Which was the case that introduced trauma-based mind control

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Which was the case that introduced trauma-based mind control

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:54 am

Where did the theory of trauma-based mind control as a motive for state sponsored child abuse originate? Was it always known as an adjuct of MK-Ultra? I assume it was the limited part of the hangout as all the books i've read on MK like to focus on drugging college students with psychedelics.

I had been absolutely naive to the fact this had been a central theme of rigint in years past and have only recently come across any thorough explanation of it in the David McGowan book Programmed To Kill.

Is there a case which brought this to light? Or is this a theory that evolved from bits and pieces of information accumulated over time.
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Re: Which was the case that introduced trauma-based mind con

Postby semper occultus » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:20 am

I don't know although afaik there is no patient zero for TBMC as an idea.

if you search Bowart's Operation Mind Control original edition from 1978 the word trauma only appears twice :

many men were unable to say just what had caused their loss of memory. In some cases, it was obviously a result of the trauma of war—what came to be called "the post-Vietnam syndrome."

I must also state that the trauma that I have undergone as a result of being surreptitiously administered this drug


https://archive.org/details/OperationMi ... Bowart1978

When you check the 2nd edition 1994 it has 105 mentions - many in connection with TBMC aimed particularly at children & in connection with ritual abuse

https://archive.org/details/OperationMi ... ersEdition

the idea of people torturing very young children in some sort of systematic really had no sort of place in the public consciousness or culture until the SRA issue hit the headlines - which is why it became an incendiary issue & surely explains the difference between the 2 Bowart narratives. Although Michelle Remembers was published in 1980 so not too long after Bowart's original book.
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Re: Which was the case that introduced trauma-based mind con

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:46 pm

Sorry for being brief, but: when I looked into this awhile back I settled on L. Ron's talks about "pain drug hypnosis" as the progenitor. There were a lot of similar accounts in fiction, which made me wonder how far Skinner and his ilk were really going. There are likely far older unwritten traditions in immigrant communities surrounding this, especially Germans. There were also several survivor accounts describing very specific, medical, non-Satanic trauma conditioning experiments before Michelle Remembers / SRA material caught on. Mostly military families / bases. Will dig tonight if I have time; likely don't.
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Re: Which was the case that introduced trauma-based mind con

Postby liminalOyster » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:42 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:46 pm wrote:Sorry for being brief, but: when I looked into this awhile back I settled on L. Ron's talks about "pain drug hypnosis" as the progenitor. There were a lot of similar accounts in fiction, which made me wonder how far Skinner and his ilk were really going. There are likely far older unwritten traditions in immigrant communities surrounding this, especially Germans. There were also several survivor accounts describing very specific, medical, non-Satanic trauma conditioning experiments before Michelle Remembers / SRA material caught on. Mostly military families / bases. Will dig tonight if I have time; likely don't.


Following Wombat, if I'm not mistaken (which is entirely a possibility), there is some reference to left/right brain hemisphere manipulations in Julian Jayne's Bicameral Mind book, or closely contemporaneous with it and in reference to it. Certainly appears the basic concept is present in ancient Egypt, IIRC. Though it's been quite a while.
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Re: Which was the case that introduced trauma-based mind con

Postby elfismiles » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:10 pm

brainwashing through torture / trauma induction certainly was written about in William Sargant's mid-50s book:

Battle for the Mind: A Physiology of Conversion and Brainwashing. London: Heinemann; New York: Doubleday (1957); Cambridge, MA: Malor Books (1997). ISBN 1883536065.

But... "as a motive for state sponsored child abuse" ... ??? ... I'd ask, "when was the first mention of Project Monarch"? Would that be Cathy O'Brien's 1995 book?

Project Monarch
O'Brien alleges that she was abducted by the CIA as a child and forced to participate in a mind control program named Project Monarch, which is said to be a subsection of MKULTRA and Project ARTICHOKE.[1][2][3][4][5]

O'Brien claims that, as part of Monarch, she was forced to serve as "a top-level intelligence agent and White House sex slave" for (among others) Hillary Rodham Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter[3] with West Virginia Senator Robert C. Byrd working as her handler for the latter part of her time in the program. She states that she remained in the program until 1988 when she was rescued by Mark Phillips, who she claims is a former CIA operative.[6][1][2][4][5]

O'Brien alleges that her daughter Kelly (born 1980), currently a ward of the state of Tennessee, is also a victim of Monarch.[6]

Of O'Brien, religion scholar Matthias Gardell writes:

“ O'Brien claims to have been abused since she was a toddler. Forced to partake in satanic sadomasochistic child pornography movies produced for Gerald Ford, she was eventually sold to the CIA, which was looking for traumatized children for their mind-control program ...

https://mind-control.fandom.com/en/wiki/Cathy_O%27Brien
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Re: Which was the case that introduced trauma-based mind con

Postby drstrangelove » Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:08 am

From McGowan's Programmed to Kill:

the basic methodology was revealed decades ago by George Estabrooks - a prominent psychologist/hypnotist under contract to the intelligence services - in his book Hypnotism, first published nearly six decades ago, in 1943.

. . .

Estabrooks only alludes to the severe trauma required to create a true multiple, often euphemistically referring to the trauma as a form of hypnosis. At one point he notes that "[several personalities] are primarily caused by some form of hypnosis! We will see that emotional shock produces exactly the same results as hypnosis.” He later gets closer to grim reality when he says: “Multiple personality could be both caused and cured by hypnosis. Remember that war is a sombre business."



In 1959 Esterbrooks applied to The National Institute of Mental Health to fund his proposed study: "Hypnotism in Juvenile Delinquency". The National Institution of Mental Health was at the time a cutout for MKUltra subprojects.(mentioned in senate hearing: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sit ... kultra.pdf)

In the research proposal Estabrooks writes:

"This study would be primarily a field investigation of the effectiveness of hypnotherapy as a technique for redirecting the behavior of juvenile delinquents. The proposed research is original."
. . .
“It is quite likely that in a large proportion, say, 50 per cent, of the cases classed as juvenile delinquents, hypnotherapy offers a promising approach. While one out of five adults are good hypnotic subjects, four out of five children fall in this category.”
. . .
The first step would be to secure access to a number of juvenile delinquents through the cooperation of the courts and the parents. This would require very careful planning in view of the novelty of the proposal.

- page 26, https://documents.theblackvault.com/doc ... s-fbi2.pdf

In August 1961 MKUltra Subproject 136: 'Experimental Analysis of Extrasensory Perception' was approved for funding.

In working with individual subjects, special attention will be given to disassociative states, which tend to accompany spontaneous ESP experiences.  Such states can be induced or controlled to some extent with hypnosis and drugs. Some of this work will make use of qualitative stimuli, such as drawings and ideas with special associations. . .


The data used in this study will be obtained from group ESP experiments which have yielded significant results, nigh
scoring subjects (including control series and records taken after they 'lost their ability), from special groups
such as psychotics, children and mediums, and from psychological and educational tests. . .

In other cases drugs and psychological tricks will be used to modify his attitudes. The experimenters will be particularly interested in disassociative states, from the abaissment de niveau mental to multiple personality in so-called mediums, and an attempt will be made to induce a number of states of this kind, using hypnosis.”

- https://ia601207.us.archive.org/6/items ... 017395.pdf


So it actually was an MKUltra thing. Started in the 60s/70s as speculative research then was outsourced to sadist pedophile groups in the 1980s when these spooks realized that it actually worked but was so fucking cruel they needed further separation from it. And so we get the 'satanic panic'.
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