SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:40 pm

DrEvil » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:41 pm wrote:On that note: birthdays are now mandatory.

To call this hyperbole would be too charitable.

First, let's reference a few excerpts from a recent Politico piece for a bit of needed perspective -- at least with respect to the last comment I quoted above:

Abortion remains legal or legal for now in 35 states.

Abortion is potentially illegal or soon to be illegal in 11 states.

Abortion is illegal in 5 states.


...But it could take months for all the legal maneuvering to be completed and for the nation to have a more definitive picture over where abortion is legal, said Greer Donley, a professor specializing in reproductive health care at the University of Pittsburgh Law School.

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Only three states — South Dakota, Louisiana and Kentucky — have laws that immediately ban most abortions.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/2 ... e-00037695

Another map (prior to the recent overturn) that provides perspectives from other countries -- I believe this one was already shared in another thread:

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Some other more sober, contextual takes on the overturn news.

First, comments by 2 women:
Madame Kempe
@MadameKempe
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Jun 24
I’m going to give an alternative view here, from the pro-choice perspective — that Roe was in fact an instance of judicial overreach, and that these issues should have been decided democratically through the legislature, not through the courts ruling from on high.

Yvon Wang 王弋文
@yyvonwang Replying to @MadameKempe

I agree entirely (as did RBG years ago, iirc). And Dems deserve only critique for not summoning their energies to actually enshrine these protections--instead using Roe as a kind of hostage for our votes.

2:27 PM · Jun 24, 2022·Twitter Web App


A noteworthy observation from elsewhere:

Date: 2022-06-26 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] dendroica

...I and many others on this very forum have expressed abhorrence at the thought of mandated experimental injections while also believing in a woman's right to choose (subject to some limitations on later trimesters).

I don't think it's a simple explanation of people believing what they're told. It's more of a matter of people aligning themselves with either of two dominant paradigms and narratives that have evolved into these positions over time.

So we have a Christian/religious worldview that has long been pro-life and that has had a history of conflict with the religion of Science (see e.g. the evolution/creation wars) that has led to a deep skepticism of the edicts of scientists.

And then we have a secular, Progress-centered worldview that regards any reference to theological belief as primitive and that believes in the almost magical power of Science to defeat the physical evil of contagion.

I think it's high time we develop alternatives to the two-party, two-narrative, two-paradigm system.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/187282 ... mt31437202

Some cogent commentary here:

https://fergie.substack.com/p/roe-rever ... s-as-usual
Roe Reversal is Business as Usual
Petit Bourgeois individualism, the unending narrowness of the American "Left," and the Death Cult called the "United States"

25th JUNE, 2022- Yesterday, a reactionary US Supreme Court, empowered by the refusal of the last 3 Democratic administrations to codify Roe V. Wade, and the old racist relic Ruth Bader Ginsberg clinging to her gavel until the Grim Reaper snatched it from her, predictably repealed the 1973 Roe V. Wade ruling, eliminating federal protection for legal abortion in the United States. When the dust settles, as many as 22 states could use this to effectively ban abortion.

In response, the loose coalition of liberal civil society in the US, a smattering of the largely white, college-educated petite bourgeoisie, Democratic elites in the Beltway and along the coasts, progressives, pink hats, mainstream media, and the aesthetic-first, anarchistic “Left” have unleashed a predictably performative flood of outrage which has taken on historic proportions.

Much of this is understandable, even correct, and much of it is so mired up its own rear end of decontextualized American idealism that Justices Thomas and Kavanaugh wouldn’t know how to squirm their way through.

Women’s rights have been attacked again, no doubt, but watching liberals go into full meltdown once again over domestic social developments, while our entire lives as US citizens have been dominated by murder, genocide, imperialism, land theft, wage theft, mass surveillance, imprisonment, and the evisceration of the planet is fairly unimpressive, frankly. This is being heralded as the “rise of fascism,” but this is America: we created fascism. This is the theatrical gamesmanship of an extant, bipartisan fascist beast, manufacturing yet again the illusion of struggle within bourgeois boundaries.

CHOICE IS IMPORTANT; EXISTENCE IS MORE IMPORTANT

It’s unconscionable that in our collective political consciousness, the notion that “these women in X country/neighborhood are struggling to survive, and need access to abortion” supersedes the notion that “these women in X country/neighborhood shouldn’t be struggling to survive.”

but if only we could generate this much outrage for the total lack of public healthcare, childcare, preventative medicine, maternity leave, housing, or wealth redistribution that might make having a child, or not, a more deliberate decision for basically anyone.

Notwithstanding that abortion/birth control *in its liberal form* in the US (I am in no way taking away from more principled, materialist efforts over the centuries) began as a eugenicist project by white feminists to control black populations, abortion, objectively is a traumatic and sometimes dangerous procedure. Socialism is never idealism, it is the tool with which we address the material contradictions in our society, and so necessary abortion is available without question in a socialist society, because there is a human need for it, in many cases. What socialist states don’t usually do, as much of our culture has done, is fetishize abortion above all other causes, and idolize it, because Socialism creates the material conditions wherein abortion becomes far less of a necessity, because resources and education lead to less unwanted pregnancy, and because economic security and public infrastructure make child-bearing and family planning viable for the masses.

In the United States, abortion, like the other morsels of bread sanctimoniously doled out to the people by the ruling class, became a holy grail because it’s all you get. You may be stripped of the ability to choose where you live, where you work, how you exist, and what kind of family you want, but at least you can abort an unwanted pregnancy which might exacerbate the untenable conditions you’re trying to live through. The scattered rights and freedoms we vaguely enjoy in the US are always concessions granted to our populace to ensure that the imperial order is not toppled, and nothing more. As much as the liberal elite wants to blame “religion” in a vacuum, none of these rights and concessions will ever mean a thing, and none of them will ever truly be legislated responsibly, not abortion, not housing, not food, as long as the capitalist class remains in power.

Of course, none of this is unsettling to the power brokers of the Democratic Party, who never intended to settle the issue of Roe, because it has been their most valuable political currency for decades. In an election cycle when democrats control the White House and congress, and the economy is in the gutter, headed by a president unable to form complete sentences, the opportunity to sing “God Bless America” on the capital steps and convert it into fundraising checks is a can’t-miss for the DNC. All of this will mean nothing for the advancement of international working women’s liberation, but it may clear a few more shipments of heavy weaponry to Ukrainian fascists.

THIS IS FAR FROM OUR LOWEST POINT

The last 24 hours have included innumerable statements on “Left” social media and other layers of the “Left” public sphere saying, in one way or another, “I’m so horrified with what this country has become! This has gone too far!”

Really? When was it better?

In the 2010s, when we bombed 7 countries, illegally installed a fascist regime in Ukraine and armed their Nazi battalions, annihilated Libya, and tried to do the same in Syria?

In the 00s, when we killed 1 million Iraqis, let Wall Street off scott-free for robbing a generation of their livelihood, tried to destroy Venezuela, and suspended all due process for anyone a fed thought might be a “terrorist?”

In the 90s, when we passed the laws that created the worst incarceration state in human history, locked Haitian refugees in concentration camps in Florida, initiated broken windows policing, bombed Belgrade into oblivion, and illegally dismantled the USSR/Eastern Bloc, leaving economic and social wreckage which remains to this day?

Or maybe it was the 80s, when we shipped crack into the hood to create a drug war, armed right-wing death squads in Nicaragua, and ignored AIDS?

The 70s, when we were still in Vietnam, armed and trained Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, and the FBI eliminated all meaningful political dissent for good by assassination, imprisonment or deportation?

Or did you mean the 60s, when we invaded Southeast Asia and waged war on man and nature for a decade, had a deeply co-opted Civil Rights movement which met violent resistance, before women’s rights were even on the table?

No? Then the 50s? When we initiated an international nuclear arms race, committed genocide in Korea which left over 3 million dead, and built a culture of mass consumerism on a foundation of racism and patriarchy?

Why is *this* the breaking point for so many? Why are we so deeply lost in petit bourgeois individualism that nothing means anything until it could affect us ourselves, or our prevailing causes celebres?

The reaction of the white petite bourgeoisie to Roe and to Covid, two issues which could ostensibly affect they themselves, placed next to their total indifference to global and domestic rape and plunder for generations, tells us all we need to know about who is on the side of humanity on earth. “Keep your hands off MY body” is a war-cry which is far more appealing to the American bourgeois mindset than “keep your troops out of our country,” “keep your cops out of our streets,” or “keep your hands off of our means to survival and the fruits of our labor.”

The United States has always been a hyper-individualist death cult. It is a society built for the wealthy few, and those they deem useful. Political education, activism, the non-profit world, and mass media are all reflective of this reality.

If we are to attain anything resembling justice for women in the United States, and women who are the victims of US imperialism abroad, it will be because our collective disillusionment reaches such a peak that a revolutionary party rises from the ashes of the American dream that never was.

What to do? Pessimism is understandably strong amongst the infinitesimal ranks of a principled American Left, and so if the opportunity presents itself, the instinct to leave this burning ship and build the power to bring it down elsewhere on earth, makes sense. But even then, something must rise from the ashes.

For those with the patience, it’s more time than ever to build popular, organized power in the United States. Whether this will happen within CPUSA, PSL, the left-wing of DSA, complete with their countless contradictions and shortcomings, or whether it will come with the simple empowerment of class consciousness and broadening of community self-defense (which includes measure for safe access to abortion) outside of the influence of the Democratic Party entirely, and the creation of an entity which has yet to be, remains to be seen.

But make no mistake, our allies in this fight are not in liberal arts institutions, they’re not on “Decolonization” panels, they’re not staffing NGOs, and most of all, they started shedding tears of outrage at America’s crimes long before their right to have an abortion in a state they’ve never been to was ever threatened.


And another:

https://off-guardian.org/2022/06/24/is- ... -abortion/
Is “Roe v. Wade” REALLY about abortion?

Kit Knightly

A few hours ago the Supreme Court of United States (SCOTUS) confirmed their ruling overturning Roe v. Wade, the case which set the precedent for abortion as a human right in the US back in the 1970s.

As soon as this decision was first “leaked” a few months ago it became the trending topic all across the US and to a certain extent the rest of the anglosphere. Since it was confirmed this afternoon, the already supercharged dialogue has reached new heights.

Pro-choice pundits, politicians and celebrities have been flooding the cyber public square with comparisons to the Handmaid’s Tale and other forced memes. They argue abortion-on-demand is a fundamental right, and take up the rather unsettling position that having an abortion is a point of pride.

On the other side of the divide Christians, traditionalists and republican politicians argue for the sanctity of all life, regardless of context or complication.

Both sides are entrenched to the point of hysteria, and not really looking like budging.

As with most things, the reasonable ground is somewhere in the middle.

Regardless of the law, women will sometimes seek out abortions, and it’s probably best they have access to safe, clean places to do so. That said, the use of abortions as a form of contraception is both obscene and impractical, and aborting viable mid or late term babies is revolting – both in concept, and in practice.

None of that really matters though, because the Roe v Wade finding isn’t even about abortion, it’s about Federal overreach. The Justices made that clear.

Though it has gotten lost in 250 years of ever-expanding centralization, the USA originated as a loose federation of quasi-independent states, with the central federal government having strictly limited powers to overrule local legislation.

Simply put, the Constitution lays out all the powers of the federal government, and anything not specifically mentioned therein is de facto a matter for states on an individual basis.

For decades federal governments used SCOTUS decisions to get around these limitations, relying on precedents rather than actual legislation in order to control state laws from Washington DC.

Roe v Wade is a classic example of this, and reversing it changes only one thing: abortion law will revert to a state-level matter, not a federal one.

…but is it even really just about that?

On a deeper level, there seems to be a prolonged campaign in place to violently divide the United States, perhaps to the point of outright civil war.

From Black Lives Matter to January 6th, the 2nd amendment to Roe v Wade, there is an increasing supply of hot-button issues accompanied by a deluge of divisive rhetoric.

Both sides are being encouraged to take to the streets, protest, mock, yell and scream without any search for common ground.

The office of the Presidency is degraded more every term, with a crass blowhard followed by a jittering dementia patient.

Some states are even openly talking about seceding.

At the end of the Cold War, Russia was economically raped and globally humiliated. It came within inches of shattering into a dozen or more failed states. As the big money players head East, and the hegemonic powers turn from the US Empire to a new globalist powerbase, you have to wonder if the US is destined for the same fate.

Just as the USSR had to fail, and be seen to fail pour encourager les autres, perhaps the US – with its history of individualism and personal liberty – is considered surplus to requirements in the new age of faux collectivism.

Whatever America became at its Imperial zenith, its constitutional foundation has always arguably been the most egalitarian on Earth. Could it be that those ideas enshrined in the Bill of Rights are considered an impediment to the “progressive” New World Order?

The US falling into failed statehood could even act as a moral lesson to the rest of the world, and be held up as a warning about what can happen when “liberty is taken too far”, or when people are allowed to “selfishly put their own rights ahead of the public good”.

Perhaps the US being torn apart – or encouraged to tear itself apart – is key to bringing about the next stage of the great reset.

One thing is for sure, no matter the endgame, US politics are dry tinder piled high, waiting for a spark.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:02 am

Is it really about producing more white babies? More non-white babies for wage slavery? More soldiers? They must know that future war will be fully automated. Is it really just sky-god fantasy? That I find most disbelievable.

Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:40 pm wrote:https://fergie.substack.com/p/roe-rever ... s-as-usual
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Petit Bourgeois individualism, the unending narrowness of the American "Left," and the Death Cult called the "United States"

What to do? Pessimism is understandably strong amongst the infinitesimal ranks of a principled American Left, and so if the opportunity presents itself, the instinct to leave this burning ship and build the power to bring it down elsewhere on earth, makes sense. But even then, something must rise from the ashes.

For those with the patience, it’s more time than ever to build popular, organized power in the United States. Whether this will happen within CPUSA, PSL, the left-wing of DSA, complete with their countless contradictions and shortcomings, or whether it will come with the simple empowerment of class consciousness and broadening of community self-defense (which includes measure for safe access to abortion) outside of the influence of the Democratic Party entirely, and the creation of an entity which has yet to be, remains to be seen.



This is already in-flight across probably hundreds of leftist community organizations (Cooperation Jackson, Working Families, etc), though class consciousness is most definitely emerging, and not in the "spontaneous" way we may have hoped for or expected before. It's more purposeful, the product of insanely hard work on the mutual aid front.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:13 am

On that note: birthdays are now mandatory.


To call this hyperbole would be too charitable.


Probably because it was a morbid joke. Tell me you didn't think I seriously meant that? Please.

As for the rest of your post, it's too long for me to bother responding properly right now, although it does contain a couple of fucked up zingers, like:
"Regardless of the law, women will sometimes seek out abortions, and it’s probably best they have access to safe, clean places to do so."


No fucking shit it's probably best that they don't kill themselves with DIY medical procedures.

Or how about this beauty:
"That said, the use of abortions as a form of contraception is both obscene and impractical"


Jesus Christ. Does this fucking moron (off-guardian, what a surprise!) really think women treat abortions like condoms? Just some casual thing you do? That has to be one of the most contemptible things I've seen on here in a long while.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby Marionumber1 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:13 pm

OffGuardian seems like one of those dime-a-dozen "alternative" left-wing sources that started out good but gradually began embracing bullshit because its authors have little capacity for discernment. Living through years of growing (and quite valid) disenchantment with establishment liberal and "left" groups, they eventually began thinking "Gee, maybe the conservatives actually have a point here", sometimes on issues (like COVID policy) where that's true but very often on issues where that's not remotely true at all.

I mean come on, is it seriously trying to both-sides the supposed extremism on the issue of abortion, as if the most "extreme" abortion rights adherents are comparable to those who believe women should be forced against their will to carry a pregnancy to term? Would it ever make such a comparison between, say, unbridled vaccine mandate pushers and bodily autonomy "extremists" who believe a vaccine should never be mandated no matter how dangerous the pandemic/safe the vaccine was shown to be? (I think we all know the answer is no.)

And has it seriously swallowed that conservative strawman about abortion-as-contraception being a remotely common practice/desire worth emphasizing?

If it's so concerned about this issue being used to divide the country, it should do better than to contribute to that itself.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:52 pm

I particularly enjoyed the headline: "Is “Roe v. Wade” REALLY about abortion?"

Hmmm, let's see:

- The republican party has been telling people to their face that they want to repeal Roe v. Wade for decades.
- Trump told the republican party he was going to pack the courts with conservative judges to repeal Roe v. Wade.
- The supreme court, with three shiny new Trump appointees, repealed Roe v. Wade.

I might be going out on a limb here, but I think it has something to do with abortion.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:47 pm

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You are, at times, irrevocably obtuse -- at least specific to your output here -- and continue to view the world, in many respects, exactly in the manner preferred by those pulling many of the narrative strings. But you do you. And I'll do me.

A disclaimer I shouldn't have to type, with respect to all content I share here: the links I include in a given post are not default endorsements of the content within the piece itself or source website/url.
More often than not I may agree with portions of an article/piece of writing while disagreeing with other aspects. In any case, discernment is critical for ALL sources.

I never claim to have it all right, or even largely right. Most of us are simply aiming to figure things out best we can, but I remain disappointed at the continued inability to reflect and re-assess the shifting goalposts; the seeming lack of awareness of the extent any one of us -- ALL OF US, even (particularly over the last ~2yrs) the 'highly educated' -- are susceptible to being fooled/marked.

This is my final addition to this thread. I plan to take a sabbatical from RI as I simply need to dedicate more of my spare time elsewhere for the foreseeable future, among other reasons.

Good luck, all of us, in deciphering the world.

Below, a few tweets by a combo of female and male handles, most if not all of whom identify, at least based on the profiles, as 'liberal' or formerly liberal. Interpret these free associations as you deem fit. Once more, sharing this content here does not = blanket endorsement of all comments, though I readily admit I align with at least some of the sentiment.

@angrybklynmom

I think a lot of liberal team reality friends are performing some mental gymnastics to downplay the significance of overturning Roe vs Wade.

It's natural, given that we have been traumatized by COVID bullshit for nearly 2.5 years now.

Many of us had built up the idea that conservatives were going to "save" us from government tyranny, and are now being given a reminder that they are eager to [move] us in a different type of tyranny.

It's not for me, or for anyone else, to dictate someone else's priorities.

I'm not going to lie - I come from a position of privilege knowing that a) I won't need an abortion, b) I have enough resources to get one for myself (lol) or my daughter, should it come to that.

And I am at a stage in life where I care a lot more about living a life free of medical authoritarianism, preserving the right to gather with our loved ones, to show our faces, to operate our businesses, to educate our children, to travel, and to determine our own risk tolerances

Please just stop it with the whole 'states rights' argument, as if this is somehow comforting.

You may not agree, but I want the federal government to protect basic individual rights for every citizen in the country.

Including freedom from COVID restrictions.

It's not comforting to know that individual states can strip people of basic rights and dignity and shove their personal and moral beliefs down the throats of their citizens.

I want the trend to go toward liberty for actual citizens.

@annbauerwriter
Replying to @angrybklynmom

I'm not downplaying. Had it happened 3 years ago, would have been the biggest political upset of my lifetime.

But NOTHING compares to the suppression of speech, assembly, civil rights & choice that came from the Left during the pandemic. My bar is now in a completely diff place.

@PezeshkiCharles
·Replying to @angrybklynmom

Agree -- and I feel like I'm in a totally different universe than many of the people I know when I bring this up.

Which isn't often. Because I'm such a pariah.

Bay Area Mom
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To me California abortion laws are extreme. A woman can choose to abort up to a day before viability for any reason for the sake of Women Bodily Autonomy. That is a baby.

There just has to be a sooner cut off date, but the pro-choice can't even admit there is a baby in there

@losgatosherman2
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Exactly. Allowing first trimester abortions while not later (barring a medical reason) is something that per the recent Gallup poll could gain wide support, even from some pro-lifers.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/11028721 ... reme-court

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I feel the same way you do. I’m amazed actually. I never thought I would be where I am politically. The left gutted me. They have created what I can only describe as a fight or flight reflex in me. In 2 short years.

It seems as if the left is demanding a national culture by fiat. At least with the right, they believe states should self-govern. That’s American democracy.

https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/statu ... DCy7Nr2fiQ

Of course, there is no democracy. Perhaps there never was, but there certainly hasn't been even the appearance of democracy since the advent of the 21st century, minimally.

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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:22 pm

No matter how messed up the right gets you will find some reason to complain about the left.

You keep dragging covid into it, but this has been in the works for literally decades, out in the open. It happened now because this was the first time they had the judges to do it, not because it's part of some grand great reset plan designed to divide you. You're divided because there are real divisions (and yes, they're being played up and exploited by the ruling class, but they would be there even without that), and the minority just demonstrated that division in a very fucked up way.
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Postby drstrangelove » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:59 pm

DrEvil » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:22 pm wrote:No matter how messed up the right gets you will find some reason to complain about the left.

Is the inverse not true for you as well?

While the left trample on liberties the right builds up goodwill, which they then use to trample on more liberties, thus allowing the left to recoup goodwill, which they can further use to trample on more liberties, so that the right can recoup theirs and perpetuate the cycle ceaselessly.

The right trampled on liberties with terror laws while the left built up goodwill.

The left trampled on liberties with pandemic laws while the right built up goodwill.

The right is now trampling on liberties so the left can recoup goodwill.

The most responsible position to take on the abortion issue is one which supports female bodily autonomy while also minimizing the lefts ability to build goodwill on the issue of bodily autonomy, which is something they do not believe in. Same was true for vaccine mandates. The most responsible position was one that supported bodily autonomy while minimizing the rights ability to build goodwill on the issue of bodily autonomy, which is something they do not believe in.

You appear to have recognized this only in the latter instance, and have somewhat of an emotional reaction when the two are united into the same category, that being bodily autonomy. which is where they both belong. As opposed to divided into separate issues more or less arbitrarily defined by ideology. As you've done with the following comment:

Yeah, because being hunted down and thrown in jail for getting raped is totally the same as risking your job for refusing the vaccine.


You've taken the most extreme implication from the abortion autonomy issue and compared it qualitatively against the most mild implication from the vaccine autonomy issue. There's no need for this.

Like I've said elsewhere, I think people who believe in bodily autonomy should have it, but those who don't shouldn't.
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Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:13 pm

How the fuck hard is it to be ethically consistent and thus a bodily autonomy absolutist on both the issues of abortion rights and the right to informed consent for all medical products and interventions?

Why do I have to choose one or the other? Why do I have to apologize for not believing in one or freaking out about one more strongly than the other? What the fuck is it with these constant fallacious, fake, bullshit "left vs. right" litmus tests?

Only a woman can make the final decision about what transpires with her own reproductive system. And only each human can make the final decision about what gets injected into his, her, or their individual body. No coercion concerning either of these decisions is ever acceptable. That used to be the default position almost every leftist I knew. It is still my default position. Do I really need to apologize for this for some reason? If so, why?
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Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:48 pm

Relax, stickdog -- who on this thread has disagreed with that? Did I miss something?
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:50 pm

No, you didn't miss anything.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:35 pm

Two pages deep and nothing about the Franklin Scandal, Lawrence King, Clarence Thomas, Joe Biden, Opus Dei, Catholic Information Center, the Federalist Society, Knights of Malta, Margaret Sanger, Havelock Ellis, Norma McCorvey, Henry Wade, Dallas Masons, Texas Methodists, or Ruth Bader Ginsburg's zingers about "population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of."

I love you guys, but fuck, I can get commentary about Politico articles anywhere.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:00 pm

dude - you're talking 'post graduate' level topics while a percentage here insist on remaining on surface-level interpretations of the grand chessboard.

[cue rolling of the eyes, partially merited]

Futile to touch on things 2,3 levels deep when there remains plenty of interest on the surface level diversions (with a couple exceptions in these first 2 pages) that continue to lure and snag so many. The Politico piece seemed necessary, at that point, given the comment(s) that preceded it. There was a time when such a piece wasn't warranted here, as the discourse was already thinking behind the scenes.

Seems there's been a bit of regression. Consistent with the current zeitgeist, after all.
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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:41 pm

While I'm here:

drstrangelove » Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:59 pm wrote:
Yeah, because being hunted down and thrown in jail for getting raped is totally the same as risking your job for refusing the vaccine.


You've taken the most extreme implication from the abortion autonomy issue and compared it qualitatively against the most mild implication from the vaccine autonomy issue. There's no need for this.

Like I've said elsewhere, I think people who believe in bodily autonomy should have it, but those who don't shouldn't.


minor quibble with the quoted bit on the salient points you [drstrangelove] raise: losing one's job is certainly not the most mild consequence of non-compliance to vaccine mandates. Particularly for the working classes or those with dependents, losing one's employment may have notable/substantial impact to livelihood, well-being and/or base necessities. Perhaps a better comparison would be the mandates preventing freedom of movement or commerce as the 'mildest' repercussion for non-compliance.

In any event, I agree with this sentiment: "I think people who believe in bodily autonomy should have it, but those who don't shouldn't."

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Re: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v Wade

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:25 pm

2 pages in and I see something else, sorry.

Seems to be all boys in here.

Some are at least acknowledging it is bad how the unelected right-wing lifetime SC majority has allowed the state to force women to breed, which was once (at around the time of the XIII amendment, for example) understood correctly as a main form of involuntary servitude, meaning slavery.

Also, that this is the product of a 50-year social movement funded by deep pockets on the right and at the top, who have mobilized the followers as part of their voting army, for their own reasons.

Also, that this SC is completely out of control and undertaking a form of legislative coup on every front and prefiguring the continued coup. (Talking, even correctly, about Bad Democrats or Bad Globalism does not in any way invalidate this observation.)

Meanwhile, there are a few of you who seem upset that, for some reason, this thread is not focusing mainly if not exclusively on the same subject currently found in about half the threads on the board, covid and vaccines.

And now there's a bit of invocation of tangential or parallel or obliquely relevant alt-research subjects that actually have been trod upon often in RI history, as if it's some kind of intellectual failure not to promptly provide citations to the whole canon thereof.

Seems like a distraction from the ongoing criminal enterprise. Seems like, to an extent, some of you prefer blindness to this particular beast and denial that it is manifesting and howling and smashing up the place.

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