Why Eckhart Tolle’s Evolutionary Activism Won’t Save Us

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Why Eckhart Tolle’s Evolutionary Activism Won’t Save Us

Postby American Dream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:28 am

Why Eckhart Tolle’s Evolutionary Activism Won’t Save Us

by Be Scofield

Eckhart Tolle’s books The Power of Now and A New Earth have not only sold millions of copies and been translated into dozens of languages but they’ve earned him the title “the most popular spiritual author in the [United States]” by The New York Times. He’s gained worldwide popularity amongst the masses and widespread admiration from movie stars, celebrities and famous musicians. Annie Lennox of the Eurhythmics said that he “has some kind of special quality that I’ve never seen before.” One student of his work asked in an online forum, “has he appeared in your dreams as well?” Oprah included The Power of Now in her 2000 book club, helping to launch it to the number one spot on the NYT book list a few years later. They also teamed up in 2008 to produce a 10-week webinar on the teachings of A New Earth. Millions of people from around the world tuned in for this first of its kind techno-spiritual phenomenon. Never before was so much wisdom instantly accessible and easily understood.”

Given the central role Tolle plays in modern spiritual thinking, his ideas have world-wide implications. He is one of many modern day teachers who emphasizes internal transformation as the central most important part of global transformation. As a result he makes quite exaggerated statements about the relationship between a privatized psychological shift and the larger transformation of the planet. His solutions are simplistic and border on irresponsible, especially when so much is at stake. Understanding the details of his spiritual framework and how his personal experience of transformation influenced it sheds light into Tolle’s thinking.


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Awakening

Tolle’s framework and approach are shaped by a profound awakening experience he had when in his early twenties. After this powerful inner shift Tolle claims to have lived in a “state of uninterrupted deep peace and bliss” for around five months. He studied spiritual texts, worked with teachers and eventually spent two years in a state of profound joy while sitting on park benches. He was realizing that his shift in thinking had peeled back the layers to reveal the “ever-present ‘I am’: consciousness in its pure state prior to identification with form.” Tolle had discovered something of immense value and was now ready to share it with the world.

Tolle’s Vision of Social Change

Given the profound nature of Tolle’s personal awakening and the incredible sense of peace and joy that he felt one can see why he makes a direct link between his own private experience and social transformation. Indeed, if there is a defining theme in his work it is just that: internal spiritual transformation leads to a better, more peaceful and just world. More so, Tolle identifies a shift in the inner world as the only significant factor in social change.

The primary factor in creation is consciousness. No matter how active we are, how much effort we make, our state of consciousness creates our world, and if there is no change on the inner level, no amount of action will make any difference. We would only re-create modified versions of the same world again and again, a world that is an external reflection of the ego.

This line of thinking is problematic. For example if someone were organizing to change the racist institutional structures in society but yet hadn’t changed on the “inner level” Tolle is stating that their work would be futile. Of course people with lots of inner baggage contribute immensely to the transformation of the world and similarly, those who have done years of therapy, are deeply in love with healthy families are responsible for supporting some of the most harmful policies. He proposes that once people awaken to the deepest experience of Being the world will somehow drastically change.

We are not separate from our world, so when the majority of humans become free of egoic delusion, this inner change will affect all of creation. You will literally inhabit a new world. It is a shift in planetary consciousness.

We first need to ask, when one becomes free of egoic delusion what will their positions be on abortion, health care or foreign policy? Won’t this “new world” merely reflect the views of those who describe it, like Tolle? Egoic delusion is vague and it’s unclear what this means in the context of social transformation. In an interview Tolle admits to have $4 million dollars just sitting in the bank. What is the best “ego-free” use of that money? Becoming free of egoic delusion does nothing to provide answers to the most complex moral questions we face. Thus, it is inaccurate to suggest that once we are all free of ego we will inhabit a new world. In order to believe Tolle, you have to think that anyone who “awakens” will necessarily share the exact same social, political and cultural ideology. Secondly, forget about ethical systems, community, protesting or frameworks for engaging with others, everything one needs to play his or her part in the creation of a new world can be found within. He states, “The light of consciousness is all that is necessary. You are that light.” Global transformation has never been easier.

See more at: http://www.decolonizingyoga.com/why-eck ... t-save-us/
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Re: Why Eckhart Tolle’s Evolutionary Activism Won’t Save Us

Postby slimmouse » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:59 am

"Once we understand who and what we really are, then everyone elses suffering becomes our own suffering., be that simply on the base physical level, or any higher emotional and spiritual level."

ON edit. This isn't a qoute from Tolle. Ive never read anything he's personally written myself.
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Re: Why Eckhart Tolle’s Evolutionary Activism Won’t Save Us

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:45 am

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in the beginning we are this
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in the end we are this
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NOTHING I will repeat NOTHING will save us from our own dust

We live.... we die....our spirit moves on without the encumbrance of a body and the evil reaches of some humans that are not human

no one leaves this planet with their human body....the body dies....the spirit lives


however one chooses to live their lives is up to them....not you.... quit trying to tell the rest of RI and readers of RI what path to take...which one is evil which one is worthy of ridicule according to YOU... I find it personally offensive that you think you know what is best for the rest of us. Please get off your "I'm trying to save you from yourselves" routine...it's really getting old...we really can think for ourselves...we're kinda smart that way and way beyond the kindergarten class you think you're holding here


oh and before I am labeled an Eckhart Tolle groupie

I do not now or ever have endorsed Eckhart Tolle
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:11 am

word, slad.
Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own.-- Jonathan Swift

When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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Re: Why Eckhart Tolle’s Evolutionary Activism Won’t Save Us

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:22 am

I've talked to a lot of folks here in the Burlington area who subscribe to Tolle's vision and I am very uncharitable with them. I see it as "2012 Without a Deadline" -- there is just no precedent for mass consciousness change.

They also don't help their case by bringing up "well, it's the 100th monkey theory." Ah yes, you mean another testament to the apparently infinite survivability of horseshit?

I don't know if his thesis really deserved an essay debunking it. It's that weak. His "pain body" thesis is quite interesting, but basically Theosophy compared to someone like Gabor Mate, who is prepared to drill down into details, speaks from vast experience, and understands the science behind what he's talking about.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:34 am

AD, hope you don't mind me asking, but where do you stand with regards to Tolle? It isn't immediately obvious from the OP whether you admire or admonish him. Anyone else feel free to step in and put me straight if I'm being stupid asking this question.
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Postby slimmouse » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:39 am

My problem with the article, is that it somehow assumes that such Tollian realisation will result in people suddenly abrogating their own personal very physical and down to earth responsibilites as 'simply sovereign human beings'.

Personally I dont find that line of reasoning very solid at all..

In fact, I would go a long way as to suggesting that it's the opposite.

Since I honestly haven't read any Tolle, I wouldnt know if he alludes to any of this in his work.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:42 am

Tolle's argument is that the more people attain the kind of bliss that had him, you know....sitting around on park benches feeling good about himself....it will become contagious as it gets normalized.

I have read two of his books and there is no grounding in activism, identifying and shaming evil, the fight against cultural relics from feudalism, etc. It really does boil down to the 100th monkey theory. He's very critique-able because it's really just Esalen all over again: "Hey, never mind these angry OCCUPY cats, man, that's not a good scene, all that conflict - just focus on yourself and THAT will result in an even bigger change."

Anyways, 100th Monkey Theory has seen two big tests: Catholics and Islam. Neither indicated the theory has any validity.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:46 am

whatever humanity need myths

MYTHS ARE CLUES





Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby American Dream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:50 am

coffin_dodger » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:34 am wrote:AD, hope you don't mind me asking, but where do you stand with regards to Tolle? It isn't immediately obvious from the OP whether you admire or admonish him. Anyone else feel free to step in and put me straight if I'm being stupid asking this question.


I don't admire Tolle and think he embodies a lot of the problems of the New Age Movement. I'm closer to the critique offered by Be Scofeld than to Tolle, by far...
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:53 am

he embodies a lot of the problems of the New Age MovemenT


.....and those problems have led to WHAT?

Are you suggesting that we are all being spied on because of "new agers"?

are they the problem here and not Dickhead Cheney?
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Postby slimmouse » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:54 am

Wombaticus Rex » 23 Jun 2013 15:42 wrote:Tolle's argument is that the more people attain the kind of bliss that had him, you know....sitting around on park benches feeling good about himself....it will become contagious as it gets normalized.

I have read two of his books and there is no grounding in activism, identifying and shaming evil, the fight against cultural relics from feudalism, etc. It really does boil down to the 100th monkey theory. He's very critique-able because it's really just Esalen all over again: "Hey, never mind these angry OCCUPY cats, man, that's not a good scene, all that conflict - just focus on yourself and THAT will result in an even bigger change."

Anyways, 100th Monkey Theory has seen two big tests: Catholics and Islam. Neither indicated the theory has any validity.


In that case, I fully understand your responses to your "Tollian" friends.

Tolle has like them, clearly missed an important trick here.

I also think its pretty clear that the latest thinking in paraculture( on the whole) see's the show a whole lot differently.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:56 am

Thanks AD for a swift reply.

Blimey, every time I go to ask Wombat a question using his quoted words, they've changed.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:59 am

SLAD: Let's recap your contributions to this thread:

1) First, you dismissed the OP on the basis that we're all going to die - this is true.

2) Second, you apparently defended Tolle on the notion that "whatever, humans need myths" - also true.

3) Third, you dismissed AD's comments, and by implication the OP, because Tolle is "not as bad" as Dick Cheney.

I would really like to see you contributing to the topic instead of obfuscating and dismissing. If it's not important, don't respond to it: there's plenty more threads here.

I would like it if we *all* could refrain from Youtube spamming threads with irrelevant content, because you're upping the costs of hosting this thread for our hosts. I don't pay for this site. Someone else does.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:03 pm

fine I will leave this thread now and not reply any more...I understand completely all the mods opinion on this issue...if I have anything else to say I will start a new thread

spamming with vids....are you kidding me? who's paying for this? and do you care?

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