US Presidential Election 2024

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:17 am

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It appears I called it back in October 23rd:

Belligerent Savant » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:38 pm wrote:
.. increasingly, I’m leaning towards the notion that this election will not be close, at all.
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For DrEvil and others of similar mindset, perhaps take a step back and consider/reflect on the following:


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I love the way all these network pundits are acting like America’s rejection of Kamala is a matter of flawed “messaging” and “campaign strategy” and not the destructive, anti-democratic, power-abusing, human-rights-violating, censorious, dogmatic policies of the last 4 years that have made the average American’s life substantially worse.


...or, continue to insist your worldview is the correct one, despite blarings demonstrating otherwise.

Trump is certainly not an answer or solution to current societal ills, but he is clearly a byproduct of deep flaws/broad-scale affronts against the people.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:12 am

Some random person's (layman's, yet observant) take --

Matt, Preschool Diploma
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Democrats, before you commiserate any more in disbelief over how America could elect someone so irredeemable, you would best be served by taking a hard look in the mirror. It's not him. It's you.

From your comfortable coastal and urban bubbles of like thinkers, you view fully half the nation with contempt and mockery. You and your institutions are right, they are wrong. To the point where you freely lie to them and hide behind the cloak of supposed "expertise."...

During COVID, when it became obvious lockdown policies were folly, you dug in harder. You sold the lies that cloth masks were vital to combat illness. That our children had to stay home from school to protect unionized teachers, and when they showed up to eat separated in bubbles

You mandated the stupid masks and ineffective shots until the courts stopped you. You cynically and scornfully accused anyone who debated you with data of being anti-science and consulting "Dr. Google," despite the fact renowned scientists - just not yours -agreed with us...

In the cloud and misery of the COVID era, you got us to narrowly elect a hollowed-out carcass of a declining soon-to-be octogenarian to serve as figurehead of an unelected shadow government. When we questioned his mental acuity, you derided us as cheap fake conspiracy theorists.

When the excess government money you - and your predecessor - flooded us with like a narcotic inevitably caused rampant inflation, you trotted out partisan economists ("experts" again) to mock our concerns, telling us we were imagining that the $8 box of cereal used to cost $4..

While we were concerned about affording groceries, you lied even more brazenly about other topics, pushing the envelope on allowing biological men to compete in women's sports under the guise of inclusion, and continuing to divide the populace on superficial aspects like race..

Finally, when the nominal president's cognitive decline became too obvious to ignore, you forced him out and instantaneously replaced him with the vacuous Customer Success Manager who had helped conceal his true cognitive state for 4 years, without so much as a vote...

The vacuous Customer Success Manager initially seemed nice with her smiles and declarations of "Joy," but within weeks it became apparent she was unable or unwilling to directly answer a single question about what she would do. "Joy" was a cynical facade for hating the other guy.

Given all of the above, is it any wonder that we chose, resoundingly, one of the most broadly unpopular presidents of modern times over you? We had all had enough of your dishonest condescension.

It's not him. It's you. Improve yourself, Democrats. Or prepare to keep losing.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby DrEvil » Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:27 pm

Belligerent Savant » Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:17 am wrote:.
It appears I called it back in October 23rd:

Belligerent Savant » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:38 pm wrote:
.. increasingly, I’m leaning towards the notion that this election will not be close, at all.
...


For DrEvil and others of similar mindset, perhaps take a step back and consider/reflect on the following:


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@AJKayWriter
I love the way all these network pundits are acting like America’s rejection of Kamala is a matter of flawed “messaging” and “campaign strategy” and not the destructive, anti-democratic, power-abusing, human-rights-violating, censorious, dogmatic policies of the last 4 years that have made the average American’s life substantially worse.


...or, continue to insist your worldview is the correct one, despite blarings demonstrating otherwise.

Trump is certainly not an answer or solution to current societal ills, but he is clearly a byproduct of deep flaws/broad-scale affronts against the people.


https://x.com/AJKayWriter/status/1854048616622756043


There's not much to reflect on - I just think Trump is even worse (I'm not even remotely pro-Harris), which is why I find this whole thing so fucking frustrating. It's like America had a bad water leak and decided to burn down the house to fix it. I honestly think that in four years you'll be worse off than you would have been under Harris. Probably not great under either of them, but worse with Trump. On the bright side, the billionaires will be okay.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:54 pm

I agree with your analysis. Those who voted for Trump to stick their thumbs in the eye of our corrupt ruling class basically cast a righteous protest vote for an even worse choice. But with working people hurting more than ever and the entire Democratic party appealing only to the professional managerial class using banal, condescending corporate happyspeak, what the hell did anyone expect would happen?

Note to Democrats: It was not "poor messaging." It was the condescending, censorious, war mongering, genocide cheerleading, "we fixed inflation", "men are women", union busting, "class has nothing to do with this", "we own the media so we can pretend whatever we want" gaslighting.

It's the message that the only way to "protect democracy" is to rescind it and repeal the First Amendment. Most importantly, it's the lack of any admission that anything that the ruling class has done to the working class over the past 40 years--from the total corporate capture of all major media outlets and regulatory agencies to globalization to neocon forever wars to COVID-19 mandates and lockdowns to the continual bank and oligopoly bailouts--requires any sort of rectitude.

From a purely strategic point of view, it comes down to trying to appeal to a populace that despises the reigning establishment by berating them for despising the reigning establishment while proudly taking up the mantle of the reigning establishment.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby DrEvil » Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:07 pm

Yeah, it's the same shit you see everywhere else: people are unhappy, along comes a strongman asshole promising easy fixes and setting up marginalized groups as the enemy. Shitstorm ensues.

Trump is about to shift the Overton Window even further right, and that's not bouncing back any time soon.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Elihu » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:37 pm

what are the script writers up to?
But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:46 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:54 pm wrote:I agree with your analysis. Those who voted for Trump to stick their thumbs in the eye of our corrupt ruling class basically cast a righteous protest vote for an even worse choice. But with working people hurting more than ever and the entire Democratic party appealing only to the professional managerial class using banal, condescending corporate happyspeak, what the hell did anyone expect would happen?

Note to Democrats: It was not "poor messaging." It was the condescending, censorious, war mongering, genocide cheerleading, "we fixed inflation", "men are women", union busting, "class has nothing to do with this", "we own the media so we can pretend whatever we want" gaslighting.

It's the message that the only way to "protect democracy" is to rescind it and repeal the First Amendment. Most importantly, it's the lack of any admission that anything that the ruling class has done to the working class over the past 40 years--from the total corporate capture of all major media outlets and regulatory agencies to globalization to neocon forever wars to COVID-19 mandates and lockdowns to the continual bank and oligopoly bailouts--requires any sort of rectitude.

From a purely strategic point of view, it comes down to trying to appeal to a populace that despises the reigning establishment by berating them for despising the reigning establishment while proudly taking up the mantle of the reigning establishment.


This piece here makes a few related observations:

https://stylman.substack.com/p/we-didnt ... atic-party

We Didn't Change, The Democratic Party Did

A Letter to My Liberal Friends


Joshua Stylman
Nov 06, 2024

Let me start by saying I loathe politics. I've always been drawn to liberal ideas—individual freedom, protecting the vulnerable, questioning authority, and the fundamental belief that consenting adults should be free to live their lives however they choose as long as they're not harming others. These aren't political positions to me; they're basic human principles. But the game of politics itself repulses me. What I'm about to share isn't about politics; it's about our shared reality and how we've lost touch with it.

The Mindvirus

What's truly mind-numbing to me is how people don't see what's happening right in front of them. The media has devolved into nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece for the establishment, programming people to react rather than think. I've experienced this firsthand: When I drew historical comparisons between vaccine mandates and 1933 Germany's early authoritarian policies, I was instantly labeled an extremist and cancelled by my NYC community. Yet now, these same people casually call everyone at Trump's MSG rally Nazis. The irony would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

My Liberal Foundation

I still believe deeply in core liberal principles:

Genuine free speech, not the controlled corporate version we see today

Standing against establishment overreach

Opposing unchecked corporate power

Fighting against unnecessary wars

Complete bodily autonomy - your body, your choice, in ALL contexts

Defending individual rights consistently, not selectively

These aren't just political positions—they're principles about human dignity and freedom.

The Democratic Party's Transformation

The Democratic Party's drift from these values didn't happen overnight. Many of us, exhausted by Bush's brutal wars, lies about weapons of mass destruction, and the Patriot Act's assault on civil liberties, invested our hopes in Obama's promise of change. But instead of the transformation we sought, we got what felt like Bush's third and fourth terms.

Under Obama, we watched as corporate influence grew stronger, not weaker. The Snowden revelations exposed massive surveillance programs. The housing crisis devastated ordinary Americans while Wall Street got bailouts. Rather than challenging institutional power, the Democratic establishment became increasingly entangled with it.

The betrayal of liberal values became even clearer with Bernie Sanders. Like Trump, Bernie tapped into something real—a deep frustration with a system that had left ordinary Americans behind. Both men, from vastly different perspectives, recognized that working people were suffering while elites prospered. But the Democratic establishment couldn't allow an actual progressive challenger. They used every trick in the book—from media manipulation to primary shenanigans—to block him from the nomination. Most disappointing was watching Bernie himself bend the knee to the same establishment he had railed against, leaving millions of supporters feeling betrayed and politically homeless.

When Hillary Clinton emerged as the nominee, we were told rejecting her meant rejecting women's leadership. But we weren't rejecting female leadership—we were rejecting warmongering and corporate cronyism. What we needed was a leader embodying the feminine divine: qualities of compassion, understanding, nurturing wisdom, and the ability to truly listen. Instead, we got another hawk in the corporate establishment's pocket. And when that failed, they doubled down on cynical identity politics with Harris.

Today, the situation relating to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. perfectly exemplifies how far the party has fallen. Here was a lifelong Democrat, a member of the party's most popular family, who wanted to challenge these corrupting influences—and they wouldn't even let him on the debate stage. I firmly believe that had they given him the opportunity, he could have united the country and beaten Trump. But that reveals the truth: this was never about beating Trump. It was about ensuring they maintained control by installing another establishment stooge who wouldn't challenge their power structure. His departure from the party isn't just about one candidate; it's the culmination of a long betrayal of liberal principles.

The Politics of Distraction vs. Real Issues

Take abortion rights. This is an incredibly nuanced issue with deeply held convictions on all sides. I've spoken with several constitutional lawyers who've explained that overturning Roe was legally sound—not a political decision but a constitutional one about federal versus state authority. That makes it even more telling that Democrats, when they had a supermajority, chose not to codify these protections into federal law. Instead, they've kept this issue unresolved, using it as a reliable tool to drive voter turnout every four years.

While abortion access matters deeply to many Americans, we're facing multiple crises that threaten the very foundation of our republic: inflation is crushing working families while Wall Street posts record profits; government surveillance of citizens has reached dystopian levels; and our regulatory agencies—the FDA and CDC—have been completely captured by corporate interests, approving one toxic product after another while our children are being poisoned by processed foods, environmental toxins, and experimental drugs. The climate crisis (or what some see as deliberate geoengineering) threatens our very survival. Our border is in complete chaos—while we send billions to foreign conflicts most Americans barely understand. All this while our own infrastructure crumbles and our nation grows more divided than ever.

The hypocrisy around women's rights is particularly telling. The same party that claims to champion women's bodily autonomy pushed for mandatory experimental medical interventions, despite documented evidence of mRNA vaccines affecting women's reproductive cycles and fertility. These effects were known from early trials, yet raising concerns got you labeled as "anti-science." Meanwhile, they've insisted that biological males have access to women's spaces—including locker rooms, bathrooms, and sports competitions—prioritizing fashionable ideologies over women's safety and fair competition.

The Democrats permanently lost any moral authority on bodily autonomy the moment they advocated for mandatory medical procedures—yet they continue to lecture us about it without a hint of self-awareness. Liberal principles aren't a Chinese menu where you get to pick and choose which freedoms matter. Take Kamala Harris—she literally campaigned on "my body, my choice" while simultaneously mandating experimental COVID shots for her own campaign staff. You can't claim to champion bodily autonomy in one breath and deny it in the next based on political convenience. Either you believe in individual liberty and bodily autonomy, or you don't. There's no à la carte option when it comes to fundamental human rights.

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The Corporate-State Fusion


What we're seeing today aligns disturbingly well with Mussolini's definition of fascism: the merger of state and corporate power. Look at Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum promoting "stakeholder capitalism," where corporations and governments form partnerships to control various aspects of society. The WEF's corporate membership reads like a who's who of Democratic Party megadonors: BlackRock, which donated millions to Biden's campaign while pushing ESG policies that benefit their bottom line; Pfizer, which poured over $10 million into Democratic coffers while securing massive government contracts; Google and Meta, which not only donate heavily but actively suppress information challenging Democratic narratives.

This isn't coincidence; it's coordination. These same companies shape policy that enriches them: BlackRock advises on financial policy while managing government assets, Pfizer helps write drug approval guidelines while selling mandatory vaccines, and Big Tech collaborates with federal agencies to control information flow. We saw this play out in real time: from day one of the Biden administration, they created backdoor channels into social media companies to censor Americans' speech about COVID, the 2020 election, and other sensitive topics.

This isn't a theory—it's documented fact. Every major policy decision seems to benefit these corporate partners: vaccine mandates, digital currency initiatives, censorship programs, climate policies—all funneling money and power to the same corporations that fund the Democratic machine. When corporations and government work together to control information and behavior, that's precisely the corporate-state fusion that classical liberals once fought against. The Democratic Party has become the party of corporate fascism while claiming to fight against it.

The Democratic Facade

The current administration embodies everything wrong with our system. Look at Kamala Harris—she dropped out of the 2020 presidential race before any primary, polling below 1%. Biden then selected her solely because he limited his pool to black women—not because of her qualifications, but because of identity politics. Her record as Senator was abysmal—she sponsored zero significant legislation and missed 84% of votes during her brief tenure. Then as Vice President, her role as border czar has been an unprecedented disaster—one the administration now tries to pretend never happened (see video below).

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And here's the ultimate irony: this is the party screaming loudest about "threats to democracy," yet they literally installed Harris as their candidate when nobody voted for her—she dropped out before a single primary vote was cast due to dismal polling. They wouldn't even let their own members participate in primary debates. They're lecturing us about democracy while actively suppressing democratic processes within their own party. When they say "democracy is on the ballot," what they really mean is their controlled version of democracy where they pick the candidates and we're supposed to fall in line.

Nobody voted for her, and honestly, nobody really likes her—they just hate Trump more. They could prop up a steaming pile of manure as a candidate, and people would vote for it just to vote against Trump. But here's the real question: If Trump is truly the democracy-ending threat they claim, why didn't democracy end during his first term? And if Harris is the solution to our problems, why hasn't she fixed anything while in office?

The Trump Enigma

My view on Trump has evolved, though not in the way many might expect. I didn't vote for him in 2016 or 2020. Growing up in this region, I knew him only as a second-generation real estate developer—Woody Guthrie had written those critical lyrics about his father, "Old Man Trump." At the time, I thought Donald was just another entitled heir who happened to opportunistically tap into something real.

But there's so much more to this story. His connections to secret societies and the occult run surprisingly deep. His Trump Tower penthouse is essentially a Masonic temple, designed as a replica of Versailles with deliberate esoteric symbolism throughout. His mentor was a 33° Scottish Rite, and Roy Cohn'—master of blackmail and dark arts—shaped his early career. Most intriguingly, his uncle John Trump was the MIT scientist tasked with reviewing Nikola Tesla's papers after death—papers that allegedly contained world-changing technologies, from free energy to more exotic possibilities. I don’t know what it all means, but there's clearly more to this story than the "orange man bad" narrative we're fed.

At this point, I see only three possibilities:

He's playing his part in a grand political wrestling match (WWF style)

He's a dueling bad guy (genuinely a thorn in the establishment's side)

He's actually the hero of this story (which would be the most hilarious plot twist imaginable from the vantage point of someone like me)

The Path Forward

Candidly, I don't know and at this point, any of these seem plausible. What I do know is what the blue team represents—their actions have made that crystal clear. But Trump remains a bit of a mystery to me. I have a hard time believing any politician could be our savior—real change has always come from the bottom up, not the top down. But something interesting happened that gave me a glimmer of hope: RFK Jr. jumping on board.

The RFK Jr. situation is fascinating. Here's a Kennedy—essentially Democratic royalty—teaming up with Trump after being shut out by his own party. This isn't just any political alliance. RFK's deep understanding of the administrative state, from public health institutions to regulatory agencies, combined with his proven track record of exposing corporate capture and fighting pharmaceutical corruption, makes this particularly intriguing. Maybe, just maybe, this alliance could protect our children from harmful policies and unnecessary wars?

I struggle with what comes next because I understand the gravity of our situation. Our republic is incredibly fragile—more fragile than most people realize. The founders knew this, warning us about the difficulty of maintaining a democratic republic. But I refuse to give up on dialogue, even when it feels hopeless. If people don't see what's happening by now—the censorship, the mandates, the war-mongering, what appears to be intentional schismogenesis (https://stylman.substack.com/p/divided-we-fall)—will they ever?

The powers that profit from our division; they've mastered the art of keeping us fighting each other so we don't look up to see who's really pulling the strings. These aren't just political issues—they're existential challenges that require reasonable people to discuss complex solutions. Your neighbor who voted differently isn't your enemy—they likely want many of the same things you do: safety, prosperity, freedom, and a better future for their children. They might just have different ideas about how to get there.

I know this is heavy stuff. You might disagree with everything I've said, and that's okay. What's not okay is letting these disagreements destroy our relationships and communities. The choice isn't just about who we vote for—it's about how we treat each other, how we discuss our differences, and whether we can find common ground in our shared humanity.

The way forward isn't through hatred or fear. It's through understanding, open dialogue, and most importantly, love. We might be living through the death throes of the American experiment, or we might be witnessing its rebirth. Either way, we're in this together, and our strength lies in our ability to work through these challenges as a community, as neighbors, and as friends. Let's choose wisdom over reaction, understanding over judgment, and love over fear. Our future depends on it.



It is not coincidence that Peter Thiel funded much of JD Vance's professional political trajectory. Or that Elon Musk, a longtime limited hangout (and former Thiel partner) was part of the Trump campaign. Trump himself is a limited hangout variant, as I've mentioned before.

All that aside, clearly the current manifestation of the Dem Party was simply no longer functional. The masses needed (either via grooming over time, legitimate frustrations or any combination of numerous factors) a change.

But the very few will benefit regardless as certain agendas take shape.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Grizzly » Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:56 am

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby SonicG » Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:22 am

Dying embers of the Russiagate hysteria:
Russia suspected of plot to send incendiary devices on planes: Sources

"Sources"
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A senior U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed to ABC News that the U.S. was alerted to the Russian effort over the summer. European officials told their American counterparts that they believed the Russians were trying to ship incendiary devices that would go off inside locations supporting the Ukrainian war effort to hinder Ukraine as it continues fighting the Russian invasion.

Makes perfect sense... :ohwh
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:17 am

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One more quick observation to avoid any further misinformation in this thread:

Billionaires benefit regardless of President. Billionaires have benefited greatly from the Biden admin, needless to type.

And certain types of agendas/ventures — such as those tied to Big Pharma & climate ‘alarm’ — netted immense profits for those involved over the last several years, which created more millionaires/billionaires.

So let’s dispense with the notion that the 21st century manifestation of the Democrat Party is a Party of The People. To the contrary, they are increasingly the opposite.

Which is part of the reason they lost earlier this week (at least as far as citizen sentiment is concerned, putting aside the actual drivers behind the veil for a moment)
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Elvis » Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:23 pm

You completely omit the US breakage of energy supplies to Europe, especially Germany.

What's comical is thinking that austerity is a product of government spending. What's foolish is to keep believing those "trickle-down" theories! They've worked wonders, right? :clown

It's fascinating how all nations were part of the planned Covid conspiracy. :lol: :roll:


Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:55 am wrote:
Elvis » Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:13 pm wrote:
Belligerent Savant wrote: "net zero" and related 'climate alarm' scam policies are also forms of austerity measures detrimental to The People. See Germany's collapsing economy/viability as one clear-cut example.


Germany has chosen austerity as its economic policy. It has nothing to do with climate change. Investing in climate mitigation/infrastructure is the opposite of austerity.

Where do people get these weird notions?...wait, I know—from 50 years of "trickle-down" propaganda.

Dude, Covid is over. It was a health scare that led unprepared governments like the USA to improvise solutions.


Comically naive and frankly foolish take, on both the Covid response and Germany’s reported aims. If you earnestly believe the Covid response was govt ‘improvisation’ you are more deluded than I previously surmised.

By all means, continue with your takes. But don’t hold your breath that any of your interpretations of reality will ever come to fruition or be realized within current constructs.

Re: Germany, a couple breadcrumbs below, though an entirely new thread can be (but won’t be, at least not by me) dedicated on this topic. The already-existing ‘climate change’ threads cover some of this, however. -

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Re-directing to the primary topic of this thread:

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby SonicG » Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:21 am

Since I'm seeing Democrat conspiracy theorists saying that this shows that Trump won't be inaugurated - Repugs stole the election! - I'll drop this here:
State, federal law enforcement at Alfie Oakes' Naples home and Immokalee business Thursday
Federal and state law enforcement vehicles surrounded celebrity farmer/grocer Alfie Oakes' North Naples home and Immokalee business Thursday.

Part grocery, part bakery, part butcher shop, part bar, Oakes' $30-plus million Seed to Table is the popular hangout for the local GOP's Make America Great Again wing as well as for area foodies attracted by organic broccoli and craft beer.

Reached by phone, Oakes declined to comment, other than saying, "We're looking into it, but everything's good."

A man standing in the driveway in front of a metal Oakes building in Immokalee on Thursday afternoon wore a DCIS (Defense Criminal Investigative Service) badge, indicating he is a member of the Department of Defense agency that investigates terrorism, cyber crime and fraud, where Oakes Farms vehicles were seen entering Thursday, though some were being turned away. The man's shirt is labeled "firearms instructor.”


He's a big Trumper but also best buds with General Flynn - who I imagine isn't let within 10 miles of Team Trump. It seems like he is being done on defrauding the DOD:
However, the Department of Defense Office of Inspector General spokesperson Mollie Halpern confirmed Thursday afternoon that DCIS agents are actively conducting law enforcement activity in Naples.

“I have no additional information to provide at this time as it’s an open investigation,” she said.

DCIS is the law enforcement arm of the DOD. DCIS special agents deploy worldwide to conduct investigations that significantly impact DOD operations, ranging from cyber crimes, to bribery, fraud, terrorism, public corruption and procurement fraud, Halpern said. "We perform an integral role in protecting America's war fighters."

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:42 pm

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It's fascinating how all nations were part of the planned Covid conspiracy.


Indeed.
What’s fascinating is that in 2024 there are ‘critical thinkers’ that apparently remain unable to see what’s by now self-evident (and damning). But by all means, if your worldview works for you, who am I to counter it?

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Re: 2024 election outcome —

Competing ‘conspiracy theories’ abound, sampled below. Many Dem voters that previously vehemently rebuked indications of election fraud are now (without any sense of irony) blaring that election fraud occurred:

Michelle Baker
@Michell33650674

So, RECORD VOTER TURNOUT in 2024 yielded 15 million FEWER VOTES than in 2020? Really? How does that happen, unless votes AREN'T COUNTED. We're starting to see that Democratic MAIL-IN BALLOTS weren't counted. Are all of you just going to ACCEPT that?

5:16 AM · Nov 7, 2024

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“How does that happen, unless votes from 2020 were actually fraudulent.”

Fixed it for you.

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Which election did the fraud likely happen in. Put your thinking cap on

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby DrEvil » Sat Nov 09, 2024 3:33 pm

Belligerent Savant » Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:42 pm wrote:.
It's fascinating how all nations were part of the planned Covid conspiracy.


Indeed.
What’s fascinating is that in 2024 there are ‘critical thinkers’ that apparently remain unable to see what’s by now self-evident (and damning). But by all means, if your worldview works for you, who am I to counter it?


There's a huge difference between "it was all a big plan" and "it was all a big clusterfuck".
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:27 pm

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Anyone that believes in 2024 that the covid response is due to "clusterfuck" is an irredeemable rube/fool at this point.

Stay the fuck asleep all you want but those that continue to believe such foolish thoughts are increasingly the ones that will be OK with future AFFRONTS against the majority.

Idiots.

Time to call spades for what they are.

EDIT to add -- and will keep it brief. If you need more details look at the main fucking covid thread and actually ABSORB the information and digest it rather than wave the damning aspects away to comfort your insipid biases.

There was no actual fucking "pandemic"; it was a series of:

- faulty models, starting with that highly flawed Imperial College [See Below] report that triggered the (wholly unjustified) Lockdowns;
- biased/manipulated/selective statistics and absurdly overly-broad criteria for counting 'covid deaths' (per official CDC/hospital guidelines), which included counting anyone that tested positive via the PCR test that later died up to 60 days later for WHATEVER REASON as a "Covid death" in the official tallies;
- faulty and prone to false-positive PCR tests, which GROSSLY inflated "case counts", utilized to justify extended lockdowns and mandates;
- Mandates for products such as masks and experimental "vaccines" that not only were later ACKNOWLEDGED NOT to CURB illness but also had demonstrable and in certain instances FATAL outcomes, both near-term and long-term.

ETC, ETC.

The policies and protocols implemented were highly coordinated across countries, despite the flawed models and data that did NOT warrant such an unprecedented response (which in any event were NOT recommended mitigation measures pure global health documents published prior to 2020).The data itself was not only flawed but also manipulated. And well after it was clear that these measures were not only ineffective but ALSO harmful they persisted regardless.
This was not ‘ineptitude’, particularly at higher levels. Precedents were set, policies remain in place, currently dormant, waiting to be implemented again. It was purposeful for numerous objectives and agendas near and long term.

Dig into the Covid thread -- objectively, if at all possible -- and you'll see ample data points for all the above and more. Not all of the content in that thread is necessarily high quality but a far amount of it is, and in any event the content in that thread is only a FRACTION of available studies, RAW data and other source material than can be assessed soberly. But if one hasn't yet done any of the above -- and only those with CASUAL AT BEST assessments of the covid era would type such lazy/stupid comments as those referenced upthread -- there is little confidence or chance that you will begin to dig into it now.

FAR easier to simply stick with your preferred narratives. Remain obtuse.


Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay.

So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?

And yet Extended lockdowns proceeded regardless.

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/ ... -this-guy/
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