American Sniper...more like American Diaper

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American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:37 pm

The words shit, poop and crap come to mind when I see the buzz around American Sniper, or what I'm calling American Diaper. As Obama seems to be pushed into getting us back into Iraq, here are the moments
that brought about this mess...the lies that catapulted the 2003 Iraq invasion.

And it has been rather depressing seeing American Sniper not just the #1 movie and ranking in so much money, but the complete gross re-vision of history and the blind celebration of a racist mass murderer into some sort of "real man patriot".

This Chris Kyle guy not only bragged about how many "savages" he killed in Iraq(he mostly refers to Iraqis as savages) but in his book he actually has to invent stories of him killing dozens of black people. Some of them he fantasizes are "carjackers", others being "looters" in hurricane flood ravaged Katrina. As well as claiming to punch Jesse Venture for his anti war/9-11 conspiracy beliefs.
http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/tru ... chris-kyle

I can't ever recall in modern American cinema a film so brazen in it's propaganda value. Not even Black Hawk Down or Zero Dark Thirty. I don't think it occurs to both the public seeing this film nor the mass media talking heads
that essentially we have a movie making a hero out of someone sent to a completely lie based war who himself held very despicable views on people different from them. How is being a sniper heroic in the first place?

http://www.thewrap.com/american-sniper- ... -a-killer/

‘American Sniper’ Complaints Grow in Hollywood: Should Clint Eastwood Be Celebrating a ‘Killer’?

In the wake of Oscar nominations, Academy members begin buzzing over recent criticism of the film’s subject, Chris Kyle

Even as “American Sniper” breaks January box-office records and revels in six Oscar nominations, criticism over the subject of the film, sharpshooter Chris Kyle, is rising and reaching into the Academy of Motion Picture of Arts and Sciences, which votes on the Academy Awards.

Over the weekend, multiple Academy members told TheWrap that they had been passing around a recent article by Dennis Jett in The New Republic that attacks the film for making a hero out of Kyle, who said: “The enemy are savages and despicably evil,” and his “only regret is that I didn’t kill more.” Kyle made the statements in his best-selling book, “American Sniper,” on which the film is based.

The film’s straightforward treatment of Kyle, who was killed in February 2013 by a veteran suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, is one of the reasons it has been celebrated by the military and embraced by audiences that have made it by far the top-grossing Best Picture nominee. The film had a massive opening when it went wide at the box office this weekend and is poised to break an historic $100 million this holiday weekend.

Also read: ‘American Sniper': 5 Reasons for Historic Breakout at Box Office

But Academy members seem to be paying attention to the criticism that Eastwood and star/producer Bradley Cooper shouldn’t be celebrating a man who wrote that killing hundreds of Iraqis was “fun.”

“He seems like he may be a sociopath,”
one Academy member told TheWrap, adding he had not yet seen the film but had read the article, which is being passed around.

Michael Moore, an Oscar voter and former Academy governor from the Documentary Branch, tweeted an anti-sniper comment on Sunday — “My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards … Snipers aren’t heroes … ” — but said it wasn’t about “American Sniper.” On Facebook, he later praised Cooper’s performance but lamented that Eastwood “gets Vietnam and Iraq confused in his storytelling.”

Neither distributor Warner Bros. nor the filmmakers have responded to TheWrap’s request for comment, though the studio said they intended to make someone available.

A piece in The Guardian by author Lindy West criticized Kyle this way: “The real American Sniper was a hate-filled killer. Why are simplistic patriots treating him as a hero?”

Jett quoted West in his piece in the New Republic, and added: “One answer to that question: Because many Americans are unable to accept that nothing was won in Iraq, and that the sacrifices Kyle and others made were not worth it.”

See video: Bradley Cooper Contemplates Killing a Kid in First ‘American Sniper’ Trailer

The criticism of “American Sniper” is not the first controversy over fact-based movies this Oscar season. Numerous historians, and now Maureen Dowd in The New York Times, have criticized another Best Picture nominee, “Selma,” for distorting President Lyndon B. Johnson’s record on the Voting Rights Act.

Meanwhile, the New Republic’s Jett has taken criticism for criticizing “Sniper” before seeing the film. “I have not seen ‘American Sniper,’” he wrote. “But if the trailer is any indication, Eastwood’s film, like ‘Zero Dark Thirty,’ tries to make a straightforward situation more complex than it is.”

Jett quickly attracted scorn for dismissing a film he hadn’t seen. The Washington Free Beacon called his story “amazingly dumb” and “idiotic tripe,” while Dissolve editor Scott Tobias tweeted, “I make no great claims as an editor, but if you send me a thinkpiece on a movie and you haven’t seen the movie, it goes back for revision.”

But Jett’s piece does get to the heart of complaints about “American Sniper,” which are significantly different from the ones leveled at “Selma.” The latter film has been attacked for distorting real events; the former is attacked for having as its hero an unrepentant killer who bragged about seeing all Iraqis as “savages,” and also made some unverifiable claims that aren’t included in his book, including being recruited by the government to shoot looters from the roof of the Superdome in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Kyle was also sued by Jesse Ventura over a claim he made in his book that he decked Ventura – who Kyle didn’t identify by name in the book, but did in interviews afterwards – in a bar after the vet-turned-politician spewed anti-American sentiment. Ventura said it never happened and won the case.

See photos: 19 Biggest Snubs and Surprises: Oscars 2015 (Photos)_

Complaints that Kyle may have lied about his activities, and that he was too enthusiastic a killer, have been around since the publication of the book. But the success of the film both with Academy voters and now with the public has ramped up the criticism, even as it has brought out staunch supporters of Kyle’s.

In the Guardian piece, West wrote of the film, “If [Eastwood], intentionally or not, makes a hero out of Kyle – who, bare minimum, was a racist who took pleasure in dehumanizing and killing brown people – is he responsible for validating racism, murder, and dehumanization?”

But relying exclusively on Kyle’s viewpoint is not a weakness of the movie, wrote veteran Paul Rieckhoff in a Variety piece. He called the film “the single best work of film about the Iraq War ever made,” said Kyle was a “real-life super hero” and then admitted, “‘American Sniper’ does not … much address the overall complexity of the larger political issues surrounding the war — or the complexity of the Iraqi side of the experience. And that’s OK. Kyle, much like many I served with, and our president himself during most of the Iraq War, held a very black-and-white view of the conflict. We were right, they were wrong …

“It was not the war I saw during my time as an infantry platoon leader in Baghdad, and not the war many others saw overflowing with spectrums of gray. But it was the war Chris Kyle and many others saw. This is a real and important perspective that must be explored and showcased in order to truly understand the broader American experience of the Iraq War.”

Also read: ‘American Sniper’ Reviews: Academy Praises Bradley Cooper, But Do Critics Think He Hit the Mark?

In The Intercept, though, Peter Maass suggested that being true to one man’s experience is not enough. “There’s a dilemma at work: a war movie that is true of one American’s experience can be utterly false to the experience of millions of Iraqis and to the historical record,” he wrote. “Further, it’s no act of patriotism to celebrate, without context or discussion, a grunt’s view that the people killed in Iraq were animals deserving their six-feet-under fate.”

For audiences, the complaints hardly matter, as tweets like this one from military wife Holly Fisher attest: “#AmericanSniper‪ on 3 screens in my hometown tonight; all sold out. Ignorant reviews from whiny, ungrateful Hollywood libs are meaningless.”

But the way in which the film has been celebrated, and the spread of naysayers, could have an impact. As Grantland’s Mark Harris tweeted, “’American Sniper’s’ huge opening being touted as a triumph for conservatives is, I think, where its Oscar story ends.”
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:02 pm

Dont worry too much 8bit, my son and my daughter both went with their seperate groups of friends-the girls group completely recognized it as pro war propaganda and the boys group saw it as somewhat anti war due to the emphasis of ptsd towards the end. And while both groups felt the rah-rah moments, most all of them came away realizing war is hell. This from highschool kids gives me hope. :sun:
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Nordic » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:10 am

What's disturbing to me is the way that a certain percentage of the American population see this psychopath as not just a hero but someone worthy of religious veneration. He is worshipped. Like a god. It's creepy. These people actually want to hurt and rape anyone who criticizes Kyle.

The so-called Christian Right nut jobs see him as a pure warrior martyred in his quest to help other veterans not as perfect as he. As in they felt bad about it.

I saw this on FB when the book went out. I have a lot of acquaintances and people I sometimes work with who are avid right wingers and gun nuts and their veneration of the military is downright religious in nature.

As someone who grew up in the military I can tell them that it's anything but. It's a bureaucracy that kills people and destroys shit. Imagine the DMV with guns and bombs and jets.

These people are so woefully brainwashed and Chris Kyle is very close to their messiah.
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Nordic » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:24 am

http://carryingthegun.com/2013/05/13/ar ... med-kills/

Army Myths: Confirmed kills
May 13, 2013 Don
Confirmed Kill

I’ve checked and double checked my ERB and ORB. There is no category to record my “confirmed kills.”

The term “confirmed kill” gets thrown around a lot, especially in sniper circles. The whole idea of a “confirmed” kill suggests there is some process or that there is a forensics team that descends on a body after a shot was fired to confirm unequivocally who gets credit.

That doesn't happen.

As far as I understand, there is no way of keeping track of individual kills. Individual soldiers may ‘confirm’ to themselves that they are responsible for a kill – but there is no official way of tracking that, no process. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some award citations out there where you might find the term ‘confirmed kill,’ but that is a reflection on how pervasive the term has become, not an indication of an official policy or process.

Hollywood and the media have latched onto the idea of the “confirmed kill” and use it as a way of displaying the individual skill and prowess of a soldier – usually a sniper. Journalists have no problem throwing the term around without checking to see what the term means or how a confirm kill is actually confirmed, often taking military folk at their word.

So if someone tells you they racked up X amount of “confirmed kills” you can blow them off. Or better, ask them how those kills were confirmed and who confirmed them. If he (or she) says that they did it themselves, you can nod and smile at them. Then walk away.
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:26 am

I don't see much of that round here(liberal town in upstate NY) Nordic but I have read of it and know it exists. Hopefully Jesse Ventura winning his lawsuit will put a dent into their way of thinking, and my concerns are more toward how the younger generation sees things. But you are right, that sick martyrdom exists and it is scary.
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:41 am

What doesn't give me hope is that a bunch of people jumped at the chance to see it, just to see their nascent fantasies of cruelty on the silver screen. How the fuck did this film not get hacked with this ragtag group dead set on liberating the middle east with profound video and production capabilities?
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:25 am

I think most people jumped to see it 82_28 because of Bradley Cooper, he has gotten quite popular, seems to be a really nice guy and this a role you sorta would not have expected of him. And as far as acting is concerned, apparently he does a wonderful job.
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby MayDay » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:12 am

I am so proud to be a white American male right now. We're obviously winning. The rest of you, just wait till we come a'snipin round your corner of the world. Bang!
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby MayDay » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:21 am

Really, though. I just discovered ate8tchan yesterday (so bad I'm scared to spell it right in case they notice). Now I want to learn how to hack. And Kung Fu. At least. I seriously haven't ever been this angry at any group before. Their only goal is to fuck with the lives of those who give a fuck. To knock down those who stand up for the weak and oppressed. WTF!!!????
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Nordic » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:48 am





That's great! Do you know where that is? Looks like it could be LA.
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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:04 am

Burnt Hill » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:25 pm wrote:I think most people jumped to see it 82_28 because of Bradley Cooper, he has gotten quite popular, seems to be a really nice guy and this a role you sorta would not have expected of him. And as far as acting is concerned, apparently he does a wonderful job.


Honest to goodness, I don't know who the fuck Bradley Cooper is.

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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:44 am

For 8bit.


An American Diaper gets nominated
The lead has fine acting
though the story is like the Iraqis
truth gotten deeply decimated
Back in the day when Oscars
were about dance routines
and Fred and Ginger
trip the light fantastic
on the great silver screen
and now it's Wag the Dog
meets Reality TV
who needs PsyOps when the
people want poison
we just need Cowell
to orchestrate
American Killers Got Talent
with lifeless packaging
gift wrapped by Kardashians
like the decline of Rome or the Inca or Aztec too
Empires rise different
but collapse holds the same view
and some days I'm just holding on
to the antenna at the top of
World Trade Centre One
in slow-mo descent
like Threads dissipation
surfing the coming wave of
our snivilisation



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Re: American Sniper...more like American Diaper

Postby Laodicean » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:59 am

82_28 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:04 am wrote:
Burnt Hill » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:25 pm wrote:I think most people jumped to see it 82_28 because of Bradley Cooper, he has gotten quite popular, seems to be a really nice guy and this a role you sorta would not have expected of him. And as far as acting is concerned, apparently he does a wonderful job.


Honest to goodness, I don't know who the fuck Bradley Cooper is.

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