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justdrew wrote:maybe you should take a little break, you sound tired.
justdrew wrote:ok, I just found it a little odd bringing up such a personally painful subject for a member, but I could be wrong.U.S. Gun Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 1,280
Posted: 02/01/2013 8:21 pm EST | Updated: 02/03/2013 3:32 pm EST
Iamwhomiam wrote:Thank you, justdrew. Fourth Base did ask me if it would be ok with me to post this thread and I gave him my blessing. I don't mind if folk want to revisit this incident. It is quite the puzzling curiosity.
Perhaps no one's wanted to discuss this event for fear of offending me in some way, I don't know. Or offending another? It really doesn't matter all that much to me. It was a blessing the murderer committed suicide saving us all from living our lives scorn-filled and vengeful. And there are a very many unanswered questions.
It is out of the news cycle, though FourthBase,
justdrew wrote:here's an article from 2008 I don't remember seeing before...
http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=650
FourthBase wrote:justdrew wrote:here's an article from 2008 I don't remember seeing before...
http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=650
I'd need a postmodernist academic to translate about 25% of that. The number of people in the world who could understand that essay fully must only number in the hundreds. As it is, I am both 1) intrigued by the analysis I was able to comprehend and 2) severely discomfited by the treatment of Huff as an unwitting artist or whatever. Also, there were a couple points at which I thought, "Nietzsche did not mean what this guy thinks he meant...in fact, he meant the opposite", but that's par for the course with postmodern citations of Nietzsche. The essay on the whole was devoid of anything that might resemble compassion and sorrow for anyone except, perversely, Huff. For that reason, I strongly recommend that anyone personally connected to the event not read that essay, unless one can muster the emotional distance to withstand it.
"The most important thing I want to stress is that he had to be influenced by somebody — or something else — or have had something huge happen in his life," Legris said.
Two years later, the twins still were living in Whitefish when tragedy rocked the community.
Jared Hope, a high-school friend of the twins, killed his parents and shot himself on a weekend visit home from Missoula.
According to Ciaramitaro, the Huff brothers had been out drinking with Hope the night that the murders and suicide occurred. Hope had long struggled with mental illness that was well known among friends. And the twins told Ciaramitaro that they were uneasy with Hope's behavior that night.
Cassidy said Kyle and Kane Huff returned to Whitefish in 2002 to attend the funeral of Jared Hope, a high-school classmate who killed his parents and himself with an illegally purchased .357-caliber Magnum revolver. The killings startled the town, which rarely has a murder, and nearly 1,000 people attended the service.
Tests to determine whether Huff had taken drugs before the killings are at least two weeks away. But at least one local teen who ran into Huff at a St. Patrick's Day rave said it appeared he took drugs then.
Jolene Padgett, 17, of Snohomish said Huff seemed incapacitated. "I'm surprised he didn't end up in the hospital."
Huff was "quick to anger," said James Winn, a 20-year-old rave promoter in Seattle, who used to hang out with Huff and his brother near their Montana home, and also knew some of the victims.
Before he killed six people and then himself in Seattle's second-worst mass murder Saturday, Huff and his brother also tangled with local skinheads, according to a police report.
"On a rare occasion, someone would try to pick a fight with one of the big brothers. If that happened, it was Kane — not Kyle — who was more likely to throw down.
"When Kyle got into a fight, it was almost always to end the fight," Ciaramitaro said. "He never took a swing."
Kyle would talk the aggressor down. Sometimes, he'd wrap a bear-hug around some guy who wanted to step outside. As often as not, they'd end up becoming friends, Ciaramitaro said.
But Mike doesn't see the Huffs as gentle giants. The 39-year-old Seattle man traded blows with the twins in the 2004 bar brawl.
Always arriving and leaving together, the brothers often drank at the Lobo Saloon in Eastlake. Mike and his friends, a group he described as non-racist skinheads, were also regulars.
"We were into punk music and getting rowdy, but we aren't racists," Mike said. "We fought with racist skinheads."
On the evening of May 14, 2004, Mike and his friends were enjoying a favorite band, "Butcher," when one of the Huffs and one of Mike's out-of-town buddies started jawing at each other. Mike said he tried to calm the situation down and told Huff to stop talking to his friends.
"I tried to give him a friendly warning," he said.
Huff, Mike said, responded by saying, "I can talk to anyone. ... I'm not afraid of you."
The fight was on, quickly spilling outside the bar. Mike said Kyle threw him to the ground and punched him, breaking two ribs. The other Huff and the rest of the friends joined in.
"It was huge," he said. "Mayhem."
Both brothers were treated for cuts and bruises, according to the police report.
Asked by police how the fight began, Kane (Victim 1) "said he made a comment to one of the suspects in the 'mosh pit,' and apparently people took offense to the comment. Victim 1 told me he could not remember what the comment was."
Mike recalled that the brothers knew how to fight but they were badly outnumbered. In the report, the brothers said they were "jumped."
Both sides fueled the confrontation, Mike said, but his group finished it.
A neighbor looked out her window and saw Huff bend over to write "NOW" on the sidewalk. He would write the same cryptic message twice more before ditching the spray paint...
Kyle did not excel academically, spelled poorly, but was considered studious.
Was fined $530 with $350 suspended, and ordered to perform 50 hours of community service—partly served aiding Salvation Army.
Our aim is to accurately portray Kyle’s emotional downfall. This tragedy must no longer be regarded simply as a mystery as was so often portrayed in the popular media.
It is important to understand Kyle Huff and the emotional well that ran so deep he was willing die in order to murder half a dozen others.
Kyle said, “This is my art”
Michael Hough on August 8, 2012 - 11:18 pm said:
They think they know everything about him but they dont, I am related to him by blood. His father is my grandfather who left my grandmother when she was just in her twenties, a japanese american who couldnt speak a lick of english. His dad was a peice of garbage who abandoned my dad and aunt, and left to eventually have Kyle and his brother. My condolences go out to the victims of the massacre, and Kyle because something in his life triggered him to mak this decision, he is human like us all.
Michael Hough
p.s. the last names are spelled differently because his mother changed their names after she and their dad split. It was originally Hough.
Willis Hough was a Vietnam veteran who suffered from "emotional difficulties" from the war, said Danny Ciaramitaro, 29, a longtime and close friend of the twins. At the time of the divorce, Hough was working as a seasonal maintenance mechanic at nearby Glacier National Park.
5458 Holly Springs Drive
Houston, TX 77056
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Owner: WILLIS HOUGH
Land value: $1,029,223
Building value: $100
Total value for property: $1,029,323
Assessments for tax year: 2009
Prior land value: $1,029,223
Prior building value: $100
Prior total value for property: $1,029,323
Building area: 2,910 square feet
Land size: 19,608 square feet
State classification: Real, Residential, Single-Family
Neighborhood: Tanglwood
Year property was built: 1955
Condition / Desirability / Utility: Good
Cost and design: Economic misimprovement
Exterior wall: Brick / Veneer
Foundation type: Slab
Grade adjustment: B+
Heating / AC: Central Heat/AC
Physical condition: Average
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