The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

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The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

Postby American Dream » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:53 pm

I'm condensing the various parts of this series (till now) together into the larger piece which it really is...
A.D.

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The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

An Introduction – by Seamus Coogan

I was introduced to David Icke by my good friend Kris about 6 years ago. We were talking about covert political shenanigans, and she told me to check him out.

Kristen, a deeply intelligent, spiritual and open-minded person may not have known the impact of her words upon me.

I discovered to my amusement and dismay that alongside Alex Jones, Icke – an articulate, middle-aged fellow – is amongst the worlds elite “conspiracists”.

He piqued my interest (negatively almost right away).

This series of essays will serve as something of a study and critique of David Icke, and I guess as a little introduction to myself.

Thanks to the efforts of groups like TopSecretWriters, Consortium News, CTKA and Magonia Online (amongst others); there is an increasing number of researchers distancing themselves from “conspiracy theorists”.

These individuals have misappropriated their work and trivialised important findings. As the reader shall learn in Part II, while the “conspiracy theorist” label does sum up people like Icke, it is not a positive label by any means.

In fact, it is a grossly inaccurate, limiting and frankly rather insulting title for those of us in what Greg Bishop calls the “Excluded Middle” and Len Osanic calls, “The Legion of Reason”.

Whatever one wants to call it, there is certainly a growing trend towards reclaiming sanity in a number of different and controversial areas of which, during the course of my writings with TopSecretWriters, I shall discuss.

What’s so Bad About a Conspiracy Theory?

President Nixon resigned amid one of the most public government conspiracies of all time.

Conspiracy means “to breathe together”.

If we put it that way conspiracy, like politics, is everywhere. Some of it is good, some of it is bad.

Conspiracy is “bad” when democratic principals are stomped on by powerful forces, and secrets are kept from the public.

Lets not deny it, conspiracies like this happen, and have happened for eons. However, we also need to face up to the fact that not everything is a conspiracy. Things can and do just happen.

Furthermore, conspiracy, it seems, as an after thought or a by-product of complex societal and business structures enshrouded in government bureaucracy and intelligence fun and games.

We are also aware, that while intelligence agencies are most definitely involved in nefarious plots, they are also on record as inventing completely bogus conspiracies and promoting totally unimportant ones.

They are on the official record as having partaken in spreading all manner of disinformation.

Setting the Record Straight – A Terminology


In my writings, the reader shall also hit upon the terms “conspirahypocrite” and “conspiravangelist” quite often.

Both terms seem rather harsh and a tad sanctimonious. Yet, they are only reserved for those who truly earn them.

As a researcher, I have made mistakes, I have been misled and may well have held contradictory positions at certain times. That happens often in this field.

Nevertheless, I have always tried to be consistent and self-reflective in my output, thus mistakes rarely happen twice.

I also try my hardest not to let my own imagination run away with me. Researchers and journalists do not pretend to know everything about how the world is run or whom runs it.

There is an old adage, chucked around research circles – that being, “the more you learn, the less you know.”

Most importantly we have a responsibility to give you, the reader, as accurate an analysis as possible. Hence, I do not see it as my divine right to “tell” anybody anything. I see it as a tremendous privilege as being viewed as worthy of such platforms as CTKA and TSW.


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Part II: Conspirahypocrites, Conspiravangelism & Commentators

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“They just can’t help themselves when they get excited.”

- Mark Pilkington. ‘Ere be Dragons’; 1998.

Let us contrast the researcher with the ‘conspirahypocrite’.

In my view, conspirahypocrites are the resident sociopaths of the culture. As said, they are also the ones I associate most heavily with being ‘conspiracy theorists’.

These individuals are rarely, if ever wrong, yet they often refuse to enter into well-moderated public debate.

And when they do defend their arguments, it is usually with the same lies they told in the first place.

Occasionally, their rhetoric includes the great caveat that their assessor is actually a ‘CIA plant’. The irony being that, in their tirades, they often unwittingly pump disinformation from the gods of Langley.
Thus, their imaginations conquer reason.

Some are quieter and less obvious than others. Indeed, these individuals may well disagree with known conspirahypocrites, passing themselves off as researchers. Do not be fooled.

Though capable of seemingly passable work, if one scratches the surface, examines the scenery and asks the hard questions, these individuals are often no less rabid at the altar of conspiravangelism.

Kenn Thomas and Richard Dolan are classic cases of this dilemma.

David Icke and Alex Jones

David Icke often makes the point that it’s fine if people don’t agree with him. Alex Jones makes the same claim.

Yet, this modest public persona is very much at odds with both men’s sales pitches, and the amount of merchandise that you can find on their websites.

Truth can be ‘purchased’ via books, DVD’s, tickets to public appearances, faith healers, gold sellers – the whole lot.

Alex Jones is even more unscrupulous.

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Jon Ronson once asked Alex Jones for his opinions on Icke. Jones, never noting the irony of his own bombast, mentioned that Icke has some sound ideas, but he muddies the waters by making ‘asinine’ claims.

Jones then compares Icke’s “Reptilian Lizard” men concept as being akin to a “turd in a punch bowl”.

Yet Jones, seeing dollar signs around Icke, has since become more than willing to drink from that very punch bowl.

Hence, Icke the “turd” is regularly on his show!

People forget that the world of conspirachypocisy is a very competitive one. The bigger the noise, the more exposure one gets. The more exposure means more radio time, and of course more hits for those advertising on their sites.

It also means you attract the attention of intellectuals.

Where “Intellectuals” Fit In

Two key academic figures involved in lumping real researchers, journalists and neutrals in with the conspirahypocrites over the years have been Professors Michael Barkun and Daniel Pipes.

Barkun and Pipes are considered “experts” on conspiracists and their theories, and are referred to often in the mainstream.

This is another extremely sad indictment of the situation. Individuals like Dr Michael Parenti (though inaccurate with some details) understand the nature of conspiracies far more than both Barkun and Pipes, yet he is rarely if ever, picked up by the mainstream media.

Pipes is quite clearly psychotic (just visit his website), yet he provides a passable history of conspiracy theories. Some of Barkun’s writings (I say this with extreme reservation) also have the potential to be mildly useful.

For all of their credentials, Barkun and Pipes are ultimately of the opinion that conspiracy theories are essentially modern myths, cooked up by people to help explain away unexpected events in much the same way as the ancients believed the gods controlled the weather or the ocean.

Critiquing the Critiquers


While this view sounds soothing, and in many way’s it could easily sum up what Icke and Jones dish out, we have to wonder how Barkun and Pipes earned their PhD’s?

I find it entirely implausible that after all their years of study, they never once acknowledged the mass of evidence that U.S intelligence has in fact actively cultivated a number of powerful conspiracy myths.

They have been all over UFO’s since day one during the Blue Book years. They have circulated all manner of conspirators in the Kennedy case (not just Oswald). Many now suspect that it is they, who have been targeting the conspirahypocrite fraternity.

Thus, I shall use Barkun and Pipes as an example of the difference between careful researchers and their “theorist” imitators.

When writing this treatise I expected both to have many enemies in the ‘theorist’ camp. As, over the years, they have made a number of direct assaults on individuals like Icke and Jones.

Yet, Barkun and Pipes have very rarely faced any counter critique from their targets. In particular, critiques about their dubious theories about conspiracies being a form of ‘modern mythology’.

Individuals like Icke are a little less aggressive, while Alex Jones himself can be particularly rabid when pressed. Jones in particular is quite forceful when in pursuit of figures the he has deemed to have ‘dissed’ him.

Barkun and Pipes Government Connections



Just reading Wikipedia, you can see Barkun is an asset of the FBI. This, I dare say, is chicken feed compared to Pipes’ father.

Richard Pipes was head of the CIA’s notorious and paranoid ‘Team B’, set up by George Bush when he was head of the CIA in 1976.

According to a Slate article published in July of 2004, titled “Can the CIA be Saved”, by Fred Kaplan, he discussed the fact that Team B had been set up to discredit the estimates of CIA analysts in Team A, whom had supposedly been guilty of playing down the extent of the Soviet threat.

Craig Unger, wrote on pages 54-55 of the intriguing “American Armageddon” that during his time as head of Team B, Pipes senior was wined and dined around Washington by Richard Perle. Perle would later convince Pipes to bring Paul Wolfowitz on board.

These are all pretty significant connections that Barkun and Pipes possess.

Why Don’t Icke and Jones Respond?

In my experiences dealing with Icke and Jones, I assumed for a time that neither had heard of these fellows.

However, as it turned out, they have.

I recall seeing Pipes and Icke take opposing positions in a rather banal History Channel show entitled “Secret Societies” in about 2004.

After looking around, I found nothing much from Icke critiquing Pipes, bar a few Icke fans discussing how Icke had “owned him”.

On Jones’ score, I recently came across a piece featuring Pipes being criticised for endorsing a lightening invasion of Iran in early 2010 on an Alex Jones site.

Again, bar the odd complaint about Pipes being a ‘shill’, I saw nothing in terms of any investigations by Jones into Barkuns and Pipes backgrounds.

Yet, it was via Jones that I finally found a critique of Barkun.

Clear Incompetence

In his 2005 documentary “The Order of Death”, Jones gleefully discussed the establishment’s reaction to his 2000 invasion of Bohemian Grove.

In doing so, he showed a clip of Barkun discussing the Grove and mentioning Jones.

Jones in-depth analysis of Barkun was that he was a “shifty-eyed professor they dug up, who appeared to be flashing Masonic hand signs”.

Jones, Icke and their fans incompetence in the conspiracy field, echoes that of their opponents.

What this creates (by accident or by design) is a symbiotic relationship of mutual benefit. By making sweeping generalisations about those involved in conspiracy circles, and in doing so paying close attention to individuals like Icke and Jones, Barkun and Pipes prove their limited thesis.

The irony is that while Icke and Jones decry the mainstream media, they alsowelcome the attention of it.

Ultimately, the joke is on us all.

Straw candidates like Icke and Jones are ‘tapped’, to express alternate viewpoints to the main stream, and do so loudly enough to drown out anyone else.

All the while, more rational voices – more than capable of single-handedly taking down types like Barkun and Pipes – have been denied the chance to do so.

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Part III – Conspiracy Meets Bad History


Today, I would also like to engage the nonsense that secret societies and their related families are immersed in ancient and arcane, sacred and satanic values and rituals.

Believe it or not, in many ways, David Icke sometimes comes across as a slightly more balanced bloke than Jones. However, this is only an illusion – they are yin and yang.

While Jones goes wildly off in one direction with his American, Christian/Militia sympathies, David Icke goes down the completely opposite English, New age/Spiritualist path with much the same disastrous results.

Spirituality and religion meeting politics head-on is the ultimate romance-versus-reality struggle. Unless handled by a professional researcher with requisite skill and good judgement (which Icke has little of), pseudo-religious expression mixed with an appalling lack of knowledge about history (ancient and modern) leads to much of our modern-day myth making.

Take for instance the NWO.

David Icke and indeed Alex Jones are bothpart of a huge problem. That is, their obsession with occult activities surrounding secret organisations, which make up the “NWO” or New World Order – their eternal pariah.

What is the New World Order?

It’s important that we briefly go over the idea of a New World Order.

Because in reality, it would have to be more than just a ‘nebulous world order’. There would have to be some organization – some central brain to the operation.

Studies conducted in 2005 by the National Institute for Advanced Research Advancement (NIRA) revealed that there are over 500 or so think tank groups around the world.

Regardless if these are government run, privately funded, well known or not, they have often had a disproportionate amount of influence on government and policy decisions. In essence, they make up the brain of the operation.

However, in many cases they have also been at odds with one another.

So, this unified idea of elites leaching off of us in some intellectually superior manner may in a sense be accurate. Regardless, there are still competing factions and groups among them, so to lump all of these organizations into one entity is the height of futility.

The Jay Weidner Illuminati “Insider”

While examining Icke’s website, I found myself encountering a one Jay Weidner. Weidner’s book posits that Kubrick’s paranoia came from his experiences as an illuminate insider.

If you’ve seen Kubrick’s terminally overrated “Eyes Wide Shut” movie from 1999, then you know that the idea of some kind of occult-like ‘hi-jinks’ going on amongst the power elites made for some interesting adult cinema in the ‘Masked Ball’ scene.

Weidner hinted in an interview on “Red Ice radio” in March of 2011 that this scene was what may well have gotten Kubrick killed. Kubrick’s name, of course, has become embroiled in the fake moon landing theory (which is another series of tales for another time).

Before we indulge in this goofiness, at the end of the day, no matter how truthful or contrived Kubrick’s depiction of a Satanic orgy was in ‘Eyes Wide Shut’, rich dudes, alone or in groups, ‘banging’ high-class hookers is in fact nothing new.

All manner of folk have been getting their kicks since ancient times with varying degrees of secrecy, and surprisingly little ceremony.

Yet, I can just imagine an Icke or Weidner fan’s reaction to this last statement.

“What of the real blue bloods; the Rockefellers, Rothschild’s, Prince Charles – these guys are the realelites that possess ‘ancient’ knowledge that this scene depicts”.

Secret, Ritualistic Ceremonies – Seriously?

If one looks into the disturbing tales behind the Franklin scandal, the horrific thing about the victims was the lives they had led prior to becoming chattels.

I see nothing ceremonial in the stories of these events.

Instead, they make me think of the infamous J Edgar Hoover booze-fueled frat parties, exploiting poor, vulnerable boys. That is not a thought many would like to entertain.

If anyone believes the Bible or the Koran has remained unchanged since their inception, they are entitled to that belief. Yet, ask any half-decent historian, theologian or indeed an atheist like Richard Dawkins, and they will tell you that ancient religion is perhaps the greatest and most contentious Chinese whisper of all time.

So, if even well-documented religions like Islam and Judeo-Christianity are not so perfect, for “purity” sake, then what then can we expect of the utterly tacky religious rites those in these so called ‘secret societies’ supposedly recite for their tantric sexcapades?

Was the Maked Ball Scene Truly “Authentic”?

Thus, let us return to Mr Kubrick and his supposedly “authentic” Masked Ball scene, made all the more sinister by the music and chanting of the High Priest.

It was scored by a one Jocelyn Pook.

Pook had mixed and dubbed an Eastern Orthodox liturgy in Romanian and simply played it backwards. I really do not know of anyone whom has pulled a Tom Cruise, and crashed an NWO party before.

The wealthy parties that I have personally crashed had dance floors just like anywhere else. I suspect Kubrick had much the same experiences (except he was probably invited).

Kubrick based his book on an Austrian Novel from 1926. It was Arthur Schnitzler’s “Traumnovelle-Dreamstory”, from which the fictional scene was based on.

At the end of the day, the only thing ancient about the ceremony was the Orthodox chanting, and even that lacked authenticity by being played in reverse.

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Part IV – David Icke The Son Of God

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David Icke, born in poverty in post war Leicester, has a far more compelling and genuinely sympathetic story than many others like him.

Finding himself shy, unconfident and disinterested in school, Icke saw football (soccer) as an escape from his grudging reality.

Playing goalkeeper, he became a full professional in the late sixties and early seventies, representing Coventry and Hereford.

By all accounts he was a talented enough player to have had some interest from larger clubs. Unfortunately, Icke’s dreams of furthering himself via the game ended with the early onset of arthritis at the age of 21.

Though this was heart breaking for the young man, his time in football had not been in vain.

Thanks to the contacts Icke had made in the media, he eventually landed a job as a sports journalist for a Leicester newspaper and, as it turned out, Icke (effectively a high school drop out) found himself to be a good writer, and indeed a popular one.

On top of his natural journalistic abilities, the confidence he had gained in playing football had also aided him in becoming an engaging public speaker, and his boyish good looks made him a natural for broadcasting work.

In short, the fellow had charisma.

Icke’s Rise and Fall in Media

Icke worked his way up to the ‘Beeb’ (BBC) as a sportscaster in 1982, and before too long he was a household name across Britain as well as a published author.

His first book, “It’s a Tough Game Son” discussed the rigours of becoming a pro-footballer.

Things were running smoothly for Dave, until he caused headlines after being given the sack by the state broadcaster in 1990. His sacking took place after he publicly denounced the conservative government and refused to pay his poll tax in 1990.

Icke, having become extremely bored with television anyway, had plenty of options open to him. By 1989 he had published another book titled, “It doesn’t have to be like this” about the environment.

Thus, he could have been content being something of local hero and a co-spokesperson for the Greens (Green speak for co-leader), and it seems likely he could have spent time as newspaper columnist and even as a politician.

At least this was all on the surface.

Alternative Treatment for Arthritis

Underneath it all, Icke had been in increasing turmoil since the mid-eighties, trying to find alternative treatments to his chronic arthritis.

Jon Ronson has hypothesized in his excellent book “Them; Adventures With Extremists“, that Icke’s arthritis, which had by now infected all his joints, meant that Icke had been taking increasing amounts of ever more powerful pain killers, and may have triggered a mild psychosis.

Regardless of what the trigger was, by 1989, Icke began to sense an invisible “entity”.

The entity harassed Icke to the point that he sought a spiritual healer, where upon he discovered that the spirit was trying to tell him that he was going to help save the world.

Icke eventually professed to the Green Party that he was the child of God some months later. It should come as no surprise that they promptly banned him from speaking on their behalf.

The word eventually got around UK press circles about Icke’s odd behaviour. Yet Alex Burns at disinformation.com wrote in 2000:

“The brutal reality according to some conflicting accounts however, is that Icke got a personal assistant pregnant whilst on holiday, and split with his family. The public outcry drove Icke into the very fringes of conspiriology subcultures.”

In fairness to Icke, Burns’ accusation is slightly tenuous.

Icke and his ex-wife are still good friends and, judging by Ickes own comments, were going down separate lines anyway. Thus, I doubt it was really that much of a scandal.

I also find it difficult to think Icke would have staged acted like he did on the Wogan show, to deflect blame away from his extra-marital proclivities.

Working the Wogan Show

Icke’s reappearance in front of a curious British public, in April of 1991, has gone down in BBC folklore.

It was not helped by his choice of clothing at the time, as he was wearing a turquoise track/jump suit (he seriously believed this was God’s chosen colour) and looking like something from Buck Rogers.

Icke then went on to predict a string of natural disasters (that did not occur); like the fact that New Zealand would sink into the sea (I am still here, unfortunately for you Dave) and did little to dissuade the notion that he still believed himself to be the son of God.

Icke became a laughing stock almost overnight.

To hear Icke talk of what he went through, one is tempted to feel for the fellow. He now deeply regrets a number of things he said in his early years of crusading, and to his credit Icke retains a sense of humour about certain aspects of his career.

He believes his child of ‘God’ line was misquoted, and openly takes the mickey out of himself for wearing that “hideous” track suit.

Humiliated into Freedom

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According to Icke, his experiences on the show set him free.

Rather than go back and re-work his strategy, Icke went the other way. You see, once Icke broke the public humiliation barrier, he no longer felt constricted by what other people thought.

It was only through undergoing this ordeal that he became truly ‘free’.

Icke’s ‘freedom’ of course, has drowned out all rational responses to his claims. In Jon Ronson’s 2001 production entitled “David Icke: The Reptiles and the Jews”, we see a cut of Icke telling a crowd that the world is being run by reptilian aliens.

This sounds completely ridiculous to the average person. He knows it sounds crazy, but as he puts it, “a number of people thought Columbus was insane travelling to the edge of the earth.”

Icke is no Columbus. He has not discovered a brave new world. Nor is he a modern day Nostradamus.

In the insightful 2006 documentary by Channel 5 titled “David Icke, Was he Right?”, we see that Icke was apparently correct about a number of events taking place in the world that he foretold. This is all very well and good for Icke.

Icke is not dumb; and in his moments of clarity, he does present a decent political analysis.

However, I’ll argue that anybody with a modicum of thought could have told you that some interesting stuff was about to happen in the 90′s through to the present day.

Indeed, it’s the type of stuff credible individuals like John Pilger, Naomi Klein and others have been discussing for years.

I also hasten to add that with the sheer amount of garbage Icke talks about, he’s bound to have gotten one or two things correct – like throwing darts at a dartboard and by sheer luck hitting a bulls-eye a couple of times.

Icke as Jesus

I ask the reader to please look on either Google Video or You Tube, and find an interesting appearance Icke made on the Wogan show a number of years after he had humiliated himself by calling himself Jesus on it.

Icke received some hearty applause and something of an apology from Wogan.

Now many in England know that Terry Wogan has long been a mouth piece for the establishment, and proved this by declaring the United States “a free and open society” after the debacle of the 2000 US elections and the 9/11 tragedy.

Icke duly responded with some mockery of his own.

Nonetheless, I could not help but think how sad it was that Icke, a person of extremely dubious logic, became a mouthpiece for millions on these issues.

It was redemption of a kind for Icke. However, it was a real kick in the teeth for reality.

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Part V – The Reptilian Conspiracy & Judaism

1999 was the year in which David Icke broke the conspirahypocrite world big time with his tome “The Biggest Secret”, in which he suggested that ancient bloodlines of Reptilians had intermixed with the earth’s most powerful families.

Icke’s work was based heavily on the rather imaginative writings of a fellow called Zechariah Sitchin.

Sitchin claimed that the ancient Gods of Sumeria were indeed Reptilians. Inspired by the claims, Icke picked up the ball and ran with it.

Eventually, he combined the Anunnaki with the mystic “Aryan” blonde haired, blue eyed aliens of yore.

Yup, these were the very ones that George Adamski allegedly encountered.

Next year, I plan to do a piece on Diana Spencer’s death for TopSecretWriters. Until then, I’ll give you a hint – I doubt she was killed as a result of seeing the Royal Family in lizard form as he has been claiming.

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Mystic Ancient Lineage?

This type of ‘mystical ancient lineage’ stuff is classic conspiravangelism and horrific counter mythology to common sense.

It is next to impossible to trace and define ones “ancient” lineage. The time difference is simply too vast.

The records as far back as the dates being implied are so incomplete, and illiteracy was so wide spread back then, that any form of traceable, written evidence is non-existent.

Even if an affluent “someone” wanted to lay a lineage link to some well-known ancient figure, he would almost certainly be making it up, much like Joseph Farrell.

If you’ve never heard of him, Farrell is almost as bad as Icke.

He too tries to link ancient civilization to modern day. According to Farrell, Fiat currency did not have its origins in 11th century China.

Not on your life – it actually began in ancient Babylon, under a fellow called Nimrod.

Farrell unsuccessfully tried to tie the Rockefellers and Rothschilds into this scheme as well. One piece of evidence he used was that the Rothschild’s had a descendant born in 1922 named Albert Anselm Salomon Nimrod Rothschild.

He conveniently forgets that Nimrod is an unconventional, but not uncommon name in the Semitic tradition.

Farrell also neglects to tell anyone that Albert died in 1938 at the age of 16. Inconvenient facts – but facts nonetheless.

Bringing Jews into the Conspiracy

It is in the discussion about Jews where Icke contributes a great deal of nonsense.

In Ronson’s “David Icke: The Reptiles and the Jews”, while Ronson believes Icke not to be anti-Semitic, he acknowledged that Icke’s belief also created problems with Jewish groups.

His references to 12 foot Lizards have been seen by many as a hidden dig at Jews, and his ringing endorsement of the fake “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” as the real hidden outline of the Illuminati is just plain silly and without any supporting evidence whatsoever.

Ryan Dube, editor at TopSecretWriters, has written at length about the Illuminati here at TSW, and has shown that the group, as described by Icke, has nothing in common with the real, historical record about the Illuminati.

Unoriginal Anti-Anti-Semitism

Louis Theroux wrote in his review of Ronson’s excellent work “Them: Adventures with Extremists”, how Icke’s theory and fake documents were nothing more than plagiarism of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”.

“Icke’s ‘theory’ is basically ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ with a new cast and a few script changes. While we are right to be on our guard against paranoid anti-Semitism, we should also be on our guard against the paranoid excesses of anti-anti-Semitism. Not only might it be unfair to Icke, but by implying that he is so dangerous that he has to be censored, the watchdogs are giving a patina of seriousness to ideas that are – let’s face it – very, very silly.”

I fully agree with Theroux and Ronson.

Yet Icke cannot see that by being filmed as he was by Ronson saying stuff like, “…the reptilians prefer eating Aryan babies”, that he was descending not only into a certain level of insanity, but he was also entering into a murky world of race and bogus culture.

For one, the blonde haired, blue-eyed concept of the Aryan people is total and complete gibberish.

Icke could not, and can not see that statements such as these are completely inflammatory, neigh incendiary.

If he ever wants to find what the real Aryan people were doing, Icke should grab an edition of Colin McEvedy’s brilliantly simple and well loved “Atlas of Ancient History” book, look at maps of the area around Iran and go East from there.

That’s where the real Aryans emerged from and went to.

Plagued With Racism

As discussed earlier, conspiravangelists like Icke are so riddled with dubious historical analysis that he has now been adopted by some extremely right wing groups who also suffer from reality issues.

No matter how Icke defends himself, the sad fact is that he has had some of his events and meetings attended and organized by noted racists.

Icke believes that these people have been sent to discredit him in the eyes of the world, and he is genuinely aghast at the popularity he has gained in extreme right wing circles.

However, a person in Icke’s position should have the foresight and knowledge to avoid any and all contact with such compromising characters ,and avoid writing and speaking the kind of gibberish that would attract their kind in the first place.


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Part VI – Bohemian Grove and Cathy OBrien

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Bohemian Grove is a favourite of all good conspirahypocrites and David Icke is no slouch, as you will see shortly.

He even has his own unique angle. The allure of male bonding shenanigans going down at the mysterious location known as Bohemian Grove makes for great copy.

Indeed, Alex Jones has made his name discussing the homosexual nature of the place. In fact, it is the homosexual angle and the ceremony that the conspirahypocrites really focus on, not the incompetence of the members themselves.

Claims of Satanic Ceremony and Ritual

Alex Shoumatoff of Vanity Fair wrote an excellent article in 2009, called the “Bohemian Tragedy”. It covered his investigations into illegal logging being conducted by the Grovers, and his failed attempts at gaining access to the cremation of care ceremony.

Indeed, the articles inspired by his foray makes for fascinating reading.

Icke and Jones often rabbit on about the occult sacredness of the Grove. Yet, based on Alex’s investigation, it is strikingly obvious that the Grovers themselves do not consider it to be sacred enough not to allow logging there.

Jones’ own reporter Kurt Nimmo mentions Shoumatoff’s arrest as well as the trees in his article “Vanity Fair Editor Arrested at Bohemian Grove”, published in July of 2008.

Yet in typical Jonesian style, Nimmo argues that the trees where being used to shield the very existence of Bohemian Grove and its nefarious activities…

“….which include worship of Luciferianism, the sacrifice of human effigies, arcane Druid ceremonies held before a large stone owl, mystery religion incantations, and other rituals, apparently including sodomy.”


It is ironic that even sodomy is bought up.

Cathy O’Brien and David Icke


Cathy O’Brien has long been one of David Icke’s great eyes and ears into the hidden world of the powerful. In this extract from Jon Ronson’s “Them Adventures with Extremists”, we can see the advice that Icke gave Ronson before his famous mission into Bohemian Grove:

“David Icke warned me against it. He said the reptilian bloodlines transform themselves back into giant lizards at Bohemian Grove. Furthermore, he said, Henry Kissinger, Jimmy Carter, Walter Cronkite and the male members of the British Royal family routinely sexually abuse their harem of kidnapped sex slaves – brainwashed through the MKULTRA trauma-based mind control program – at the Grove. I asked David how he knew this, and he explained that one of the sex slaves, a woman called Cathy O’Brien, escaped and wrote a chilling memoir about her experiences called the TranceFormation of America. ‘If you read Cathy O’Brien’s book,’ said David, ‘you’d know not to go anywhere near the place. People disappear in those forests.”

Jon Ronson and Alex Jones survived the encounter.

They also filmed the infamous “cremation of care” event and surprise, surprise, never saw anyone turn into giant lizards…

The problem is that Monarch is an extremely debatable program – not even Alex Jones touches her. Which is rather interesting, as Martin Cannon made the observation in the article “Project Monarch: The Tangled Web” that when she first came on the scene in 1996, she and her husband seemed to be testing the waters for a market to pitch her stories to:

“The couple describe World Vision as ‘Jesuit’ conspiratorial group intent on bringing about a socialistic, ‘New World Order.’ (World Vision is vile emphasized the ‘New World Order’ bugaboo and Mark takes pains to hide his atheism. Actually a conservative Protestant missionary group.) Ever since our intrepid anti-Monarch crusaders discovered that their primary audience leans far to the Right, they have and Mark takes pains to hide his atheism.”

Plenty of Book Sales With Icke’s Promotion


With Icke’s help, O’Brien and her husband are now through to the 14th printing of their book, and had another one called “Access Denied: For Reasons of National Security”, which came out in 2004.

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It was also the rather rabid followers of O’Briens, Icke and Makow (amongst other crazies) that led to one of the first genuinely critical researchers of the conspirahypocrite fraternity Martin Cannon to retire from the field as he stated in an email to Mark Pilkington in 2002.

“But perhaps the main reason I ‘had to let it go’ was the dawning realization that a lot of the folks I was talking to were simply nuts”

As it stands now, individuals like Icke, with a high public profile, were well positioned to take advantage of the Internet when it hit its stride in the early nineties.

Indeed, Icke and his followers’ use of the Internet meant that they and other conspiracy magnates could organise their minions and practice Scientology-like “fair game” tactics on critics.

Looking back, it is little wonder that rational individuals like Cannon often felt outnumbered. Should Cannon return today, they would likely find a lot more support in their critiques, as more and more people are growing tired of sensational public figures like Icke.

There have been some serious allegations of sexual and physical abuse by victims of MK-Ultra experiments. O’Brien, like Icke, deserves the utmost disdain for trivialising the plight of these individuals who are genuinely affected by a horrible experience.
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Re: The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

Postby Simulist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:53 pm

I am of the opinion that, whatever their own personal intentions may be, David Icke, Alex Jones, and Cathy O'Brien (and many, many more names than I care to dredge up right now) have been and are currently being used as poisoned flypaper.

These persons attract many individuals who are open-minded and often quite intelligent, and the ones who don't get stuck in any one of these sticky dens of disinformation (attached to these "celebrities") often become so sickened by the poison they're bound to ingest there, that their interest in the real stuff simply dies.

Which of course is the point.
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Postby undead » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:33 pm

These individuals have misappropriated their work and trivialised important findings.


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Re: The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:40 am

Denounces Icke as an anti-Semite, and claims Ronson has a theory that his mind was warped by drug use, I've repeatedly read that book and that isn't in there. I'm no fan of Icke or Jones, but this person is obviously either a liar or deluded. I'm no fan of Icke or Jones, but I'll take them over this one.
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Re: The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

Postby American Dream » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:02 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:Denounces Icke as an anti-Semite, and claims Ronson has a theory that his mind was warped by drug use, I've repeatedly read that book and that isn't in there. I'm no fan of Icke or Jones, but this person is obviously either a liar or deluded. I'm no fan of Icke or Jones, but I'll take them over this one.


I would personally say that Jon Ronson has a lot of problems because he uses valid critiques of conspiracy-mongers like Icke in order to discount conspiracy investigations more broadly. In particular, he makes MKULTRA type stuff seem pretty ridiculous by just focusing on the weirdest, sketchiest stuff in the Men Who Stare at Goats book.

That said, these critiques of David Icke are by no means unique to Seamus Coogan, the author of the articles presented here- and the critique is very important- especially where people are minimizing these problems, or even denying that they exist entirely.

If they do exist- and they certainly do- then they are very, very important...
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Postby Searcher08 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:42 am

How a really stupid writer who lacks critical thinking skills will attempt to do a hatchet job

Establish a context that makes you sound 'reasonable' to the reader
I was introduced to David Icke by my good friend Kris about 6 years ago. We were talking about covert political shenanigans, and she told me to check him out.

Kristen, a deeply intelligent, spiritual and open-minded person may not have known the impact of her words upon me.


Create an 'imagine my shock' frame...
I discovered to my amusement and dismay that alongside Alex Jones, Icke – an articulate, middle-aged fellow – is amongst the worlds elite “conspiracists”.

So without

Establish that YOU understood what he was about very quickly
He piqued my interest (negatively almost right away).

As well as a "critiquer" - look at MEE! Use diminutives 'guess', 'little'
This series of essays will serve as something of a study and critique of David Icke, and I guess as a little introduction to myself.

Establish impressive sounding but utterly vacuous credentials and place yourself within them
Thanks to the efforts of groups like TopSecretWriters, Consortium News, CTKA and Magonia Online (amongst others); there is an increasing number of researchers distancing themselves from “conspiracy theorists”.

Further divide the field and emphasize an "Us Vs Them" and how bad Them is.
These individuals have misappropriated their work and trivialised important findings. As the reader shall learn in Part II, while the “conspiracy theorist” label does sum up people like Icke, it is not a positive label by any means.

Now express 'righteous indignation' about been seen as one of 'Them'
In fact, it is a grossly inaccurate, limiting and frankly rather insulting title for those of us in what Greg Bishop calls the “Excluded Middle” and Len Osanic calls, “The Legion of Reason”.

Create a frame that people outside YOUR frame of "Us" are insane
Whatever one wants to call it, there is certainly a growing trend towards reclaiming sanity in a number of different and controversial areas of which, during the course of my writings with TopSecretWriters, I shall discuss.


Create a judgement from thin air
What’s so Bad About a Conspiracy Theory?

Show how "people can be misled"
President Nixon resigned amid one of the most public government conspiracies of all time.

Conspiracy means “to breathe together”.

If we put it that way conspiracy, like politics, is everywhere. Some of it is good, some of it is bad.

A bit of NLP here - establishing anchors between 'Them' and 'undemocratic stompers'
Conspiracy is “bad” when democratic principals are stomped on by powerful forces, and secrets are kept from the public.

Now state the obvious to ensure agreement - "lets face it, the sky is often blue"

Lets not deny it, conspiracies like this happen, and have happened for eons. However, we also need to face up to the fact that not everything is a conspiracy. Things can and do just happen.

And another thing we say Yes to... Ahh The "Yes set", so fondly employed by Blair, I bet there will be another one!
Furthermore, conspiracy, it seems, as an after thought or a by-product of complex societal and business structures enshrouded in government bureaucracy and intelligence fun and games.

and yes there is! but there will be a NO coming soon - I can feel it :)
We are also aware, that while intelligence agencies are most definitely involved in nefarious plots, they are also on record as inventing completely bogus conspiracies and promoting totally unimportant ones.

They are on the official record as having partaken in spreading all manner of disinformation.

Create a weasel word frame which sets you as an authority

Setting the Record Straight – A Terminology



Invent some words and reframe their harshness and sanctimoniousness as FAIR (as established by their inventor, you)
In my writings, the reader shall also hit upon the terms “conspirahypocrite” and “conspiravangelist” quite often.
Both terms seem rather harsh and a tad sanctimonious.
Yet, they are only reserved for those who truly earn them.


Assert that you are a researcher with no evidence, then engage in a false confession to establish your 'purity'
As a researcher, I have made mistakes, I have been misled and may well have held contradictory positions at certain times. That happens often in this field.

Assert that consistency and self-reflection are always good
Nevertheless, I have always tried to be consistent and self-reflective in my output, thus mistakes rarely happen twice.

Use unspecified and hypnotic language patterns - which researchers? which journalists? pretend to know everything? with the implication that the 'Them' do these things.
I also try my hardest not to let my own imagination run away with me. Researchers and journalists do not pretend to know everything about how the world is run or whom runs it.

Create the impression that you are an 'old hand' at this
There is an old adage, chucked around research circles – that being, “the more you learn, the less you know.”

Create a frame that it is my very honour and duty as a member of the (purely self-asserted LOL) Elite, to do this
Most importantly we have a responsibility to give you, the reader, as accurate an analysis as possible. Hence, I do not see it as my divine right to “tell” anybody anything. I see it as a tremendous privilege as being viewed as worthy of such platforms as CTKA and TSW.



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Re: The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

Postby American Dream » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:48 am

Searcher and Stephen-

I'm concerned that both of you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the living room- that it, that both David Icke and Alex Jones do have deep, deep problems...
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Postby Searcher08 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:56 am

American Dream wrote:Searcher and Stephen-

I'm concerned that both of you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the living room- that it, that both David Icke and Alex Jones do have deep, deep problems...


I am more concerned that you are ignoring the 'Whale in the Room' and pointing at an elephant

the 'Whale' is that you seem to think this is a well thought out critique?
Why do you think that? Let's start with Part 1 first.
Why do you think Part 1 represents good thinking? What is your evidence for it?

Does Part 1 represent what you call 'critical thinking'?
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Postby Searcher08 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:59 am

Criticisms (of The Excluded Middle)

Mathematicians such as L. E. J. Brouwer and Arend Heyting contested the usefulness of the law of excluded middle in the context of the modern mathematics [8]

Stéphane Lupasco (1900-1988) has also substantiated the logic of the included middle, showing that it constitutes "a true logic, mathematically formalized, multivalent (with three values: A, non-A, and T) and non-contradictory" [9]. Quantum mechanics is said to be an exemplar of this logic, through the superposition of "yes" and "no" quantum states; the included middle is also mentioned as one of the three axioms of transdisciplinarity, without which reality cannot be understood [10].
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Re: The Excluded Middle – The Legion of Reason & Researchers

Postby American Dream » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:05 am

Searcher08 wrote:
American Dream wrote:Searcher and Stephen-

I'm concerned that both of you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the living room- that it, that both David Icke and Alex Jones do have deep, deep problems...


I am more concerned that you are ignoring the 'Whale in the Room' and pointing at an elephant

the 'Whale' is that you seem to think this is a well thought out critique?
Why do you think that? Let's start with Part 1 first.
Why do you think Part 1 represents good thinking? What is your evidence for it?

Does Part 1 represent what you call 'critical thinking'?


Searcher, you haven't really responded to my point to you regarding Icke and Jones, so I'm going to let it go at that.
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Postby Searcher08 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:13 am

That is a very long article - I am quite happy to start going through it.

It took me half an hour to work my way through Part 1 - It's not very gracious to ignore all my points. If you show the courtesy of responding to what I raised, I shall continue working through the series with you.
There - a public commitment. :)
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Postby American Dream » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:27 am

Searcher08 wrote:That is a very long article - I am quite happy to start going through it.

It took me half an hour to work my way through Part 1 - It's not very gracious to ignore all my points. If you show the courtesy of responding to what I raised, I shall continue working through the series with you.
There - a public commitment. :)


Searcher, your "points" were based on putting a lot of words in my mouth which I didn't say.

It would be great if you did make a clear statement of your position regarding Icke and Jones- which parts of their work you do support, which parts you definitely don't, that sort of thing- but if you do it, do it because you want to, not for me, because I'm not interested in going any further down this road...
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:40 am

American Dream wrote:Searcher and Stephen-

I'm concerned that both of you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the living room- that it, that both David Icke and Alex Jones do have deep, deep problems...

I am concerned that you seem to be missing the mastodon on the mantlepiece, that this article has even deeper problems.
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Postby Searcher08 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:42 am

Re-establish bivalent 'Us vs Them' frame
Lead with invented vocabulary headline
Start with visual image linked to quote



Part II: Conspirahypocrites, Conspiravangelism & Commentators

Image <of David Icke>

“They just can’t help themselves when they get excited.”
- Mark Pilkington. ‘Ere be Dragons’; 1998.



Begin to anchor the reader as part of "Us"
Let us contrast the researcher with the ‘conspirahypocrite’.

Re-assert <invented set> are insane
In my view, conspirahypocrites are the resident sociopaths of the culture. As said, they are also the ones I associate most heavily with being ‘conspiracy theorists’.

Create weasel worded assertion. Well moderated by whom? Who decides what well moderated is? and Which individuals in particular?
These individuals are rarely, if ever wrong, yet they often refuse to enter into well-moderated public debate.

Generalise generalise generalise
And when they do defend their arguments, it is usually with the same lies they told in the first place.

Re-assert that imagination is something that needs to be conquered, is subservient to reason.
Go Meta - "If only they knew!" device

Occasionally, their rhetoric includes the great caveat that their assessor is actually a ‘CIA plant’. The irony being that, in their tirades, they often unwittingly pump disinformation from the gods of Langley.
Thus, their imaginations conquer reason.

Get more detailed about identifying them. Create unconscious paranoia.
Some are quieter and less obvious than others. Indeed, these individuals may well disagree with known conspirahypocrites, passing themselves off as researchers. Do not be fooled.

Re-establish ones previous 'credentials'; use a layering technique to create doubt
Though capable of
seemingly passable work, if one
scratches the surface,
examines the scenery and
asks the hard questions,

then the emotional kicker :) How did I know THAT was coming LOL
these individuals are often no less rabid at the altar of conspiravangelism.

Now for guilt by association - voila!
Kenn Thomas and Richard Dolan are classic cases of this dilemma.


David Icke and Alex Jones

State a fact
David Icke often makes the point that it’s fine if people don’t agree with him. Alex Jones makes the same claim.

Dont establish how a claim can be at odds with a sales pitch, just assert it can
Yet, this modest public persona is very much at odds with both men’s sales pitches, and the amount of merchandise that you can find on their websites.

Conflate the seller's information with Google Ads or personal recommendations and link to ...Quacks!
Truth can be ‘purchased’ via books, DVD’s, tickets to public appearances, faith healers, gold sellers – the whole lot.


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Postby Searcher08 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:55 am

American Dream wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:That is a very long article - I am quite happy to start going through it.

It took me half an hour to work my way through Part 1 - It's not very gracious to ignore all my points. If you show the courtesy of responding to what I raised, I shall continue working through the series with you.
There - a public commitment. :)


Searcher, your "points" were based on putting a lot of words in my mouth which I didn't say.

It would be great if you did make a clear statement of your position regarding Icke and Jones- which parts of their work you do support, which parts you definitely don't, that sort of thing- but if you do it, do it because you want to, not for me, because I'm not interested in going any further down this road...


I think you are misunderstanding my responses - they are directed at the article, not personally at you, A_D - I'm not sure how much of the series you agree with or why.

I'm uncertain what 'this road' is - we have often talked about Icke in the past - however in this thread I am responding to the posted series of articles, which I have huge problems with (so far) and I'm wondering if you do or not, as I am unsure if you do or not.

So far, If this article had Icke and Jones "find and replaced" with Zizek and Wells, it would have sounded "straight outta JREF".
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