The Force of Modifying Behavior

[82_28]

I recently have come up against some neighbors who are bitching about me smoking over a group email CC thing. I have totally cut way down by the way. However, I really resent being told how to act, what to do and how to do it. I do not live in a rental so the strictish laws here do not apply. I bartended for 20 or so years so I now understand the actual bliss of people no longer smoking indoors. But now I go outdoors and have for forever. I wouldn't dream of smoking indoors anymore. But I really resent the application of threats and shit of people who happen to be watching me. I don't watch no one. What they do is what they do. I suck it up with any annoyance and don't give a shit. But I do. I live next to an ex smoker who was in the army and he has made it known that they keep their windows open at night and I tell him OK I will modify my behavior for you. But fuck that shit. I don't think he gets the meaning of what I am saying. If someone said that to me, I would say no no no, don't change, you have nothing to worry about.

I want to tell him to quit working out in his garage. He rattles the whole fucking complex when he drops his dead weights. A few months ago I saw him bring several rifles into his joint. I don't want to live next to that either. I am not intimidated in the least but I'm not going to bring it up. But I just like to go out and smoke and think. Also because I smoke I have saved this complex from at least two robberies just by having a reason for being outside in the middle of the night.

But my behavior has been modified all the while being polite. I just wonder where it comes from.

Does anyone have a similar behavior modification story?

[Elvis]

82, since I last saw you, I quit smoking!

Early this year I had a lung cancer "scare" (mostly doctors anxious and determined to make a cancer diagnosis). Long story short, no cancer but my lungs hurt so I bought a vape device and haven't smoked any tobacco for many months. I can breathe better and stuff.

I never thought I could quit tobacco, but the vape device made it easy. I'm still addicted to nicotine, of course, via the vape, but no tars, baby.

Just throwing that out there. No pressure.

[Pele'sDaughter]

I've only come to the thread to post how freaking perverse it is that these virulant anti-smoking folks NEVER EVER mention the emission from vehicles or the rain of jet fuel particulates or any number of other threatening pollutants. Nope, only personal smoking and, of course, this is because 1) lack of awareness about environmental pollutants and 2) they get a response out of an individual and maybe even get them to "modify" their behavior which they can't do with most other aspects of their miserable lives.

[thrulookingglass]

I think you should quit of course...thinking that is. It leads to some horribly nasty conclusions. Pro-lifers supporting war and the death penalty. Being anti-abortion doesn't make you pro-life, it just makes you a hypocrite. Believing in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. Wearing a Kippah doesn't make you Jewish. If men required abortions they'd be available at a drive through with a side of fries and ESPN Sportcenter while you wait. Aren't all these things human constructs anyhow? Ben Carson holds a sign that says 'Christian', has he given all his belongings to the poor? All his love to God? I might believe that because he sure doesn't give a shit about the homeless in this country, or anywhere else. Tolerance. I'm still at odds with my parents because I smoke cannabis. I'm 46 and its legal in this state. They're free to stuff as many high density farm, anti-biotic laced, Monsanto corn fed beef carcass burgers into their faces. When I tell them that their failing health may be a result of your constant low end meat consumption I'm being 'overly judgmental' or simply wrong. Listening to reason is important. There's a scene in Mad Men where 'niece" Stephanie says something like, its hard for us to admit faults in ourselves, but everyone else can see it right away. All fire ads toxins to our atmosphere, volcanoes as well. Purity supreme is a strange dream. What shall poison me but me? A wicked and cruel world that all of us must suffer through. Zarathustra says seek a life that is beneficial. Spirituality ain't religion. All were meant to teach purpose, from Khemet, to Judaism, to Islam, though they show their limit being drawn forth from humanity ability to understand themselves. To masturbate, to defile oneself. Its amazing, being a soldier for a king will make you a hero. Agitating your 'naughty bits' to orgasm, well, I hope you like fire scarecrow. Murder is wrong, though drowning a whole planet of worthless heathens in spite save for eight, well you must be a noble God in that hour. There are many discrete ways to consume cannabis now, from a patch, to small tongue strips like acid, to cookies, brownies, gummies, but I still prefer the old water pipe. Am I harming myself? No one here gets out alive.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Glass houses for the Lord's children...a bad place to throw stones. Its damn near impossible, all we do is judge. Our judgments do not have to become nooses though, to be perturbed by someone's behavior is one thing, to take violent action against it is another.

By the way, doesn't appointing you son as messiah seem a little like Kushner Christ? 666 5th Ave. Kings suck. I remain now and forever an anarcho-syndicalist.

[minime]

I recently have come up against some neighbors who are bitching about me smoking over a group email CC thing. I have totally cut way down by the way. However, I really resent being told how to act, what to do and how to do it. I do not live in a rental so the strictish laws here do not apply. I bartended for 20 or so years so I now understand the actual bliss of people no longer smoking indoors. But now I go outdoors and have for forever. I wouldn't dream of smoking indoors anymore. But I really resent the application of threats and shit of people who happen to be watching me. I don't watch no one. What they do is what they do. I suck it up with any annoyance and don't give a shit. But I do. I live next to an ex smoker who was in the army and he has made it known that they keep their windows open at night and I tell him OK I will modify my behavior for you. But fuck that shit. I don't think he gets the meaning of what I am saying. If someone said that to me, I would say no no no, don't change, you have nothing to worry about.

Bizarre.

[Karmamatterz]

've only come to the thread to post how freaking perverse it is that these virulant anti-smoking folks NEVER EVER mention the emission from vehicles or the rain of jet fuel particulates or any number of other threatening pollutants. Nope, only personal smoking and, of course, this is because 1) lack of awareness about environmental pollutants and 2) they get a response out of an individual and maybe even get them to "modify" their behavior which they can't do with most other aspects of their miserable lives.

How appropriate to have this thread in the same screen scroll as the Texas shootings AND mushrooms.

It's all about control.

People want to control others. Many people who want to control others and tell them how to live barely have a semblance of control over themselves. Lacking emotional, mental and physical control they become addicted to whatever toxins or behaviors that feed their brain more dopamine. If it weren't for the fact that these mass shootings are tragic in the death of innocents it could be comical to read the frothy posts calling for more and more control of us people by the government. As one other poster already wrote, you want the government which you distrust to get more control over all of us?

The cognitive dissonance is so ripe it's becoming smelly.

Now where is the baggie of shrooms.....?

[DrEvil]

^^Why yes, people who don't want their children gunned down in a Walmart are obviously emotionally stunted and probably drug addicts to boot.

[Karmamatterz]

Says the guy who advocates vicious murder of those he disagrees with.

I am looking forward to the deniers being dragged through the streets and lynched though. I hope they livestream it.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41764#page-body

By the way mods, how is it that a post like that goes unnoticed without any kind of public reply indicating that lynching and murder are perhaps something FASCIST that shouldn't be promoted on this board? And please, don't anybody even try to rationalize it as being a f*cking joke.

[Elvis]

The people in the 'climate denial' organizations who are maliciously suing climate scientists just to ruin their lives and stop climate research (because they know where it's going) probably should be dragged through the streets and lynched. Some behaviors should be "modified."


Moderators don't read every thread, and, thankfully, no one reported DrEvil's remarks.

[coffin_dodger]

Elvis said:

The people in the 'climate denial' organizations who are maliciously suing climate scientists just to ruin their lives and stop climate research (because they know where it's going) probably should be dragged through the streets and lynched.

Definition: Lynching is a premeditated extrajudicial killing by a group. It is most often used to characterize informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged transgressor, convicted transgressor, or to intimidate a group. It can also be an extreme form of informal group social control, and it is often conducted with the display of a public spectacle for maximum intimidation.

This is the sort of psychopathy that many parts of the rest of the world (non five eyes) expectantly await coming to fruition in the USA. It's the only way The Empire can collapse - by tearing itself into ever diminishing pieces of societal special-interest groups, at war with one another. Get your lynching pitchforks ready, boys - you got some climate-denier blood to spill YEE-HAW THEY BE NAZIS and the only good nazi is a dead nazi YEE HAW we gonna have ourselves some fun

It'll make for good TV, too

[DrEvil]

Says the guy who advocates vicious murder of those he disagrees with.

I am looking forward to the deniers being dragged through the streets and lynched though. I hope they livestream it.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41764#page-body

By the way mods, how is it that a post like that goes unnoticed without any kind of public reply indicating that lynching and murder are perhaps something FASCIST that shouldn't be promoted on this board? And please, don't anybody even try to rationalize it as being a f*cking joke.

Well, it was. I thought the "I hope they livestream it" part was snarky enough for people to get that. Apparently not. I wouldn't be upset if somebody gave them a black eye though. We are after all talking about people who have willingly suppressed and spread disinformation about an existential threat to humanity for decades. I rate them about as highly as Nazis.

[82_28]

Says the guy who advocates vicious murder of those he disagrees with.

I am looking forward to the deniers being dragged through the streets and lynched though. I hope they livestream it.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41764#page-body

By the way mods, how is it that a post like that goes unnoticed without any kind of public reply indicating that lynching and murder are perhaps something FASCIST that shouldn't be promoted on this board? And please, don't anybody even try to rationalize it as being a f*cking joke.

Well, it was. I thought the "I hope they livestream it" part was snarky enough for people to get that. Apparently not. I wouldn't be upset if somebody gave them a black eye though. We are after all talking about people who have willingly suppressed and spread disinformation about an existential threat to humanity for decades. I rate them about as highly as Nazis.

Had I seen that at the time of posting I think I maybe would have taken it as tongue in cheek as they say and given a warning. Were it racial, gender biased, orientation based, I would have flagged it. But yes, in bad form, but I have a long memory and I don't think he/she meant it as it came out as a full on fantasy of such a thing. I would prefer however to not have that kind of talk in and around here. So yeah, please don't do that again. Also to echo, Elvis, us "pseudo mods" can't keep up with every single comment. This is an antiquated system as we know, not to blame it for anything wrong and also we're talking on some guy in Toronto's dime but it is hard to keep up with everything and it really isn't that much any more.

[Spook]

Live and let live. Fuck the neighbour.
Everyone needs some sort of vice, or what's the point of this fleeting existence?
If it gives you peace then who's hurting whom?
I gave up 20 years ago.
It was the right thing to do after my first born guilted to me to hell with those words "Are we going out for a cig-rette Daddy".
No one quits until they want to.
At that moment I wanted to "bad".
There are lots of reasons to want to.
Some want to smoke.
Some want to workout.
Some want to drop those weights
So live and let live, and fuck your neighbour.

[Elvis]

should be dragged through the streets and lynched.

After a fair trial of course. It might be more apt to burn them at stake.

[Elvis]

The psychos are the mercenaries who delight in—and accept payment for—destroying other people's lives and suppressing research. They are paid by the fossil fuel industry.

Because those dastardly scientists must be stopped—they use big, strange words in the gibberish titles of their made-up research papers, just to make you feel small.