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Postby Grizzly » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:35 pm

^^^

But, but...the BASS PLAYER!
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Grizzly » Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:10 am

Ukraine war veterans on how Kiev plundered US aid, wasted soldiers, endangered civilians, and lost the war. “The weapons are stolen, the humanitarian aid is stolen, and we have no idea where the billions sent to this country have gone,...”


https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

But, that fink ployd bass player!!!???
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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:57 am

Anyone know how the long-awaited Kherson offensive is doing? Last I heard it was finally launched a couple of days ago, totally breaking through the Russian lines, killing countless Orcs, seizing territories, pushing through on the way to, dunno, Moscow itself.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Grizzly » Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:04 pm

What is worse than 1700 soldiers killed in the much-vaunted Kherson offensive?

After dispatching 60 special forces to attack the ZNPP nucular plant - who were annihilated - 404 Military command (at the behest of NATO advisors) sent up to 300 soldiers to their deaths when their ‘attack barges’ were sunk. Attack barges. Sent in after their advance attack was thwarted. Attack barges.

This has to stop. NATO is committing genocide on the people of 404. ‘Useless butchery.”


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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:19 pm

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Translation (or at least, claims of an accurate translation; I don't speak or read Russian, so can't confirm) of a recent Putin speech:

Putin: "The End of Western Hegemony is INEVITABLE"

This is a reproduction of my live Twitter summary/translation of Vladimir Putin's speech:

I wish every single person in the West would listen to Putin's speech. Obviously, that won't happen so let me summarise as a professional translator for 10+ years. He states, as he has done from the outset, what his intentions and complaints are in the plainest terms possible.

Setting aside his brief comments on the recent "referendums", he spends most of his speech discussing the West. His primary complaint isn't NATO expansion, which gets only a cursory mention.

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The West is greedy and seeks to enslave and colonise other nations, like Russia.

The West uses the power of finance and technology to enforce its will on other nations. To collect what he calls the "hegemon's tax". To this end the West destabilises countries, creates terrorist enclaves and most of all seeks to deprive other countries of sovereignty.

It is this "avarice" and desire to preserve its power that is the reason for the "hybrid war" the collective West is "waging on Russia". They want us to be a "colony". They do not want us to be free, they want Russians to be a mob of soulless slaves - direct quote.

The rules-based order the West goes on about is "nonsense". Who made these rules? Who agreed to them? Russia is an ancient country and civilization and we will not play by these "rigged" rules. The West has no moral authority to challenge the referendums because it has violated the borders of other countries. Western elites are "totalitarian, despotic and apartheidistic" - direct quote. They are racist against Russia and other countries and nations. "Russophobia is racism". They discriminate by calling themselves the "civilised world".

They colonised, started the global slave trade, genocided native Americans, pillaged India and Africa, forced China to buy opium through war. We, on the other hand, are proud that we "led" the anti-colonial movement that helped countries develop to reduce poverty and inequality.

They are Russophobic (they hate us) because we didn't allow our country to be pillaged by creating a strong CENTRALISED (emphasis his) state based on Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism. They have been trying to destabilise our country since the 17th century in the Times of Trouble. Eventually, they managed to "get their hands on our riches" at the end of the 20th century. They called us friends and partners while pumping out trillions of dollars (his irony game is strong today).

We remember this. We didn't forget. The West claims to bring freedom and democracy to other countries but it's the exact opposite of the truth. The unipolar world is anti-democratic by its very nature. It is a lie. They used nuclear weapons, creating a precedent. They flattened German cities without "any military need to do so". There was no need for this except to scare us and the rest of the world. Korea, Vietnam. To this day they "occupy" Japan, South Korea and Germany and other countries while cynically calling them "allies".

The West has surveillance over the leaders of these nations who "swallow these insults like the slaves they are".

He then talks about bioweapon research (haven't heard about them for a while) and human experiments "including in Ukraine".

The US rules the world by the power of the fist. Any country which seeks to challenge Western hegemony becomes an enemy. Their neocolonialism is cloaked in lies like "containment" of Russia, China and Iran. The concept of truth has been destroyed with fakes and extreme propaganda (irony game still strong).

You cannot feed your people with printed dollars and social media. You need food and energy. But Western elites have no desire to find a solution to the food and energy crises *they* (emphasis his) created.

They solved the problems at the start of 20c with WW1 and the US established dominance of the world via the dollar as a result of WW2. In the 80s they had another crisis they solved by "plundering our country". Now they want to solve their problems by "breaking Russia".

Russia "understands its responsibility to the international community" and will "do everything to cool the heads of these neocolonials who are destined to fail".

They're crazy. I want to speak to all Russian citizens, do we want to replace mum and dad with parent 1 and 2?

They invented genders and claim you can "transition". Do we want this for our children?

We have a different vision.

They have abandoned religion and embraced Satanism - direct quote.

The world is going through a revolutionary transformation. A multipolar world offers nations freedom to develop as they wish and they make up the majority of the world.

We have many like-minded friends in Western countries. We see and appreciate their support. They are forming liberation, anti-colonial movements as we speak - direct quote. These will only grow.

We are fighting for a fair world for our country. The idea of exceptionalism is criminal and we must turn this shameful page. The breaking of the West's hegemony is INEVITABLE (emphasis his).

There is no going back. We are fighting for our "great (as in big), historic Russia". Our values are (irony game crescendo): love of our fellow man, compassion and mercy.

Truth is with us, Russia is with us.

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From a prelim reading, it's interesting to note a few instances of similar themes to the speech given by Georgia Meloni [new Italian PM], shared in the WEF thread recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tno6nPT66RM
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:19 pm

The West is greedy and seeks to enslave and colonise other nations


Said the guy who just invaded another country and annexed a good chunk of it (again), and threatened to use nukes to protect the annexed areas. Not that he's wrong about most of his complaints about the west (minus the religion and family bullshit, which is just code for "respect authority blindly" and "it's okay to discriminate against and harass people who are different". Same regressive shit Meloni is pushing), but fucking hell, that's some weapons grade cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:01 pm

(minus the religion and family bullshit, which is just code for "respect authority blindly" and "it's okay to discriminate against and harass people who are different". Same regressive shit Meloni is pushing)


If by religion, you also mean more recent secular religion by way of "The Science" and related dogma (not to be confused with genuine science), then yes.

By the way, "family" and "religion", on their own, are not harmful by default. To the contrary, actually. Most that have a core sense of family and religion keep to themselves, particularly if they're earnest in intent. The problem is when terms like "religion" are used for dogmatic purposes, or by those in power. Organized religion, for example, has historically been bad for swaths of people over many generations. More recently, the Modern West has largely replaced historical organized religion and its abuse of populations with the dogma of "The Science".

If you don't see the parallels between "The Science" (as a vehicle for fascism/totalitarianism) in more or less the same way you (broad brush) criticize "Religion" and "Family", you are suffering from the same cognitive dissonance as you claim of others.

Putin is a politician, so he will use words as politicians do. Much of his words, with respect to the West -- at least in the above translation -- have elements of truth to it, as you acknowledge. There is no benevolent force of power in the world right now, certainly not among first world nations and their proxies (NATO, WEF, etc.). Putin is not benevolent. But he, and Meloni, are clearly tapping into a growing source of ire among a growing segment of populations; a growing count of people are passionately angry for understandable reasons (even though, as is the case with practically all powerful politicians, they will tap into this rightful opposition to current Western agendas and utilize it for ends that surely will have their own detriments to the Common Human).

There is nothing more regressive than those that aim to appropriate the word "science", mutilate it, and then convert it into dogma and zealotry/idolatry, for profit and for control. This is what the West, and their allies, have done. And all the "liberals" (and/or any other groups) that follow this bastardized/insulting form of "science" are no different than the idol worshippers of yore, and no less dangerous, so long as they participate -- actively or passively -- in the banishment/ostracism, or worse, of those that dare oppose their 'God'. The past ~2 yrs are a testament to the shameful and egregious acts committed against those that refused to subscribe to this secular dogma. And all throughout, the idol worshippers cheered on or passively observed in silent compliance.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:19 pm

But they're just replacing one form of authoritarianism with another. Same shit, different wrapping.

And of course family and religion aren't harmful by default (okay, not entirely sure about religion). What's harmful is when you decide that family and religion should be defined as a narrow subset and then enforce it at the expense of everyone who falls outside that narrow definition. No more bodily autonomy for women, no more gay rights beyond the right to exist and shut up about it, and trans people are probably lurking in a public bathroom, ready to molest your children.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Harvey » Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:24 pm

DrEvil » Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:19 am wrote:But they're just replacing one form of authoritarianism with another. Same shit, different wrapping.


Despite your talk of autonomy, clearly, you feel entitled to manage their affairs better than they can. Otherwise what is actually happening all around you would be very easy to describe.

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Imagine if when Germany had entered Sudetenland, Hitler had claimed that it was a humanitarian mission to destroy the WMD and liberate the people, it would have been at least another twenty years before some of the people realised they were in a world war, even though the Czech's, the socialists, the communists, trades-unionists and Jews were in no doubt.

Why do you suppose that a certain type of well placed professional, the world over, has been quietly building bombshelters underneath their exclusively located addresses?
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:34 pm

Can probably get a good idea of how the war is actually going now that Russia has officially annexed territory in Ukraine. Clearly defined objective to fight over. No more fog of war.

If Russia maintains administrative control of annexed territories, Russia is winning war.

If Ukraine regains administrative control of annexed territories, Ukraine is winning war.

Nice and simple.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:07 pm

Harvey » Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:24 am wrote:
DrEvil » Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:19 am wrote:But they're just replacing one form of authoritarianism with another. Same shit, different wrapping.


Despite your talk of autonomy, clearly, you feel entitled to manage their affairs better than they can. Otherwise what is actually happening all around you would be very easy to describe.

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Imagine if when Germany had entered Sudetenland, Hitler had claimed that it was a humanitarian mission to destroy the WMD and liberate the people, it would have been at least another twenty years before some of the people realised they were in a world war, even though the Czech's, the socialists, the communists, trades-unionists and Jews were in no doubt.

Why do you suppose that a certain type of well placed professional, the world over, has been quietly building bombshelters underneath their exclusively located addresses?


I feel entitled to have an opinion, and that opinion is that opposing the creeping scientific/technological authoritarianism BelSav talked about with the more traditional emotional authoritarianism espoused by the likes of Meloni is stupid. Replacing a pile of shit with another pile of shit still leaves you with a pile of shit. It might have a slightly different odor, but neither one is going to stop US hegemony or Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Best case there's still people on the planet in ten years, and if a bunch of rich fucks want to reenact Threads in their personal bunkers, have at it and good luck. Personally I'm running towards the nearest ground zero as soon as the sirens start.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:49 pm

DrEvil » Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:07 pm wrote:Replacing a pile of shit with another pile of shit still leaves you with a pile of shit. It might have a slightly different odor, but neither one is going to stop US hegemony or Russia's invasion of Ukraine.


To call this commentary facile would be too charitable.

The scales are decidedly not level right now, as you suggest. The West/WEF (over the last ~couple years) are a markedly more pervasive and intrusive threat to the common human than just about any other threat we've faced in the modern era.

Also: Russia's invasion of the Ukraine was not unprovoked, clearly.

Whatever Putin or Meloni may offer right now -- and it can't be clearly/directly compared to anything else, despite feeble attempts to do so -- they're (overtly, at least) operating on the defensive, against a global affront to livelihoods everywhere.

That said, as I already indicated in my prior comment, they are both politicians; as such, most of this -- their speeches, and any response, etc. -- is spectacle; theatre. Repercussions will be real, to be clear, but the stage-setting leading up to the direct impact at the individual/community levels is where the spectacle comes in. We speculate (or at least, I speculate) outwardly-facing enemies -- or perhaps more precisely, their handlers -- are striking deals or coming to tentative agreements that may or may not play out as planned; there are possible outlier scenarios and unpredictable potential outcomes. Or so I'd like to believe.

But without a doubt, It's the West/WEF (and all their counterparts) that have been the egregious aggressors of late. A counter to such an affront is inevitable.

The average human would do well to perform various acts of civil disobedience and/or non-compliance to help stifle the propaganda from all sides. But I've little hope the average human will rise to the occasion anytime soon (particularly en masse), certainly not before things get measurably worse than they already are.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby DrEvil » Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:06 am

Belligerent Savant » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:49 am wrote:
DrEvil » Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:07 pm wrote:Replacing a pile of shit with another pile of shit still leaves you with a pile of shit. It might have a slightly different odor, but neither one is going to stop US hegemony or Russia's invasion of Ukraine.


To call this commentary facile would be too charitable.

The scales are decidedly not level right now, as you suggest. The West/WEF (over the last ~couple years) are a markedly more pervasive and intrusive threat to the common human than just about any other threat we've faced in the modern era.


They're both fascist systems in the making, and in case you hadn't noticed they're both gaining ground. They're just arguing about who specifically they should be fucking over, and how. The end result is large scale misery either way, because none of these people have your best interests at heart. Not the WEF or NATO or Putin or Meloni. They're all fucking scum, and they should all be opposed.

Also: Russia's invasion of the Ukraine was not unprovoked, clearly.


And? Putin was still dumb enough to react to the provocations in the most destructive and idiotic way possible, to the point where he's now threatening to use tactical nukes. And what the Hell did he expect would happen? Invade Ukraine and everyone else just goes, well clearly this is not a man to be fucked with, we'd all better back off?

Whatever Putin or Meloni may offer right now -- and it can't be clearly/directly compared to anything else, despite feeble attempts to do so -- they're (overtly, at least) operating on the defensive, against a global affront to livelihoods everywhere.

That said, as I already indicated in my prior comment, they are both politicians; as such, most of this -- their speeches, and any response, etc. -- is spectacle; theatre. Repercussions will be real, to be clear, but the stage-setting leading up to the direct impact at the individual/community levels is where the spectacle comes in. We speculate (or at least, I speculate) outwardly-facing enemies -- or perhaps more precisely, their handlers -- are striking deals or coming to tentative agreements that may or may not play out as planned; there are possible outlier scenarios and unpredictable potential outcomes. Or so I'd like to believe.

But without a doubt, It's the West/WEF (and all their counterparts) that have been the egregious aggressors of late. A counter to such an affront is inevitable.


Russia invades and annexes large parts of Ukraine, and then threatens to use nukes if Ukraine tries to take it back, and the west/WEF are the aggressors? How about this: both sides can go fuck themselves right off a cliff. The West instigated it and Putin did it.

The average human would do well to perform various acts of civil disobedience and/or non-compliance to help stifle the propaganda from all sides. But I've little hope the average human will rise to the occasion anytime soon (particularly en masse), certainly not before things get measurably worse than they already are.


People are, at least in Russia. Young men are risking long prison terms by leaving Russia in their thousands, and recruitment offices are being torched all over the place (54 last I checked).
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Harvey » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:36 am

DrEvil » Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:06 am wrote:...and then threatens to use nukes if Ukraine tries to take it back...



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