma wrapped in a cloud of fragrant smoke inside a cosy rural retreat:Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:36 am wrote:BTW
In that entire comment I haven't said anything about what I think about this pandemic, its origins, the responses to it or the behaviour of some large corporations in response to it.
So have a look at all the assumptions and things you thought while you were reading it and realise they only exist in your head.
We're now on page 340 of Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread; we're a full two years into COUPVID-19: so please, at long last, condescend to share your thoughts "about this pandemic [sic], its origins, the responses to it or the behaviour of some large corporations in response to it", O Bodhidharma.
Because here's me, in my naivety, thinking you'd never ceased sharing your "thoughts", and that those "thoughts" have never been distinguishable from the edicts of governments and the charlatans they employ.
stickdog99 » 29 Jan 2022 06:48 wrote:alloneword » 28 Jan 2022 15:00 wrote:UK, week 4:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... week-4.pdf
So that's all ages >18 now showing negative efficacy against 'infection'.
(Note: This is 'persons vaccinated with at least 3 doses (per 100,000)' vs. 'persons not vaccinated (per 100,000)' - persons with 1 or 2 doses for last week (wk 3) are shown here).
And what about these data, Joe? Are these data meaningless as well?
Here's what's weird to me. These vaccines were sold to us as a means to severely reduce transmission, hospitalization, and death. We we all told that if we just did our part to get the vaccination rate above 60%, 70%, 80%, and then finally 90% that these vaccines would provide herd immunity and thus end COVID-19 pandemic restrictions once and for all.
But that's not what happened anywhere. Most of the most highly vaccinated populations have seen spikes in their case rates well after their vaccination rates exceeded 75%.
In fact, there seems to be no correlation whatsoever between vaccination rates and COVID-19-associated case, hospitalization, and death rates and there even seem to be strong signs of a clear positive correlation between vaccination rates and COVID-19 case rates as well as between vaccination rates and non-COVID-19-associated morbidities, hospitalization, and death rates in many localities.
I don't understand how any of these data (no matter how noisy or confounded) can be called "meaningless" in the face of the mandatory vaccination and booster policies the currently exist (or are currently being proposed) in much of the Western world, even in the face of incontrovertible data that omicron is no more severe to young healthy people than is influenza and that these vaccines can even promote the spread of omicron.
Can some of these data be questioned? Certainly. There are all sorts of noise and confounding factors in these data. Can some of the providers of anti-vaccine mandate propaganda be condemned for their other political stances? Certainly.
But what I don't understand is why. Why after we have seen no clearly discernible benefits from these vaccines, why when case rates are currently the highest they have been in many of the most highly vaccinated country, why are these data questioned rather than those data that purport to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of these vaccines? Why are so many informed people still suffering from so much confirmation bias regarding vaccine mandates?
Nobody here is arguing against anybody getting these vaccines. All we are doing is providing available information and editorial opinions (that may or may not be totally relevant in every case) and saying that people should be allowed to make informed decisions about these vaccines for themselves and their families.
Were authorities to have sold these vaccines to us for what they actually are (experimental gene therapies with uncertain safety profiles that confer temporary protection against severe COVID-19 outcomes), I would not have any problem with them. But they clearly shouldn't even be recommended, much less mandated, for healthy children or healthy young adults. Yet they are.
Why? I mean, the kindest explanation for this is well-meaning ignorance. But my rigorous intuition tells me that it goes way beyond that. How about yours?
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