P Diddy is a Satanic Illuminatist?

[John E. Nemo]

And he might have had a hand in killing Tupac?

You be the judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NRHCIEok20&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObTomlCGzD4

[8bitagent]

Brilliant

Before I even clicked I was prepared to roll my eyes

But I think he makes a damn good point

Lets think about it


What keeps black youth in a perpetual state of hopelessness and negativity more than the money worshipping 21st century minstrel show of bling blang gangsta rap?

What a scheme: sell youth on ignorance, and make a profit

Heh, I forget his record label is "Rockefella"

While Tupac was part of this culture of course, he possibly may have noticed something.

Anyone seen the documentary "Biggie and Tupac"? One of the most amazing documentaries ever

[cc]

ugh this is the most borderline uncomfortable white guy post in a minute on this board.

his record label is BAD BOY. Jay-Z's label and clothing line is rockafella. you might as well just say "well all those black gangster rappers are the same because they're black". i mean that's essentially the implication in mixing up those 2 distinctly different characters.

rap music and culture are a lot more complicated than this kind of simplified "stupid negros" explanation you've chiseled out here. for one thing it's much more of a case of life -> imitating art -> imitating life -> imitating art -> imitating life -> imitating art -> imitating life -> imitating art -> imitating life -> imitating art -> imitating life.... AND SO ON.

like a dude comes out and does/says something outrageous (like drops are really rediculous verse in a song), it probably isn't true, it's just a good rhyme. shit catches on "in the streets" and now everyone is trying to live up to it, so the only logical thing is for the artist to now do something even more outrageous/over the top, thus repeating the cycle.

it's litterally no different with the state of say, the "white suburban youth" though. you get some self hating rocker, who sings about self hating, the kids in their parent's homes copy this rocker, a new rocker comes along that's more outrageous now that the way the old one once blew people's minds is just part of the standard...

like to imply that the constant sale and purchase of "ignorance" is a phenomena exclusive to black/inner cities (let alone imply that rap music is basically just wholesale skill less ignorance) is tant ammount to just calling them niggers that talk in clicks. pretty much everyone is raised to be cogs in a huge machine, sold dumbed down pseduo art and entertainment, degraded in the mating and procreation rituals, drugged and dulled by the chemicals in our food and air... they give you beer & perscription drugs and prime time television to dull the pain and stress this causes. they give you the means to express your malaise and anomie through blogs and song... it's all the same in the end. you wallow in your fully realized misery, or blissful ignorance. it doesnt matter what color your skin is, where you came from (unless it's a mansion), and so on.

as for the deaths of tupac and biggie, there's more than a slight chance that their puppet masters P-diddy (sean combs), and Suge Knight had hands in it. it's sad because whatever the 2 of them were (puppets selling ignorance, brilliant artists, or both) they were really good.

[IanEye]

Mr. Smalls always appeared to have a death wish

Tupac should have stuck with Digital Underground

Del tha Funkee Homosapien is a much better rapper than either of them were

anyone heard the new Wu Tang album??


I am enjoying the new Ween album very much.......

[AlanStrangis]

ugh this is the most borderline uncomfortable white guy post in a minute on this board.

his record label is BAD BOY. Jay-Z's label and clothing line is rockafella. you might as well just say "well all those black gangster rappers are the same because they're black". i mean that's essentially the implication in mixing up those 2 distinctly different characters.

Hmmm... that's not what I got from it at all. The Armed MC video was talking about particular rappers, mainly Jay-Z and P. Diddy, both of whom are definitely part of the establishment, whether they're part of anything more sinister or not. He was not saying the same about Tupac. He was saying that Tupac was pointing out such allegiances. It's also obvious from Armed MC's YouTube profile that he's a fan of Tupac. I have no idea where race comes into it.

it's litterally no different with the state of say, the "white suburban youth" though. you get some self hating rocker, who sings about self hating, the kids in their parent's homes copy this rocker, a new rocker comes along that's more outrageous now that the way the old one once blew people's minds is just part of the standard...

True. That's because in the early 90's the record labels almost simultaneously learned to market to disaffected white and black youth, by respectively co-opting the 'alternative' and 'rap' sections of the record stores.

I suspect that the same is going to happen to curb 'indie' music as well, as the labels are starting to move away from DRM'ed music, and toying with the idea of selling players with built in subscription models directly into the cost of the hardware. This way the industry is offering a model of unlimited play, and limiting the 'consumer desire' to go outside those channels.

[IanEye]

That's because in the early 90's the record labels almost simultaneously learned to market to disaffected white and black youth, by respectively co-opting the 'alternative' and 'rap' sections of the record stores.

sorry to get too far away from the whole Satan/rap thang, but I think it is important to mention just how threatened the Record Industry felt by Sarah McLachlan's Lilith Fair.

I know this first hand from working in a Borders in Boston in the mid/late 90's. the record reps would come in generally excited to promote artists like McLachlan, Belly, Tori Amos, etc.

Then, one day a record rep came in looking kind of bummed. I asked her why she was so glum and she said, "Well, we are going to go forward full steam ahead with bubble gum teeny bopper now. I guess the stock holders really don't like the reality of middle school girls learning every Tori Amos song by heart." And then she unrolled the fresh face of Britney Spears and proceeded to staple her all over the store.

We had a chat about it when i took a break and she said that this new Lilith fair was the last straw, seems to many female adult artists were networking and talking and getting along and then going back to their agents and demanding better record deals and better tour deals and such.



too scary a sight for Corporate America?!?

[AlanStrangis]

sorry to get too far away from the whole Satan/rap thang, but I think it is important to mention just how threatened the Record Industry felt by Sarah McLachlan's Lilith Fair.

I know this first hand from working in a Borders in Boston in the mid/late 90's. the record reps would come in generally excited to promote artists like McLachlan, Belly, Tori Amos, etc.

Then, one day a record rep came in looking kind of bummed. I asked her why she was so glum and she said, "Well, we are going to go forward full steam ahead with bubble gum teeny bopper now. I guess the stock holders really don't like the reality of middle school girls learning every Tori Amos song by heart." And then she unrolled the fresh face of Britney Spears and proceeded to staple her all over the store.

I can believe it. A couple of major record labels Canadian tentacles used to be long time clients of mine (did post-production work for them, both in house and commercial). I've heard similar stories, and one of my regular contacts often got interference from the US heads.

Luckily I've been able to wean myself largely away from doing that kind of corporate work.

As for the Killuminati, though I don't think the guy presented enough to sell me, I see no reason for it not to be true. In just about every other type of economic endeavour, power corrupts. Why should the corporatized aspects of hip hop be any less susceptible to that type of influence?

[8bitagent]

Can anyone think of any other music whose entire premise and culture is designed to keep people in the very negative stereotype that the media
likes to hype up

"oooh, more black gangs blowing each other up and littering the streets with drugs"

"but hey, here's the latest video from Lil' Bling Blang with "Bitches, Guns and Money"

I remember when rap went from political/party times in the late 80's to the hardcore gangsta and hos stuff, to the "im alls bout my penthouse and blang and cristal" crap.

Not saying every rapper needs to be like Immortal Technique(the most amazing political songwriter in my view) but geez...
Spike Lee was right to call it the "21st century minstrel show and culture"

In my good friend's small little bay area nook, there's been 9 shootings with 4 deaths in the last 2 weeks from black vs. mexican rival gangs.
Yet 50 Cent who glorifies all this gets his own video game, movie, countless magazine covers, etc

[Horatio Hellpop]

"I still express, yo, I don't smoke weed or a sess.
Cause its known to give a brother brain damage.
And brain damage on the mic don't manage " - Dr Dre on Express Yourself

Then Cypress Hill showed there was a biiiiiiig market for rapping about weed.

Tupac studied ballet and dance at Baltimore School for the Arts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM-wOqRrXqw

^^^The Game on "Change of Heart" Gangsta!!!!!!

The sad thing is this shit gets marketed as 'reality' until the shit hits the fan and then they come out and kind of hint that they're just playing characters.

[theeKultleeder]

Cypress Hill is real cool - gangsta ego training mixed up with Buddha wisdom. You have to listen to Black Sunday.


Cypress Hill - Ain't Goin Out Like That


COMMIN' OUT DA SLUMS!!!
It's da hoodlums
I'm pullin' my gat out on all you bums
So bring it on when you wanna come fight this
Outlaw I'll kick ya like Billy Ray Cypress Hill
Kill I'll bust that grill
Grab my gat and load up the steel
And if you wanna get drastic
I'll pull out my blasted glock automatic
Synthetic material bury your blocks n mortar
Headed down to da Mexican border
Smokin' that smellie, Northern Cali,
Gonna put a slug in Captain O'Malley
Ho, hum-Hear the gat come
Boooooommmmmm!
Let me see what you'll do when you're sent to kill a man
But I'll be damned if I don't take a stand
We ain't goin' out like that
We ain't goin' out like that
"We ain't goin' out!"
We ain't goin' out like that
We ain't goin' out like that
"We ain't goin' out!"
We ain't goin' out like that
We ain't goin' out like that
"We ain't goin' out!"
We ain't goin' out like that
"We ain't goin' out like that!"
I'm high strung
Click I'm sprung
'Cause I don't live on the hum-drum
Where I'm from the gats'll be smokin'
I'll be damned if ya think I'm jokin'
Know that I come with the static, erratic, .45 automatic
Screamin' at ya-the red lights beamin' at ya
No need to run after the punk-ass who'd run up to my crew
Dig the grave for the one who got played
Now he's under
Don't make me wonder why 'cause you'll testify
We ain't goin' out like that
I got to thinkin' "What the fuck is this?"
Lettin' you know I take care of business
Can I get a witness?
To verify when I'm to bring this style
That makes you ecstatic
Tragic, when I get a poof of the magic buddha
When I roll with my crew
I betcha one time can't find my hooda!
Hits'll be hitting with the belt unbuckled (I don't know this line)
Pig rollin' up but he ain't that subtle
Pulled to da curb
So we exchange a few words
But he got me stirred up
"Ought not to grab the handcuffs.
I'll huff-n-puff-n-blow ya head of!"
We ain't goin' out like that
EAT A BOWL OF DICK UP!! GEEEYEAH!!

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Today Pacifica Radio played a documentary about the Tupac murder.

Security guards for Tupac not interviewed by police spoke out on how they were told to not carry guns or phones the night of the murder. Security stripping.

Forgot names but the gist of it was- Tupac wanted to leave the record label and take master tapes already wrongly used as potential income for loans by the label so... inside job with LAPD help (son of LAPD lieutenant was security for label) complete with a rumor-manufactured spate of gang shootings after the murder and a framed up patsy to amplify the meme, 'dangerous black thugs.'

I think it was the lawyer-mouthpiece for Death Row records who called all the security guards in for a meeting in Vegas and told them not to carry guns or phones.

So I think the 'rapper Illuminati' internet thang is typical spook disinfo and diversion.
What a surprise.

[theeKultleeder]

I think Tupac was killed in a field where the "acters" and the real deal meet.

Tupac was okay. My personal reaction to "Thug Life" (tattooed on his belly) is FUCK YOU and STAY AWAY. Now, how about real thugs, real killers and organized drug dealers?

RAP=EGO in the Thug Life.

I reject it. I hope cool people all over do too.

[Horatio Hellpop]

So I think the 'rapper Illuminati' internet thang is typical spook disinfo and diversion.
What a surprise.

Hey Hugh. Are you talking about the particular linked video??

The guy giving the presentation is basically a young Muslim Australian rapper with a Tupac man crush. He's obviously been exposed to concepts of illuminati (which are, by the way, fairly popular topics on tapes and videos available in the Australian Muslim community) and has put together an interesting theory.

I have massive doubts that:

1. This guy has any kind of inside information
2. That spooks would bother to funnel disinfo through an unknown (even in Australia) rapper who promotes his music on the internet

[Horatio Hellpop]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mack_%28police_officer%29

Re: LAPD involvement in rapper murders............

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

So I think the 'rapper Illuminati' internet thang is typical spook disinfo and diversion.
What a surprise.

Hey Hugh. Are you talking about the particular linked video??
.....
I have massive doubts that:

1. This guy has any kind of inside information
2. That spooks would bother to funnel disinfo through an unknown (even in Australia) rapper who promotes his music on the internet

Oops. No, I didn't watch the video since I'd just heard a whole LAPD-spooks COINTELPRO expose on this murder.

And that stuff seems to be the norm so when I saw the word, 'Illuminati,' I ignored it.

You know how I'm allergic to woo. But not woe. lol.