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Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby Gouda » Thu May 20, 2010 5:05 am

Rand Paul On 'Maddow' Defends Criticism Of Civil Rights Act, Says He Would Have Worked To Change Bill (VIDEO)

Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul believes that the federal government blurred the lines between public and private property when it passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and made it illegal for private businesses to discriminate on the basis of race.

Paul explained his views on "The Rachel Maddow Show" Wednesday, just one day after wholloping his opponent in Kentucky's Republican primary.

Maddow focused on the Tea Party-backed candidate's civil rights stance after he publicly criticized parts of the Civil Rights Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Paul told Maddow that he agrees with most parts of the Civil Rights Act, except for one (Title II), that made it a crime for private businesses to discriminate against customers on the basis of race. Paul explained that had he been in office during debate of bill, he would have tried to change the legislation. He said that it stifled first amendment rights:
Maddow: Do you think that a private business has a right to say that 'We don't serve black people?'

Paul: I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I would never belong to any club that excluded anybody for race. We still do have private clubs in America that can discriminate based on race. But do discriminate.

But I think what's important in this debate is not getting into any specific "gotcha" on this, but asking the question 'What about freedom of speech?' Should we limit speech from people we find abhorrent. Should we limit racists from speaking. I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things that freedom requires is that we allow people to be boorish and uncivilized, but that doesn't mean we approve of it...

Paul argued that Maddow's questions weren't practical, but were instead abstract. She asked Paul to tell that to protesters who were beaten in their struggle for equal rights:

Maddow:... Howabout desegregating lunch counters?

Paul: Well what it gets into then is if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not privately owned, then do you say that you should have the right to bring your gun into a restaurant even though the owner of the restaurant says 'well no, we don't want to have guns in here' the bar says 'we don't want to have guns in here because people might drink and start fighting and shoot each-other.' Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant? Or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates but not a very practical discussion...

Maddow: Well, it was pretty practical to the people who had the life nearly beaten out of them trying to desegregate Walgreen's lunch counters despite these esoteric debates about what it means about ownership. This is not a hypothetical Dr. Paul.

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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby elfismiles » Thu May 20, 2010 9:51 am

I may be a fan of his father but ... Rand is no Ron.

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Rand is NOT antiwar (much) and has been chastised for appearing on the AntiWar-Radio show:

Around the 1:12 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyaGlfIsupA

As for the OP ... I don't like discrimination but I also don't like the govt forcing things on us.

For me there is a terrible jolt when one goes from exclusion based on gender (as with Boy Scouts / Girl Scouts etc. or Men's Club's / Women's Club's) to the exclusion of person's based on biological ethnicity.
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby Jeff » Thu May 20, 2010 12:51 pm

Slavery was a property rights issue.
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby Nordic » Thu May 20, 2010 3:57 pm

elfismiles wrote:I don't like discrimination but I also don't like the govt forcing things on us.



Yeah it's just AWFUL when the big evil government forces things like regulations upon businesses.

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And here's what happens when you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want: (warning, graphic image of dead child):

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Postby Peregrine » Thu May 20, 2010 4:18 pm

Nordic, a warning on that picture would have been appreciated.
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby barracuda » Thu May 20, 2010 4:37 pm

Agreed. Try to limit dead baby imagery to a link whenever possible.
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby Jeff » Thu May 20, 2010 4:54 pm

Nordic, please edit your post to remove the image and provide a link to it instead.
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby JackRiddler » Thu May 20, 2010 5:35 pm

elfismiles wrote:As for the OP ... I don't like discrimination but I also don't like the govt forcing things on us.



Did the government force civil rights laws on "us"? Is that how the history went?
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu May 20, 2010 7:00 pm

It's worth noting that "Cracker Barrel" managed to survive and thrive in the aftermath of 1964's legislation, and they didn't even change their name! Changing their door policy actually wound up making them more successful than ever. If Cracker Barrel can make that kind of transition and come out better for it, well...there's a lesson for us all.
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby 82_28 » Thu May 20, 2010 7:18 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:It's worth noting that "Cracker Barrel" managed to survive and thrive in the aftermath of 1964's legislation, and they didn't even change their name! Changing their door policy actually wound up making them more successful than ever. If Cracker Barrel can make that kind of transition and come out better for it, well...there's a lesson for us all.


Yeah, and Village Inn was left to rot.

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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby 82_28 » Thu May 20, 2010 7:25 pm

'Cracker' Barrel - Why has no one complained?

In keeping with the current tone of being 'Politically Correct', I don't understand why Caucasians have not complained about the name of this restaurant! Surely you know that the term 'Cracker' is a derogatory term, used mostly by those of African decent, to describe members of the Caucasian race.

In the 1950's, a restaurant chain began began in S. California by 2 men, Sam Battistone and Newell Bohnett, and took portions of each of their names for the restaurant - Sambo's. Capitalizing on the name, they decorated the restaurant with scenes from a book called 'Little Black Sambo'.

For those of you not old enough, 'Little Black Sambo' was a children's book about boy named Sambo that prevails over a group of hungry tigers. As the story line goes, the little boy has to give his colorful new clothes, shoes, and umbrella to four tigers so they will not eat him. The boy recovers the clothes when the jealous, conceited tigers chase each other around a tree until they are reduced to a pool of delicious melted butter.

Seems innocuous enough, but yet, controversy over the chain's name drew protests and lawsuits in communities that viewed the term Sambo as derogatory towards African-Americans, and demanded that the restaurant change their name to something less racial. It was the 'beginning of the end' for a once great restaurant.

And now, 'Cracker Barrel'.

Where are these folks that so vociferously protested against a real or imagined slam against a race when they rose up against 'Sambo's?

Where is the 'racial equality' and even application of being 'Politically Correct'?

Rise up, Whitey! Demand this restaurant change it's name so as not to offend yet another race of individuals!

(The racial implications of bars referred to as 'Honky-Tonks' will be covered in next weeks column.)


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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu May 20, 2010 7:28 pm

Rand Paul's spokesperson is a Satanic Metal God in KKK gear (5 UPDATES)
I know that sounds like quite a statement, but it's, uh, the straight dope.
Chris Hightower is the campaign spokesperson for Rand Paul. The same campaign spokesperson who made an ass of himself a few weeks ago by commenting that a video comparing Trey Grayson to Adolf Hitler was "too funny", making national press.

Needless to say, it was an embarrassment for the campaign. But "embarrassing" can be a relative term. It wasn't, for example, anything like this:

Meet Commander.
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Commander is a Metal band from Bowling Green that hung up their guitars a couple years ago. They thrashed out to songs about the Devil, liked pictures of skeletons with blood dripping from their fangs, and had very serious faces. Here are the boys, with said faces.
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That serious dude on the left is the singer, Chris Hightower. Yep, the same Chris Hightower.

Here is Chris at work on stage, screaming about the Dark Lord's mighty powers.



As for the lyrics, er, poetry of Chris Hightower, there's not enough space here to truly give it the analysis it deserves. Here's just a little snippet of it below, next to a scary skeleton drooling blood.

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But enough about the band. They are adorable, and I wouldn't dare hold it against anyone that they used to screach out odes to Satan, despite the fact that I don't believe in the Dark Lord. Or Metal.

But there are some things I would hold against people.

Let's take a gander at Chris's MySpace page, which for reasons unknown is still public.

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Purusing his friends, you of course see that Ron Paul is #1, because Ron Paul deserves to be #1 at everything. No big deal.
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But check out what his good buddy "D" has to say on Chris's wall, which has been up there for almost an entire year TWO YEARS without being taken down:

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**UPDATE #1***: After going back to his MySpace page just now, the image under this now is showing. And... WOW. This sick shit was on his page for almost TWO ENTIRE YEARS, and he did not take it down.

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Well. That's... interesting. Most people I know wouldn't have friends that say stupid racist shit like that, let alone leave comments like that up on their page for an entire year. Perhaps, as Chris is known to say, he thinks this comment was "too funny :)"?

But maybe this was just a one time mistake, and we all should forgive him.

Oh wait, here's one of his MySpace blogs. Perhaps not.
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Yep. "Mr. 'N' Day" used to stroll around the mall in KKK gear? And those god damn "Afro-Americans" and their "KKK radar" got their panties in a wad over it? How typical!

So, does this finally reveal to us why all those white supremacists across the country are so gung ho for Rand Paul 2010? Perhaps? Maybe somebody should ask the campaign. I figure the best person to contact is their spokesperson. Oh, wait! Coinkeedinks!

As for the rest of Chris's MySpace poetry/prose/deep thoughts, nothing really interests/offends me. Despite the weird Satan obsession, we do agree on a couple of things.

Now, as for the deeply social conservative KY Republican voters who are choosing their Senate nominee in May? Well, there are a few things they may take issue with.

For example, his Christian outreach:
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Or, his Chomsky view of American foreign policy:

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Or... Jeebus, I have no idea what this shit is. But I doubt they'll like it!

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Anyway, let me just sum up my thoughts on this whole savage affair. First of all, if Rand Paul has any libertarian integrity at all, he will back up his campaign spokesman about all the Satan/Christian/ScarySkeleton/Chomsky stuff. Even though Johnson and Grayson will try to use this against him, he should stand firm behind his Bowling Green buddy and say he's free to have his own religious beliefs. Now, when it comes to the "N Day" and "KKK hoodie" stuff... well, thats a different story. Mr. Hightower has some questions to answer about that, and if they aren't sufficient, well, there's only one way to go down that road, imo.

Unless the Paul campaign is trying to further strengthen their already strong white supremacist support. In that case, maybe Chris will get a raise.

As for my final thoughts, I'll once again repeat what I've been saying for many months now:

Stock up on popcorn Kentucky, because we have the most entertaining Senate race in the country.

And I leave you with the only thing I can...




(h/t to Jake for tipping me off to the goodies)


***UPDATE #2***

Chris was logged in to his account 30 minutes ago, as you can see here:


Remarkably, Chris did NOT make his profile private, or delete the pic on his wall of THE LYNCHING.

What he did do is delete his blog post on wearing the KKK hoodie. As you can see above, this was posted on October 19th, 2006. It is now missing:

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I'm speechless. Wow.

***UPDATE #3***

It just keeps coming. Jake just found a YouTube video of Chris Hightower denouncing Southern Baptists and DEFENDING POLYGAMY. This is Kentucky, mind you. A Kentucky REPUBLICAN primary.

It's 12:18, Rand Paul. Are you still employing Chris Hightower?

***UPDATE #4***

Surprise, surprise. Hightower made the video private.

Oh, but Jake kept a copy.

Enjoy :)



***UPDATE #5***

Well, at long last, he's finally deleted his entire MySpace profile. I guess somebody's not proud of his racist gargabe anymore, eh?

It's 1:01, Rand Paul. Are you still employing Chris Hightower?

Oh, and Chris? I made a screenshot of every page, so it's not like this actually solves any of this for you. You know that, right? Or are bigoted minds like yours not able to grasp difficult concepts like this?

***UPDATE #6***

And at 6:30 PM, he "resigns"
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby JackRiddler » Thu May 20, 2010 7:35 pm

Now check this out!

RAND PAUL: I have a message, a message from the Tea Party, a message that is loud and clear and does not mince words: we have come to take our government back. We have come to take our government back from the special interests who think that the federal government is their own personal ATM, from the politicians who bring us oversized fake checks emblazoned with their signature as if it was their money to give. Washington is horribly broken. I think we stand on a precipice. We are encountering a day of reckoning, and this movement, this Tea Party movement, is a message to Washington that we’re unhappy and that we want things done differently.

We now have a president, though, who apologizes for America’s greatness. We have a president who went to Copenhagen and appeared with Robert Mugabe, Hugo Chávez and others, Evo Morales, to apologize for the Industrial Revolution. They say—these dictators, these petty dictators say—that to stop climate change, it’s about ending capitalism. They are explicit. And the President, by attending Copenhagen, gives credibility and credence to these folks, and he should not go.


These people are on a warpath. Note he doesn't speak merely to the issue. He doesn't say global warming is not anthropogenic and emissions limits are therefore a costly mistake. He takes the opportunity to make a much larger war out of it - and look at the targets he chooses. (Anyone who thinks this fellow would limit US interventions if he had a chance is naive.)

Today there was also the case of the Tea Party Express leader, Mark Williams. This is the outfit that did the national Sarah Palin tour and that draws the biggest numbers among Tea Party astroturf event managers.*

So there is a mosque and Muslim center planned for a currently empty building near the WTC site - not "at" the site as some reports in the media headline it so as to add to the hysteria. The city has approved the plans, the money is there, and no one in New York cares much one way or another. It was no issue to anyone until yesterday. Then this bozo Williams, unprompted, speaks out about it as follows: the mosque is an outrage, liberal tolerance run amok and allowing a "shrine to the terrorists and their monkey god" to be built at the holy Ground Zero!

Today he stands his ground, issuing a sarcastic pretend apology - to Hindus, for insulting their monkey god, Hanuman.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/201 ... indus.html

Now again, the mosque was no issue in New York. So where does this guy have any business to speak on the matter? For that matter, where does he see any gain in doing so? He's going out of his way to create issues where none existed and to stir shit up that's only going to reinforce the image of his "movement" as ignorant, racist yahoos.

Logically we can only conclude that this is what he's about.

* Those of you who still maintain sympathies for some image of the Tea Party as anything other than the real-life Republican base being astroturfed by FOXNEWS to rally on behalf of total corporatism and more wars need to get over it already.
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby 82_28 » Thu May 20, 2010 7:38 pm

Wow. Great find SLAD! It would have totally drifted down the memory hole. Thanks for documenting here.

One must wonder how this great time of American racism is going to go down. We got one thumb tack hovering over Arizona and now another over Kentucky. It's almost as if it is all planned. Almost.. Who shall be the next to go down?
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Re: Rand Paul Has a Little Problem w/ the Civil Rights Act

Postby elfismiles » Thu May 20, 2010 8:11 pm

Nordic wrote:
elfismiles wrote:I don't like discrimination but I also don't like the govt forcing things on us.


Yeah it's just AWFUL when the big evil government forces things like regulations upon businesses.

And here's what happens when you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want: (warning, graphic image of dead child):

Libertarianism is Magical Thinking, just like any other goddamn RELIGION.

Libertarianism can lick my balls.


Yeah, I meant "I love big corporations and want them to rape me, everyone and the world... again."

Uh, oh, some one dropped the L-bomb.


JackRiddler wrote:
elfismiles wrote:As for the OP ... I don't like discrimination but I also don't like the govt forcing things on us.


Did the government force civil rights laws on "us"? Is that how the history went?


Yes, I meant civil rights and not militarized police, drug wars, war on terror, etc. etc.

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