Let's buy a bridge = A theory of RA in the United States.

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Let's buy a bridge = A theory of RA in the United States.

Postby lightningBugout » Mon May 11, 2009 8:33 pm

This whole "is RI dying" question has me returning to something that, I believe it was, Chiggerbit pointed out - it seems likely that RI attracted the attention of *someone* important who didn't like what was happening here. Why? Because of the daily focus on RA/MC. Let's go with that.

I say, lets raise the stakes and start burrowing down that rabbit hole ever more seriously until we spring out of the ground smack dab in the middle of the dominant reality with something to pass around and a way to spread the word.

So far we have multitudinous bits and pieces, survivor's stories, provocative lines in CIA memos, a questionable cottage industry, and more.

How would you put it all together? How would you theorize RA/MC?

My best and partly personally informed guess goes something like this:

RA (speaking here of "private" RA as distinct from the form that exists in the intelligence community) exists as its own subculture. Bearing some resemblance to the old KKK in its ability to be hidden in plain view. It is comprised of cells that are largely independent of one another. They draw on the same techniques and inspiration. Chief among the latter is a reverence for the Man-Boy love of antiquity. The former is a refined art form. CIA research into DID, NLP, got leaked onto the black market at some point and has been studied and adopted here. The vetting process to join is arduous. Like child pornographers on the internet, a new member must offer up proof of his commitment. How are new members chosen? Presumably by being men of power and prestige. Somewhere within there is a rather pompous note of doing as the Greeks did - molesting boys (and girls).

Members have a series of safe places. Many have a converted room in their home (recall the Austrian sociopath who enslaved his daughter in a secret basement apartment). Others have access, by social positioning, to all-purpose spaces (church, farm, etc) that are private at night.

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Postby American Dream » Mon May 11, 2009 9:06 pm

I think you're on to something and I have a few random thoughts to add to the mix:

Ritual abuse includes things like the femicide in Juarez and Chihuahua. I'm sure that while there are rank and file perpetrators who "believe" in occult doctrines like a literal form of Satanism, and I'm guessing that there are people at higher levels who don't necessarily "believe" in the same way.

It is incredibly powerful in a political sense, not just because of those who get to indulge their sick desires protected by privilege, but also because of the blackmail potential. This must create incredibly powerful group cohesion, ala Skull and Bones.

If there was a Cold War pact between intelligence agencies and underground cults, then there must have been a powerful explosion of this sort of activity- kind of like corporate franchising. The addition of scientists to the mix is a powerful new twist. Groups like NAMBLA must form a bridge between intel-connected perps and all the rest, who will hear about and use the new techniques.

Finally the scariest part of all: "that RI attracted the attention of *someone* important who didn't like what was happening here. Why? Because of the daily focus on RA/MC."

This is scary to me because it rings so true...
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon May 11, 2009 9:17 pm

One thing I've heard repeatedly 2nd hand from a self-described deprogrammer is that, for instance, one of the groups most actively doing MC in the states during the 1980's was made up of government officials and members of the intelligence community but that their membership was extra-curricular and that the body had no official standing.

I think Hava has sometimes posted about similar Israeli groups. (Where is she anyways?).
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon May 11, 2009 9:33 pm

American Dream wrote:It is incredibly powerful in a political sense, not just because of those who get to indulge their sick desires protected by privilege, but also because of the blackmail potential. This must create incredibly powerful group cohesion, ala Skull and Bones.


I think Jeff among many others has more or less documented that pedophiliac honeypot operations are a recognized part of the intel world. Nick Bryant's book (if it ever gets released and if John DeCamp is to be believed) will hopefuly put the last nail in the coffin. Hopefully he will get as far up the ladder as George Bush senior, though I'll settle for some of his admin members.

American Dream wrote:Finally the scariest part of all: "that RI attracted the attention of *someone* important who didn't like what was happening here. Why? Because of the daily focus on RA/MC."

This is scary to me because it rings so true...


I think it was chiggerbit. I also think it makes sense. And I'd personally like to keep pushing that envelope.

Franklin always seems to be the key to exposing the old-boys high-power governmental pedophilia network. Its surrounded by so many deaths (esp. "suicides, so many whistleblowers who've been systematically crippled, so much fearfulness by the media, etc. I don't want to recall theremy unnecessarily but it seems to me that, if there was a single piece of writing that people cited to demonstrate TD's delusions, it was the Gaskill/Cownie/Omaha/TBMC piece. What does that mean?

And the Finders case. To me that remains the most damning piece of evidence for the CIA-TBMC-cults connection and the ability by TPTB to impose a media blackout. Presumably given the timeframe the Finders were also connected to Larry King and the house in DC which had built in audio/video recording for honeypot operations.
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Postby American Dream » Mon May 11, 2009 9:40 pm

There is a somewhat controversial deprogrammer who claims that they have learned from survivors that there was a small circle of scientists and doctors from various parts of Europe and North America who back in the 30's began a no-holds barred quest for total control of the human mind. Their efforts preceded BLUEBIRD/ARTICHOKE, but led up to it in some way.

The same person who told me about this also told me about a "witch" from Germany who came to California after the war- a highly committed occultist who has allegedly abused thousands of children in her life.

Now assuming both these stories are "true", which granted is somewhat of a leap of faith, the fusion of these two kinds of archetypes must have, for the MKULTRA insiders represented a very, very heady fusion of two powerful currents- which especially given the political protections they probably enjoyed must have brought with it a megalomaniacal, "we're going to take over the world" sense of power.

This is what we're up against, and these are some of the kinds of people who wouldn't want Rigorous Intuition to be a place where people are actively and productively getting at the deeper truths. Therefore we should do it as best we can.
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon May 11, 2009 9:56 pm

I like your example because it describes what, for me, is a giant brick wall that I have no idea how to get through. Because:

1. I don't believe in all powerful and singular explanations for historical events and phenomena. They immediately sound like fairytales. ie "The evil witch flew across the sea and did her magic...."

2. I immediately react by considering what biases would make someone prone to believe that same story. Generally I picture some kind of credulous, anti-semitic fundamentalist, or an overweight secretary in the audience of a Geraldo Rivera show from the 1980s.

Yet.

I'm 90% sure I know of the deprogrammer you referred to. And if its him, I know that literally thousands of very well-educated, smart, savvy therapists have attended his seminar. And that he is highly respected by alot of people whom I, in turn, respect.

How can we start to reconcile all this cognitive dissonace?

Also, can we create a timeline?

I am curious what it would look like if plotted all known dates from

Franklin, Finders, CIA memos, Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor, etc.
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Postby OP ED » Mon May 11, 2009 10:31 pm

nowadays, the non graphic-programming-challenged folks can make a display that illustrates a spacetimeline.

it may sound redundant given the ability to make lists of recurring locations, but this sort of technique has been used successfully to discover patterns in movements of similar criminal types, whether alone or organized into crime networks.

the problem, IMO, comes in any attempt to establish continuous criteria for evaluating the relative "truth" in any particular account and how this relative truth is to be represented wrt graphic spacetimelines.
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Postby American Dream » Mon May 11, 2009 11:16 pm

lightningbugout wrote:
I like your example because it describes what, for me, is a giant brick wall that I have no idea how to get through. Because:

1. I don't believe in all powerful and singular explanations for historical events and phenomena. They immediately sound like fairytales. ie "The evil witch flew across the sea and did her magic...."

2. I immediately react by considering what biases would make someone prone to believe that same story. Generally I picture some kind of credulous, anti-semitic fundamentalist, or an overweight secretary in the audience of a Geraldo Rivera show from the 1980s.

Yet.

I'm 90% sure I know of the deprogrammer you referred to. And if its him, I know that literally thousands of very well-educated, smart, savvy therapists have attended his seminar. And that he is highly respected by alot of people whom I, in turn, respect.

How can we start to reconcile all this cognitive dissonace?

I should clarify that the first story- about the mind control doctors in the 30's, originated from a different original source than the second- about the German "witch". As to if they're both verifiably true, I really have no idea.

And yeah, there's so much more like that when you get into the world of first-person accounts of mind control- the Cathys and Bryces and Barbaras and Kathleens and Carols of the world. My sense is, there's a lot of good stuff there, but also a lot of crap.

So maybe the way to reconcile the dissonance is to be skeptical for breakfast and gullible for lunch and later in the day try to find some kind of balance between the two.
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Postby nathan28 » Tue May 12, 2009 7:54 am

I do agree, the RA/MC thing is what really does seem to shine light on the cockroaches lurking around here. Likewise a lot of the RA survivor claimants were not playing entirely above board: the sock puppets, for a start. It's very strange. Is that a private op or one with public funding?

I likewise think OP ED has a point about the "truth" problem. There's a lot of horseshit in this area, and probably for good reason (e.g., the fact that actual alphabet soup agencies use actual pedo-honeypots) and for a lot of wrong reasons. E.g., Tracy Twynman (OMG she wuz photografed wif Boyd Rice teh Nazi twenty yeers ago) says that in an interview she came across Cathy O'Brien and her handler/husband claim to have invented the term MONARCH for no particular reason. Whoops.
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Postby lightningBugout » Tue May 12, 2009 9:06 am

I'm thinking there's enough of us who are survivors and/or have read enough that it would be interesting what would happen if we tried working together to establish a strong hypothesis. IOW a few of us looking for the "truth" are more likely to stumble on it than anyone of us alone.

Plus it'll be fun to watch the spooks show up ....
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Postby sunny » Tue May 12, 2009 10:13 am

Nancy Krebs police interview (hosted in it's entirety in the Data Dump) in re: the JonBenet Ramsey case gives a fascinating and highly disturbing inside glimpse of "private" multigenerational pedophile cults. One thing that stands out to me in what she said is the fact that her family and other members of the group were profiting from films made of the abuse. Child porn is a multi-billion dollar a year business and this aspect of the cults and the sort of connections and motivations they have should not be overlooked.

RI attracted the attention of *someone* important who didn't like what was happening here. Why? Because of the daily focus on RA/MC."

I said that and I thoroughly believe it.
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Postby American Dream » Tue May 12, 2009 10:22 am

Since there is a lot of undermining that is and has been done by portraying all of this as the result of false memories, mental illness, fantasies and lies, I think it's important to identify the cases where there is corroborating evidence, and also ones that point to a larger network and/or institutional ties. These would be the most strategically important ones, in my opinion.

I do think that Franklin and Finders fit that bill. Certainly there are others such as Presidio, but one question would be concern what specifically we are trying to map: RA? MC? TBMC? Government-sponsored MK?
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Postby lightningBugout » Tue May 12, 2009 10:43 am

American Dream wrote:Since there is a lot of undermining that is and has been done by portraying all of this as the result of false memories, mental illness, fantasies and lies, I think it's important to identify the cases where there is corroborating evidence, and also ones that point to a larger network and/or institutional ties. These would be the most strategically important ones, in my opinion.


Agreed but we need to also acknowledge there are some very compelling reasons why there is no evidence in the legal sense.
American Dream wrote:I do think that Franklin and Finders fit that bill. Certainly there are others such as Presidio, but one question would be concern what specifically we are trying to map: RA? MC? TBMC? Government-sponsored MK?


IMO Franklin and the Finders are by far the best bet at figuring out the rest of it. The Finders media blackout and ensuing coverup is just simply jaw-dropping. As far as what, I personally would like to see how we could roughly sketch out all of the above. In other words, at very least finding a placeholder for things and then reaching some sort of agreement about what info should get inserted into it.

ps. sorry I mis-attributed your thoughts, sunny. btw what are your overall thoughts on krebs. how do they fit with this larger picture and do you believe (I do) that JonBenet was killed in an RA event?
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Postby bubblefunk » Tue May 12, 2009 12:01 pm

It is NOT fucking "fun to watch the spooks come out". You can tell that shit to Doro222.
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a key for me for understanding the truth

Postby marmot » Tue May 12, 2009 12:32 pm

Paul in Ephesians 6:12 wrote:For our struggle is not against human opponents, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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