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Postby Jeff » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:21 pm

Disclaimer: I don't trust Collins, but I don't trust Hawass either.

Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
Aug. 13, 2009

Aug. 13, 2009 -- An enormous system of caves, chambers and tunnels lies hidden beneath the Pyramids of Giza, according to a British explorer who claims to have found the lost underworld of the pharaohs.

Populated by bats and venomous spiders, the underground complex was found in the limestone bedrock beneath the pyramid field at Giza.

"There is untouched archaeology down there, as well as a delicate ecosystem that includes colonies of bats and a species of spider which we have tentatively identified as the white widow," British explorer Andrew Collins said.

Collins, who will detail his findings in the book "Beneath the Pyramids" to be published in September, tracked down the entrance to the mysterious underworld after reading the forgotten memoirs of a 19th century diplomat and explorer.

"In his memoirs, British consul general Henry Salt recounts how he investigated an underground system of 'catacombs' at Giza in 1817 in the company of Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia," Collins said.

The document records that the two explored the caves for a distance of "several hundred yards," coming upon four large chambers from which stretched further cave passageways.

With the help of British Egyptologist Nigel Skinner-Simpson, Collins reconstructed Salt's exploration on the plateau, eventually locating the entrance to the lost catacombs in an apparently unrecorded tomb west of the Great Pyramid.

Indeed, the tomb featured a crack in the rock, which led into a massive natural cave.

"We explored the caves before the air became too thin to continue. They are highly dangerous, with unseen pits and hollows, colonies of bats and venomous spiders," said Collins.

According to Collins, the caves -- which are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years old -- may have both inspired the development of the pyramid field and the ancient Egyptian's belief in an underworld.

"Ancient funerary texts clearly allude to the existence of a subterranean world in the vicinity of the Giza pyramids," Collins told Discovery News.

Indeed, Giza was known anciently as Rostau, meaning the "mouth of the passages."

This is the same name as a region of the ancient Egyptian underworld known as the Duat.

"The 'mouth of the passages' is unquestionably a reference to the entrance to a subterranean cave world, one long rumored to exist beneath the plateau," Collins told Discovery News.

Collins' claim is expected to cause a stir in the Egyptological world.

Zahi Hawass, chief of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, has dismissed the discovery.

"There are no new discoveries to be made at Giza. We know everything about the plateau," he stated.

But Collins remarks that after extensive research, he found no mention of the caves in modern times.

"To the best of our knowledge nothing has ever been written or recorded about these caves since Salt's explorations. If Hawass does have any report related to these caves, we have yet to see it," Collins said.

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Postby slimmouse » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:39 pm

Jeff wrote:Disclaimer: I don't trust Collins, but I don't trust Hawass either.

We know everything about the plateau," he (Hawass ) stated.



Well coming from a man who believes the Sphinx is only approx 5000 years old, I would suggest that he either dont know much for such an expert, or hes part of the "Church of Progress" as John Anthony West would put it.
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slimmouse wrote:
Jeff wrote:Disclaimer: I don't trust Collins, but I don't trust Hawass either.

We know everything about the plateau," he (Hawass ) stated.



Well coming from a man who believes the Sphinx is only approx 5000 years old, I would suggest that he either dont know much for such an expert, or hes part of the "Church of Progress" as John Anthony West would put it.


Yes, that was either an absurd or absurdly disingenuous remark. One of his best.
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From NEXUS MAGAZINE APRIL-MAY 2004

Ancient cities under the sands of Giza
By TONY BUSHBY - from chapter 8 of his book: THE SECRET OF THE BIBLE
(mistakes on words may occure as text is scanned and some headlines added)


THE LOST HISTORY OF THE PYRAMIDS

"the Giza-plateau and old Cairo are crisscrossed with subterranean passageways, shafts, natural caverns, lakes and chambers that contain surprising artefacts, but Egyptian authorities are not ready to reveal these to the public"

To comprehend fully the secret information in the Bible, it is important to understand the extent of the subterranean tunnel system and associated chamber facilities existing below the surface of the Pyramid Plateau, for it was there that
major elements of Mystery School teachings developed, What happened under the sands thousands of years ago is not reflected in today's history books, and discoveries made in the last eight decades or so verify that point.

The Fayum Oasis district, just a few kilometres outside the boundary of the Memphis Nome, presents a site of unusual interest. It was in that lush, fertile valley that Pharaohs calling themselves the "masters of the royal hunts" fished and hunted with the boomerang (1), Lake Moeris once bordered the Fayum Oasis and on its shores was the famous Labyrinth, described by Herodotus as "an endless wonder to me". The Labyrinth contained 1500 rooms and an equal number of underground chambers that the Greek historian was not permitted to inspect, according to Labyrinth priests, "the passages were baffling and intricate", designed to provide safety for the numerous scrolls they said were hidden in subterranean apartments. That massive complex particularly impressed Herodotus and he spoke in awe of the structure:

There I saw twelve palaces regularly disposed, which had communication with each
other, interspersed with terraces and arranged around twelve halls. It is hard to believe they are the work of man, The walls are covered with carved figures, and each court is exquisitely built of white marble and surrounded by a colonnade. Near the corner where the labyrinth ends, there is a p yramid, two hundred and forty feet in
height, with great carved figures of animals on it and an underground passage by which it can be entered. I was told very credibly that underground chambers and passages connected this pyramid with the pyramids at Memphis.


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underground passages connecting pyramids

The pyramids at Memphis were the pyramids at Giza, for Giza was originally called Memphis (see reference, "Giza formerly Memphis" on Nordan's map from Travels in Egypt and Nubia, 1757, on page 152 of previous chapter).

Many ancient writers supported Herodotus' record of underground passages connecting major pyramids, and their evidence casts doubt on the reliability of traditionally presented Egyptian history . Crantor(300 BC) stated that there were certain underground pillars in Egypt that contained a written stone record of pre-history , and they lined accessways con-necting the pyramids. In his celebrated study, On the Mysteries, particularly those of the Egyptians, Chaldeans and the Assyrians, Iamblichus, a fourth-century Syrian representa-tive of the Alexandrian School of mystical and philosophical studies, recorded this infor-mation about an entranceway through the body of the Sphinx into the Great Pyramid (2):



This entrance, obstructed in our day by sands and rubbish, may still be traced between the forelegs of the crouched colossus, It was formerly closed by a bronze gate whose secret spring could be operated only by the Magi. It was guarded by
public respect, and a sort of religious fear maintained its inviolability better than armed protection would have done. In the belly of the Sphinx were cut out galleries leading to the subterranean part of the Great Pyramid. These galleries were so art-fully crisscrossed along their course to the Pyramid that, in setting forth into the passage without a guide throughout this network, one ceasingly and inevitably returned to the starting point.

It was recorded in ancient Sumerian cylinder seals that the
secret abode of the Anunnaki was "an underground
place. . . entered through a tunnel, its entrance hidden by sand and
by what they call Huwana. . .his teeth as the teeth of a dragon, his
face the face of a lion". That remarkable old text, unfortunately
fragmented, added that "He [Huwana] is unable to move forward,
nor is he able to move back", but they crept up on him from
behind and the way to "the secret abode of the Anunnaki" was no
longer blocked. The Sumerian record provided a probable
description of the lion-headed Sphinx at Giza, and if that great
creature was built to guard or obliterate ancient stairways and
lower passages leading to subterranean areas below and around it,
then its symbolism was most appropriate.



Local 19th-century Arab lore maintained that existing under the
Sphinx are secret chambers holding treasures or magical objects.
That belief was bolstered by the writings of the first-century
Roman historian Pliny, who wrote that deep below the Sphinx is concealed the "tomb of a ruler named Harmakhis that contains great
treasure", and, strangely enough, the Sphinx itself was once called "The Great Sphinx Harmakhis who mounted guard since the time of the Followers of Horus " . The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus

Marcellinus made additional disclosures about the existence of subterranean vaults that appeared to lead to the interior of the Great pyramid (3):

Inscriptions which the ancients asserted were engraved on the walls of certain underground galleries and passageswere constructed deep in the dark interior to preserve ancient wisdom from being lost in the flood.

A manuscript compiled by an Arab writer named Altelemsani is preserved in the British Museum, and it records the existence of a long, square, under-ground passage between the Great Pyramid and the River Nile with a "strange thing" blocking the Nile entrance. He related the following episode:

In the days of Ahmed Ben Touloun, a party entered the Great pyramid through

the tunnel and found in a side-chamber a
goblet of glass of rare colour and texture. As they were leav-
ing, they missed one of the party and, upon returning to seek
him, he came out to them naked and laughing said, "Do not
follow or seek for me " , and then rushed back into the
pyramid. His friends perceived that he was enchanted.

Upon learning about strange happenings under the Pyramid,
Ahmed Ben Touloun expressed a desire to see the goblet of glass.
During the examination, it was filled with water and weighed,
then emptied and re-weighed. The historian wrote that it was
"found to be of the same weight when empty as when full of
water" . If the chronicle is accurate, that lack of additional weight
provided indirect evidence of the existence of an extraordinary
science at Giza.

According to Masoudi in the 10th century, mechanical statues
with amazing capabilities guarded subterranean galleries under the Great Pyramid. Written one thousand years ago, his descrip-
tion is comparable to the computerised robots shown today in
space movies. Masoudi said that the automatons were pro-
grammed for intolerance, for they destroyed all "except those who
by their conduct were worthy of admission". Masoudi contended
that "written accounts of Wisdom and acquirements in the differ-
ent arts and sciences were hidden deep, that they might remain as
records for the benefit of those who could afterwards comprehend
them ". That is phenomenal information, as it is possible that,
since the times of Masoudi, "worthy" persons have seen the mys-
terious underground chambers. Masoudi confessed, "I have seen
things that one does not describe for fear of making people doubt
one's intelligence...but still I have seen them".

In the same century , another writer, Muterdi, gave an account of a bizarre incident in a narrow passage under Giza, where a group of people were horrified to see one of their party crushed to death by a stone door that, by itself, suddenly slid out from the face of the passageway and closed the corridor in front of them.


Old records confirmed
Herodotus said Egyptian priests recited to him their long-held tradition of "the forma-tion of underground apartments" by the original developers of Memphis. The most ancient inscriptions therefore suggested that there existed some sort of extensive chamber system below the surf'i.ce of the areas sur-rounding the Sphinx and pyramids.

Those old records were confirmed when the presence of a large cavity was discovered in a seismic survey conducted at the site in
1993. That detection was publicly acknowledged in a documentary called The Mystery of the Sphinx, screened to an audience of 30 million people on NBC TV later that year.

The existence of chambers under the Sphinx is well known. Egyptian authorities confirmed another discovery in 1994; its unearthing was announced in a newspaper report that was carried under the headline, "Mystery Tunnel in Sphinx":
Workers repairing the ailing Sphinx have discovered an ancient
passage leading deep into the body of the mysterious monument.

The Giza Antiquities chief, Mr Zahi Hawass, said there was no dispute the tunnel was very old. However, what is puzzling is: who built the passage?
Why? And where does it lead...? Mr Hawass said he had no
plans to remove the stones blocking the entrance. The secret
tunnel burrows into the northern side of the Sphinx, about
halfway between the Sphinx's outstretched paws and its tail.(4)

The popular supposition that the Sphinx is the true portal of the
Great Pyramid has survived with surprising tenacity. That belief
was substantiated by 100-year-old plans prepared by Masonic and
Rosicrucian initiates, showing the Sphinx was the ornament sur-
mounting a hall that communicated with all Pyramids by radiating
underground passages. Those plans were compiled frominforma-
tion originally discovered by the supposed founder of the Order of
the Rosicrucians, Christian Rosenkreuz, who allegedly penetrated
a "secret chamber beneath the ground" and there found a library
of books full of secret knowledge.

The schematic drawings were produced from information pos-
sessed by mystery school archivists before sand-clearing com-
menced in 1925, and revealed hidden doors to long - forgotten
reception halls, small temples and other enclosures. (Those plans
are included in "The Master Plan" section at the end of the book.)
The knowledge of the mystery schools was strengthened by a
series of remarkable discoveries in 1935 that provided proof of
additional passageways and chambers interlacing the area below
the Pyramids. The Giza complex showed major elements of
being a purposely built, uniting structure with the Sphinx, the
Great Pyramid and the Temple of the Solar-men directly related to
each other, above and below the ground.



Chambers detected by ground penetrating radar

Chambers and passageways detected by sophisticated seismo-
graph and ground penetrating radar (GPR) equipment in the last
few years established the accuracy of the plans. Egypt is also suc-
cessfully using sophisticated satellites to identify sites buried
beneath the surface at Giza and other locations. The novel track-
ing system was launched at the begin-ning of 1998 and the location of 27 unexcavated sites in five areas was precisely determined. Nine of those sites are on Luxor's east bank and the others are in Giza, Abu Rawash, Saqqara and Dashur. The printouts of the Giza area show an almost incomprehensible mass of net-like tunnels and chambers crisscrossing the area, intersecting and entwining each other like latticework extending out across the entire plateau.

With the space surveillance project, Egyptologists are able to determine the location of a major site, its probable entrance and the size of chambers before starting excavations. Particular attention is being focused on three secret locations: an area in the desert a few hundred metres west/southwest of the original location of the Black Pyramid, around which is currently being built a massive system of con- crete walls seven metres high covering eight square kilometres; the ancient highway that linked the Luxor temple with Karnak; and the "Way of Horus" across northern Sinai.



HEADLINE NEWS

Among the mystics or members of Egyptian mystery schools,
tradition explained that the Great Pyramid was great in many
ways. Despite the fact that it was not entered until the year 820,
the secret schools of pre-Christian Egypt insisted that the interior
layout was well known to them. They constantly claimed that it
was not a tomb nor a burial chamber of any kind, except that it
did have one chamber for symbolic burial as part of an initiation
ritual.

According to mystical traditions, the interior was entered gradu-
ally and in various stages via underground passageways .
Different chambers were said to have existed at the end of each
phase of progress, with the highest and ultimate initiatory stage
represented by the now-called King's Chamber .

Little by little, the traditions of the mystery schools were veri-
fied by archaeological discoveries, for it was ascertained in 1935
that there was a subterranean connection between the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid and that a tunnel connected the Sphinx to the
ancient temple located on its southern side (today called the
Temple of the Sphinx).

As Emile Baraize's massive 11-year sand and seashell clearing
project neared completion in 1935, remarkable stories started to
emerge about discoveries made during the clearing project. A
magazine article, written and published in 1935 by Hamilton M.
Wright, dealt with an extraordinary discovery under the sands of
Giza that is today denied. The article was accompanied by origi-
nal photographs provided by Dr Selim Hassan, the leader of the
scientific investigative team from the University of Cairo who
made the discovery. It said:

We have discovered a subway used by the ancient Egyptians
of 5000 years ago. It passes beneath the causeway leading
between the second Pyramid and the Sphinx. It provides a
means of pqssing under the causeway from the Cheops
Pyramid to the Pyramid of Chephren [Khephren] . From this
subway, we have unearthed a series of shafts leading down more
than 125 feet, with roomy courts and side chambers .

Around the same time, the international news media released further
details of the find.

The underground connector complex was originally built between the Great pyramid and the Temple of the Solarmen, for the Pyramid of Khephren was a later and superficial structure. The subway and its apartments were exca-vated out of solid, living bedrock-a truly extraordinary feat, considering it was built thousands of years ago.

There is more to the story of under-ground chambers at Giza, for media reports described the unearthing of a subterranean passageway between the Temple of the Solar-men on the plateau and the Temple of the Sphinx in the valley. That passageway had been unearthed a few years before the release and publication of that particular newspaper article.

The discoveries led Dr Selim Hassan and others to believe and publicly state that, while the age of the Sphinx was always enigmatic in the past, it may have been part of the great architectural plan that was deliberately arranged and carried out in association with the erection of the Great Pyramid.


Archaeologists made another major discovery at that time.
Around halfway between the Sphinx and Khephren's Pyramid were discovered four enormous vertical shafts, each around eight feet square, leading straight down through solid limestone. It is called "Campbell's Tomb" on the Masonic and Rosicrucian plans, and "that shaft complex", said Dr Selim Hassan, "ended in a spacious room, in the centre of which was another shaft that descend-ed to a roomy court flanked with seven side chambers ". Some of the chambers contained huge, sealed sarcophagi of basalt and granite, 18 feet high.

The discovery went further and found that in one of the seven rooms there was yet a third vertical shaft, dropping down deeply to a much lower chamber. At the time of its discovery , it was flooded with water that partly covered a solitary white sarcophagus.

That chamber was named the "Tomb of Osiris" and was shown
being "opened for the first time" on a fabricated television docu-
mentary in March 1999. While originally exploring in this area in
1935, Dr Selim Hassan said:

We are hoping to find some monuments of importance after
clearing out this water. The total depth of these series of
shafts is more than 40 metres or more than 125 feet. . . In the
cour,'!e of clearing the southern part of the subway, there was
found a very fine head of a statue which is very expressive in
every detail of the face .



According to a separate newspaper report of the time, the statue
was an excellent sculpted bust of Queen Nefertiti, described as "a
beautiful example of that rare type of art inaugurated in the
Amenhotep regime". The whereabouts of that statue today are
unknown.

The report also described other chambers and rooms beneath
the sands, all interconnected by secret and ornate passageways.
Dr Selim Hassan revealed that not only are there inner and outer
courts, but they also found a room they named the "Chapel of
Offering" that had been cut into a huge, rock outcrop between
Campbell's Tomb and the Great Pyramid. In the centre of the
chapel are three ornate vertical pillars standing in a triangular
shaped layout. Those pillars are highly significant points in this
study, for their existence is recorded in the Bible. The conclusion
drawn is that Ezra, the initiated Torah writer (c. 397 BC), knew
the subterranean layout of passages and chambers at Giza before
he wrote the Torah.



That underground design was probably the
origin of the triangular shaped layout around the central altar in a
Masonic lodge. In Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus, in the first
century, wrote that Enoch of Old Testament fame constructed an
underground temple consisting of nine chambers. In a deep vault
inside one chamber with three vertical colpmns, he placed a
triangular-shaped tablet of gold bearing upon it the absolute name of the Deity (God).

The description of Enoch's chambers was
similar to the description of the Chapel of Offering under the sand
just east of the Great Pyramid.

An anteroom much like a burial chamber, but "undoubtedly a
room of initiation and reception "(5) was found higher up the
plateau closer to the Great Pyramid and at the upper end of a slop-
ing passage, cut deep into rock on the northwest side of the
Chamber of Offering (between the Chamber of Offering and the
Great Pyramid). In the centre of the chamber is a 12-foot long
sarcophagus of white Turah limestone and a collection of fine
alabaster vessels. The walls are beautifully sculpted with scenes,
inscriptions and emblems of particularly the lotus flower. The
descriptions of alabaster vessels and the emblematic lotus flower
have remarkable parallels with what was found in the temple-
workshop on the summit of Mt Sinai/Horeb by Sir William Petrie
in 1904.



Additional underground rooms, chambers, temples and
hallways were discovered, some with vertical circular stone
support columns, and others with wall carvings of delicate figures
of goddesses clothed in beautiful apparel. Dr Selim Hassan's
report described other magnificently carved figures and many
beautifully coloured friezes. Photographs were taken and one
author and researcher who saw them, Rosicrucian H. Spencer
Lewis recorded that he was "deeply impressed" with the images.
It is not known where the rare specimens of art and relics are
today, but some were rumoured to have been smuggled out of
Egypt by private collectors.



The foregoing particulars are but a few contained in Dr Selim
Hassan's extensive report that was published in 1944 by the
Government Press, Cairo, under the title Excavations at Giza (10
volumes). Howevet, that is just a mere fragment of the whole
truth of what is under the area of the Pyramids. In the last year of
sand clearing, workers uncovered the most amazing discovery
that stunned the world and attracted international media coverage.







Picture-txt: At the time of Herodotus' visit, there were two large pyramids with "colossal" seated figures on top in the centre of Lake Moeris.
This is a pre-1851 engraving of one of those pyramids.

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"the city" deep in huge natural cavern

Archaeologists in charge of the discovery were "bewildered" at
what they had unearthed, and stated that the city was the most
beautifully planned they had ever seen. It is replete with temples,
pastel-painted peasant dwellings, workshops, stables and other
buildings including a palace. Complete with hydraulic under-
ground waterways, it has a perfect drainage system along with
other modern amenities. The intriguing question that arises out of
the discovery is: where is that city today?

Its secret location was recently revealed to a select group of
people who were given permission to explore and film the city. It
exists in a huge natural cavern system below the Giza Plateau that
extends out in an easterly direction under Cairo. Its main entry is
from inside the Sphinx, with stairs cut into rock that lead down to
the cavern below the bedrock of the River Nile.

The expedition carried down generators and inflatable rafts and
travelled along an underground river that led to a lake one kilometre wide. On the shores
of the lake nestles the city, and permanent lighting is provided by large crystalline balls
set into the cavern walls and ceiling. A second entry to the city is found in stairs leading
up to the basement of the Coptic Church in old Cairo (Babylon). Drawing from narra-tives of people "living in the Earth" given in the books of Genesis, Jasher and Enoch, it is possible that the city was originally called Gigal.

Film footage of the expedition was shot and a documentary called Chamber of the Deep was made and subsequently shown to private audiences. It was
originally intended to release the
footage to the general public, but for some reason it was withheld.

A multi-faceted spherical crystalline
object the size of a baseball was brought
up from the city, and its supernatural
nature was demonstrated at a recent
conference in Australia. Deep within
the solid object are various hieroglyphs
that slowly turn over like pages of a
book when mentally requested to do so
by whoever holds the object. That
remarkable item revealed an unknown form of technology

and was recently sent to NASA in the USA for analysis.



Historical documents recorded that, during the 20th century,
staggering discoveries not spoken of today were made at Giza and
Mt Sinai, and Egyptian rumours of the discovery of another
underground city within a 28-mile radius of the Great Pyramid
abound. In 1964, more than 30 enormous, multilevelled subsur-
face cities were discovered in the old Turkish kingdom of
Cappadocia. One city alone contained huge caverns, rooms and
hallways that archaeologists estimated supported as many as
2,000 households, providing living facilities for 8,000 to 10,000
people. Their very existence constitutes evidence that many such
subterranean worlds lie waiting to be found below the surface of
the Earth.

Excavations at Giza have revealed underground subways,
temples, sarcophagi and one interconnected subterranean city, and
validation that underground passageways connected the Sphinx to
the Pyramids is another step towards proving that the whole
complex is carefully and specifically thought out.



OFFICIAL DENIALS

Because of Dr Selim Hassan's excavations and modern space
surveillance techniques, the records and traditions of the ancient Egyptian mystery schools that claim to preserve secret knowlege of the Giza Plateau all rose to the highest degree of acceptability.


However, one of the most puzzling aspects of the discovery of
underground facilities at Giza is the repeated denial of their
existence by Egyptian authorities and academic institutions. So persistent are their refutations that the claims of mystery schools were doubted by the public and suspected of being fabricated in order to mystify visitors to Egypt. The scholastic attitude is typified by a Harvard University public statement in 1972:

No one should pay any attention to the preposterous claims
in regard to the interior of the Great Pyramid or the pre-
sumed passageways and unexcavated temples and halls
beneath the sand in the Pyramid district
made by those who are as lociated with
the so-called ,secret cults or mystery
societies of Egypt and the Orient. These
things exist only in the minds of those
who seek to attract the seekers for mys-
tery, and the more we deny the existence
of these things, the more the public is
led to suspect that we are deliberately
trying to hide that which constitutes one
of the great secrets of Egypt. It is better
for us to ignore all of these claims than
merely deny them. All of our excava-
tions in the territory of the Pyramid
have failed to reveal any under-
ground passageways or halls, tempies, grottos , or

anything of the kind except the one temple adjoining the Sphinx.



It was well enough for scholarly
opinion to make such a statement on
the subject, but in preceding years, offi-
cial claims were made stating that there
was no temple adjoining the Sphinx.
The assertion that every inch of the ter-
ritory around the Sphinx and pyramids
had been explored deeply and thor-
oughly was disproved when the temple
adjoining the Sphinx was discovered in the sand and eventually opened to the public. On matters outside official policy, there appears to be a hidden level of censorship in operation, one designed to protect both Eastern and Western religions.



EVER-BURNING LAMPS

In spite of amazing discoveries, the stark truth is that the early
history of Egypt remains largely unknown and therefore
unmapped territory. It is not possible, then, to say precisely how miles of underground passageways and chambers beneath the Giza Plateau were lit, but one thing is for sure: unless the ancients could see in the dark, the vast subterranean areas were somehow illuminated. The same question is addressed of the interior of the Great Pyramid, and Egyptologists have agreed that flaming torches were not used, for ceilings had not been black-ened with residual smoke.



From what is currently known about subsurface passageways
under the Pyramid Plateau, it is possible to determine that there are at least three miles of passageways 10 to 12 storeys below ground level. Both the Book of the Dead and the Pyramid Texts make striking references to "The Light-makers", and that extraor-
dinary description may have referred to a body of people respon-
sible for lighting the subterranean areas of their complexes.
Iamblichus recorded a fascinating account that was found on a
very ancient Egyptian papyrus held in a mosque in Cairo. It was
part of a 100 BC story by an unknown author about a group of
people who gained entry to underground chambers around Giza
for exploratory purposes. They described their experience:



We came to a chamber. When we entered, it became auto-
matically illuminated by light from a tube being the height of
one man's hand [approx. 6 inches or 15.24 cm] and thin,
standing vertically in the corner. As we approached the tube,
it shone brighter. . .the slaves were scared and ran away in
the direction from which we had come! When I touched it, it
went out. We made every effort to get the tube to glow again,
but it would no longer provide light. In
some chambers the light tubes worked and
in others they did not. We broke open one
of the tubes and it bled beads of silver-
coloured liquid that ran fastly around the
floor until they disappeared between the cracks (mercury?)

As time went on, the light tubes gradu-
ally began to fail and the priests removed
them and stored them in an underground
vault they specially built southeast of the
plateau. It was their belief that the light
tubes were created by their beloved Imhotep,

who would some day return to make them work once again.



It was common practice among early Egyptians to seal lighted lamps in the
sepulchres of their dead as offerings to
their god or for the deceased to find their
way to the "other side". Among the
tombs near Memphis (and in the Brahmin
temples of India), lights were found oper-
ating in sealed chambers and vessels, but
sudden exposure to air extinguished them or caused their fuel to evaporate.(6)



Greeks and Romans later followed the custom, and the tradition became generally established-not only that of actual burning lamps, but minia-
ture reproductions made in terracotta were buried with the dead.
Some lamps were enclosed in circular vessels for protection, and
instances are recorded where the original oil was found perfectly
preserved in them after more than 2,000 years. There is ample
proof from eyewitnesses that lamps were burning when the sepul-
chres were sealed, and it was declared by later bystanders that
they were still burning when the vaults were opened hundreds of
years later.

The possibility of preparing a fuel that would renew itself as
rapidly as it was consumed was a source of considerable contro-
versy among mediaeval authors, and numerous documents exist
outlining their arguments. After due consideration of evidence at
hand, it seemed well within the range of possibility that ancient
Egyptian priest-chemists manufactured lamps that burned if not
indefinitely then at least for considerable periods of time.


Numerous authorities have written on the subject of ever-
burning lamps, with W. Wynn Westcott estimating that the number
of writers who have given the subject consideration as more than 150 and H. P. Blavatsky as 173. While conclusions reached by
different authors are at a variance, a majority admitted the
existence of the phenomenal lamps. Only a few maintained that
the lamps would burn forever, but many were willing to concede
that they might remain alight for several centuries without
replenishment of fuel.



It was generally believed that the wicks of those perpetual
lamps were made of braided or woven asbestos, called by early
alchemists "salamander's wool". The fuel appeared to have been
one of the products of alchemical research, possibly produced in
the temple on Mt Sinai. Several formulae for making fuel for the
lamps were preserved, and in H. P. Blavatsky's profound work,
Isis Unveiled, the author reprinted two complicated formulae from
earlier authors of a fuel that "when made and lighted, will burn
with a perpetual flame and you may set this lamp in any place
where you please ".

Some believe the fabled perpetual lamps of
temples to be cunning mechanical con-
trivances, and some quite humorous explana-
tions have been extended.

In Egypt, rich underground deposits of
asphalt and petroleum exist, and some would
have it that priests connected asbestos wicks
by a secret duct to an oil deposit, which in turn
connected to one or more lamps. Others
thought that the belief that lamps burned
indefinitely in tombs was the result of the fact
that in some cases fumes resembling smoke
poured forth from the entrances of newly
opened vaults. Parties going in later, and dis-
covering lamps scattered about the floor ,
assumed that they were the source of the
fumes. There were some well-docu-
mented stories concerning the discovery
of ever-burning lamps not only in Egypt
but also in other parts of the world.



De Montfaucon de Villars gave this
fascinating account of the opening of the
vault of Rosicrucian Christian
Rosenkreuz. When the Brethren entered
the tomb of their illustrious founder 120
years after his death, they found a perpet-
uallamp brightly shining in a suspended
manner from the ceiling. "There was a
statue in armour [a robot] which destroyed the source of light
when the chamber was opened."7 That is strangely similar to the
accounts of Arab historians who claimed that automatons guarded
galleries under the Great Pyramid.



A 17th-century account recorded another story about a robot.
In central England, a curious tomb was found containing an
automaton that moved when an intruder stepped upon certain
stones in the floor of the vault. At that time, the Rosicrucian con-
troversy was at its height, so it was decided that the tomb was that
of a Rosicrucian initiate. A countryman discovered the tomb,
entered and found the interior brilliantly lit by a lamp hanging
from the ceiling. As he walked toward the light, his weight
depressed the floor stones and, at once, a seated figure in heavy
armour began to move. Mechanically it rose to its feet and struck
the lamp with an iron baton, destroying it and thus effectively pre-
venting the discovery of the secret substance that maintained the
flame. How long the lamp had burned was unknown, but the
report said that it had been for a considerable number of years.


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Picture-txt: This is how the unearthing of a lost city was reported in one of many papers, the Sunday Express of 7 July 1935.



Picture-txt:

The world hears of the discovery of a "secret" Egyptian city (1935)(passim).


not in the NEXUS-article:

comment: in the book THE CAVE OF THE ANCIENTS - the tibetan Lobsang Rampa talks about these kind of lamps

short extract: " ...One sequence of pictures showed a group of thoughtful men planning what they termed a "Time Capsule" (what we called "The Cave of the Ancients"), wherein they could store for later generations working models of their machines and a complete, pictorial record of their culture and lack of it. Immense machines excavated the living rock. Hordes of men installed the models and the machines. We saw the cold light spheres hoisted in place, inert radio-active substances giving off light for millions of years. Inert in that it could not harm humans, active in that the light would continue almost until the end of Time itself.

We found that we could understand the language, then the explanation was shown, that we were obtaining the "speech" telepathically. Chambers such as this, or "Time Capsules", were concealed beneath the sands of Egypt, beneath a pyramid in South America, and at a certain spot in Siberia. Each place was marked by the symbol of the times; the Sphinx. We saw the great statues of the Sphinx, which did not originate in Egypt, and we received an explanation of its form. Man and animals talked and worked together in those far-off days. The cat was the most perfect animal for power and intelligence. Man himself is an animal, so the Ancients made a figure of a large cat body to indicate power and endurance, and upon the body they put the breasts and head of a woman. The head was to indicate human intelligence and reason, while the breasts indicated that Man and Animal could draw spiritual and mental nourishment each from the other. That Symbol was then as common as is Statues of Buddha, or the Star of David, or the Crucifix at the present day.

We saw oceans with great floating cities, which moved....


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Re: Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

Postby nathan28 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:06 pm

slimmouse wrote:
Jeff wrote:Disclaimer: I don't trust Collins, but I don't trust Hawass either.

We know everything about the plateau," he (Hawass ) stated.



Well coming from a man who believes the Sphinx is only approx 5000 years old, I would suggest that he either dont know much for such an expert, or hes part of the "Church of Progress" as John Anthony West would put it.


I've said it before--I don't trust the alternative Egyptologists in the slightest, though I do disbelieve much of the orthodoxy--I just don't like the origins and connections, or conclusions, of the alternativists.

And I'm not going to touch that thing about the Ennead with a sixty-foot pole.

What confounds me is that while Hawass is so duplicitous. There's been ongoing unofficial reports of official digging in Giza for what, almost ten years now, but he had been denying it? (And since when has an archaeological site warranted secrecy?) And Hawass poses as a strident orthodox Egyptologist, he's buddy-buddy with the Cayce folks, who were some of the driving proponents of the mainline alternative?
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Postby justdrew » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:23 pm

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/news/EQ12%20_2_beneath.htm
In March 2008 a exploration team, led by myself, Andrew Collins, discovered a massive underground complex of caves, passageways and compartments in the limestone bedrock beneath the pyramid field at Giza. Its existence had gone unnoticed since it was last mentioned in the memoirs of a British diplomat and explorer nearly 200 years ago. There is untouched archaeology down there, as well as a delicate eco-system that includes colonies of bats and a species of spider tentatively identified as the white widow. The caves are also said to be haunted by a mythical snake called el-Hanash.

In 2007 Sue Collins and I, with the help of British Egyptological researcher Nigel Skinner-Simpson, investigated an apparently unrecorded tomb west of the Great Pyramid, its only mention coming from a diary entry by the British explorer Col. Howard Vyse and his colleague, the British engineer, John Shae Perring. He records how in 1837 they explored the tomb, removing from its interior the mummy of a large bird. This and other indications in John Perring's subsequent plan of the plateau indicate that the tomb, with its various underground compartments, had been the focus of a local bird cult, either that of the falcon god Horus, the son of Hathor, or, more likely, Sokar, another falcon-headed deity. He was associated directly with Giza in its role as Rostau, the name given to the entrance of an underworld realm called the Duat, a theme found in various ancient Egyptian funerary texts and reflected in the modern-day belief that existing beneath the Sphinx is the entrance to a hidden chamber known as the Hall of Records. According to the readings of American psychic Edgar Cayce (1877-1945), this subterranean structure contains the life records of those belonging to a lost civilization that thrived at Giza at the end of the last Ice Age, c. 11,000-10,000 BC.


there's one additional pic of him in what may well be a cave. Shame he didn't post more pics or video. I suppose we are to await publication of his book before we can find out anything more. I suppose it's not that easy to do this kind of thing in Egypt, but still I would think he could have gotten some more proof...

It sure sounds plausible though that there would be some caves in an area of limestone once subject to regular flooding.

Here's the link to a book covering the Henry Salt material:
http://www.amazon.com/Sphinx-Revealed-P ... 086159164X
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Re: Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

Postby slimmouse » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:53 pm

nathan28 wrote:
slimmouse wrote:
Jeff wrote:Disclaimer: I don't trust Collins, but I don't trust Hawass either.

We know everything about the plateau," he (Hawass ) stated.



Well coming from a man who believes the Sphinx is only approx 5000 years old, I would suggest that he either dont know much for such an expert, or hes part of the "Church of Progress" as John Anthony West would put it.


I've said it before--I don't trust the alternative Egyptologists in the slightest, though I do disbelieve much of the orthodoxy--I just don't like the origins and connections, or conclusions, of the alternativists.



Thats an extremely broad, ugly and dare I say ignorant tarring- with- the- same -brush riposte Nathan

WRT to West, to my mind, thats rather like saying that other altenativists in other fields such as, say Peter Dale Scott arent worthy cos of his conclusions.

I believe if you read the Temple of Man By Shwaller de lubicz, you might think again about John Anthony West, and indeed many of the "alternative" crowd.
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:54 pm

READING 5748-6
This Reading given by Edgar Cayce July 1st 1932.

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Re: Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

Postby nathan28 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:15 pm

slimmouse wrote:WRT to West, to my mind, thats rather like saying that other altenativists in other fields such as, say Peter Dale Scott arent worthy cos of his conclusions.


This conflation makes little sense.

I believe if you read the Temple of Man By Shwaller de lubicz, you might think again about John Anthony West, and indeed many of the "alternative" crowd.


My suspicions, as I've said before, revolve around the racist history these characters push. The "alternative" egyptology has its own orthodoxy at this point. E.g., "10,500 BC".
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Re: Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

Postby slimmouse » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:31 pm

nathan28 wrote:
slimmouse wrote:WRT to West, to my mind, thats rather like saying that other altenativists in other fields such as, say Peter Dale Scott arent worthy cos of his conclusions.


This conflation makes little sense.


Well it makes all the sense in the world to me on so many levels. To me its yet another example of consensus reality being shaped by the usual crowd, and actually being fulla the usual shit. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.


nathan28 wrote:My suspicions, as I've said before, revolve around the racist history these characters push. The "alternative" egyptology has its own orthodoxy at this point. E.g., "10,500 BC".


Well perhaps you might care to re-evaluate your suspicions WRT John Anthony West;

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/me ... awest2.htm

And FWIW I agree with West that at least 32000 years ago is probably closer.
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Re: Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

Postby barracuda » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:17 am

slimmouse wrote:Well perhaps you might care to re-evaluate your suspicions WRT John Anthony West;

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/me ... awest2.htm

And FWIW I agree with West that at least 32000 years ago is probably closer.

slim, the .pdf you've linked to is for paid subscribers only.

Can you outline or reference some of the reasons you think the Sphinx predates virtually every other existing work of art on the planet?
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:59 am

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Re: Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

Postby slimmouse » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:46 am

barracuda wrote:slim, the .pdf you've linked to is for paid subscribers only.



Are you sure ?When I hit the link, it automatically goes to a video approximately 30 mins long, within which West presents his case.

barracuda wrote:Can you outline or reference some of the reasons you think the Sphinx predates virtually every other existing work of art on the planet?


Given that the above video is 30 mins long, its hard to put into a few words, much of which isnt even mentioned in this video, but, heres my reasons - mingled with Wests.

The major factor is Water Erosion which most geologists would take as a given for dating at the earliest at around 12000 BC.

The major problem with that is that despite it fitting the astrological cylcle of Leo, this particular cycle would have occurred shortly after the great deluge - a time of major global Chaos and cataclysm, which would have virtually reduced any kind of advanced civilisation to crap - certainly not in a sphinx building state of existence.

Given that the above is true, the next previous Leo cycle is approximately 20k years prior to that which would coincide with just about every ancient Egyptian historical timeline, not to mention Vedic timeline which speak of their civilisations being ruled by "Gods" with advanced technology etc.

As West rightly surmises, "As if the modern historians ( Church of progress fabricators) know more about Ancient Egyptian (and Indian )history than the Ancient Egyptians (and Vedics) did "

I dont actually believe that the sphinx has anything to do with astrological cycles, but for the purposes of the dating argument that is neither here nor there.

There is of course other "conspicuous-by-its-absence" evidence which very strongly supports the case It can , for instance be reasonably assumed that the temple of the Osirion ( exactly replicated in mini scale at Roslyn Chapel BTW) which sits behind the sphinx is at least 100,000 years old, sitting as it does under approximately 100,000 layers of silt (based on estimates to half way down its walls) How many people have ever even heard of that ?

The trouble with all of this of course for the Church of progress, is that if people were made aware of all of this, then Darwinism, one of the bedrocks of the CoP collapses into the absurd fabrication that it (imho) clearly also is.

This would also help to explain why all the later pyramids were of a crap construction and many actually fell down. Its as if the later dynasties had somehow lost their building capabilities .

Theres so much more, but it would take forever to articulate here - and Im not very articulate. Try getting to the Conscious media network site and finding the interview (if the link wont work for you)

* edited to amend basis of dating of Osirion.
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:49 pm

Is that Andrew Collins the psychic quester?
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