Catch 'em Young: AIPAC Subversion of the USG

[AlicetheKurious]

People often wonder how such a tiny, dependent, nasty rogue state can have so much power over a country like the United States. Maybe they don't know about Mossad's well-documented "aggressive" espionage activities, which provide it with the resources to use blackmail and bribery to control pivotal members of the American elite.

AIPAC is far more than a "lobbying group" -- in tandem with other Mossad fronts, it's also a highly subversive agency for the recruitment of 'moles' and other 'assets' whom, through campaign financing and media manipulation, they insert deep into America's inner circles of power, from where they ensure that, behind the illusion of democracy, the illusion of diversity and the illusion of freedom, the United States is ruled by individuals pre-screened by the agents of a foreign state to ensure that the United States continues to do only what the zionists allow it to do.

For this process to be as effective as it is, it takes time and long-term planning. A conspiracy, in fact, something at which the zionists excel, with one innovation that makes this sort of conspiracy unique: much of it is carried out in plain sight. The zionists have a long record of stealing everything from culture to land to history to money to technology and claiming that it was their own all along, but this capacity to engage in egregious and extremely damaging conspiracies in the broad light of day while at the same time demanding the moral high ground against anyone who dares to point out the obvious, that's new. That's chutzpah. Or, as Norman G. Finkelstein would say, 'beyond chutzpah'.

Every future senator will pass through an American campus. Every future member of the House of Representatives will pass through an American campus. AIPAC's job is to identify, engage and educate those individuals that are already self-defining and self-actualizing as campus political leaders. ...We simply have to find a way of identifying those most likely to emerge as America's future policy makers, specifically foreign policy makers; and we've come to understand that those people do not emerge willy-nilly or randomly, they emerge from the student government, they emerge from the college democrats, they emerge from the college Republicans, they emerge from the debating societies, the international relations clubs, the leadership of the fraternities and sororities. ...How are we going to beat back the anti-Israel divestment resolution at Berkeley? We're going to make sure that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote. This is how AIPAC operates in our nation's capital. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation's campuses.
- Jonathan Kessler, long-time AIPAC operative and currently AIPAC's Leadership Development Director

[17breezes]

People often wonder how such a tiny, dependent, nasty rogue state can have so much power over a country like the United States. Maybe they don't know about Mossad's well-documented "aggressive" espionage activities, which provide it with the resources to use blackmail and bribery to control pivotal members of the American elite.

AIPAC is far more than a "lobbying group" -- in tandem with other Mossad fronts, it's also a highly subversive agency for the recruitment of 'moles' and other 'assets' whom, through campaign financing and media manipulation, they insert deep into America's inner circles of power, from where they ensure that, behind the illusion of democracy, the illusion of diversity and the illusion of freedom, the United States is ruled by individuals pre-screened by the agents of a foreign state to ensure that the United States continues to do only what the zionists allow it to do.

For this process to be as effective as it is, it takes time and long-term planning. A conspiracy, in fact, something at which the zionists excel, with one innovation that makes this sort of conspiracy unique: much of it is carried out in plain sight. The zionists have a long record of stealing everything from culture to land to history to money to technology and claiming that it was their own all along, but this capacity to engage in egregious and extremely damaging conspiracies in the broad light of day while at the same time demanding the moral high ground against anyone who dares to point out the obvious, that's new. That's chutzpah. Or, as Norman G. Finkelstein would say, 'beyond chutzpah'.

Every future senator will pass through an American campus. Every future member of the House of Representatives will pass through an American campus. AIPAC's job is to identify, engage and educate those individuals that are already self-defining and self-actualizing as campus political leaders. ...We simply have to find a way of identifying those most likely to emerge as America's future policy makers, specifically foreign policy makers; and we've come to understand that those people do not emerge willy-nilly or randomly, they emerge from the student government, they emerge from the college democrats, they emerge from the college Republicans, they emerge from the debating societies, the international relations clubs, the leadership of the fraternities and sororities. ...How are we going to beat back the anti-Israel divestment resolution at Berkeley? We're going to make sure that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote. This is how AIPAC operates in our nation's capital. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation's campuses.
- Jonathan Kessler, long-time AIPAC operative and currently AIPAC's Leadership Development Director

The zionists have a long record of stealing everything from culture to land to history to money to technology

Good thing you have that word Zionist to replace the one people used before to make such claims. Kinda insulates you doesn't it?

[MacCruiskeen]

Good thing you have that word Zionist to replace the one people used before to make such claims. Kinda insulates you doesn't it?

Good thing you have that handy, all-purpose, would-be intimidating insinuation, "anti-Semite" to obviate any need for you to engage honestly with anything that's actually being argued and documented. Kinda insulates you, doesn't it?

Yeah, kinda. But not really. Your insulation is shoddy, very shoddy indeed. And in any case, you're no live wire.

[17breezes]

Good thing you have that word Zionist to replace the one people used before to make such claims. Kinda insulates you doesn't it?

Good thing you have that handy, all-purpose, would-be intimidating insinuation, "anti-Semite" to replace any obligation to engage honestly with anything that's actually being argued (and documented). Kinda insulates you doesn't it?

Yeah, kinda. But not really.

You wanna believe the kinds of tropes which could have come right out of the Protocols be my guest. Aipac is a powerful lobbying group doing what all lobby groups do but to Alice and her homies, it's the same old octopus doing the same old world domination thing. Poor her, poor you. Guess the Khazars who did 9/11 really are out to get you.

[MacCruiskeen]

You wanna believe the kinds of tropes which could have come right out of the Protocols be my guest. Aipac is a powerful lobbying group doing what all lobby groups do but to Alice and her homies, it's the same old octopus doing the same old world domination thing. Poor her, poor you. Guess the Khazars who did 9/11 really are out to get you.

You really think you're doing yourself any favours with this ridiculous, timewasting, self-pitying, semi-literate, thought-free nonsense? Dream on. People are not blind. They can see that you have never, ever posted anything remotely serious or even honest on this board. Not once, Mr. Breezes. Not once.

Worse: you have yet to demonstrate any interest in anything beyond your own very easily-hurt feelings. That's all you care about: you. And that's why nobody, but nobody, can take you seriously. All you ever have to offer is this incessant "Everybody hates me" shtick. It's not exactly winning, in any sense of the word.

So bye-bye. Baby.

[JackRiddler]

Good thing you have that word Zionist to replace the one people used before to make such claims. Kinda insulates you doesn't it?

Good thing you have that handy, all-purpose, would-be intimidating insinuation, "anti-Semite" to obviate any need for you to engage honestly with anything that's actually being argued and documented. Kinda insulates you, doesn't it?

Yeah, kinda. But not really. Your insulation is shoddy, very shoddy indeed. And in any case, you're no live wire.

Putting the strength of 17breezes's current aside, MacC:

Alice's work on this board employs the classic master narrative of Jewish perfidy as the main cause of all the world's ills. It's not enough to decry Israel or its lobby. Her writings aim to cause revulsion at the supposed "Zionist" stranglehold on all American institutions, a control which they alone wield, exclusively out of "Zionist" motivation, to cause the country's problems. Her gross caricatures may grow out of a commitment against Israel so strong that any statement is allowable, if it makes the "Zionists" look like the primary evil in the world.

In Alice's world, if only the responsible "American" elites like Bush the Elder were in charge, and not besieged by "Zionists," they would have followed "American interests" (whatever those are supposed to be) and most everything would have been fine. America and its empire are off the hook. The foreign "Zionists" are solely responsible for the invasion of Iraq, and, as she's written here many times, were also behind the JFK assassination and the wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan. If something bad happens, she looks for the nearest Jew and she writes the story so that the Jew is the mastermind and everyone else in charge is his catspaw. (Did you miss the thread where she went crazy when it turned out this Galbraith character, not a Jew or an active "Zionist" but a key advocate of the Iraq invasion, is now cashing in on oil profits from a concession he partly owns in Kurdistan? No, no! You're not allowed to think there was any cause other than Israel.)

I don't know how you can't recognize the pedigree of this statement in "Eternal Jew" propaganda: "The zionists have a long record of stealing everything from culture to land to history to money to technology and claiming that it was their own all along, but this capacity to engage in egregious and extremely damaging conspiracies in the broad light of day..." No other group does these things! No one is as evil and persistent; it's always and only the "Zionists" we are called upon to hate.

Now if it's in the broad light of day, it's lobbying. Dirty and bad lobbying, for sure. But AIPAC's assault on the campus - and it is an assault, and it is a problem - is no different from the subversion by similar means engaged in by the flood of right-wing and libertarian money in recent decades.

Ironically writings like Alice's help the AIPAC propaganda by creating the impression Jews per se are under attack from fanatic anti-Semites, and therefore have a right to adopt any means in self defense. If Americans were to get unfiltered, sober news from Palestine (and about AIPAC's genuinely reprehensible activities in the US), that might move them to finally curb the vicious satrapy set up in Tel Aviv with their money on behalf of the US empire's self-perceived strategic interests. If they read Alice's writings, which barely differ from xymphora's or much of what can be found on Sortm55fonrt, they'll instead see a confirmation that Jews are under attack as Jews, and at best conclude (as I've heard often enough) that "those people are just going to always hate each other and I don't care." Unless they're Jewish, in which case they might feel they need to help AIPAC! Rhetoric like Alice's is an excuse not to care that Jews are not under attack and that Israel is the imperial power and the occupier dealing out 99 percent of the violence in Palestine, since "those people" just want the Jews dead.

This is a classic case of the hardliners on one side symbiotically reinforcing the hardliners on the other. Your enemy images live from the reflection of the enemy's image of you.

[Nordic]

Funny how people tend to attack Alice rather than the content of what she posts.

Like the quote:

Quote:
Every future senator will pass through an American campus. Every future member of the House of Representatives will pass through an American campus. AIPAC's job is to identify, engage and educate those individuals that are already self-defining and self-actualizing as campus political leaders. ...We simply have to find a way of identifying those most likely to emerge as America's future policy makers, specifically foreign policy makers; and we've come to understand that those people do not emerge willy-nilly or randomly, they emerge from the student government, they emerge from the college democrats, they emerge from the college Republicans, they emerge from the debating societies, the international relations clubs, the leadership of the fraternities and sororities. ...How are we going to beat back the anti-Israel divestment resolution at Berkeley? We're going to make sure that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote. This is how AIPAC operates in our nation's capital. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation's campuses.
- Jonathan Kessler, long-time AIPAC operative and currently AIPAC's Leadership Development Director

Why don't we discuss that?

[nathan28]

Funny how people tend to attack Alice rather than the content of what she posts.

Because of what JackR said. Sadly, messengers matter, and for all the information Alice posts she does tend to fall into narratives about Wandering Jews that violate all manner of litmus test.

[Nordic]

Funny how people tend to attack Alice rather than the content of what she posts.

Because of what JackR said. Sadly, messengers matter, and for all the information Alice posts she does tend to fall into narratives about Wandering Jews that violate all manner of litmus test.

So? Everything I post tends to fall into narratives about government corruption, greed, media manipulation and right-wing subversion of our government.

We all have a point of view.

And we are inundated, constantly, in fact we live in a culture permeated by messages that are directly related to, and emanate from, the powers that Alice is consistently trying to expose.

For crying out loud we live behind a goddamn Iron Curtain of information. The info which Alice shows to us here is simply not available to the average American. If you don't agree with it 100000%, well, so what? I don't agree with anybody THAT much. I think for myself, but I value, in fact cherish, information so that I'm able to actually make my own decisions.

I guess that means I'm an anti-semite.

[American Dream]

Nordic wrote:

If you don't agree with it 100000%, well, so what?

If you don't agree with the ingredients in a certain beverage, it sometimes is a good idea to avoid consuming that beverage entirely. Or at least have a very, very good filter...

[Nordic]

Those who throw out the baby with the bathwater, and urge everyone else to do the same, are the ones with the agenda.

[MacCruiskeen]

Some dood at that Whizkids' Conference said:

"Dershowitz was amazing. He blew me off. He blew my mind off, and I think he blew everyone's mind off."

That's certainly plausible, because no mind is detectable in the speaker. But maybe his and everyone else's mind got blown off long before they went there. What's he majoring in? TV? Sleep? Innocuousness?

Seriously: Do students, and student presidents [!], often sound as brain-dead as the selected high-flyers attending that jamboree? [Was it all-expenses-paid? I think we should be told.] You know, if you compare them to the average American student interviewed in the Sixties, their grinning conformity and teacher's-pet squeaky-cleanness and sheer inarticulacy is really a wonder to behold.

They're the Leaders of the future, all right: vacant and available. The "educational" "reforms" of the last 35 years have not been in vain.





(Jack, I will get back to you later. Pushed for time right now. Just one question: There is a slight difference between that lavish extravaganza and anything The Palestinian Lobby is able to organise among American students - yes?)

[17breezes]

I'm glad to see at least a few posters are immune to the kind of crap Alice propagates and I do appreciate Jack's remark

I don't know how you can't recognize the pedigree of this statement in "Eternal Jew" propaganda: "The zionists have a long record of stealing everything from culture to land to history to money to technology and claiming that it was their own all along, but this capacity to engage in egregious and extremely damaging conspiracies in the broad light of day.

There are lots; indeed, a multitude of ways to criticize Zionism, Israel, whatever without having to stoop to the levels Alice seems to prefer. More power to those legitimate critics.

[MacCruiskeen]

There are lots; indeed, a multitude of ways to criticize Zionism, Israel, whatever without having to stoop to the levels Alice seems to prefer. More power to those legitimate critics.

Why not stretch your mind and attempt some of that legitimate criticism yourself, Mr. Breezes? Please. I'm sure many people would be very interested to see it, always presuming you're not bluffing.

If that's too much for you, and of course it will be (you never, ever, go beyond four lines of your own - maybe you suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), then post, say, three examples of the kind of "criticism of Israel" you regard as "legitimate". Give us links to those "legitimate critics" to whom you would grant "more power".

Just three will do, if you can't manage words of your own. Regard it as a sporting challenge. It will be nice to see the results of your best and most honest efforts here, on the record.

[17breezes]

There are lots; indeed, a multitude of ways to criticize Zionism, Israel, whatever without having to stoop to the levels Alice seems to prefer. More power to those legitimate critics.

Why not stretch your mind and attempt some of that legitimate criticism yourself, Mr. Breezes? Please. I'm sure many people would be very interested to see it, always presuming you're not bluffing.

If that's too much for you, and of course it will be (you never, ever, go beyond four lines of your own - maybe you suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), then post, say, three examples of the kind of "criticism of Israel" you regard as "legitimate". Give us links to those "legitimate critics" to whom you would grant "more power".

Just three will do, if you can't manage words of your own. Regard it as a sporting challenge. It will be nice to see the results of your best and most honest efforts here, on the record.

Maybe you have so many other performing seals in your life that you imagine everybody is one. I post what I want to post, think what I want to think when I want to think it. Your desires mean nothing to me. I also never comply with antagonists. Try some niceness next time and I'll consider it.