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N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby Ben D » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:57 am

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2010/11/23/44/0301000000AEN20101123008800315F.HTML

N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island; one soldier killed

SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- North Korea on Tuesday fired a barrage of artillery rounds toward South Korean waters and an island near the tense west sea border, killing one South Korean marine and leaving at least 13 others wounded.

The North's artillery shells started falling in the South's waters off the island of Yeonpyeong around 2:34 p.m., some of them landing directly on the island, said Col. Lee Bung-woo, spokesman for the South's Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The South's military fired back some 80 rounds, he said.
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South Korea's Yeonpueong Island is engulfed in thick smoke as North
Korea reportedly fired hundreds of rounds of artillery from its stronghold
on the west coast toward the South Korean waters and the Island around 2:34 p.m. on Nov. 23, injuring several soldiers and citizens.

The entire military was immediately put on its highest peacetime alert, he said, noting that the Air Force has deployed fighter jets to the island.

TV footage showed plumes of smoke rising from the island. Island residents said people are being told to evacuate. A spokesman for Incheon City, the administrative district of Yeonpyeong Island, said four civilians were reportedly injured from the North's firing. Fire is spreading on a mountain on the island, some homes are still burning, and the island is in virtual blackout from the power outage, he said.

JCS officials said the South's military sent a telephone message to North Korea urging the North to stop the shelling.

JCS Chairman Han Min-koo and Gen. Walter Sharp, commander of some 28,500 U.S. troops in the South, held telephone talks and agreed to consider declaring a "joint crisis management," the JCS spokesman said.

President Lee Myung-bak told his aides to take measures to prevent the North's artillery fire from escalating into a conflict.

"(We) should carefully manage the situation to prevent the escalation of the clash," Lee was quoted as saying by his spokesman before presiding over an emergency meeting of security-related ministers at an underground bunker of the presidential office.

The presidential office Cheong Wa Dae said it was looking into the possibility that the North's firing was in protest to an ongoing South Korean military drill on the western coast. The "Hoguk Exercise," one of South Korea's three major annual defense exercises, began Monday with some 70,000 troops participating.

The North sent a message to Seoul denouncing the exercise earlier in the day, Cheong Wa Dae said.

The JCS dismissed the connection, saying the North's artillery fell well south of Tuesday's drill location.

The western sea border was the scene of bloody gun battles between the navies of the two Koreas in 1999, 2002 and most recently in November of last year.
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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby anothershamus » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:00 pm

Yep, this could be the start of something big!

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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:42 pm

10.43am: Tania Branigan has more on the events that preceded shells being fired – when South Korea was undertaking military drills close to Yeonpyeong.


The North Korean artillery attack followed a live-fire exercise by the South as part of its annual Hoguk military drills.

The Korea Herald reported that the North faxed a message to the South this morning saying it would not "just sit back" while the South carried out the exercise, citing military officials.

The Korea Times reported last week that the US had pulled out of the joint drill citing scheduling conflicts, but had said it would seek to rearrange the exercise.

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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:17 pm

South Korean leader threatens 'enormous retaliation"

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- Hours after North Korea's deadly artillery attacks Tuesday, South Korea's president said "enormous retaliation" is needed to stop Pyongyang's incitement, but international diplomats urgently appealed for restraint.
"The provocation this time can be regarded as an invasion of South Korean territory," President Lee Myung-bak said at the headquarters of the Joint Chiefs of Staff here, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency.
The incident -- in which two South Korean marines died -- is "the first direct artillery attack on South Korean territory since the Korean War ended in an armistice, not a formal peace treaty" in the 1950s, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.
Scott Snyder, director of the Center for U.S.-Korea Policy, the Asia Foundation, called the act a "very serious provocation" and said it was "unprecedented in recent years [at least since the 1970s if not longer] in terms of artillery beyond the DMZ into civilian areas."
The United States has about 28,500 troops deployed in South Korea who are warily watching the situation. A U.S. defense official said there are "more than 50 U.S. Navy vessels in the area, including a carrier strike group led by the USS George Washington. However, there are no plans to send more ships or forces in response to the strike.
Along with the slain marines, 15 South Korean soldiers and three civilians were wounded when the North fired about 100 rounds of artillery at Yeonpyeong Island in the Yellow Sea, South Korea authorities said. The attack also set houses and forests on fire on the island.
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South Korea's military responded with more than 80 rounds of artillery and deployed fighter jets to counter the fire, defense officials said.
Firing between the two sides lasted for about an hour in the Yellow Sea, a longstanding flash point between the two Koreas. In March, a South Korean warship, the Cheonan, was sunk in the area with the loss of 46 lives in a suspected North Korean torpedo attack.
Lee called "indiscriminate attacks on civilians are a grave matter." He said that since "North Korea maintains an offensive posture," South Korea's military forces -- the army, air force and navy -- "should unite and retaliate against [the North's] provocation with multiple-fold firepower."
"Reckless attacks on South Korean civilians are not tolerable, especially when South Korea is providing North Korea with humanitarian aid," Lee said, according to Yonhap.
"As for such attacks on civilians, a response beyond the rule of engagement is necessary. Our military should show this through action rather than an administrative response" such as statements or talks, he said.
After the incident, Yonhap said the Seoul government "banned its nationals from entering the communist state, indefinitely postponed their scheduled Red Cross talks and began looking at ways to push the United Nations to condemn Pyongyang."
This latest action occurred during South Korean maritime military drills. North Korea said the incident stemmed from those exercises, code named Hoguk, and called the activity "war maneuvers for a war of aggression."
The "South Korean puppet group" engaged in "reckless military provocation" by firing "dozens of shells" inside its territorial waters "despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK" or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the North's military said in a statement.
"The revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK standing guard over the inviolable territorial waters of the country took such a decisive military step as reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike," the statement said.
The provocation this time can be regarded as an invasion of South Korean territory.
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"It is a traditional mode of counter-action of the army of the DPRK to counter the firing of the provocateurs with merciless strikes," said the statement, which warned that it "will unhesitatingly continue taking merciless military counter-actions against it" if the border is crossed.
A senior U.S. defense official said South Korea informed North Korea before firing its first artillery rounds, as part of that training mission, and that "there's no reason North Korea should have been surprised by this firing of artillery."
The U.S. military does not publicly announce its military posture or "state of readiness," but no changes have been observed from what U.S. forces in Korea were doing before this attack. The official says that North Korea has a history of unpredictable behavior and that "in some ways, this is not surprising for them."
Some U.S. forces had been helping the South Koreans in their training exercises, but were not in the shelled area.
Stephen Bosworth, the U.S. special envoy on North Korean denuclearization, urged restraint on both sides when he spoke to reporters about the incident. He was in Beijing to discuss nuclear matters with Chinese diplomats.
"The U.S. strongly condemns this aggression on the part of North Korea, and we stand firmly with our allies. The subject did, of course, come up in my meetings with the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I think we both share the view that such conflict is very undesirable. I expressed to them the desire that restraint to be exercised on all sides, and I think we agree on that."
This incident comes after a U.S. scientist reported that North Korea has a new uranium enrichment facility. North Korean officials said the facility is operating and producing low-enriched uranium, according to Stanford University professor Siegfried Hecker.
The enrichment facility contains 2,000 centrifuges and appears to be designed for nuclear power production, "not to boost North Korea's military capability," Hecker says.
But U.S. and South Korean diplomats said the latest revelation confirms the country's long-term deceit.
Sanctions have been progressively placed on North Korea in response to a succession of nuclear and missile tests and the sinking of the South Korean warship in March.
The United States said it would not dismiss restarting six-party talks aimed at denuclearizing the North. However, it said it would not return to negotiations unless North Korea showed good faith.
Countries that had been negotiating with North Korea over its nuclear program issued swift reactions. The six-party talks include both Koreas, the United States, Russia, Japan and China.
The United States "strongly" condemned North Korea's action, and a U.S. Defense Department official told CNN that the "hope is that this is just one isolated incident, not an escalation into a different military posture" by the North.
U.S. President Obama, who said he deplored the action and plans to call President Lee, said he doesn't believe North Korea is living up to its obligations. U.S. Rep. John Boehner, the House Republican leader who's in line to become the next speaker, said he joined Obama in condemning North Korea's "hostile action."
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China had "taken note of relevant reports" and expressed its "concern." "Relevant facts need to be verified, and we hope both parties make more contributions to the stability of the peninsula," he said.
Russia's Interfax news agency said Russia condemned North Korea's artillery shelling and said "those who initiated the attack on a South Korean island in the northern part of the inter-Korean maritime border line assumed enormous responsibility."
Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan's cabinet held a ministerial meeting, and Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshito Sengoku announced a government statement condemning North Korea and calling the act "unpardonable."
Asked whether the violence in the Yellow Sea would make resumption of six-party talks more difficult, Bosworth said, the "resumption of the six-party talks has never been an easy process." A formal round of talks was last held a few years ago.
"We strongly believe that a multilateral diplomatic approach is the only way to realistically to resolve these problems."
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged that "any differences should be resolved by peaceful means and dialogue."
A U.S. official with knowledge of U.S. strategy on North Korea says it may be time to adjust U.S. military policy in the region.
While the exercises "are designed to deter further provocative behavior by North Korea, obviously it's not working. When we announced joint military exercises in the Yellow Sea, it only angered China. And in other waters, it doesn't seem to be effective deterrence against the North Koreans," the official said.
Coming on the heels of the Cheonan sinking, the Asia Foundation's Snyder said the act "raises fundamental questions regarding what sorts of internal stresses the regime may be facing."
"It also signals dissatisfaction with the inter-Korean relationship and an apparent willingness to keep inter-Korean tensions high. The incident could reflect a more aggressive view of what a nuclear North Korea thinks it can do without facing a broader escalation of tensions."
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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby Ben D » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:16 am

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/152285.html
S Korea, US to begin fresh war games

Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:8AM

The US and South Korea have agreed to hold joint military exercises in the coming days amid growing tensions between North Korea and the South.

US President Barack Obama and his South Korean counterpart Lee Myung-bak made the decision after a meeting over Tuesday's deadly clashes between the two Koreas, Yonhap news agency reported on Wednesday.

The drill in the Yellow Sea will include the aircraft carrier, George Washington, the agency said.

On Tuesday, Seoul and Pyongyang exchanged artillery fire on the Yellow Sea border island of Yeonpyeong and each blamed the other side for starting the skirmish.

South Korea says it returned fire after North Korean forces shelled one of its islands. But the North says the South fired first. Two South Korean Marines were killed in the clashes.

Obama has already promised what he described as "unshakeable support" for Seoul, and called North Korea "a serious threat" that must be dealt with. However, he ruled out any US military intervention.

"The United States remains firmly and fully committed to the defense of its ally the Republic of Korea," he said.

Recently, the United States and South Korea have conducted several massive joint sea and air drills in waters east of the Korean Peninsula.
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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby Nordic » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:26 am

From Washingtonsblog:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/11/ ... shots.html

South Korea Fired the First Shot

While North Korean leader Kim Jong Il is a madman, and while North Korea was the first to kill anyone in today's skirmish, it was actually the South Koreans who fired first.

As AP notes:

The skirmish began when Pyongyang [i.e. North Korea] warned the South to halt military drills in the area, according to South Korean officials. When Seoul [i.e. South Korea] refused and began firing artillery into disputed waters, albeit away from the North Korean shore, the North retaliated by bombarding the small island of Yeonpyeong, which houses South Korean military installations....
And see this.

In addition, the two South Koreans killed were marines, not civilians, stationed in a military town.

Obviously, firing artillery into the water and actually killing people are very different, and I am in no way defending North Korea or its crazy leader. I am simply trying to point out that the headlines can't be taken in a vacuum.
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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby Ben D » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:30 am

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2010/201011/news23/20101123-19ee.html

calendar>>November 23. 2010 Juch 99

KPA Supreme Command Issues Communique

Pyongyang, November 23 (KCNA) -- The Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army Tuesday released the following communique:

The south Korean puppet group perpetrated such reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side around Yonphyong Islet in the West Sea of Korea from 13:00 on Nov. 23 despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK while staging the war maneuvers for a war of aggression on it codenamed Hoguk, escalating the tension on the Korean Peninsula.

The above-said military provocation is part of its sinister attempt to defend the brigandish "northern limit line," while frequently infiltrating its naval warships into the territorial waters of the DPRK side under the pretext of "intercepting fishing boats."

The revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK standing guard over the inviolable territorial waters of the country took such decisive military step as reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike.
It is a traditional mode of counter-action of the army of the DPRK to counter the firing of the provocateurs with merciless strikes.

Should the south Korean puppet group dare intrude into the territorial waters of the DPRK even 0.001 mm, the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK will unhesitatingly continue taking merciless military counter-actions against it.

It should bear in mind the solemn warning of the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK that they do not make an empty talk. There is in the West Sea of Korea only the maritime military demarcation line set by the DPRK
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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby 82_28 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:40 am

Well, judging by that map, if it were a mere "exercise", why the fuck couldn't SK have chosen to have this "exercise" further south? Obviously not a "benign" exercise at all. Anybody have any of the skinny on how this plays into the overall global corporate plan to stage this sequel rumored to be named World War 3?
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Postby Luposapien » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:13 am

This stinks. Bad.

Listening to NPR in the car this morning, they were all over this. Had on an "expert" in Korean relations who made it very clear that the attack was "clearly unprovoked". Talked about how it was a sign that the leadership in the north was feeling weak and compared it to a child throwing a tantrum because it wasn't being paid enough attention. Mention of the US aircraft carrier that just happens to be already (and unquestionably coincidentally) heading into the region for joint murder-practice (started to type "war-games", by fuck that semantic slight-of-mind). Cue Obama pledging our unwavering support for our menaced ally.

This is a set-up. It stinks like last weeks garbage, and people are gonna gulp it down like ambrosia with their fucking Thanksgiving turkeys.

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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby anothershamus » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:12 pm

82_28 wrote:Well, judging by that map, if it were a mere "exercise", why the fuck couldn't SK have chosen to have this "exercise" further south? Obviously not a "benign" exercise at all. Anybody have any of the skinny on how this plays into the overall global corporate plan to stage this sequel rumored to be named World War 3?

Luposapien wrote:This stinks. Bad.

Listening to NPR in the car this morning, they were all over this. Had on an "expert" in Korean relations who made it very clear that the attack was "clearly unprovoked". Talked about how it was a sign that the leadership in the north was feeling weak and compared it to a child throwing a tantrum because it wasn't being paid enough attention. Mention of the US aircraft carrier that just happens to be already (and unquestionably coincidentally) heading into the region for joint murder-practice (started to type "war-games", by fuck that semantic slight-of-mind). Cue Obama pledging our unwavering support for our menaced ally.

This is a set-up. It stinks like last weeks garbage, and people are gonna gulp it down like ambrosia with their fucking Thanksgiving turkeys.

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Yeah, this is really beginning to look like a major provocation to the NK. Like we need another war right now. Oh, Wait! We do, to get the economy going again; maybe we can make it a WWIII this time and THAT will get the world economy going and get rid of lots of breeders. We hit NK and then China gets involved and Voila! New Big War!
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Postby Nordic » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:54 pm

Yeah! Maybe I can start a coffin factory for all the coffins that will need to be shipped to the Koreas when the real big-ass bombardment comes!

I could make MILLIONS!
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:29 pm

Palin Draws Fire With North Korea Gaffe

Posted: 6:37 am EST November 25, 2010Updated: 8:19 am EST November 25, 2010

WASHINGTON -- Sarah Palin is drawing criticism from around the world after declaring that the United States has to stand with "our North Korean allies."

Palin's gaffe, made Wednesday during an interview on Glenn Beck's syndicated radio show, was quickly corrected by her host. But it drew immediate fire from liberal bloggers, who cited it as an example of the 2008 vice presidential candidate's lack of foreign policy expertise.

Newspapers in Asia and Europe are repeating the criticism. The Times of India says Palin "did it again," while London's Daily Mail says she "may want to brush up on her geography."

The conservative U.S. website The Weekly Standard came to Palin's defense, pointing out that "she correctly identified North Korea as our enemy literally eight seconds before the mix-up."

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Postby 82_28 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:54 pm

But it drew immediate fire from liberal bloggers, who cited it as an example of the 2008 vice presidential candidate's lack of foreign policy expertise.


Lack of "expertise"? Jesus. No, just an incurious mindset bowing to its masters, the "blue bloods" which she referred to the bushes as yesterday. She IS an EXPERT in being USED by her masters in order to completely turn all we know into a technofascist theocracy. Liberals need to get their act together and by which I mean, they need to be less averse to "conspiracy", "mind control", "psy-ops" and multi-contextual meaning. Back when not everybody had DSL, the reason why was because of the so-called "last mile". Palin represents a part of that "last mile" to get us all wired up to Margaret Atwood's final nightmare.
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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby Simulist » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:58 pm

Palin's gaffe, made Wednesday during an interview on Glenn Beck's syndicated radio show, was quickly corrected by her host. But it drew immediate fire from liberal bloggers, who cited it as an example of the 2008 vice presidential candidate's lack of foreign policy expertise.

"Lack of foreign policy expertise?" "Expertise"? Seriously?

Sarah Palin doesn't know the difference between North and South Korea. She thinks Afghanistan is "our neighboring country." And of course she thinks she sees Russia from her house.

That isn't a "lack of foreign policy expertise." That's being stupid.
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Re: N. Korea fires artillery onto S. Korean island

Postby anothershamus » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:53 pm

Simulist wrote:
Palin's gaffe, made Wednesday during an interview on Glenn Beck's syndicated radio show, was quickly corrected by her host. But it drew immediate fire from liberal bloggers, who cited it as an example of the 2008 vice presidential candidate's lack of foreign policy expertise.

"Lack of foreign policy expertise?" "Expertise"? Seriously?

Sarah Palin doesn't know the difference between North and South Korea. She thinks Afghanistan is "our neighboring country." And of course she thinks she sees Russia from her house.

That isn't a "lack of foreign policy expertise." That's being stupid.


Unfortunately it worked well for GWB! Just one of the boys, she is someone that a real person can go have a 'cosmo' with!
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