Mike Malloy says RECREATE 68 is a CIA front

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IS A CIA FRONT OPERATION


http://recreate68.org/


Malloy says Rush Limpballs was pushing it


He thinks it's all connected
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15 ... etail.html

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/T ... e_68_2.asp


Recreate 68!
I wrote a little while ago about the plan of some protest groups to 'Recreate 68' at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this year. If there's a close delegate count and the convention is contested -- which is still unlikely, but possible -- that stands to raise the tension level for Democrats. If the anti-war base is dissatisfied with Congress' failure to bring the troops home -- a virtual certainty -- that could raise it as well. The pressure is on the DNC to ensure that despite the potential trouble, the nominating party goes smoothly.

Since writing previously, I've learned that the folks trying to screw up the liberalpalooza have their own website: Recreate 68.org. The site is set up to facilitate communications between protesters, and help them with planning. It includes a primer on 'Direct Action.' The first part is devoted to an argument over semantics -- trying to explain how Direct Action is different from terrorism. Then they assert that while it's not terrorism, 'it is violent:'


To say that it is violent to destroy the machinery of a slaughterhouse or to break windows belonging to a party that promotes war is to prioritize property over human and animal life. This objection subtly validates violence against living creatures by focusing all attention on property rights and away from more fundamental issues.


The organizer of Recreate 68 (a Ward Churchill buddy) is already sparring with the City of Denver over the permitting process for protests. It seems like there's real potential for this to get ugly.

Of course, the Democrats aren't the only ones facing protests from the leftist fringe. The organizing website for trying to disrupt the GOP convention is the RNC Welcoming Committee. The big difference between the two conventions, in Denver a whole swath of protesters may be doubling as delegates.


http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/21/r ... e_protests
AMY GOODMAN: We’re broadcasting from Denver, Colorado, from the PBS station KBDI, where Democracy Now! broadcasts here in Denver. Yes, Denver will play host to the Democratic National Convention this August, and preparations are well under way for the big event. It remains to be seen whether the Democrats will ultimately take their fight for a presidential candidate all the way to the convention. But for many activists tired of the two-party system and the ongoing war, they will be demonstrating at the convention, regardless of who the final nominee is.


As Denver readies to sign contracts with dozens of security agencies ahead of the convention, we look at some of the concerns around the rights of the protesters and how lawyers and activists are preparing to protect demonstrators.


Mark Silverstein is on the phone with us, legal director of the ACLU in Colorado. We’re also joined in the studio at KBDI by Mark Cohen. He is an organizer with Recreate ’68, a group of activists attempting to greet this year’s Democratic National Convention with the same demands of accountability and ending the war that animated protesters in Chicago forty years ago.


We welcome you both to Democracy Now! Mark Cohen, what are your plans for this convention?


MARK COHEN: Thank you, Amy. We plan to have a massive presence during the Democratic National Convention in August. We will be having a number of major demonstrations, including on the Sunday, the day before the convention begins, what will probably be the biggest antiwar march and rally that Denver has seen at least since Vietnam. We’re also working with some of the major immigrant rights groups to, on the Tuesday, have what we think will be a very large immigrant rights march and rally.


But we’re not only involved in protest activities. We’re also staging what we’re calling the Festival of Democracy, which will be a five-day event in downtown Denver, during which we will have trainings, workshops, teach-ins, and provide people the opportunity to come together and learn about alternatives to the two-party system, solutions that communities can provide to their own problems. We’re also, during that, going to have a 24/7 free health clinic, legal services, two feedings a day in cooperation with Food Not Bombs and other services for the community.


AMY GOODMAN: And who is “we”?


MARK COHEN: We are Recreate ’68, which is a group of local Denver activists. We began planning for the Democratic National Convention actually before we found out that Denver had been given the convention. It looked like a fairly certain thing. So we’ve been planning for about a year and a half now. We’ve been talking with the city to try to ensure that people’s First Amendment rights would be protected during the convention. We’ve been working with national organizations, among them United for Peace and Justice, CODEPINK and others, as well as numerous Colorado organizations, to prepare for this event, to try to use the attention and the excitement and the energy generated by this major event to kind of kick organizing in Denver up to another level.


AMY GOODMAN: Mark Silverstein, you’re legal director of the Colorado ACLU. What are the city’s plans for these protests?


MARK SILVERSTEIN: Well, you’re asking me to tell you the city’s plans, and unfortunately the city has not responded to some of our requests for information about those plans. I can tell you that political conventions like this have historically been marked by struggles over law enforcement’s attempt to balance interest in security with the First Amendment rights of the public and protesters. And in the past, that balance has sometimes been subjected to judicial review, and courts have disagreed with law enforcement about the proper balance.


And since 9/11, I think the issues have even gotten more intense. We know in Boston in 2004, the city provided what it called a “demonstration zone” outside of the convention that the district court said was like a concentration camp and an affront to the First Amendment. But there wasn’t enough time for the court to fully evaluate it and issue an order that would remedy the problems.


We have been trying to find out what it will look like, what kind of regulations will apply to First Amendment activity near the site of the convention. And so far, Denver has been either unwilling or unable to discuss any of that in detail, pointing to the Secret Service as the ultimate shot caller for security at the convention. And the Secret Service has said, well, it won’t have details to reveal to the public until sometime this summer, maybe as late as August. And, of course, that might be far too late to have any negotiation over the arrangements for First Amendment activity and certainly too late for an opportunity for judicial review. So that’s very much a concern for us.


AMY GOODMAN: I’m looking at a piece just recently in the Denver Post, “No Cages for DNC Protesters,” that according to Denver City Councilman Charlie Brown, protesters will not be confined to cages during the Democratic National Convention. The city wants to get away from the long lines of shoulder-to-shoulder, riot gear-clad police that typified security, saying, “We don’t want to provoke violence.” Mark?


MARK SILVERSTEIN: And that’s a very commendable sentiment. And, you know, at the ACLU, we certainly hope that what Councilman Brown says will indeed be the reality. But, you know, there’s a question that I always ask when somebody in government makes an assurance like that. I ask, “Well, how do they know?” because when we’ve talked with the city officials or when we’ve read what’s quoted in the newspaper, the answer always is, “Well, we don’t know yet, because the Secret Service ultimately makes the decision, and the Secret Service isn’t saying, at least publicly.”


So there’s a rumor that there’s going to be a one-mile radius hard security perimeter around the convention site. And then you can occasionally read in the paper, somebody will debunk that as a rumor. It’s not true that there will be one-mile security zone around the convention, but yet, when you talk to the city people who ought to know, they say, “Well, we don’t know yet.” And if they don’t know, then how do they know there won’t be a one-mile security radius? There must be some plans already formulated.


AMY GOODMAN: Keeping protesters one mile away from the Pepsi Center? That’s where the Democratic Convention is going to be?


MARK SILVERSTEIN: That’s correct. That’s correct.


AMY GOODMAN: According to Colorado Confidential, a web publication, the Denver Police Department is using taxpayer money to buy new security equipment in preparation for the DNC but is refusing to disclose exactly what the purchases are, saying that revealing the information would be contrary to the public interest. Mark Cohen, what do you know about that?


MARK COHEN: We do know that the city council has allocated $5 million for new weapons for the Denver Police Department. We know that in St. Paul, they have issued tasers to every single officer on the force. We’re aware that there are new weapons out there that are being ostensibly used for crowd control in places like Iraq. But we’ve seen a report on 60 Minutes, for example, where they were doing field tests with these weapons, and the people they were testing on were dressed as protesters and carrying protest-type signs. So we have a feeling that the field tests for these new weapons are going to be at the Democratic National Convention and possibly the Republican Convention, as well. So, the weapons that are being designed primarily for military use are going to be used on peaceful, nonviolent protesters.


AMY GOODMAN: One of the things that we’ve seen at the conventions past is the level of infiltration by police and also surveillance. Now, Mark Cohen, you were a plaintiff in the Denver spy files case.


MARK COHEN: Yes.


AMY GOODMAN: Explain what that was.


MARK COHEN: We discovered in—I believe it was 2001, that the—or maybe earlier than that, but we discovered that the Denver Police Department had been keeping what they called “criminal intelligence files” on people who had engaged in no criminal activity but simply exercised their First Amendment rights in protests and demonstrations. There were labels on these files, such as “criminal extremist.” And the information in these files was, first of all, not the kind of information that had any relationship to criminal activity. They had–people had written letters to the editors of local papers, and they had stuck these in files. And they also had a good deal of false information.


My wife, who is a middle-aged Jewish woman, was identified as belonging to a white racist motorcycle gang that dealt in drugs and weapons. So, we’re obviously very concerned about this, especially because we discovered that these files were being shared with other law enforcement agencies. And in the atmosphere after 9/11, this is a very dangerous thing to be identified as a criminal extremist and as, presumably, a security threat. So we did sue the city and got out of the suit a change in policy, which prevents the Denver Police Department from collecting intelligence information on people who are not actually engaged in criminal activity.


AMY GOODMAN: Well, we are going to leave it there for now but certainly will continue to follow this. Mark Cohen with us from Recreate ’68 and Mark Silverstein on the line with us, legal director of the Colorado ACLU, I want to thank you both for being with us.


MARK COHEN: Thank you.

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http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/02/ ... te-68.html

Re-create '68!"
We now have proof that "progressives" are Republicans in disguise. The only questions are "Who is getting paid off?" and "How much?"

Republican wolves in prog clothing are organizing a "Re-create ’68" protest movement for the Democratic National Committee. One need not be the Oracle of Delphi to guess what will happen: Lots of screaming, lots of disunity, lots of "arranged" violence, lots of television coverage of events that will sicken swing voters.
“What’s the political calculation that speaks to them of the wisdom of civil disobedience — which means a massive media spectacle — on the brink of a Democratic campaign that could plausibly put a Democrat in the White House who’s committed to withdrawal from Iraq?” asked Todd Gitlin, an anti-Vietnam War activist who was at the Democratic National Convention in 1968. “If the objective is to put a belligerent Republican in the White House, they should keep up the good work.”
Newsflash, prog dupes: If Todd freaking Gitlin thinks your plans are idiotic and counterproductive, then you may presume with great confidence that your plans are idiotic and counterproductive.

Instead of engaging in useless debate over who did what in '68 ("It was a police riot!"), we would do better to think in terms of concrete accomplishments. Did the protesters do anything worthwhile? No, they did not.

They did not shorten the war. In fact, they lengthened it by electing Nixon. (I am convinced that Humphrey's heart was not in the conflict.) They alienated the voters and blackened the image of the anti-Vietnam protest movement. They ended the liberal consensus. The Weatherman wanna-bes shouting "Sirhan Power!" in the streets of Chicago provided the sociological "shock" that Friedmanism always needs. The Jesus movement took hold after the "revolutionary" wackos convinced a large segment of the country that the culture had fallen into anarchy.

But then again, why should I attempt to talk to progs? Arrogance (or the jingle of GOP coin) makes them impenetrable to argument.
Organizers say that they’ll protest at the Republican convention, too, but that their focus will be on the Democrats in Denver.
Naturally. The progs will allow the Republicans to convey an image of smooth professionalism, while making the Dems look like the lords of chaos.

Do we need any further evidence that prog "organizers" are on the GOP payroll?

Rep. Diana DeGette, a Democrat who represents Denver, was only 11 in 1968, but she said that she’s flummoxed by the notion that anyone would want to re-create the dark days of that year. “I can’t figure out why, for the life of me, that somebody would want to re-create ’68,” she said. “Is it the riots or tear gas — or perhaps the assassinations? Or maybe the election of a Republican president? I’m not sure the name was completely thought out.”


http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/02/ ... te-68.html

Joseph, Joseph. I really do believe you're determined to concoct a boogeyman called "progressives" that you think is set on sabotaging the Democratic Party and then swallow uncritically everything that right-wing provocateurs put out there to discredit genuine progressives.

I looked into the "Re-create '68" people a year ago, and it quickly became transparently obvious that it was entirely a Gladio-style false front operation.

For one thing, they were using spoofed domain names:

Political activists hoping to rain on the Democrats’ parade when the party holds its national convention in Denver have launched a website encouraging others to make the next convention look like the one in 1968.

The group, Recreate-68 Alliance, bought up several Internet domain names that are similar to the Denver host committee’s official site, www.denverconvention2008.com .

But instead of raving about the city’s assets like the official site does, these sites redirect viewers to www.recreate68.org - a site professing to be “your virtual activists’ Convergence Center.” Among other information, the site encourages protests like those that marred the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

For another, when I googled on Recreate-68 in April 2007, nobody on the left seemed to have heard of it, but somehow the right-wing blogs were all over it -- usually a sure sign that someone has been stirring the pot!

The organizer, Glenn Spagnuolo, has a reputation as a hothead and a troublemaker -- he brought a defamation lawsuit on himself in 2005 for his intemperance -- and a vocal supporter of Ward Churchill.

Moreover, the Recreate-68 website seemed designed to appeal not to progressives but to some nightmare right-wing memory of 1968. Lurid shades of orange and black, a sunset view of Denver that could be taken on first glance as a city in flames, and stereotypically inflammatory rhetoric: "Join us in the streets of Denver as we resist a two-party system that allows imperialism and racism to continue unrestrained. We will demand change by making the Democratic Convention of 1968 look like a small get together in 2008!"

In looking further, I found that two national groups had plans to demonstrate at the GOP convention in Minneapolis -- an anti-war group and an anarchist group -- whereas in Denver there was just this one isolated band of local activists with no national backing. And even the anarchist site was impressively restrained in its design and language when compared with the Denver bunch: "We hope that our work transcends the convention by contributing to the development of anti-authoritarian movements and mutual aid networks both locally and globally."

So Joseph, please understand that the situation we're in is one where Gladio R Us and try not to take anything at face value.

[Eldritch]

Mike Malloy says RECREATE 68 is a CIA front

Mike Malloy is probably right.

What's more, this is "business as usual" for an intelligence apparatus that has been turned against its own citizens—just as it was in the 1960s.

I'm sure the CIA would love to "re-create '68"—after all, 1968 was a pretty good year for them.

[justdrew]

well rush limpdick was just talking about exactly this and that is all over the place. it's pathetic if anyone falls for this, another '68 chicago is the last thing we need.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I don't think Recreate 68 is necessarily a CIA front though of course it's possible.
All they have is a website so far.
I would like to see some names on the website.

I think Malloy is wrong to declare on the air with great fanfare that the group is absolutely CIA just because Rush is pouring gasoline on it and the group's name is what it is. Being cautionary would be more appropriate for right now.
Yes, CIA-suspicious me who has my own list of perps based on their actions and allies.

This group hasn't done anything yet except put up a website and get flagged by Rush who is making much about his own CIA-modeled 'Operation CHAOS' plans to disrupt his opposition.

Any group that protests the convention is liable to be infiltrated and provocateured.

I just heard Malloy's first hour and he played audio of Rush's show where Rush got reamed by a caller for his inflammatory comments yesterday when Rush called for riots in Denver and burned cars and chaos and sang a little song about it.

Not until Malloy's second hour does he declare that 'Recreate 68' is a CIA front meant to be a provocateur organization and that all the emails coming in refuting his accusations he doesn't care about. And he gets a Denver councilman on the phone and goes into some history of COINTELPRO provocateur tactics, which is good to air as a warning not to get played.

'Recreate 68' is definitely a name that evokes those old newsclip images of violence-
but only IF that's all you know about.
BUT to other activists there really IS much more to activism in 1968 that is worth evoking, not just the sensationalist newsclips we've been conditioned with for 40 years.

And the group declares that the Spirit of 68 is what it is alluding to, not the chaos, even though they declare that civil disobedience is to be expected.
So if Malloy is going to declare that practicing civil disobedience is counterproductive than he's fallen for the deterrence intended by COINTELPRO.

Here is the group's internet face-
http://recreate68.org/album1_dnc_031.htm

Sometimes we need to look back to move forward. In 1968 there existed a spirit of change, the Paris Rebellion, Prague, Chicago, Vietnam, etc. People believed, around the world, that they were capable of taking over the institutions that controlled their lives. The smell of revolution was in the air. Over 1 million college students openly identified as revolutionist. People believed that through mass participation in the movement, it was possible to wrest control from the elite power-holders. They were not willing to accept the loss of their human and civil rights.

Recreate 68 is not a throwback group trying to relieve some vision of glory days long gone. We are predominantly a youthful group that has realized that 40 years later, we have only produced apathy in our communities towards making effective and lasting change. We intend to recreate that need for change and mass participation in the events that shape and control our lives. We intend to recreate that revolutionary feeling and pick-up where our predecessors left off. It is time to reclaim the ideals that we have forgotten and leap forward by stepping back and using that voice inside of us that has been telling us something is seriously wrong, a voice that is shouting for change, a voice that has realized we live in a police state and we have stopped moving forward 40 years ago. When we recreate positives and discard negatives from our collective memories of the past and realize the true power that the people possess, we will have the ability to make 2008 a very special year. This is the true meaning of Recreate 68. Don’t let this historic moment pass you by. Join us on this journey and have your energies and voices heard in the streets of Denver, as we demand change during the DNC in 2008!

http://recreate68.org/album1_dnc_011.htm

The "Re-create 68" Alliance is a group of local activists who will be acting as a clearing house in order to disseminate information for resistance so the power of the people can be expressed as loudly as possible!

The "R-68" Alliance is made up of activists locally known as the All Nations Alliance. The All Nations Alliance sponsored the Denver City Council resolution that made Denver the first major city in the country to take a stand in opposition to the Patriot Act and was also instrumental in exposing the Denver Spy Files and the J.T.T.F.'s and F.B.I.'s role in those files, in addition to organizing numerous anti-war, anti-racism, anti-imperialism rallies actions and protest including the G-8 protest in Denver!

We believe that actions can best be coordinated by local grassroots efforts. We encourage national organizations' efforts during the convention, but we ask that you please respect the proud and rich history of organized resistance that exists in Colorado.

Statement of Non-violence & Principles of Solidarity

http://recreate68.org/album1_dnc_012.htm

Statement of Non-violence & Principles of Solidarity

We are committed to resisting and overturning a system of violence inflicted daily on people of this country and the world, and against the natural environment, by political and corporate power, in the pursuit of profit. We are resolved that our group will not instigate violence against human beings as a means to end this system of violence and injustice. However, we recognize the right of the people to self-defense and community defense.

10 Mutual Assurances Between Groups And Organizations Planning DNC Related Activities:

1. To publicly support rights of free speech, the right to organize, and the right to dissent for all.
2. To maintain solidarity with and respect the guidelines of all permitted activities, recognizing that there are many individuals who seek a safe and peaceful protest.
3. To support and participate in efforts to assure civil liberties for everyone in Denver, including the right to organize civil disobedience and nonviolent direct action without that organizing being criminalized or disrupted.
4. To speak out against any pre-emptive arrests, raids on activists spaces, or attacks on independent journalists and other media.
5. To be conscious of and speak out against police targeting and differential treatment of people based on race, gender, sexual orientation, accent, or appearance.
6. Not to turn people over to the police, or share information with the police about other groups.
7. Not to publicly criticize the tactics used by other parts of our movement or cooperate with media efforts to be divisive or portray good protester/bad protester.
8. To publicly condemn police repression and brutality.
9. To be conscious that if violence or property destruction does occur, we will do what we can to help prevent it from being blown out of proportion and dominating the media coverage.
10. To remember that, when all is said and done, our greatest victory will be an activist community with a renewed sense of strength and unity.

[Fresno_Layshaft]

I don't think Recreate 68 is necessarily a CIA front though of course it's possible.
All they have is a website so far.
I would like to see some names on the website.

I think Malloy is wrong to declare on the air with great fanfare that the group is absolutely CIA... Being cautionary would be more appropriate for right now.

Has Hugh ever said something wasn't a CIA psyop before?

I guess playing agent provocateur is old hat, and better way to sabatoge the convention would be to release that Spielberg film The Trial of the Chicago 7 a couple of days before. Guess the CIA's production slate is backed up, probably due to that damn writers -oops!- I mean Spook Strike.

[IanEye]

This whole ‘recreate’ concept is asinine.

In 1968, the Democrats had been in the Oval Office since JFK took the oath in January of 1961.

In 2008, the Republicans have been in the Oval Office since GWB took the oath in January of 2001.

The idea that Progressive intellectuals have decided to ‘recreate 68’ by massing in Denver as opposed to St. Paul is fundamentally flawed by this fact.

The whole thing is straight up bullshit.

Has Hugh ever said something wasn't a CIA psyop before?

It is always interesting to see who Hugh decides to give a pass to…

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Has Hugh ever said something wasn't a CIA psyop before?

It is always interesting to see who Hugh decides to give a pass to…

I'm not "giving a pass" to this Recreate 68 website/group, Mr. Innuendo.
I'm saying take a closer look. Gee, that's exactly the opposite of your innuendo. sheesh.


After my reacting to Malloy's reacting to Rush last night-
All Nation's Alliance isn't just a sudden pop-up fictional group meant for Rush to use.
It is a Indiginous Peoples-American Indian group that also gives college scholarships out, for instance.
[url][url]http://www6.miami.edu/financial-assistance/Scholarship/amerind.html[/url]
http://www.ibparticipation.org/IBPLsamp ... =Southwest[/url]

And the American Indian Movement suffered COINTELPRO murders and disruption worse than even the Black Panthers did. And it continues to this day.
So atleast look closely when Rush starts a fire and Malloy explodes.

I do have mixed feelings about just this website's representation of the group although there's a track record of excellent work with the ACLU by "All Nation's Alliance" exposing spying on activists back in 2002 in a lawsuit with many articles about it for two years.
http://www.ccmep.org/2002_articles/Civil_Rights/121802_all_nations_alliance_calls_for_a.htm

The website's list of "10 Mutual Assurances Between Groups..." is mostly pretty good and includes how to reject expected COINTELPRO provocateur infiltrators and media complicity. That's not something you often see but Colorado has a history that literally goes back to 'cowboys and Indians' conflict that continues today.

The list also has these problems-

>that "Recreate 68" name is really really ill-chosen, uninformative, problematic.
It is causing lots of people to see violence as an intended result.
>there's very little message other than vague anti-The Man comments.
>the anti-violence declaration includes a phrase about rejecting "violence against humans" which leaves open the possibility of violence against property and vandalism. That's not what civil disobedience is about.
>the phrase about not playing into media "good protester/bad protester" divisiveness gives a pass to bad behaviors that are partly renounced elsewhere in the list.
>the 'links' page is inactive so there's no way to put the website in context with declared values, info, and allies.
>the media release pdfs are not opening for me to get more info.

Here is "All Nation's Alliance" in 2002 exposing spying on activists in Denver-
http://www.ccmep.org/2002_articles/Civil_Rights/122202_all_nation.htm

All Nation's Alliance Prods Mayoral Candidates Spy Files

By Amy Herdy

Denver Post Staff Writer

Sunday, December 22, 2002 - As the subject of a Denver police spy file, Mark Cohen wants mayoral hopefuls to know that he and other spy file targets are also voters.

"We want to make it clear that these spy files will be an issue in this upcoming political campaign," said Cohen, a free-lance writer and editor and a member of the All Nations Alliance, a social justice group.

Toward that end, Cohen, 57, and other ANA members are challenging those running for public office to offer their opinions on the spy files - police intelligence files gathered for years on citizens.

The issue of Denver's spy files broke in March after a criminal defense lawyer in Golden discovered two pages in a court file and gave them to the American Civil Liberties Union.

The ACLU filed suit on behalf of six plaintiffs March 28, challenging that the Police Department's custom of spying on peaceful protesters, maintaining the files and sharing them with other law enforcement agencies.

Since the intelligence unit began in 1954, seven mayors have presided over Denver government. Yet none, including Mayor Wellington Webb or his predecessor, Federico Pena, said they knew about the spy files.

Depositions of intelligence detectives taken in the case indicate that the mayor's office was routinely notified.

[IanEye]

I'm not "giving a pass" to this Recreate 68 website/group, Mr. Innuendo.
I'm saying take a closer look. Gee, that's exactly the opposite of your innuendo. sheesh.

Hugh, you are an individual who is obsessed with the way the Media use words and semantics and reframing.

Yet you seemingly find nothing odd about the fact that people are being encouraged to get in the wayback machine for the fun 60's ride that was Chicago '68, only to land in Denver, not St. Paul. To amass in Denver recreates nothing.

There is a dissonance there, and it is interesting to me that you seem not to hear it.

But again, I also find it interesting how in the past you have tread lightly where the Grateful Dead are concerned as well. This is not to suggest that you are 'in cahoots' with anyone or a group, only that like everyone else, you have your personal sacred cows, who get a pass. There is no innuendo here, I notice this behavior in all who post on here, including myself. Besides, you are certainly aware by now that when you really annoy me, innuendo is not the typical tool i reach for is it?

you got upset with brainpanhandler recently as well, thinking he was mocking you or something, and he had to patiently explain to you what his intent was. i would suggest this is a similar scenario. I am not criticizing your approach to this matter, only observing that it seems to be a different one than you have used on similar subjects in the past.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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Yet you seemingly find nothing odd about the fact that people are being encouraged to get in the wayback machine for the fun 60's ride that was Chicago '68, only to land in Denver, not St. Paul. To amass in Denver recreates nothing.

There is a dissonance there, and it is interesting to me that you seem not to hear it.

"Find nothing odd"..."seem not to hear" - Sure I did. You're mischaracterizing my comments. This topic is as complex as the kerfuffle around Ward Churchill and the topic of COINTELPRO, a topic I've written lots about.

I really still think it is dangerous for Mike Malloy to damn-blast a group on national radio based on much less information than I dug up and posted above.

THAT is my point. Malloy took Rush's bait and shot from the hip, something COINTELPRO tries to make happen.

At the same time, he could be right as I said.
But basing his screamingly adamant views on Rush's inflammatory comments and the website's provocative name is to possibly fall right into Rush's highly-publicized agenda to recreate Operation CHAOS.

There is no innuendo here, I notice this behavior in all who post on here, including myself. Besides, you are certainly aware by now that when you really annoy me, innuendo is not the typical tool i reach for is it?

Yeah, I have noticed when I "annoy" you and you've made some really really harsh comments to/about me in the past. That's why I took it as innuendo.

you got upset with brainpanhandler recently as well, thinking he was mocking you or something, and he had to patiently explain to you what his intent was. i would suggest this is a similar scenario.

Ok. I can see that. No biggie. I'm not a grudge match fan and much more interested in the thread topic.

I am not criticizing your approach to this matter, only observing that it seems to be a different one than you have used on similar subjects in the past.

Were they not, as in the past, nuanced by historical context and including current materials to consider with specific comments about Malloy's presentation?

I thought my approach was consistent and my comments even anticipated that there would be some surprise that I didn't automatically jump on the 'It's A CIA Plot!' bandwagon.

I am extremely mistrustful of EASY conclusions like the ones Rush peddles.
If it seems obvious, I hold back and look harder.

[seemslikeadream]

Rush Limbaugh: Operation Chaos manual for rioting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjwE-kJpyts

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Rush Limbaugh: Operation Chaos manual for rioting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjwE-kJpyts

I'm glad Malloy spent his first hour on Rush's comments pointing out Rush broke FCC rules and should get put off the airwaves for it.

What this will show is how Rush is protected by non-enforcement of these FCC rules.
Rush is important to fascism and military recruiting so he has the same Reagan-teflon McCain has.

[chlamor]

At present there is absolutely zero evidence to support this claim.

WORKING MEETINGS EVERY THURSDAY
6:30 pm
The Gypsy House Cafe
1290 Marion Street, Denver, CO
Corner of 13th and Marion

Maybe someone here should make a call to the funky coffeehouse and attempt some interviews of folks attending the weekly meetings.

Gypsy House Cafe
1279 Marion St, Denver, CO
(303) 830-1112

[chlamor]

Recreate-68 Alliance Media Communique #1
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

January 21, 2007 CONTACT:

Glenn Spagnuolo - 720-771-4669

Mark Cohen - 303-733-7037

Larry Hales – 720-979-9491

PROTEST ACTIVITIES BEGIN TO GEAR-UP FOR THE 2008 DENVER DNC!

DENVER, January 21, 2007 – Local activists representing diverse communities and issues began the long and arduous task of organizing a national protest in response to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver. Activists from the Latino, African- American, Native American, and White communities representing such different issues as racism, anti-war, anti-globalization, immigration, indigenous rights and others have agreed to work together to create a week of political solidarity in resistance and protest that will rival any seen to date surrounding a political convention.

Organizers have been meeting and planning a national strategy utilizing a method of participatory democracy that assures the voices of the minority and oppressed communities are equal and heard by all. A press conference explaining this diverse group’s position in more detail will be held within the next few weeks. Please be alert to a follow- up media communique to be released soon. Additional information can be found by visiting the group’s virtual community convergence center at www.recreate68.org.

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Send the phone numbers to Malloy and see if he'll hold interviews. His conjecture is shaky at best. His sleuthing is not so keen.