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Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:58 am

I miss when people werent afraid to speak up, and especially when bands stood for something...now everything has been Bieber-Gaga-Perryfied. If you dare speak out against Obama Bush Bin Laden or these wars, you get called a kook. Put an Apple Logo on it, get worshipped by millions.



Bansky had his golden spotlight in the media with Exit Through the Gift Shop. Michael Moore got to thumb it in the nose of Iraq war and Bush when it was taboo. Dixie Chicks got banned for speaking out on the war. Muse used to talk about all kinds of "conspiracy stuff" in front of huge crowds.

But WHERE are the bands, artists, and personalities really sticking their head out?

Remember Jello Biafra and Dead Kennedys? Marilyn Manson in 1996? Remember Rage Against the Machine. Skinny Puppy? And the world NEEDED Bill Hicks more than ever after 9/11 and endless ObUsha wars.

Man how did we go from THIS amazing middle finger to the Pentagon NWO narco-corporatacracy (brilliant Jello Biafra speech before Ministry)



to THIS?



I admit, a lot of the stuff I listen to these days is chill out happy dappy indie rock hipster dance shit. But I miss the days of the rebel.

Why isn't there MORE of this in pop culture hip hop?



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Sick to effing heck with this Obama/Tea Party, Apple product, internet meme, smart phone/instant everything, brain addled remixed/rebooted/rehashed/remashed Jersey Shore Gaga Perry bullshit we're living in.

We need more Mckennas, more Moore/Morrisons, more Michael Moores, more Pilgers and Scahills. Hell more Alex Jones, if Alex Jones wasnt such a xenophobic right winger



Where did the anger of 70's, 80's and 90's punk/political rap/metal/etc go?
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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:02 am

No Humans Allowed: http://nohumansallowed.bandcamp.com/

http://louismackey.bandcamp.com/track/death-of-you

when monkeys want something, man, monkeys make a way
and that's the basic brain science behind the paper chase
some Asian nation gets a generation laid to waste
just another number in the database of Satan's banks
...yeah, i got a problem if you're rockefeller funded
like you never wondered how your daily bread was getting buttered
the fed gets together, the matter is debated
and a couple billion bucks is just magically created
funny, right? yeah, this whole economy is comedy
used to watch and weep, nowadays it doesn't bother me
stopped starting arguments and messing with the herd
we get what we deserve, right? let the system burn

live and learn, people say, people never do it though
twist and turn, squeeze my way out and hit the studio
stupid stoned, just to fund a daily dime habit
but it's either die laughing, or waste my time rapping
...I do not get the plot...I am getting the gist, though
you better recognize yours the same second it clicks
cuz in the end you gotta settle for whatever you did
kid, I do not have the answers, I am not selling you...
if you disagree, pretty please, dweeb...move along
you're the mutant spawn of some Fox News Super-Mom, I know...
yeah, if only it was up to you...justice, truth and
good homes for all the little puppies, too
I'm fucking through with this country, done with being with being white, too
I'm not dumb, I'm being lied to and it's fucked with me since high school,
like fine, dude, you see it how it needs to be seen
to sleep without dreaming for weeks, if you see what I mean
probably not, with your fraudulent god calling your shots
something more than nothing, but it's all that you've got
the funniest part is how you think you're thinking and stuff
and that's the reason Louis Mackey's always drinking too much
and that's the reason that emcees can just settle for being decent
and bleed to death with steady forgettable free releases
the death of you, reality check to get the message through
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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:07 am

Tom Morello: Standing Up for the Working Man

by David Malitz - Sept. 1, 2011 12:03 PM
The Washington Post

Tom Morello will always be best known as one of rock-and-roll's great electric guitar wizards.

It was his spiky, sinewy playing that lit the fuse in the dynamite that was Rage Against the Machine, one of the most ferocious bands of the '90s, whose punk-funk-rap-rock assault was often imitated but rarely matched. And Morello's ability to combine otherworldly effects with efficient and explosive playing earned him the No. 26 spot on Rolling Stone's 2003 list of 100 Greatest Guitar Players of All-Time.
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But in the decade that Rage has been more or less on hiatus, Morello has taken on a new identity. He has traded in his electric guitar and array of pedals for a simple acoustic and been reborn as the Nightwatchman, an old-fashioned folk singer who stands up for the working man.

"The idea of the lone troubadour standing there with three chords and the truth on a flatbed truck at the barricades is appealing," says Morello, 47. "With Rage, the idea is to create mosh pits in an arena or stadium. With the Nightwatchman, the idea is to create mosh pits in your mind."

The new album "World Wide Rebel Songs" is Morello's fourth effort as the Nightwatchman and changes the blueprint just a bit. It's the first electric Nightwatchman album, and Morello is backed by a full band that adds extra punch to his protest songs. "The idea with this record was to be part Johnny Cash, part Che Guevera, part Marshall stack 1/8amplifier3/8," he says.

The best way to see the true Morello is his solo act.

"I've now made as many Nightwatchman records as Rage Against the Machine records," he says. "There are great benefits to playing with a band and the chemistry you have with other musicians. But there's a real purity to doing the solo work. The Nightwatchman stuff is definitely the most full-world view of my take on music and myself."

Morello is a proud far-left activist who has adopted many human-rights issues as his own, including recent high-profile battles over immigration law in Arizona and union struggles in Wisconsin.

"I love the fact that I can pick up an acoustic guitar and be on the front lines of any struggle tomorrow," says Morello, whose February performance at the Wisconsin state house brought extra attention to the cause.

But the genesis of "World Wide Rebel Songs" came from a much smaller place -- a low-end guitar factory in South Korea. After workers there unionized a couple of years ago, they were fired and the plant was moved to China. Morello agreed to play a benefit show for them. The day before the show, a devastating earthquake struck Haiti, and the South Korean workers decided to donate all the money raised to Haiti relief efforts. Morello was so moved that he wrote the track "World Wide Rebel Songs" that night and used it as a jumping-off point for the record.

"The idea in that song, in my music and in the concert, is to try to create a little bit of the world that you'd like to see," he says. "That one selfless act of people from halfway around the globe pitching in and having each other's backs, it happens a lot.

"When I was in Wisconsin in February in the midst of the union demonstrations there, I got this moving e-mail from one of the organizers of the demonstrations in Cairo. He said, 'We've got your back, we're all in this together.' "


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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby 82_28 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:08 am

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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:17 am

Good to see Tom still active and bands still doing their thing...just sucks you don't see this in the mainstream or even the "alternative" mainstream.

The spirit of Jello, Lennon, Morello, Malcom X and Bill Hicks needs to be channeled ASAP.



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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:40 am

Billy Bragg and Steve Earl have both been doing the Woody Guthrie thing and getting airtime on DemocracyNow.
But that's because Pacifica Radio is just about the only network not spook controlled.

The culture spooks learned to un-stir the kidz back when they took out Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison.

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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby barracuda » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:44 am

8bitagent wrote:how did we go from THIS ... to THIS?


That's a bit of a false dicotomy there. When the Dead Kennedys had their first "hit record", The Knack was at the top of the charts. Pure bubblegum. Bieber's job is to sing love songs for tweener girls, and he's very talented at it.

8bitagent wrote:...just sucks you don't see this in the mainstream or even the "alternative" mainstream.


Believe me when I tell you that the DK's never broke into any kind of mainstream at all, at least not during their original incarnation as a band. Their music was vigorously ignored by MTV and most radio stations. They were actively prosecuted for obscenity. I don't believe they had a single record chart in the United States, ever. It was a rare thing to hear one of their songs on the radio, even in California. I must have seen them five times during their heyday of the late 1970's/ early 1980's and never experienced a crowd over two hundred people. Usually more like around seventy. It took twenty-five years for one their albums to achieve gold status.

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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby 82_28 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:51 am

We're currently channeling them. As non-warriors, we are doing all that we can and trying to remain peaceful in the struggle for our "identity" -- cept there's no struggle other than the one that is ancient and peace is only what we make of it.

However, a dude I know who runs a bar and is an extreme artist has been getting bothered by some lunatic who he had to mace today and we relied on the cops. The cops are cool (for the most part). I've been working with a cop, as I've mentioned in other threads to solve old crimes. Cops are good men and women. They just become cocksuckers when they get around one another and have been politicized. I think we all agree, we must all play ball. It's perhaps a game within a game within a game -- but we all still play ball. It's the empire which has deranged our systems, not necessarily our very minds and our ability to play the game.
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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby Project Willow » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:35 am

Nobody gets a serious leg in the system (and by system I mean the public and private entities that propel acts or personalities onto the national stage) by making products that buck the system, unless the system decides it's in a mood to sell self-referential material and calculates it can indeed profit off your silly, rebel ass without much blowback.

IOW, I know a few, but they'll never meet Damien Hirst at a cocktail party.

My friend Su was right however, creativity is necessary to, or maybe, if I could trust my awareness of history, is always at the crux of change, and it seems like there's plenty of that going on, it's just that no one's calling a substantial chunk of it art. (And that's rather ridiculous considering all the baloney that gets labeled art in the art world.) I'm thinking of a range of fairly newish activities, all the way from yarn bombing to anon and Wikileaks.

However, if I were to answer your question in all honesty, I'd just have to say, "Fuck you." *Looks around* Who's forum are you on? A writer, who's an artist who's... we're right here, but the system doesn't support us dude. Don't require me to make it to that Hirst cocktail party first. IOW 8bit, send a donation (Operator Kos needs support too) and be content.
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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:59 am

82_28 wrote:We're currently channeling them. As non-warriors, we are doing all that we can and trying to remain peaceful in the struggle for our "identity" -- cept there's no struggle other than the one that is ancient and peace is only what we make of it.

However, a dude I know who runs a bar and is an extreme artist has been getting bothered by some lunatic who he had to mace today and we relied on the cops. The cops are cool (for the most part). I've been working with a cop, as I've mentioned in other threads to solve old crimes. Cops are good men and women. They just become cocksuckers when they get around one another and have been politicized. I think we all agree, we must all play ball. It's perhaps a game within a game within a game -- but we all still play ball. It's the empire which has deranged our systems, not necessarily our very minds and our ability to play the game.



Oh I agree. A lot of times, I feel cops are important. Someone is bleeding or injured or something f'd up just happened...well, who ya gonna call? I remember a few voices were cheering on that guy who killed four cops some coffee shop near Seattle, making it some race issue. It's hard, because I wrestle with seeing tension and fights(sometimes outright crimes) when I take public transportation in inner city areas every weekend...and then years of seeing racist cops with hoses and batons against blacks in archival footage and absorbing everything on the civil rights struggle today. So while I see the "fuck the cops" sentiment by anarchists, civil rights groups, etc...at other times I feel "no, we need the cops".

But it just feels like...10 years after the New York horror show, only the controlled right wing tea party "has a voice". Even the union rights/worker stuff doesn't get much traction. Maybe the young minds, as addled on twittery texts as they are, are forging ahead for the future of medicine, science, etc. Other times I feel there is no hope.

People think I am calling for some violent revolution. I hate guns, I'm a total peacenik and I clash with the patriot/alex jones/militia types even if I sometimes agree with some of the stuff they talk about.
I'm more for a personal awakening/revolution or mass awakening.
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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:04 am

Project Willow wrote:Nobody gets a serious leg in the system (and by system I mean the public and private entities that propel acts or personalities onto the national stage) by making products that buck the system, unless the system decides it's in a mood to sell self-referential material and calculates it can indeed profit off your silly, rebel ass without much blowback.

IOW, I know a few, but they'll never meet Damien Hirst at a cocktail party.

My friend Su was right however, creativity is necessary to, or maybe, if I could trust my awareness of history, is always at the crux of change, and it seems like there's plenty of that going on, it's just that no one's calling a substantial chunk of it art. (And that's rather ridiculous considering all the baloney that gets labeled art in the art world.) I'm thinking of a range of fairly newish activities, all the way from yarn bombing to anon and Wikileaks.

However, if I were to answer your question in all honesty, I'd just have to say, "Fuck you." *Looks around* Who's forum are you on? A writer, who's an artist who's... we're right here, but the system doesn't support us dude. Don't require me to make it to that Hirst cocktail party first. IOW 8bit, send a donation (Operator Kos needs support too) and be content.


At this point, Damien Hirst is empire(Forget who wrote that "--- is empire" article) By that I mean, I see Damien Hirst/Godfried Helnwein/insert once taboo artist* influence in Lady Gaga, big budget movies, etc. Everything has been done. Heck I'm surprised they didn't show Serbian Film at cineplexes across America with how popular Saw and Hostel is.

I mean I shouldn't complain...other than some health issues, I'm not suffering. I make do on a few hundred bucks a month, more than what Burmese sweat shoppers make. My "protest" could be seen as just more arm chair posturing.

And even when we see artists speaking out, it's packaged that way. Hey, next on MSNBC...Jeremy Scahill and Michael Moore tell us why our parent company GE are war making bastards! Next on Chris Matthews! Even protest is sold as packaged newstainment. Duncan Blake art suicide in new york..coming soon starring the team behind Twilight!
I guess sometimes people like Jon Stewart just have to smile and be in on the joke.
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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby semper occultus » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:29 am

...funny thing is that certainly from a UK perspective the world-view of the right .... as exemplified by people like Peter Hitchens & Melanie Philips ...always strikes me as emerging from & driven by a similar existential angst, indeed rage, at imminent defeat - they actually feel like they're fighting a desperate rear-guard action in the face of a tidal wave of liberal back-sliding & anarchic youth that is at least as pessimistic as the views many posters here express againt the *system*

I reckon from "up there", in the glossy minimalist board-rooms, "down-here" looks absolutley terrifying in terms of what could come boiling-up ( as you say a Wikileaks, a napster or whatever ) & how they deal with it...... pulling cluelessly on the levers of a lumbering steam-engine - trying to roll-over the mole-hills of opposition popping-up infront of them whilst keeping the whole monstrous contraption from plunging off the edge into the precipice....
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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:12 am

I notice that Wisconsin rally poster has Wayne Kramer listed.

My good friend Robert Larson has had Mr. Kramer on a couple times I believe.

The only one online I can find right now is from 2006:


OUT THE RABBIT HOLE

One of the most influential bands in American rock music history is the MC5. Hear a talk with MC5 founding guitarist Wayne Kramer as he recounts those wild days when they were the only band to play at the protest of the 1968 Democratic Party Convention in Chicago before all hell broke loose, when their affiliation with The Black Panthers and other "radical" groups got the attention of the FBI. 3/31/06

http://www.kuci.org/talk/audio/kramer.mp3



He's also interviewed Exene Cervenka recently...


Interview with Legendary Punk Singer Exene Cervenka
Thursday, August 04, 2011, 7:00:00 PM

Exene Cervenka is a singer and founding member of the highly inspirational and influential L.A. punk band X and the alt country / americana / cowpunk band The Knitters. She is also the author of several books of poetry and prose including "Adulterers Anonymous," "Just Another War," "Make The Music Go Bang," and "Virtual Unreality." Exene as well has several solo albums, been in films, and been featured in art shows. Hear this discussion with her.

http://www.kuci.org/podcastfiles/668/Exene.mp3

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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:23 am

elfismiles wrote:I notice that Wisconsin rally poster has Wayne Kramer listed.

My good friend Robert Larson has had Mr. Kramer on a couple times I believe.



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Re: Where's The Bands And Artists F'ing Things Up?

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:34 am

I know I've mentioned these guys before - but the new Fucked Up album "David Comes to Life" is a punk opera set in Thatcherian England and is about the experience of love and loss amidst revolutionary revolt. It's a fairly well-received album and got an 8.6 on Pitchfork.
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